GPL:Problems with antilock steering

When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in GPL. I have to turn wheel to right. Why? I have a Microsoft FF Wheel (which is absolutely incredible and accurate steering device) and GPL 02.00. Asko

This is one of those things that ruin sims for me...lack of feel!!But first Ill explain what happens.See,when you back loses more grip then your front tires the car will start to oversteer.Depending on the setup this can be easily controlled by either more throttle to send weight to the rears or if it happens a little quicker,reverse lock.With the coventry,I rarely ever lose my rear end and a very quick opposite lock will catch it for me since the car is set to understeer much more.Now the reason that turning the wheel into the turn catches a spin is that your completly losing grip at the front wheels and the car becomes balanced again.In a real race car you can feel this edge of grip for the front tires thru the steering wheel.When you fronts lose traction and start to slide the steering gets all light.In GPL you cant feel this very important effect and so you turn the wheel past the point of grip and the car starts to slide evenly,and catches the oversteer. Papyrus has added a tiny little effect to combat this lack of feel in the steering wheel.When you near the limits of traction in the front wheels,the steering wheel will start to shudder slightly.Many Many people have reported erratic behavior with theri steering wheel jumping from side to side.I have posted many many times that its signaling the edge of traction for the front wheels but nobody and I do mean nobody listens.To try it go around a turn where your sure your in a four wheel drift,then turn your steering completly into the turn.What youll notice is that at a certain point your steering wheel will stop shuddering. Skeeter On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:22:52 +0200, "Asko Kallonen"

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>When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems >that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite >thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand >corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn >steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in >GPL. I have to turn wheel to right. Why? I have a Microsoft FF Wheel (which >is absolutely incredible and accurate steering device) and GPL 02.00. >Asko

> When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems > that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite > thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand > corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn > steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in > GPL. Catching slides with opposite lock is fairly easy once you learn to give it power as you turn the wheel! Your instincts tell you to slow down, but if you let off the gas or hit the brakes, the car will spin. Dave Ewing

On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:22:52 +0200, "Asko Kallonen"

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>When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems >that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite >thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand >corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn >steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in >GPL. I have to turn wheel to right. Why? I have a Microsoft FF Wheel (which >is absolutely incredible and accurate steering device) and GPL 02.00.

What is GPL 02.00? Don't you have the full version? I can't really imagine the situation you are describing above. You describe that you are powersliding, and that the rear of the car is coming around (therefore the front has more grip). If you turn right (into the developing spin) the car will simply spin all the earlier, since you are increasing the grip imbalance between the front and the rear. (Or am I completely misunderstanding what you are doing?). If the rear of the car is sliding you need to steer _into_ the skid (as you described) to catch the car or, if the rear is too far gone to recover, you can dab the brakes to slow down the rear of the car and reduce the rotational momentum. That will lose a bit of time but hopefully keep you on the road and pointing the right way. At a point somewhere inbetween the above two is where a lift off the throttle can help to stabilise the rear and get it back in line, although if you have lost the rear through too rapid downshifting (and locked the wheels through inadequate speed at the wheel) then lifting off will make things worse. Cheers! John

Basically you are reducing the front tire grip by not steering onto the skid. This makes the front end slide with the rear. You may catch the slide but the whole car is now offline. Ineffect you are making a car go go from oversteer to a full slide. In some cases you will not recover and car will go into the weeds front end first. By doing this you may make it around the corner but its not the fastest way. I usually can catch a oversteering car by giving it more throttle, this will shift wieght to the rear of the car and make the front light inducing a touch of understeer. If the rear is out a lot you need to steer into the skid a bit to help things along. If you only steer into the skid the front tires will increase grip, because they are addressing the road with the tread not the sidewall and the rear will wnat to slid more. Dave

Once your rear end has passed the point of no return, as far as catching it by steering into the skid, there is a place where steering the other way really hard will let the front wheels open up enough that the front end can roll back under the skid. This can be done in real cars in the mud or wet, or on a dirt oval. If this is what is occuring to you, it sounds like you need to gain some sensitivity to your slides, and begin to correct earlier than you are. MM

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> When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems > that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite > thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand > corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn > steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in > GPL. I have to turn wheel to right. Why? I have a Microsoft FF Wheel (which > is absolutely incredible and accurate steering device) and GPL 02.00. > Asko

>On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:22:52 +0200, "Asko Kallonen" >>When I'm powersliding in corner (Lesmos , Monza, for example) , it seems >>that I can't correct the slide with anti lock but instead doing the opposite >>thing, the slide will be corrected. If I for example go to the right-hand >>corner and rear starts to slide to left , normally you 're supposed to turn >>steeringwheel to the left to correct a car. But that doesn't work for me in >>GPL. I have to turn wheel to right. Why? I have a Microsoft FF Wheel (which >>is absolutely incredible and accurate steering device) and GPL 02.00. >What is GPL 02.00? Don't you have the full version? >I can't really imagine the situation you are describing above <snip> He is not lying, and It certainly is there in the full version. Whether or not it's realistic, the effect is quite dramatic in GPL. You can recover from situations much worse than countersteer will control. To me it seems to work best combined with letting off the throttle or braking a bit. It seems kind of wierd though others have offered their explainations of why it should work. rob.