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CeleRon FAQ......Read....Part2

2 posts by 2 people · 21 Oct 1998 - 21 Oct 1998

Chatham 21 Oct 1998#429257
What if it doesn't work? There are many things that can be done to coax a stubborn CPU into working. I'll try to mention as many as I can here. Above all, don't give up until you have exhausted all of your options. Some of the things you can try are free or low cost, while others may require replacing some expensive components. Whenever possible, try to eliminate the cheaper options first. Then, if you suspect you may need to buy a new DIMM or video card, try to borrow one from a friend first or try your CPU in another, successfully overclocked system. Remember, it might not be the CPU at all, but something else in your system that's giving you problems. Heat As mentioned in the section on cooling, heat build-up is one of the most common problems. It manifests itself usually after several minutes to an hour after start up, especially when running CPU intensive applications. If you system won't POST (Power On Self-Test), heat is probably not one of your problems. 1. Try leaving the case open with a table fan blowing into the case. If the system stays up longer or seems more stable with the table fan and open case, try some of the cooling methods mentioned above. 2. Check the temperature of the CPU (front and back sides) and your video card by gently placing your finger on the heatsink. Be gentle and only touch the heatsink while your system is running. If it's too hot to leave your finger in place, you definitely have a heat problem. 3. If the heatsink is applied with thermal tape, try removing it (be sure to get all of the tape off) and using some thermal grease and/or a better HS and fan. [If you have a retail Celeron that came with an Intel fan, I'd save this for last since many, many people have used this fan without problems. Lately though, I have seen cases reported where changing the HS/fan did help a retail C300A. It may be that the thermal tape does not provide enough heat transfer to the heatsink. You could try just replacing the thermal tape with good old thermal grease and reinstalling the same Intel HS/fan setup.] Burn-in There have been many reports of what is being called "burn-in effect". After running the CPU at an elevated voltage or even at the normal voltage while "exercising" the CPU (cycling CPU intensive applications), the processor somehow becomes more likely to run at the desired speed. The time required varies and it doesn't always work, but it's worth a try. If it doesn't run at 100 mHz bus, try 75 mHz or 83 mHz for a few days. Leave the computer on for several days straight. Give it a workout, then try it again at 100 mHz. [I have found some documentation (see web links below) on this effect in respect to audio components. The author suggested that it may have something to do with dopant stabilization and the dielectric properties fully forming in the tiny, in-circuit semi-conductor junctions, capacitors and other components.] Voltage Sometimes a little extra voltage is all that's required to encourage your recalcitrant CPU to straighten up and fly right. You can adjust the voltage quite easily with the BH6 SoftMenu. It's a little harder with the P2B but you can still do it. With the BH6 you can increase the voltage in small increments. Put your system through its paces after each step. If it still crashes, bump the voltage a little more. You can fry your CPU by increasing the voltage too much. Use some caution and common sense here. If voltage is your stumbling block, 2.2 volts usually does the trick, though some have required as much as 2.3 or more. The BH6 BIOS will not let you set the voltage higher than 2.3 volts without a special procedure (found on Andy Drake's site). All Slot 1 motherboards read the required CPU voltage through contacts on the SEPP (CPU board). By selectively blocking certain contacts, you can "tell" the P2B (or any motherboard) to raise the CPU voltage. Teflon tape is one of the best materials to use, however, some people have used nail polish (dry 24 hours before inserting the CPU) or other non-conducting varnish. You can even cut the trace, but this technique, while effective, is difficult to reverse (you need to re-solder over the cut). This procedure is fraught with pitfalls and, if done incorrectly, can jolt your CPU with 2.6 volts or more. Since I can't include pictures with this text document, I recommend examining a web site that illustrates and details this procedure, if possible (see the list of web resources at the end of this FAQ). Your choices are quite limited with this method, but if you have a P2B or other motherboard, it may be your only option. Notwithstanding those words of caution, here is the list of pins to cover to get the specified voltages. Cover up these pins to attain: 2.2v-- A121,A119,B119 (if A119 breaks through, you get 2.6!) 2.4v-- A121,A120,B119 (if A120 breaks through, you get 2.6!) 2.6v-- A121,B119 (not recommended) 2.8v-- A121,A119,A120 (don't even try it) Heat production increases when you increase voltage, so don't forget about needing more than ordinary cooling if you need to raise the voltage. One note of encouragement, there have been many reports of users being able to revert back to the normal 2.0 volts after a few days and still maintaining stability (see the section on "burn-in" above). Drivers and Peripherals Try different versions of drivers. Try new video drivers, try old video drivers, try Direct X 5.0 and 6.0. Remove all your cards except the video card. Disconnect the harddrive and boot from a floppy. If you have two DIMMS, try with each one individually. Borrow better, or at least different RAM. Borrow or use an old video card. Overclocking pushes your whole system to the edge. There is no predicting what device may be extra sensitive to slight timing errors, data errors or excess heat. Many of the new video cards, especially the AGP cards run very, very hot. Be sure that video chip overheating is not what is keeping you from your desired speed. [My G200 AGP card has hit 145 F when I forgot to turn on my extra fans. You can mount an old 486 fan on its heatsink for added insurance.] If you find a card, harddrive or device that's keeping you from running at 100 mHz, you'll need to replace it. BIOS Try getting it to run after disabling the L2 cache in the C300A (L2 should be disabled anyway for the C266 and C300 which have no L2 cache). Set memory delay settings to higher values. Be sure the AGP setting (Abit motherboards only) is at 2/3. Set harddrive mode to PIO 4 or 3. [This is an area I hope to receive comments on from other experienced Celeron users. How about it?] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Will it damage my CPU or other components? There are a number of things that could happen to your system through overclocking but, with a little common sense, you can remove most of the risk. Heat is the primary concern. The CPU is the system component that is most likely to suffer from excess heat. Higher clock speeds and/or higher voltage create more heat. Extreme heat can literally fry the CPU. Keeping the voltage as close as possible to the default of 2.0 volts and using a quality heatsink and fan will keep the CPU temperature within reasonable limits. Long term effects of higher current produced by faster clock speeds can have more subtle effects. A process called electro-migration can slowly erode the microscopic circuits inside the CPU--causing the traces to spread and the semi-conductor junctions to break down--until the CPU eventually fails. This is a very slow process and it takes years. A modern CPU has a design life of 10 to 15 years. While the life of your overclocked CPU may be somewhat shortened, do you really expect to be using your current 300 mHz processor, even overclocked to 450 mHz, in even as little as 5 years? By then we'll all be overclocking 1000 mHz (giga-Hz) CPU's. Since BX motherboards like the BH6 and P2B are designed for a 100 mHz bus speed, you are not likely to hurt the mainboard with speeds up to 100 mHz. The other components, however, can be negatively affected by bus speeds other than the standard speeds of 66 or 100 mHz. At all other speeds the PCI and AGP clocks are higher than normal (see the table below). Besides the obvious effects of increased heat generation, some peripheral devices are especially sensitive to timing problems when the PCI bus is over clocked. Some harddrives will trash your data if the PCI bus is clocked too high . FSB PCI FSB Ratio AGP FSB Ratio 66 mHz 33 mHz 2 to 1 66 mHz 1 to 1 75 mHz 37.5 mHz 2 to 1 75 mHz 1 to 1 83 mHz 41.5 mHz 2 to 1 83 mHz 1 to 1 100 mHz 33.3 mHz 3 to 1 66 mHz 3 to 2 112 mHz 37.3 mHz 3 to 1 74.6 mHz 3 to 2 124 mHz 41.3 mHz 3 to 1 82.6 mHz 3 to 2 P2B 133 mHz 44.3 mHz 3 to 1 88.6 mHz 3 to 2 BH6 133 mHz 33 mHz 4 to 1 88.6 mHz 3 to 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Where can I learn more? There is an almost inexhaustible supply of information available on the Internet. Web pages are an invaluable source of additional FAQ's, reviews and hardware specifics. Any of several Newsgroups and Forums can provide feedback and answers to specific questions. Below I have categorized some of the more popular and informative resources that deal with overclocking. This FAQ is only meant to be an introduction to your overclocking experience. If you still have problems overclocking after following this FAQ, you may find additional suggestions and ideas at many of the following sites. Newsgroups ------------------ alt.comp.hardware.overclocking alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit comp.sys.intel intel.microprocessors.celeron ... read more »
Vampy 21 Oct 1998#429258
Yeah.. whatever... read my other post.. to you!

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