OT: another sound card question

I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I appreciate all the answers, but I realized there is one special case that has been the most problematic for me and for which I don't think I have an answer yet - GPL running in XP Pro. My SBLive used to work fine for GPL under Win9x, but under XP Pro I ran into all kinds of problems. Tried all the fixes that were suggested, none of them were 100% reliable. So I would like to know specifically from users of the Audigy 2 and the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz who are running XP if the sound in GPL works okay for them, without any workarounds. Also if any of the people using those cards are playing Battlefield 1942, similar question - under XP can you turn on hardware acceleration within the game and get good sound quality with no distortion, crackles or pops, and no missing sounds? Thanks, Hal

TB Santa Cruz with WinXP here, no problems with GPL, or any other sim. Haven't tried BF 1942, so can't comment. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I > appreciate all the answers, but I realized there is one special case that > has been the most problematic for me and for which I don't think I have an > answer yet - GPL running in XP Pro. My SBLive used to work fine for GPL > under Win9x, but under XP Pro I ran into all kinds of problems. Tried all > the fixes that were suggested, none of them were 100% reliable. So Iwould

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> like to know specifically from users of the Audigy 2 and the Turtle Beach > Santa Cruz who are running XP if the sound in GPL works okay for them, > without any workarounds. Also if any of the people using those cards are > playing Battlefield 1942, similar question - under XP can you turn on > hardware acceleration within the game and get good sound quality with no > distortion, crackles or pops, and no missing sounds? > > Thanks, > Hal > > >

> TB Santa Cruz with WinXP here, no problems with GPL, or any other sim. I was very surprised to discover the cpu hit my santacruz causes in gpl, when compared to the onboard nforce2 soundstorm. My full-field-back-of-the-pack starts went up by a full 3 frames/sec, while sound quality was identical, when using Soundstorm. Onboard sound is getting increasingly better in the newer motherboards (though you have to research what sound chipset is actually installed and choose wisely), but if you have to buy a separate soundcard now I personally would lean towards something like the Audigy2 (which by all accounts has very low cpu usage) or possibly the Fortissimo3. The SantaCruz is certainly a classic soundcard and a decent value, but I'd be looking for a more modern design myself. rms

I have actually been thinking lately of putting my SBLive back in, just to get the extra I/O jacks for the headset I use with TeamSpeak. Audio quality would be a big concern but some searches showed that there are several homebrew fixes available now for the problems I had with it. One thing I would like to know, do you know how the Santa Cruz compares to the SBLive in terms of CPU utilization? No point in putting it back in if I'm going to take a hit in framerate. "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B5lMb.23843$[email hidden]... > > I was very surprised to discover the cpu hit my santacruz causes ingpl,

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> when compared to the onboard nforce2 soundstorm. My > full-field-back-of-the-pack starts went up by a full 3 frames/sec, while > sound quality was identical, when using Soundstorm. > > Onboard sound is getting increasingly better in the newer motherboards > (though you have to research what sound chipset is actually installed and > choose wisely), but if you have to buy a separate soundcard now I

personally

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> would lean towards something like the Audigy2 (which by all accounts has > very low cpu usage) or possibly the Fortissimo3. > > The SantaCruz is certainly a classic soundcard and a decent value, but > I'd be looking for a more modern design myself. > > rms > >

I went from an SB Live to a TB Santa Cruz under WinXP because I had horrible sound in GPL. ( Lots of pops and hisses). The Santa Cruz sound is much better, but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other major sound event. That is somewhat annoying and I haven't found a workaround for it yet. This is the only issue that I have in any sim with this card. Would appreciate knowing what drivers you're using for your Santa Cruz card. Thanks! "Bob G

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> TB Santa Cruz with WinXP here, no problems with GPL, or any other sim. > Haven't tried BF 1942, so can't comment. > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I > > appreciate all the answers, but I realized there is one special case that > > has been the most problematic for me and for which I don't think I have an > > answer yet - GPL running in XP Pro. My SBLive used to work fine for GPL > > under Win9x, but under XP Pro I ran into all kinds of problems. Tried all > > the fixes that were suggested, none of them were 100% reliable. So I > would > > like to know specifically from users of the Audigy 2 and the Turtle Beach > > Santa Cruz who are running XP if the sound in GPL works okay for them, > > without any workarounds. Also if any of the people using those cards are > > playing Battlefield 1942, similar question - under XP can you turn on > > hardware acceleration within the game and get good sound quality with no > > distortion, crackles or pops, and no missing sounds? > > > > Thanks, > > Hal > > > > > >

I went from an SB Live to a TB Santa Cruz under WinXP because I had horrible sound in GPL. ( Lots of pops and hisses). The Santa Cruz sound is much better, but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other major sound event. That is somewhat annoying and I haven't found a workaround for it yet. This is the only issue that I have in any sim with this card. Would appreciate knowing what drivers you're using for your Santa Cruz card. Thanks! "Bob G

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> TB Santa Cruz with WinXP here, no problems with GPL, or any other sim. > Haven't tried BF 1942, so can't comment. > > I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I > > appreciate all the answers, but I realized there is one special case that > > has been the most problematic for me and for which I don't think I have an > > answer yet - GPL running in XP Pro. My SBLive used to work fine for GPL > > under Win9x, but under XP Pro I ran into all kinds of problems. Tried all > > the fixes that were suggested, none of them were 100% reliable. So I > would > > like to know specifically from users of the Audigy 2 and the Turtle Beach > > Santa Cruz who are running XP if the sound in GPL works okay for them, > > without any workarounds. Also if any of the people using those cards are > > playing Battlefield 1942, similar question - under XP can you turn on > > hardware acceleration within the game and get good sound quality with no > > distortion, crackles or pops, and no missing sounds? > > Thanks, > > Hal

I've used a Hercules Gaming Theatre XP in an AMD-ViaKT400 and P4-Intel845PE system. GPL is the only sim that gives me sound problems in XP Pro. I've tried reducing sound acceleration and different drivers, with no luck. Even removing it and using the integrated Realtek, with the same result. Also, I searched RAS and Racesim Central for help. It's pretty much put the brakes (sorry) on GPL for me. Which is a great disappointment. I could dual-boot with Win98SE, but I haven't yet bothered. Good luck......... "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I > ...snip......

"Glaspak" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:UXmMb.4345$[email hidden]: > I've used a Hercules Gaming Theatre XP in an AMD-ViaKT400 and P4-Intel845PE > system. > I'm starting to believe a-lot of our hardware problems are motherboard based. I used to have a pretty crummy Asus with both SDR and DDR ram slots. That system locked up regularly and the shutdowns(a famous win98 problem) were often screwed up. Since I replaced that with an Abit Nforce2 board, I haven't had any similar problems. I wonder if all the creative oddities are as much a problem with the various motherboards we have as the hardware itself. dave henrie

>The Santa Cruz sound is much better, > but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other majorsound > event. Did you turn down sound acceleration to one notch above minimum. rms

I'll give that a try. Thanks. rms wrote:

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> >The Santa Cruz sound is much better, > > but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other major > sound > > event. > > Did you turn down sound acceleration to one notch above minimum. > > rms

I'll give that a try. Thanks.

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> >The Santa Cruz sound is much better, > > but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other major > sound > > event. > Did you turn down sound acceleration to one notch above minimum. > rms

The TBSC has been better than any Creative Card I've ever used. Totally trouble free for me. However, TB may be losing interst in Sound and it's hard to tell what their intentions are right now. -Larry "BRH @comcast.net>" <"bhoenig<no-spam> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I went from an SB Live to a TB Santa Cruz under WinXP because I hadhorrible > sound in GPL. ( Lots of pops and hisses). The Santa Cruz sound is muchbetter, > but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or other majorsound > event. That is somewhat annoying and I haven't found a workaround for ityet. > This is the only issue that I have in any sim with this card. > > Would appreciate knowing what drivers you're using for your Santa Cruzcard.

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> > Thanks! > > > > "Bob G > > > TB Santa Cruz with WinXP here, no problems with GPL, or any other sim. > > Haven't tried BF 1942, so can't comment. > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I have been asking a lot of questions about sound cards lately and I > > > appreciate all the answers, but I realized there is one special case

that > > > has been the most problematic for me and for which I don't think Ihave an > > > answer yet - GPL running in XP Pro. My SBLive used to work fine forGPL > > > under Win9x, but under XP Pro I ran into all kinds of problems. Triedall > > > the fixes that were suggested, none of them were 100% reliable. So I > > would > > > like to know specifically from users of the Audigy 2 and the TurtleBeach > > > Santa Cruz who are running XP if the sound in GPL works okay for them, > > > without any workarounds. Also if any of the people using those cardsare > > > playing Battlefield 1942, similar question - under XP can you turn on > > > hardware acceleration within the game and get good sound quality withno

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> > > distortion, crackles or pops, and no missing sounds? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Hal > > > > > > > > > >

I've read recently that this may not be as good of advice as it used to be. Apparantly under WinXP (and possibly Win2K), using this old trick from the 98 days may actually turn of sound hardware accelleration _completely_, even though you only move it one notch. -Larry "rms" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ArBMb.56141$[email hidden]... > >The Santa Cruz sound is much better, > > but I find that the volume drops severely after a collision or othermajor

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> sound > > event. > > Did you turn down sound acceleration to one notch above minimum. > > rms > >

You keep saying that Larry but he wasnt asking for comparisons of the Live vs the TBSC he was initially asking about the A2 vs TBSC. I HAVE BOTH and the A2 sounds better and has a lower CPU utilization which IMHO makes it a better card. Is the A2 perfect, no but its a sight better than the TBSC. Mitch Larry wrote:

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> The TBSC has been better than any Creative Card I've ever used. Totally > trouble free for me. > > However, TB may be losing interst in Sound and it's hard to tell what their > intentions are right now. > > -Larry

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Seems to be just about everyone's feeling. Everyone hates CL but they are the only choice :( "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RvgNb.1225$_H5.23@lakeread06... > Well, the way things are looking, if I want a new sound card it might_have_ > to be an A2. Turtle Beach doesn't seem interested in bringing out updated > products (ANY of their products), and Hercules actually went with a > lower-end chipset in the new GameTheatre XP 7.1 setup. That one really > confuses me... And the M-Audio is reportedly wonderful for music, buthard

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> on frame rates. > > Creative is one of those companies that has pissed me off SO bad in the > past, they almost have to be the last choice for me to go back. > > -Larry > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:R_WMb.418$[email hidden]... > > You keep saying that Larry but he wasnt asking for comparisons of the > > Live vs the TBSC he was initially asking about the A2 vs TBSC. I HAVE > > BOTH and the A2 sounds better and has a lower CPU utilization which IMHO > > makes it a better card. Is the A2 perfect, no but its a sight better > > than the TBSC. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > The TBSC has been better than any Creative Card I've ever used.

Totally

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> > > trouble free for me. > > > > > > However, TB may be losing interst in Sound and it's hard to tell what > their > > > intentions are right now. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > -- > > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> > > > >

Well, the way things are looking, if I want a new sound card it might _have_ to be an A2. Turtle Beach doesn't seem interested in bringing out updated products (ANY of their products), and Hercules actually went with a lower-end chipset in the new GameTheatre XP 7.1 setup. That one really confuses me... And the M-Audio is reportedly wonderful for music, but hard on frame rates. Creative is one of those companies that has pissed me off SO bad in the past, they almost have to be the last choice for me to go back. -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R_WMb.418$[email hidden]...

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> You keep saying that Larry but he wasnt asking for comparisons of the > Live vs the TBSC he was initially asking about the A2 vs TBSC. I HAVE > BOTH and the A2 sounds better and has a lower CPU utilization which IMHO > makes it a better card. Is the A2 perfect, no but its a sight better > than the TBSC. > > Mitch > > > > Larry wrote: > > The TBSC has been better than any Creative Card I've ever used. Totally > > trouble free for me. > > > > However, TB may be losing interst in Sound and it's hard to tell what

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> > intentions are right now. > > > > -Larry > > -- > <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>> >

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