GPL and the shakes...

Hi, Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. P2 - 450 Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but of course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of controller / game port problems. Thanks! Marc. -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 ****************************************************************************

Hello I have just bought the MS Sidewinder FF wheel. I have the slider fully linear, and in most setups I use 15% steering ratio. I get no shakes at all. After two days with this wheel I can match or better all my previous times (e.g. at Monza (lotus) 1m30.01, at the Glen (lotus) 1m06.95: nothing great I realise but I'm improving). I'm really pleased with my new wheel. My equipment is PII-350, 128 Mb, MSFF into SB AWE64. Tim Leighton >Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

Logitech Wingman Formula Ensoniq AudioPCI Linearity about 1mm from left 0% deadzone in dinput.dll Steering Ratio from 14:1 to 19:1 No shakes - the wheel does use pots, but has an A/D converter and some firmware smoothing that zaps the shakes, or what a Logitech software guy described to me as "the Parkinson driver". Steve B. remove "edy" from address for email

celery300a and thriller: Interact V3 wheel. with Sonic Impact sound card: moderate to *** shakes. with SB16: *** shakes. Alan.

Thrustmaster Formula 1 Pro (Nascar Pro in the US) attached to the PDPI ([link lost in import] - no shaking whatsoever at any settings... /Christer

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> Hi, > Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the > spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse > when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering > to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. > Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. > P2 - 450 > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking > These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but of > course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of > controller / game port problems. > Thanks! > Marc. > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 > ****************************************************************************

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Hi Marc, The key for me was installing an MX300 soundcard. Absolutely rock solid calibration now. I've heard similar from other MX300 owners btw. regards, Patrick >Hello >I have just bought the MS Sidewinder FF wheel. I have the slider fully >linear, and in most setups I use 15% steering ratio. I get no shakes at all. >After two days with this wheel I can match or better all my previous times >(e.g. at Monza (lotus) 1m30.01, at the Glen (lotus) 1m06.95: nothing great I >realise but I'm improving). I'm really pleased with my new wheel. My >equipment is PII-350, 128 Mb, MSFF into SB AWE64. >Tim Leighton

Thanks for the replies so far!! I should add that I also tried: Logitech Wingman Formula attached to SB PCI 128 - rock solid and... I am now on the 4th R4...supplied by Saitek...as we were sure that the first 3 from the store must have been part of some bad batch (but, no, they are all acting the same). Marc.

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>Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >P2 - 450 >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but

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>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >controller / game port problems. >Thanks! >Marc. >-- >***************************************************************************

* >Marc Collins >"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 >*************************************************************************** *

Original TSW (circa 1996) attached to PDPI L4 digital game card -> no shakes regardless of settings

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>Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >P2 - 450 >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but

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>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >controller / game port problems. >Thanks! >Marc. >-- >***************************************************************************

* >Marc Collins >"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 >*************************************************************************** *

What wheel are you using and what game port did you use before the MX300? What shakes, if any did you get before and they were eliminated by just changing the sound card? Thanks....especially for your F1RS and MGPRS2 sounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Marc.

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>Hi Marc, >The key for me was installing an MX300 soundcard. Absolutely rock solid >calibration now. >I've heard similar from other MX300 owners btw. >regards, >Patrick >>Hello >>I have just bought the MS Sidewinder FF wheel. I have the slider fully >>linear, and in most setups I use 15% steering ratio. I get no shakes at >all. >>After two days with this wheel I can match or better all my previous times >>(e.g. at Monza (lotus) 1m30.01, at the Glen (lotus) 1m06.95: nothing great >I >>realise but I'm improving). I'm really pleased with my new wheel. My >>equipment is PII-350, 128 Mb, MSFF into SB AWE64. >>Tim Leighton >>>Hi, >>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of

the >>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or >worse >>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the >steering >>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

If you look at my update, I forget to mention I tried a Logi with my PCI 128 set-up--it was rock solid. Marc.

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>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling >Logitech Wingman Formula >Ensoniq AudioPCI >Linearity about 1mm from left >0% deadzone in dinput.dll >Steering Ratio from 14:1 to 19:1 >No shakes - the wheel does use pots, but has an A/D converter and some

firmware >smoothing that zaps the shakes, or what a Logitech software guy described to me >as "the Parkinson driver". >Steve B. >remove "edy" from address for email

And did you use the wheel with a different game port before you got the PDPI? Which one and what was the result of the switch? Marc.

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>Thrustmaster Formula 1 Pro (Nascar Pro in the US) attached to the PDPI >([link lost in import] - no shaking whatsoever at any settings... >/Christer >> Hi, >> Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of

the >> spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >> when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering

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>> to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >> Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >> P2 - 450 >> Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >> Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >> Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >> These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but

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>> course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >> controller / game port problems. >> Thanks! >> Marc. >> --

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Ensonic(SB) PCI64 -&- SB Live Value TM Nas Pro 0 dead zone in dinput.dll w/ PCI64 - Minor shaking(in calibration & on pit road) w/ SBLV - Shaking eliminated completely (any setting)

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>Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >P2 - 450 >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking

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With R4 non-FF I had *** twitching at any setting. With the R4 FF, I have no twitching with any settings. No other changes.

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:06:26 -0500, "Marc Collins"

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>[snip] >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >[snip] >These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but of >course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >controller / game port problems.

I don't know whether there are large differences between the R4 and R4 FF wheel, but with the FF version I have absolutely no shaking. It calibrates at a range from 1 to 1024, and when you hold it still, it stays _absolutely_ in position, there is no change in the Control Panel screen. I have a PCI 128, too. However, I sometimes have problems with my pedals - they sometimes are awful shaking, but pressing and releasing it several times usually solves the problem. Perhaps a dust or potentiometer problem, I guess (I'm not sure whether the R4 FF pedals are digital or analogue). Daniel -- Daniel Lichtenberger, Vienna/Austria "If I ate spinach I'd be called spinach D"

My R4 on an SB128 PCI is fine.... I have had "the shakes" & I think I eliminated it by stepping back from DirectX 6.1 to Direct X 6.

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>Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >P2 - 450 >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but

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>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >controller / game port problems. >Thanks! >Marc. >-- >***************************************************************************

* >Marc Collins >"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 >*************************************************************************** *

I would love to know what you think changed that would make a difference. Were the DirectInput files changed...or do you think it might be something else? Why did you go back--other problems or to address the shakes? Thanks, Marc.

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>My R4 on an SB128 PCI is fine.... >I have had "the shakes" & I think I eliminated it by stepping back from >DirectX 6.1 to Direct X 6. >>Hi, >>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or

worse >>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering

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>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >>P2 - 450 >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but >of >>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >>controller / game port problems. >>Thanks! >>Marc. >>-- >>**************************************************************************

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I use my R4 in Mode 1, had the shakes (and bad dead zone) with direct input, but none with generic in GPL. -- Robin. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends Remove nospam from e-mail address to reply >Thanks for the replies so far!! >I should add that I also tried: >Logitech Wingman Formula attached to SB PCI 128 - rock solid >and... >I am now on the 4th R4...supplied by Saitek...as we were sure that the first >3 from the store must have been part of some bad batch (but, no, they are >all acting the same). >Marc. >>Hi, >>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >>P2 - 450 >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but >of >>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >>controller / game port problems. >>Thanks! >>Marc. >>-- >>************************************************************************** * >* >>Marc Collins >>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" >> General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 >>************************************************************************** * >*

I get almost no trembling with Diamond MX300, TM GP1 and CH Pro Pedals. Steering set to fully linear and 20:1. No deadzone as far as I can tell. Changing gameport or joystick driver doesn't seem to make much difference in my system. It could be, that the MX300 simply filters the joystick signal, but I can't notice any lag and my times have improved over those I got when using Diamond S90. >Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left.

Just out of interest, do you get any trembling or jittering when steering is set at its most responsive setting (12:1)? Marc

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>I get almost no trembling with Diamond MX300, TM GP1 and CH >Pro Pedals. Steering set to fully linear and 20:1. No deadzone >as far as I can tell. Changing gameport or joystick driver doesn't >seem to make much difference in my system. It could be, that the >MX300 simply filters the joystick signal, but I can't notice any lag >and my times have improved over those I got when using Diamond >S90.

Marc..... Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes! I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls! -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). SNIP!

: Ensonic(SB) PCI64 : -&- : SB Live Value : TM Nas Pro : 0 dead zone in dinput.dll : w/ PCI64 - Minor shaking(in calibration & on pit road) : w/ SBLV - Shaking eliminated completely (any setting) I've got a SB Live Value and I get pretty bad shaking on my wheel (F1 Sim Compact - I know, I know but I can't afford to replace it yet). I'm going to try buying a gameport to eliminate the shaking. I've replaced the wheel potentiometer and am about to replace the pedal slide pots. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

I am trying to figure out what to do...obviously. Are the game ports in modern sound cards (e.g., SB PCI 128 and Live!) that bad?? Is it just Creative Labs cards? The old reason for needing a dedicated game port--CPU too fast--is I assume not a factor in a card that was released after the P2 450's were on the market? Marc.

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>Marc..... >Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes! >I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a >PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls! >-- >All the best, >Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* >The Paddock - a legendary site.... ><http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> >>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or

worse >>when you drive). >SNIP!

folks- this sounds great and all as i have some pretty severe shakes and think they might be related to the fact that my car often spins out at seemingly random points under braking. i have a SB AWE64, celery300a o/c to 464, voodoo2, 128MB RAM, etc. i'm using a TM GP1 wheel and the CH pedals. Pot is brand new. does this with viper, too. seems better with the generic drivers. BUT $100 so i can plug in my wheel? c'mon.... don't they know i'm a student? so my question is whether anyone knows of/has a less expensive gamecard which might improve the situation... thanks, mark > Marc..... > Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes! > I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a > PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I do is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears up in summer. ICQ 3002944 The HotSeat http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~sf5j-rdyn/

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>Hi, >Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering >to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >P2 - 450 >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but

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>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >controller / game port problems. >Thanks! >Marc. >-- >***************************************************************************

* >Marc Collins >"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 >*************************************************************************** *

Please, please tell me what hardware you have. The two modes in GPL make no difference on my system. Do you get jittering in the Windows calibration screen? What version of the drivers for the R4 are you using? I need some details as I cannot find a single system that the R4 will work on properly... Thanks! >I use my R4 in Mode 1, had the shakes (and bad dead zone) with direct input,

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>but none with generic in GPL. >-- >Robin. >http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk >Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends >Remove nospam from e-mail address to reply >>Thanks for the replies so far!! >>I should add that I also tried: >>Logitech Wingman Formula attached to SB PCI 128 - rock solid >>and... >>I am now on the 4th R4...supplied by Saitek...as we were sure that the >first >>3 from the store must have been part of some bad batch (but, no, they are >>all acting the same). >>Marc. >>>Hi, >>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of

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>>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or >worse >>>when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the >steering >>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >>>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >>>P2 - 450 >>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >>>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >>>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but >>of >>>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >>>controller / game port problems. >>>Thanks! >>>Marc. >>>-- >>>*************************************************************************

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I definitely don't have a heat problem here...it is very warm and dry in the room. Marc. >I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I do >is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it >out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears up

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>in summer. >ICQ 3002944 >The HotSeat >[link lost in import: /~sf5j-rdyn/] >>Hi, >>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or

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>>to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. >>Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. >>P2 - 450 >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking >>Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking >>Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking >>These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but >of >>course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of >>controller / game port problems. >>Thanks! >>Marc. >>-- >>**************************************************************************

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I am not a student, but I agree with your sentiments completely! I cannot believe that a "high end" sound card could come with such a piece-of-*** game port. Lots of people want to attach at least a joystick to it!! Marc. >folks- >this sounds great and all as i have some pretty severe shakes and think they >might be related to the fact that my car often spins out at >seemingly random points under braking. i have a SB AWE64, celery300a o/c to 464,

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>voodoo2, 128MB RAM, etc. >i'm using a TM GP1 wheel and the CH pedals. Pot is brand new. >does this with viper, too. >seems better with the generic drivers. >BUT $100 so i can plug in my wheel? c'mon.... >don't they know i'm a student? >so my question is whether anyone knows of/has a less expensive gamecard

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>might improve the situation... >thanks, >mark >> Marc..... >> Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes! >> I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to

a >> PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls!

My arms were twitching so bad that the game was undrivable, I replaced my steering pot and all is better. No other game or the calibration screen could show that the pot was gone. But GPL is very sensitve i guess. -- Kevin Anderson ICQ # 6769389 >I definitely don't have a heat problem here...it is very warm and dry in the >room. >Marc. >>I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I >do >>is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths it >>out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears >up >>in summer. >>ICQ 3002944 >>The HotSeat >>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~sf5j-rdyn/ >>>Hi, >>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering

Celeron 300A o/c 450 64 meg ram Voodoo 1 Direct X 6.0 Soundblaster Live value (into which r4 is plugged) Lastest Drivers off Saitek site (as of 2 weeks ago - not sure of version no.) Mode 1 seperate axis. There is still absolutely ape jittering in the caliberation screen - although most of this disappears when you push the accelerator down slightly. This is the 2nd R4 I've had (the first snapped when I applied some swift oppositelock!!!! A flaw in the steering column or something I reckon, so I had to take it back) - the first one also had worse much more *** jitters then the second. My mate has a R4 force feedback and reckons its as smooth as can be, I think it may have optical pots like the Microsoft wheel. Could be worth your while taking back the R4 and getting a FF version if you're having no luck. -- Robin. http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk Nurburgring and Grand Prix Legends Remove nospam from e-mail address to reply >Please, please tell me what hardware you have. The two modes in GPL make no >difference on my system. Do you get jittering in the Windows calibration >screen? What version of the drivers for the R4 are you using? I need some >details as I cannot find a single system that the R4 will work on >properly... >Thanks!

With my Logitech Wingman Formula Force on USB, no shakes at all. The old Thrustmaster T2 on Aureal Vortex digital gameport (or analog mode), severe shaking. Keith.

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> Hi, > Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the > spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse > when you drive). I use a 1% deadzone, and for comparison, set the steering > to 14 and the slider almost all the way or all of the way to the left. > Please detail your equipment and results...I'll start the ball rolling. > P2 - 450 > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB PCI 128 - moderate shaking > Thrustmaster Nascar Pro attached to SB Live! - minor shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB PCI 128 - *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 1 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 2 attached to SB Live! - moderate to *** shaking > Saitek R4 Mode 3 attached to SB Live! - minor to moderate shaking > These results show up in all games and in the Control Panel screens...but of > course GPL gives the best visual feedback but is the least tolerant of > controller / game port problems. > Thanks! > Marc. > -- > **************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" > General John B. Sedgwick's last words, 1864 > ****************************************************************************

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I can clearly see the jittering with the R4 (worse) or my Nascar Pro on the Windows calibration screen. I can predict how much arm movement there will be from the calibration screen... Marc.

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>My arms were twitching so bad that the game was undrivable, I replaced my >steering pot and all is better. No other game or the calibration screen >could show that the pot was gone. But GPL is very sensitve i guess. >-- >Kevin Anderson >ICQ # 6769389 >>I definitely don't have a heat problem here...it is very warm and dry in >the >>room. >>Marc. >>>I get shakes, too, on my T2 (connected to Thrustmaster ACM card). What I >>do >>>is before a race is I heat the steering pot with a hair dryer. Smooths

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>>>out instantly but i need to reheat it between races. I hope this clears >>up >>>in summer. >>>ICQ 3002944 >>>The HotSeat >>>[link lost in import: /~sf5j-rdyn/] >>>>Hi, >>>>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of >the >>>>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering

All with an Aureal Vortex A3D card, here are my findings :- Thrustmaster F1 Severe shaking Microsoft Sidewinder standard joystick mild shaking Microsoft Force feedback wheel No shaking (except in corners when losing grip ) All shown in GPL, MGPRS2, GP2 and in windows game contollers, with and without Poll with interrupts and on both of the Gameport settings available with the Vortex. Voodoo 2, Win 98 (was 95) BTW, with the TM Formula 1, I had to recalibrate after about half hour of use, when the soundcard warmed up it was ok, strange. -- Ian Parker ICQ 21772592 >With my Logitech Wingman Formula Force on USB, no shakes at all. The old >Thrustmaster T2 on Aureal Vortex digital gameport (or analog mode), severe >shaking. >Keith.

I use : Thrustmaster F1 wheel attached to SB16 I usually get shaking, but after cleanning the pots (contact cleanner) It is much worst now ... i have cleaned my pots before and never had this problem ... whats wrong? in GPL calibration screen i get 739 at full right usually, and now there is a place in the center position that gives me 1800 ... :( help McKafre De La Rosa Marc Collins escribi en mensaje

solved! some mins of practice and the shakes have gone ... :)

% I use : % Thrustmaster F1 wheel attached to SB16 % I usually get shaking, but after cleanning the pots (contact cleanner) It is % much worst now ... % i have cleaned my pots before and never had this problem ... % whats wrong? % in GPL calibration screen i get 739 at full right usually, and now there is % a place in the center position that gives me 1800 ... :( It maybe that the cleaner has finally diluted the lubricant in the pot and it is now smeared all over the contacts. It maybe time to replace the pot, or take it apart and wipe the inside surfaces clean and put it back together. There are little tabs that old the pot together. It's a fairly easy process (except for the soldering). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Logically there should be more trembling with more responsive setting, but I'm not sure, if I can see the difference. >Just out of interest, do you get any trembling or jittering when steering is >set at its most responsive setting (12:1)? >Marc

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>Marc..... >Get yourself a PDPI L4 game-card and say good bye to the shakes! >I used a SB16 as game-port when the GPL demo came out... but upgraded to a >PDPI later on... wow talk about gentle controls! >-- >All the best, >Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* >The Paddock - a legendary site.... ><http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock> >>Just wondering who can calibrate their controller at the linear end of the >>spectrum and NOT get the shakes in GPL (the drivers arms quivering or worse >>when you drive).

I have a '98 TSW connected to PDPI L4 gameport. Soundcard is SB16. 400Mhz processor, 128RAM, Diamond Monster 2. Serious shakes. I've tried everything. Running WIN95. I don't know how to change deadzone or dlinput.dll. Can it be done in WIN95? Sam

p200MMX, Ensonic AudioPCI(SBlaster 64 drivers), directx6.1 and a gamepad. (please don't laugh) - minor shakes. in gpl. upgraded to celeron333 today. - moderate to *** shakes. maybe it's the sound card. regards, tintinn