Any news on N3?

....Or Nascar 2000, or whatever they're calling it now. It seems to have died off for the most part. Did Papy forget how successful the new physics engine is already, and lose interest in applying it to other racing league games?

> ....Or Nascar 2000, or whatever they're calling it now. It seems to have > died off for the most part. Did Papy forget how successful the new physics > engine is already, and lose interest in applying it to other racing league > games? Sadly, we may never see N3 due to the current triage of IT resources towards date-handling problems in software and embedded systems worldwide. The sheer scope of the Year 2000 problem is so systemic in nature that it has now come down to what systems are most important to our survival infrastructure, and we still don't stand a chance with them. Coding simulations, OTOH, will take a seat on the back burner until it is clear that civilization as we know it will not collapse. Again, it is highly unlikely that enough will get fixed in time to avert a worldwide catastrophe as "hurried code" tends to be a bit unreliable. Regards, Rick ===================================================== "all bombs have a clock. This bomb IS a clock" -jstout

Yes, I forgot... According to Rick, Nascar Racing 2000 will never happen, because of the Whytwokay problem and government requesting computer programmers to help them. Martial Law Rick ? hehe. I won't comment more on this ;-) p.s.: Be advised, if you want to start those threads about y2k Gents, do it in appropriate newsgroups. - Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> Good race at the Brickyard! - Official Mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. - Excuse me for my English (I'm French speaking) - Sponsored by http://www.awpss.com/ on the NROS - "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."--

> According to Rick, Nascar Racing 2000 will never happen, because of the > Whytwokay problem and government requesting computer programmers to help > them. Martial Law Rick ? hehe. Ironically you ask about martial law when your own Canadian military is openly preparing to mobilize itself as a _direct response_ to civil unrest scheduled to occur (on time) as a result of your entire country collapsing into anarchy and mayhem from downed automated systems on 010100. I hope those military-issue wool blankets keep you warm and cozy in that refrigerator-of-a-country you live in. As for the US (Papy land), see executive order #11000. It clearly states how the US government may draft _any_ labor pool it sees fit to help diffuse a crisis situation under the Emergency Powers Act. Many of our grandmothers were shipyard welders during WWII and are credited with protecting our freedom, for example. At this 'early' [sic] stage, programmers are our freedom fighters inasmuch as the early shipyard welders, only there are who few realize this as of today. Many programmers are currently displaced in our free capitalistic society in cushy, lucrative positions coding non-essential products of which, Nascar3 (or Nascar 2000) as being one of them. Our US government is already experiencing a severe IT personnel shortage and even cases of "profiteering" by such. The only inevitable thing left for them to do is draft the resources they need to prevent their daunting year 2000 'schedules' [sic] from slipping into mass panic mode. Look moron, if you want to present a different viewpoint contrary to mine, feel free to do so. But don't waltz in here to tell me it is off-topic. Year 2000 issues in relation to _every_ programming house in the world is woefully on-topic. It's just you are so helplessly out of touch with reality to realize it yet. BTW, judging by your prior posts, it shows you could use a heavy dose of your own medicine. Rick - who *was* looking very forward to seeing Nascar 2000. ============================================================== "Such interruptions could prevent the company from being able to manufacture and deliver refined products and chemicals products to customers. The company could also face interruptions in its ability to produce crude oil and natural gas." http://sec.yahoo.com/e/l/c/chv.html

Huh??? Brian

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>> According to Rick, Nascar Racing 2000 will never happen, because of the >> Whytwokay problem and government requesting computer programmers to help >> them. Martial Law Rick ? hehe. >Ironically you ask about martial law when your own Canadian military is >openly preparing to mobilize itself as a _direct response_ to civil >unrest scheduled to occur (on time) as a result of your entire country >collapsing into anarchy and mayhem from downed automated systems on >010100. I hope those military-issue wool blankets keep you warm and >cozy in that refrigerator-of-a-country you live in. >As for the US (Papy land), see executive order #11000. It clearly >states how the US government may draft _any_ labor pool it sees fit to >help diffuse a crisis situation under the Emergency Powers Act. Many of >our grandmothers were shipyard welders during WWII and are credited with >protecting our freedom, for example. >At this 'early' [sic] stage, programmers are our freedom fighters >inasmuch as the early shipyard welders, only there are who few realize >this as of today. Many programmers are currently displaced in our free >capitalistic society in cushy, lucrative positions coding non-essential >products of which, Nascar3 (or Nascar 2000) as being one of them. >Our US government is already experiencing a severe IT personnel shortage >and even cases of "profiteering" by such. The only inevitable thing >left for them to do is draft the resources they need to prevent their >daunting year 2000 'schedules' [sic] from slipping into mass panic mode. >> I won't comment more on this ;-) >> p.s.: Be advised, if you want to start those threads about y2k Gents, do

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>> in appropriate newsgroups. >Look moron, if you want to present a different viewpoint contrary to >mine, feel free to do so. But don't waltz in here to tell me it is >off-topic. Year 2000 issues in relation to _every_ programming house in >the world is woefully on-topic. It's just you are so helplessly out of >touch with reality to realize it yet. >BTW, judging by your prior posts, it shows you could use a heavy dose of >your own medicine. >Rick - who *was* looking very forward to seeing Nascar 2000. >============================================================== >"Such interruptions could prevent the company from being able to >manufacture and deliver refined products and chemicals products to >customers. The company could also face interruptions in its ability to >produce crude oil and natural gas." >http://sec.yahoo.com/e/l/c/chv.html

Damn! Where's my copy of the "GENERIC FLAME FORM" when I need it? Could it be time for "ymenard_the_terminator" to show up? As Peter Cushing said, "You may fire when ready." <snip> Todd

>Look moron... Off topic AND impolite, dearie me. Given that this is an auto-sim group, unless people will be unable to play GPL on Jan 1st 2000 you're unlikely to see a mass swelling of empathetic opinion. Anyway, programmers as "freedom fighters"? Purleeeze! If they'd coded it right in the first place we wouldn't HAVE a Y2K problem. Cheers! John

> Off topic AND impolite, dearie me. > Given that this is an auto-sim group, unless people will be unable to > play GPL on Jan 1st 2000 you're unlikely to see a mass swelling of > empathetic opinion. Can you play GPL without power? Don't blame the programmers. In the early 70's Bemer (a COBOL man) tried hard to convice the Dept. of Defense to adopt the four digit year field as standard. It was shot down on the basis of "memory being too expensive". Computer programmers are the only one's who could have saved our automated infrastructure in which our liberties depend on. Repairing date fields requires *years* to fix and test in complicated systems. It flew over everyone's heads. It's too late. Don't take Nascar 99 for granted! Rick (it's pronounced "Rick") ========================================================= "Simply put, no major industry can really fix their problems until the power is on consistently, but they only have a limited time before water and sanitation problems make that impossible." http://year2000.dci.com/articles/1998/10/21russia.htm

Ya know, I really didn't intend to start the war early. Y2K Doesn't scare me that much anyway. The government has shut down before without it affecting my life(remember the ballanced budget party?). I was just wondering about N3.

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>>Look moron... >Off topic AND impolite, dearie me. >Given that this is an auto-sim group, unless people will be unable to >play GPL on Jan 1st 2000 you're unlikely to see a mass swelling of >empathetic opinion. Anyway, programmers as "freedom fighters"? >Purleeeze! If they'd coded it right in the first place we wouldn't >HAVE a Y2K problem. >Cheers! >John

> Ya know, I really didn't intend to start the war early. You didn't start anything. It's just that some unmitigated idiots can't keep their traps shut. <g> Ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Please don't take offense but this is exactly why so many clueless people will die! But yeah, I remember the "balanced budget party" - they let a few non-essential people off for a while. During this time, medicare patients, welfare mothers, and vets still got their checks. The IRS continued their audits. The military never left their posts. Now, imagine a *permanent* shut down of the above services along with power, telecommunications, food distribution, water/sewerage, hospitals, airports, transportation, etc... Now you know. Rick Nobody can force you to act prudently. But if TSHTF, please don't complain that you had no warning.

>It's just that some unmitigated idiots can't >keep their traps shut. <g> Pot, kettle, black.

>Computer programmers are the only one's who could have saved our >automated infrastructure in which our liberties depend on. Repairing >date fields requires *years* to fix and test in complicated systems. It >flew over everyone's heads. It's too late. I see the problem - you seem to have confused me with someone who cares. I get enough of this at work without worrying about GPL too. If I have no power I'm hardly likely to want to play GPL am I? The issue was not Y2K but your impolite way of telling everyone about it. No wonder nobody listened to Bemer if he tossed insults around as freely as you seem to. How else would it be pronounced (or is there a silent "p" somewhere that we should be aware of)? ;-) Cheers! John

>You didn't start anything. It's just that some unmitigated idiots can't >keep their traps shut. <g> Yes, we've noticed you seem to be having a problem accomplishing that. Hope springs eternal... Cheers! John

> Hope springs eternal... Kum-ba-ya.....my lord.......kum-ba-ya....... [everyone hold hands.......together now...........] Kum-ba-ya-....my lord....kum-ba-yaaaaaaaaa....... Oh, lord.......kum-ba-yaaaaaaaaaa......... Hey, look!! That fixed it! Rick ======================================================== "The Bank of England is said to inspire "low confidence". "This is doubly disappointing in that the booklets the Bank has taken upon itself to produce on financial sector readiness are excellent." http://reports.guardian.co.uk/articles/1998/11/12/32665.html

>Kum-ba-ya.....my lord.......kum-ba-ya....... >[everyone hold hands.......together now...........] >Kum-ba-ya-....my lord....kum-ba-yaaaaaaaaa....... >Oh, lord.......kum-ba-yaaaaaaaaaa......... >Hey, look!! That fixed it! No, but this will... <racks brain for suitable plonker-file entry sound effect...> Cheers! John

> Look moron, if you want to present a different viewpoint contrary to > mine, feel free to do so. But don't waltz in here to tell me it is > off-topic. Year 2000 issues in relation to _every_ programming house in > the world is woefully on-topic. It's just you are so helplessly out of > touch with reality to realize it yet. "contains forward-looking statements, which are based upon current expectations and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. There are a number of important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statements" ;) - Matt

>>Rick >>(it's pronounced "Rick") >How else would it be pronounced (or is there a silent "p" somewhere >that we should be aware of)? ;-) ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))) hena

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>> Y2K Doesn't scare >> me that much anyway. The government has shut down before without it >> affecting my life(remember the ballanced budget party?). >Ha ah ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Please don't take offense but this is >exactly why so many clueless people will die! >Now, imagine a *permanent* shut down of the above services along with

power, >telecommunications, food distribution, water/sewerage, hospitals, >airports, transportation, etc... Ya know, we lived without computers before. Only 35 years ago, if I remember right. There are plenty of us that remember how that worked. Our city's water system even works without power. It's called gravity feed. Many cities have this. Also, our water comes from untreated wells. We're pretty lucky that way. EVER HEAR OF FOOD AND WATER STORAGE, A BIG GAS CAN AND A HONDA GENERATOR? MY FAMILY WILL BE FINE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE EVEN HAVE EMERGENCY KITS FOR IF WE HAVE TO LEAVE TOWN FOR AWHILE. NO, Y2K DOESN'T SCARE ME.

> Ya know, we lived without computers before. Only 35 years ago, if I > remember right. There are plenty of us that remember how that worked. Well sir, we just spent the last 35 years feeding those dumb boxes our knowledge. We have become "dumb operators" of "knowledge boxes". Think of the millions of automated processes that make a pizza delivery possible. And what did you _need_ to know to ingest it? In a drunken stupor, you could do as well as someone (that doesn't exist) who knows every line of code and how to slaughter the animals [by hand] that went into filling your tummy for a night. Get my point? With hand-cranked lift stations? Hand written bills? Do you report a broken main on a 'walk-in basis'? Didn't think so. Oh yes. Oh yes, now you are talking my dear Watson. Hell, why didn't you just say so in the first place. I figured you were like the other 99.999% of the denial-head sheeple out there who will suffer a horrible death from rioting, looting, or starvation. Sounds like you are prepared. Good job! Now, you have a m*** obligation to save the lives of your family and friends who think "you are crazy" for preparing for this "non-event". Best of luck to you, and don't forget that the bank runs on deposits will begin in less than 30 working days. Rick ========================================================================= Y2K corporate failure rate predictions by Industry (Gartner Group): Level 1 (15%): Insurance, Investment services, Banking, Pharmaceuticals, Computer Manufacturing Level 2 (33%): Heavy Equipment, Aerospace, Medical Equipment, Software, Semiconductors, Telecom, Retail, Discrete Manufacturing, Publishing, Biotechnology, Consulting Level 3 (50%): Chemical Processing, Transportation, Power, Natural Gas, Water, Oil, Law Practices, Medical Practices, Construction, Transportation, Pulp & Paper, Ocean Shipping, Hospitality, Broadcast News, Television, Law Enforcement Level 4 (66%): Education, Health care, Government Agencies, Farming & Agriculture, Food processing, Construction, City & Town Municipal Services. [link lost in import]

> I see the problem - you seem to have confused me with someone who > cares. I get enough of this at work without worrying about GPL too. If > I have no power I'm hardly likely to want to play GPL am I? You mean if you have no power from your _current_ source? No. Get a photovoltaic/inverter/deep-cycle battery system for the scheduled power outages that will surely affect you. A system which may be had for less than US$3000.00 will propagate your GPL ***ion as long as there is sunlight. Think ahead, be prepared. If you read my original post, you will find my raising the issue with *no* insults whatsoever attached. I was rediculed, then I responded - end of story. Get over it. This shows a lot of maturity. Rick ========================================================= "61.5 percent will withdraw money from the bank,and 58.6 percent will purchase extra supplies in case of a shortage." [link lost in import]

>> Our city's water system even works without power. >With hand-cranked lift stations? Hand written bills? Do you report a >broken main on a 'walk-in basis'? Didn't think so. We have a true gravity feed system. The wells are higher elevation than the tanks, and the tanks are higher elevation than the communities. We're also small enough to do handwritten bills, and walking to the utility office to report a broken main would be just about as fast as the phone. Do people in big cities have no idea what life in a city under 50,000 is like? Did we forget the subject line of this thread?

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> Not only that but here's a stupid question... > If the water company's or whoever's computer does stop working on 01/01/00 > what's to prevent them from rebooting and setting the date back to 01/01/90 and > away we go? > NON EVENT! > The Y2K crisis has been created by computer programmers campaining for higher > wages.

Well, suddenly some insurance company's computer thinks, you're only 5 years old! OTOH, you really sound like a 5 year old believing in Santa Claus... ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

But when your bill for that copy of GPL you bought 100 years ago comes to a few million dollars?... Now you're talking heart attack. :) NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...

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> Not only that but here's a stupid question... > If the water company's or whoever's computer does stop working on 01/01/00 > what's to prevent them from rebooting and setting the date back to 01/01/90 and > away we go? > NON EVENT!

No, not a stupid question, just a false answer. This strategy will work fine in "island" systems that don't need the correct date. The systems we do need for bare survival are highly interconnected and *DO* need the correct date: a---> b--->c ---> d---> e If system 'a' turned back as you suggest, then the data stream turns to garbage in system 'b'. Garbage in = garbage out for systems 'c, d , e'. It was programmers who set up two digit years in date fields but did so at the request of moronic management who failed to stop the nonsense once the cost of RAM plummeted. Moronic management also lent it's deaf ears for the last **10 YEARS** to those few who saw this crisis coming. Go figure. You may die of dysentery after drinking untreated "city water" infected with human corpses and other human wastes which runoff into the water puddles which you drink from post-glitch. .......and another excerpt from Glen: Clogged, but not for that reason. Highways are shut down during martial law. You aren't going anywhere, Bud. Remember that 99.999% of the sheeple masses are in denial over the scope and severity of this coming crisis and think that preparations are not needed. VERY few will store fuel, period. Of those who will store fuel for generators, most will buy diesel fuel because it keeps longer and it's less volatile -not to mention that the larger, more reliable generators are diesel powered. Why will you need a car in the first place? The Blockbuster Video store will be closed. Where are you wanting to go? You should be home protecting your family from looters rioting over your hoarded supplies while the rest of the sheeple wander around in a dazed death-march mode and urban exodus. ...and rig it up a 150 amp alternator to recharge your deep-cycle batteries which power your GPL workstation. Rick ============================================== Wall Street Economist: "Y2K stock market crash coming, personal preparations needed now" From the TONY BROWN SHOW (RealVideo) http://carpenters.dynip.com:8080/y2k/tbshow.ram