GPL: I feel bad

I wiped out Bruce McLaren last night - I went to pass him in turn 5 at the Glen. He turned in on me and we both skidded to the outside of the track. His car slammed straight into the ***end of the guardrail, next to the hay bales. It ended up atop the barrier minus its two front wheels and on fire. I finished up about 150m down the track near turn 6 with the right side of my car missing...! -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.bromley-fc.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

>I wiped out Bruce McLaren last night - I went to pass him in turn 5 at >the Glen. Haven't you got anything else to do - you don't NEED this much practice. Do some extra homework - you know it makes sense How about we test you on the highway code before qualifying - err better not that was a while ago now! Cheers Tony

I feel bad... for myself! I would've been dead, too, after an online race at (where else) Monza. On the opening lap I was in about 4th or 5th coming out of the second Lesmo. All was well, until the Eagle in front of me decided to do some lawnmowing (all 4 wheels off) on the right, just before the bridge. Just as I was almost past, he veered back onto the track and knocked me right into the left side of the bridge abutment at about 170 mph. OUCH! --Dave

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> > I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight. Ran into the back of him on the front > >stretch at Monza. He was doing about 170mph. I was at 190mph. Poor L. > >ended up rolling 17 times. Even though it's just a sim, it's amazing how > >guilty I felt. > I wiped out Bruce McLaren last night - I went to pass him in turn 5 at > the Glen. He turned in on me and we both skidded to the outside of the > track. His car slammed straight into the ***end of the guardrail, next > to the hay bales. It ended up atop the barrier minus its two front > wheels and on fire. I finished up about 150m down the track near turn 6 > with the right side of my car missing...! > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash > [link lost in import] > ICQ# 11257824 > 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

-- Dave Schwabe The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

You mean you killed Lorenzo a second time. He was killed ( for real ) in Monaco at the chicane after the tunnel near the port. Can't remember the year, 68/69 maybe. But I remember this; it was the first F1 race that I ever saw. Back in those days, F1 coverage was very limited here in Canada. Only once in a while, Wide World of Sports on some American channel, would show races other than "round and round" oval stock car/indy type of races. I got hooked on F1 from that day in Monaco ( for reasons other than Bandini's death ) and I remember Bandini's crash. Big fire and all. T'was not a pretty sight. Robert Hull, Qubec

The crashes in GPL are amazing to say the least. I cringe when my car crashes. What amazes me is after a horrific crash they can still manage to put their arm up at you! I too grew up in Canada and no one's crash compares to Gille's Villeneuve's at Zolder in 1982. It was a sad day for Canadians that May afternoon. But I feel that the crashes and the fact that car racing flirts with danger is what makes it so exciting. Think about how even in a sim when you push the edge you almost touch the wall or the wheels of another car, you r adrenaline is pumping, and your hands sweat. Like they say "Car racing will never be safe, but it can be safer".

*snip* I think it was 67 actually. Im not positive either but i think it was.

My God man, where'd you find this thread? I started it over two months ago. Sounds like somebody needs to clear out the spool on their news server. :) -- Bill Mette | "A person is smart. People are dumb." MCSNet, Chicago | - K MiB

Better keep an eye on him in future. I stuffed Jack Brabham into the fence in the first turn at the 'Ring the other day, and he got me back on the restart! Braking into the left hander after the second straight, I was peeking under Gurney and WHAMMO! Brabham flies into my rear, sending me flipping over the fence! I looked at the replay over and over from every view and......he just flat punted me; no braking at all! "Take that, you squirrelly yank!" Vengeful ***. Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

I've killed my fair share of the AI drivers in my time, however, to get their revenge, Surtees has killed me a number of times. Most recently at the 'Ring where he decided to park his car just over an absolutely flat-out blind crest. Favourite places for major AI/player deaths: Burnenville at Spa Antoniusbuche at the end of the long straight at the Ring The fast right hander with trees on the outside at Rouen (can't remember the name) - Michael

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> You mean you killed Lorenzo a second time. > He was killed ( for real ) in Monaco at the chicane after the tunnel near > the port. Can't remember the year, 68/69 maybe. But I remember this; it > was the first F1 race that I ever saw. Back in those days, F1 coverage was > very limited here in Canada. Only once in a while, Wide World of Sports on > some American channel, would show races other than "round and round" oval > stock car/indy type of races. > I got hooked on F1 from that day in Monaco ( for reasons other than > Bandini's death ) and I remember Bandini's crash. Big fire and all. T'was > not a pretty sight. > Robert > Hull, Qubec

Was in the '67 Monaco race. It was pretty much an awful incident from what I've read; his car turned upside down on the exit of the chicane, he was okay, not that bad a hit, really. Then it caught fire. No marshals were kitted to help him soon enough. People watching the race said that whenever there was not a car passing, they could hear him scream. To add to this, a helicopter from a TV company wanted to get a close look, and the wind from the rotors didn't help putting the fire out. Makes you feel lucky not to have to see such bizarre accidents in motorsports today. Matt -- ----------------------------------------- Matthew Knutsen "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons http://home.sol.no/~kareknut/simrace1.htm -----------------------------------------

Bandini was killed at Monaco in 1967, this was not the only driver to be burned alive and to death. In 1973 Roger Williams was killed at Zandvoort. It was only his second career race. His car too became inverted on a guard rail and caught fire. The marshals did not have fire extinguishers and stood around watching him burn to death. Francois Cervert was also killed later that same year at Watkins Glen. His car was going through the esse's and flipped over on a guard rail, it carried on along the guard rail for 200m or so. The guard rail acted like a knife. Jackie Stewart was so distraught over his teamates death that he took two more half hearted laps and promptly retired.

I kept a lot of articles from when all you Americans had GPL and us Europeans didn't and this was one of them. I just wanted stuff to read while I waited for it to be released :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk ICQ# 11257824 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Wait'll you see how guilty on-line racing is gonna make you. Especially when you start fielding E-Mails from the "dead" driver. |o) -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56 >> I killed Lorenzo Bandini tonight.

1967....the year of the sim. -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56

Yeah we Aussies tend to get a bit vindictive when we feel we have been hard done by... Makes for some interesting races.. <G> Cheers, Ron

You know, knowing this serves as a reminder to all of us...no matter how realistic a sim can get, no matter how much it draws you in...at the very, very heart of the matter...it is still a game. (Please no flames on this. Just hear me out.) I mean, I do believe that sim racing has the ability to become a sport, but it is still just a bunch of computer programming lying in your harddrive. We are fortunate that, despite how big a crash you have with a driver online, that you are both able to race again with no injury whatsoever (Well, maybe a bruised ego.) and at the end of the day, you're still able to sit down at the dinner table and eat with your family.

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>Bandini was killed at Monaco in 1967, this was not the only >driver to be burned alive and to death. In 1973 Roger >Williams was killed at Zandvoort. It was only his second >career race. His car too became inverted on a guard rail and >caught fire. The marshals did not have fire extinguishers >and stood around watching him burn to death. Francois >Cervert was also killed later that same year at Watkins >Glen. His car was going through the esse's and flipped over >on a guard rail, it carried on along the guard rail for 200m >or so. The guard rail acted like a knife. Jackie Stewart was >so distraught over his teamates death that he took two more >half hearted laps and promptly retired.

We choose to live with that danger Allan....however we don't need people like you constantly shoving it in our faces...thanks to you I have had to turn my "fire" off...I don't know when I'll regain enough courage to switch it back on...so please stop reminding us of the constant danger we GPL drivers face. |o) -- #33 Zandvoort 1.28.56

>(Please no flames on this. Just hear me out.) HAHAHAHA...very nice Travis.

My girlfriend, who gets a bit fed up with my time on this computer GPL'ing, has devised a clever new tactic. Wishing to add to the realism--she says--she stands by my desk with a plastic baseball bat. When I have an off, smash into a wall, fence, whatever, I have begun to get smacks upside the head. "Realism!" she cries. "Just like racing!" "CRACK!" "POWEE!!" I do believe she's beginning to enjoy this game more than me . . . David

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>You know, knowing this serves as a reminder to all of us...no matter how >realistic a sim can get, no matter how much it draws you in...at the >very, very heart of the matter...it is still a game. (Please no flames >on this. Just hear me out.) I mean, I do believe that sim racing has the >ability to become a sport, but it is still just a bunch of computer >programming lying in your harddrive. We are fortunate that, despite how >big a crash you have with a driver online, that you are both able to >race again with no injury whatsoever (Well, maybe a bruised ego.) and at >the end of the day, you're still able to sit down at the dinner table >and eat with your family.

Well that is a quick way to build some consitancy in your driving. tho when you stop crashing what is she gonna do then. ROFL.

Simulate the G-Forces for him ;-P Brian Short

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> > My girlfriend, who gets a bit fed up with my time on this computer > GPL'ing, > > has devised a clever new tactic. Wishing to add to the realism--she > > says--she stands by my desk with a plastic baseball bat. When I have an > > off, smash into a wall, fence, whatever, I have begun to get smacks > upside > > the head. > > "Realism!" she cries. "Just like racing!" "CRACK!" "POWEE!!" > > I do believe she's beginning to enjoy this game more than me . . . > > David > Well that is a quick way to build some consitancy in your driving. tho > when you stop crashing what is she gonna do then. ROFL.

> My girlfriend, who gets a bit fed up with my time on this computer GPL'ing, > has devised a clever new tactic. Wishing to add to the realism--she > says--she stands by my desk with a plastic baseball bat. When I have an > off, smash into a wall, fence, whatever, I have begun to get smacks upside > the head. Sounds like fun. But be sure you draw the line when she gets out the gasoline and a box of matches. Dave Ewing

Mailing off for the Nomex now . . . >> My girlfriend, who gets a bit fed up with my time on this computer GPL'ing, >> has devised a clever new tactic. Wishing to add to the realism--she >> says--she stands by my desk with a plastic baseball bat. When I have an >> off, smash into a wall, fence, whatever, I have begun to get smacks upside >> the head. >Sounds like fun. But be sure you draw the line when she gets out the >gasoline and a box of matches. >Dave Ewing

>> My girlfriend, who gets a bit fed up with my time on this computer >GPL'ing, >> has devised a clever new tactic. Wishing to add to the realism--she >> says--she stands by my desk with a plastic baseball bat. When I have an

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>> off, smash into a wall, fence, whatever, I have begun to get smacks >upside >> the head. >> "Realism!" she cries. "Just like racing!" "CRACK!" "POWEE!!" >> I do believe she's beginning to enjoy this game more than me . . . >> David >Well that is a quick way to build some consitancy in your driving.

tho >when you stop crashing what is she gonna do then. ROFL. Grab his ***and vibrate? ;o)

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> I feel bad... for myself! I would've been dead, too, after an online > race at (where else) Monza. On the opening lap I was in about 4th or 5th > coming out of the second Lesmo. All was well, until the Eagle in front > of me decided to do some lawnmowing (all 4 wheels off) on the right, > just before the bridge. Just as I was almost past, he veered back onto > the track and knocked me right into the left side of the bridge abutment > at about 170 mph. OUCH! > --Dave

I didn't realize Schumacher drove an Eagle, but I recognize the tactic!