Will realistic Force Feedback ever arrive??

Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up to Papyrus's standards?What is holding FFB from becoming efficient enough to handle mimicking a steering wheel as realisticlly as possible?Is it the interface to the wheel?Is it the wheels themselves?Are any of the top quality wheel manufactures making a better FFB wheel or are we gonna have to weight till a superfast way of comunicating with the pc arrives? Skeeter

Yep. Ability to code it. Nope. Nope. Dunno. With Viper Racing, the gents at MGI have proven that it can be done, it can be done now, and it can be done well. Brett

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> Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up >to Papyrus's standards?What is holding FFB from becoming efficient >enough to handle mimicking a steering wheel as realisticlly as >possible?Is it the interface to the wheel?Is it the wheels >themselves?Are any of the top quality wheel manufactures making a >better FFB wheel or are we gonna have to weight till a superfast way >of comunicating with the pc arrives? >Skeeter

I have never tried Viper racing with a FFB wheel.Does it go light as you lose grip at the fronts.Does it go light as the rear steps out.Does it go light as you crest hills signalling less weight on the front tires.Does it pull to one side if you lock a wheel under braking.Does it give a see-saw effect if your fishtailing.Sorry about all the DOES IT questions:))) Skeeter

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>Yep. Ability to code it. Nope. Nope. Dunno. >With Viper Racing, the gents at MGI have proven that it can be done, >it can be done now, and it can be done well. >Brett >> Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up >>to Papyrus's standards?What is holding FFB from becoming efficient >>enough to handle mimicking a steering wheel as realisticlly as >>possible?Is it the interface to the wheel?Is it the wheels >>themselves?Are any of the top quality wheel manufactures making a >>better FFB wheel or are we gonna have to weight till a superfast way >>of comunicating with the pc arrives? >>Skeeter

Brett... You know I'm using a MS FF wheel and I thought the FF in Toca 2 was markedly better than Viper Racing. I found the feeling of loss of traction in those FWD BTCC cars to be both pronounced and progressive. Have you tried it? Whadya think? Jack

Hi Skeeter, Yes, to all, but one. The steering gets "muddy" when you lock up under braking, but it doesn't pull to one side. This feels accurate to me. No need at all to be sorry. ;) Brett

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> I have never tried Viper racing with a FFB wheel.Does it go light as >you lose grip at the fronts.Does it go light as the rear steps >out.Does it go light as you crest hills signalling less weight on the >front tires.Does it pull to one side if you lock a wheel under >braking.Does it give a see-saw effect if your fishtailing.Sorry about >all the DOES IT questions:))) >Skeeter

Hi Jack, I don't know, I honestly didn't put enough time into TOCA2 to really dissect the FF, but from my experience, the FF in Viper Racing felt more "real" -- I only say that because TOCA2 came off my drive relatively quickly. If the FF would have blown me away, like Viper did, TOCA2 would have stayed on my drive for that reason alone, regardless of what I thought of its physics model. Also, to me, FWD just isn't as exciting as RWD. In real life, for pure *fun*, I'd much rather have RWD. I'm sure that's a bias towards Viper's FF right off the bat... I just haven't felt anything like Viper yet, especially the way I can *really* feel the car pitch. I grew up pushing cars harder off road than I would on the street, but the feel still applies. Simply put, the FF in Viper feels good enough to feel familiar, so I know they did something right. What's exciting to me, is that -- as good as you think TOCA2 is, and as good as I think Viper is -- these are only some of the FIRST ones to support FF, in a correct manner. What's next?! Brett

Yes, papy is developing a new FF standard together with guys from Hyperstimulator. // Johan > Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up > to Papyrus's standards?

Thanks guys for the responses.Sounds like Viper FFB is pretty good and I would love for GPL to get a FFB patch.Would be awesome if GPL's upcoming patch has FFB in it.Could this be whats taken so long???Gotta wait and see. As for Hyperstimulator developing a new standard with guys from papy,we'll just have to wait and see.Remember the rumor of TSW and Papy supposedlly creating an H-shifter together for GPL.We can hope though:) Skeeter On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:28:12 +0100, Johan Foederer

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>Yes, papy is developing a new FF standard together with guys from >Hyperstimulator. >// Johan >> Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up >> to Papyrus's standards?

I got this information from the official Dutch hyperstim dealer. They expected it to arrive late this year, but that remains to be seen. It will also be available as an upgrade for the current Hyperstims. No price indication was given, but I expect it won't be cheap. // Johan

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> Thanks guys for the responses.Sounds like Viper FFB is pretty good > and I would love for GPL to get a FFB patch.Would be awesome if GPL's > upcoming patch has FFB in it.Could this be whats taken so long???Gotta > wait and see. > As for Hyperstimulator developing a new standard with guys from > papy,we'll just have to wait and see.Remember the rumor of TSW and > Papy supposedlly creating an H-shifter together for GPL.We can hope > though:) > Skeeter > On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:28:12 +0100, Johan Foederer > >Yes, papy is developing a new FF standard together with guys from > >Hyperstimulator. > >// Johan > >> Does anyone know of any developments of a FFB device that would be up > >> to Papyrus's standards?

I HIGHLY doubt this. There is absolutely no reason for Papyrus to do this at all. I-Force has been around quite awhile and has been used in many non-game situations. DirectX's implementation isn't that bad for ***. I haven't seen Papyrus developing a new standard for 3D...:)

yeah it does get better, REAL RACING hehe.

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>On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:19:14 GMT, >> I have never tried Viper racing with a FFB wheel.Does it go light as >>you lose grip at the fronts. >Yes. >>Does it go light as the rear steps >>out. >Bingo! >>Does it go light as you crest hills signalling less weight on the >>front tires. >Yes, it does.. :) >>Does it pull to one side if you lock a wheel under >>braking. >Absolutely. >>Does it give a see-saw effect if your fishtailing. >Yes. Actually ths portion may be a bit overdone. >>Sorry about >>all the DOES IT questions:))) >>Skeeter >No problem. If you have FF, buy it immediately. It >doesn't get any better........ >>>Yep. Ability to code it. Nope. Nope. Dunno. >>>With Viper Racing, th >-- >// rrevved posts from mindspring dot com

> Yes, papy is developing a new FF standard together with guys from > Hyperstimulator. Then I wish Papy "Good Luck", as they'll need it. If they really think they could introduce a NEW standard, I'd be surprised. They just don't sell enough to do that. They better get a grip on the current FF as done by MGI in VR... l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!