icr2-Long Beach

Has any corrected the hairpin turn at Long Beach? thanks

I think the hairpin is correct, but that turn-7/8 (just prior to) are off. > Has any corrected the hairpin turn at Long Beach? > thanks -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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> I think the hairpin is correct, but that turn-7/8 (just prior to) > are off. > -- > Marc J. Nelson > The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com > * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Actually, the hairpin is in reality a U-turn on Shoreline Dr. Shoreline is a divided road with a center median about a car length wide. This median separates pit row from the front straight. In ICR1/2, the inside of the hairpin can fit 2+ cars lengthwise, which is much too big. The track will be even more outdated since 1999 will see a reconfiguration near the Aquarium of the Pacific... -- _ , ,----, ______________ _._ .___(_)|\=-n---_._\____| ____________ _./ _ \"-,---------,--/ _ \// Kevin Lee ,-=,( (_) ) | HONDA | ( (_) ) Go Zanardi #1! '---'-\___/--'---------'--\___/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Actually, the hairpin is in reality a U-turn on Shoreline Dr. Shoreline is > a divided road with a center median about a car length wide. This median > separates pit row from the front straight. You're correct about the turn and the median it circles. However, the width of the median at this section is only about 3-or 4 feet, and (as memory serves) widens only after the turn-in for Shoreline Village (just wide enough for a palm). Another item I forgot about is that the elevation changes a bit, and the front straight is actually higher than the pit row surface. If the track is this wide here, than it is way off. Making a left instead of the usual right! I was sad to watch crews cementing the new curbs and walks at turn-1 (my office only a couple blocks away), and knew the track was history. This only 3-days after the GP. I can't wait to see next year's event though! =) Cheers! Marc -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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>> <BR> >> Actually, the hairpin is in reality a U-turn on Shoreline Dr. Shoreline >is<BR> >> a divided road with a center median about a car length wide. This >median<BR> >> separates pit row from the front straight.<BR> ><BR> >You're correct about the turn and the median it circles. However,<BR> >the width of the median at this section is only about 3-or 4 feet,<BR> >and (as memory serves) widens only after the turn-in for Shoreline<BR> >Village (just wide enough for a palm).<BR> ><BR> >Another item I forgot about is that the elevation changes a bit, and<BR> >the front straight is actually higher than the pit row surface.<BR> ><BR> >> In ICR1/2, the inside of the<BR> >> hairpin can fit 2+ cars lengthwise, which is much too big.<BR> ><BR> >If the track is this wide here, than it is way off.<BR> ><BR> >> The track will<BR> >> be even more outdated since 1999 will see a reconfiguration near the<BR> >> Aquarium of the Pacific...<BR> ><BR> >Making a left instead of the usual right! I was sad to watch crews<BR> >cementing the new curbs and walks at turn-1 (my office only a couple<BR> >blocks away), and knew the track was history. This only 3-days after<BR> >the GP. I can't wait to see next year's event though! =)<BR> ><BR> ><BR> >Cheers!<BR> ><BR> >Marc<BR> ><BR> >-- <BR> >Marc J. Nelson<BR> >The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com<BR> ><BR> >* No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *<BR> ></HTML>

I saw the track diagram in my ticket package for next year. My favorite spectating area is history! (Turns 1-2-3) Marc, can you tell from the construction if they are running the course in front of the aquarium or around behind it? There's gonna be some pissed off fishies that weekend! -don "To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caricciola

> Marc, can you tell from the construction if they are running the course in > front of the aquarium or around behind it? As far as I can remember (from the LB Chamber yackity-yack), the track will turn left to go in front of the aquarium, around the lagoon in a wide right circle, come-back behind the PA building, and rejoin the track at turn 4. Subtract about 150 yards from the old layout, but add a huge chunk from turn 1 to 4, making it about 2 miles total. The aquarium plays a recording of CART engines for a full week prior to the event, increasing the volume each day to about half of what a normal car would sound...all to get the creatures used to hearing the cars come race day. Odd to hear these screaming engines when no one's even about! Cheers! Marc -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

I think if the ICR2 hairpin was correct, it would make Long Beach even more exciting to race at than it already is. Personally, I would modify it myself, but I don' t yet understand the trk. file. Krisstian

The newest issue of Racer Magazine has the layout of the new track in it. It looks to be slower, and has an awful kink right about where the aquarium is. Why couldn't they keep the old track? -- Busch Carpentry Plans? ---------------- Busch Motorsports Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward

> It's just the nature of street courses, if the city changes, so must the track. > I'm just thankful they still run the thing. I've been to every one and I'm > looking forward to the 25th anniversary next year! Well put...I can't wait! =) Cheers! Marc -- Marc J. Nelson The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

It's just the nature of street courses, if the city changes, so must the track. I'm just thankful they still run the thing. I've been to every one and I'm looking forward to the 25th anniversary next year! -don "To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caricciola