GPL 1.1 or 2.0?

I have this weird feeling that GPL v1.1 will become GPL 2.0 complete with a $49 price tag. Current users will probably receive a $10 to $20 rebate(just wishful thinking). No way it takes 8 months to tweak and correct the few bugs that exist in the sim. Face it guys and gals this aint gone be no "patch", this will be a updated version of the sim. Do you really think that Papy would add FF and such for free? I hope that I'm wrong(sure as hell want be the first time and certainly want be the last). GPL is without a doubt the best sim ever created and if Papy makes it even better it would definitely be worth another 25 to 50 bucks. Whether its a "patch" or a new version I just wish they'd get the sucker out the door. Scottie

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>On Thu, 13 May 1999 23:11:49 -0500, >>No way it takes 8 months to tweak and correct the few bugs that exist in the >>sim. >Maybe they were doing other things, like creating Nascar3 >from scratch.

Kind of like when it took them 8 months to patch the really annoying setup bug (and not much else) in ICR2? While they were creating NASCAR2? Case closed... :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Maybe after N3 and whatever is after that (Cart2000 maybe?). Then we might see a GPL2. Chris

>I have this weird feeling that GPL v1.1 will become GPL 2.0 complete with a >$49 price tag. Current users will probably receive a $10 to $20 rebate(just >wishful thinking). Not unless it has a lot more than we've heard about - say new tracks or something. Not that it isn't an impressive sounding patch, it is, but they can't expect people to shell out again for multiplayer fixes and FF. Joe

"but they can't expect people to shell out again for multiplayer fixes and FF" I would...and NT / Linux support, and warm tires at the start, and the ability to kick off unbehaving online racers, and no offline suicidal "a la Surtees at Monza" behavior of the AI's. Nonetheless, in its present form, the greatest sim ever made. Robert Hull, Qubec =:-D

What "bugs"? -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >No way it takes 8 months to tweak and correct the few bugs that exist in the >sim.

Interesting remark... Isn't he saying that sim racing will never exist as a sport :o)? I agree there is no fear of loosing your life, but there's the fear of making a fool of yourself and fear of loosing the rear. Is that enough fear to make it a sport :o)? /Christer > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark -- http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o)).

I dunno, don't think so. There are plenty of people on the NROS and VROC that make fools of themselves.....and making a fool of themselves doesn't stop them dead cold like buying the farm in a flame wreckage of a racecar. :)

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> Interesting remark... Isn't he saying that sim racing will never exist > as a sport :o)? I agree there is no fear of loosing your life, but > there's the fear of making a fool of yourself and fear of loosing the > rear. Is that enough fear to make it a sport :o)? > /Christer > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

>no offline suicidal "a la Surtees at Monza" behavior of the AI's. Oh... Is this a known persisting feature? Surtees has hit two times the back of my car when braking for the Parabolica, is this happening to the others too? -- < Tero Turtiainen | Yes Sir, may I*** your boots or do your Highness > < turtiain at iki.fi | use dry cleaning? - Stone >

> "but they can't expect people to shell out again for multiplayer fixes > and FF" > I would...and NT / Linux support, and warm tires at the start, and the > ability to kick off unbehaving online racers, and no offline suicidal "a la > Surtees at Monza" behavior of the AI's. Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for Randy to announce a Linux server, too. Call me VERY optimistic. ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I'm completely puzzled about the constant talk about 1.1. Just what earth-shattering changes are going to take place? FFB would be nice. D3D support would be great. A few more choices for newbies would be nice. Improved net code would be nice (but of debatable use given the state of the Net these days). But nothing's going to fundamentally change what's already a great racing experience. I think what I'm saying is that if people aren't enjoying themselves already, nothing in the patch is likely to help... and if people are enjoying it already, what's to complain about? Andrew McP

You betcha!

You're VERY optimistic. :-) Couldn't resist. Randy

More choices for newbies (and pros)? Take a look at GPaL! (www.RaceLive.com/GPaL) More choices *and* new ways to enjoy the "what's already a great racing experience." Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

So ballpark estimate on the patch date Randy?

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> > Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for > Randy to > > announce a Linux server, too. Call me VERY optimistic. ;^) > You're VERY optimistic. > :-) Couldn't resist. > Randy

Thats been stated already. Granted, but there is the OpenGL.... Um, what? Its the best there is right now for something as accurate as GPL. About the only thing I can think of that they truly might want to correct is how they handle multiplayer collisions to help avoid some of the weirdness that happens. :) already, nothing in the to complain about? True enough.

>Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for Randy to >announce a Linux server, too. What would the benefits of a Linux server be? Is GPL 1.1 going to a true client/server model? Will this improve lag for racers? Joe

Isn't the word *fear* a bit strong? > x-no-archive: yes > <snipped> > >>I don't *fear* for my life, but I do *fear* for all the time and effort<< > <snipped>

I should've pointed out I don't want/need/lust after any of the options I mentioned. Andrew McP

> > Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for > Randy to > > announce a Linux server, too. Call me VERY optimistic. ;^) > You're VERY optimistic. Would it be at least possible? Dependency on Windoze should be minimal after removing sound, graphics and controller code. l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> >Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for Randy to > >announce a Linux server, too. > What would the benefits of a Linux server be? Is GPL 1.1 going to a > true client/server model? Will this improve lag for racers? I don't have the source code, so I can't check. ;^) But the possibility is there, that the server could do all the AI calculations while the client has only to do your car, the graphics and the positional updates. Only if the AI calculations are more cpu intensive than the server updates, it would be worthwhile, of course. I compare it with Quake2, there is a definite gain when running a dedicated server with 5 or 6 bots. The path finding for those ***s is now done by the server and not the client -> much better frame rate. l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Uh, folks..unless Randy corrects me, I do believe that GPL IS a client/server app. In fact, I'd be that each AI racer acts as a client on your computer and so do you. :? Can't imagine trying to write a game that was written groundup to be multiplayer of the complexity of GPL in any other manner.

Ur too much Bryon; So you nearly "defecated" yourself!!....eh? This could come from many reasons and certainly not *fear*!!!.LOL I didn't know our mates from 'down-under' ate 'Hot-Chili' & 'Exlax'. G'Day.. ;0)

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> So what's a better word? If I'm in a race I'm taking seriously (GPLWS > for example) and I make a bit of a mistake that I think is gunna put me > off I nearly shit myself! :) > > Isn't the word *fear* a bit strong? > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > <snipped> > > > >>I don't *fear* for my life, but I do *fear* for all the time and effort<< > > > <snipped>

is how they handle multiplayer collisions to help avoid some of the weirdness that happens. :) What?! An deprive us of all those wonderful replays? I still love the Ferrari Rocket blasting off from the startline at Kyalami.

So what's a better word? If I'm in a race I'm taking seriously (GPLWS for example) and I make a bit of a mistake that I think is gunna put me off I nearly shit myself! :)

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> Isn't the word *fear* a bit strong? > > x-no-archive: yes > > <snipped> > > >>I don't *fear* for my life, but I do *fear* for all the time and effort<< > > <snipped>

I'm wondering how long it takes you guys to realise that there will be no answer to this question. If they give a date and be a day late they'll be the worst thing since.................

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> So ballpark estimate on the patch date Randy? > > > Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for > > Randy to > > > announce a Linux server, too. Call me VERY optimistic. ;^) > > You're VERY optimistic. > > :-) Couldn't resist. > > Randy

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>> > Yepp, after the announcement of FF for the patch I'm waiting for >> Randy to >> > announce a Linux server, too. Call me VERY optimistic. ;^) >> You're VERY optimistic. >Would it be at least possible? Dependency on Windoze should be >minimal after removing sound, graphics and controller code.

Unless Papyrus has an agreement with NASCAR not to release another stand alone server like NROS..... Remco

>So what's a better word? If I'm in a race I'm taking seriously (GPLWS >for example) and I make a bit of a mistake that I think is gunna put me >off I nearly shit myself! :) Tense or nervous. If computer games scare you, make a trip to the US and take a NYC taxi ride. Nothing will ever scare you again. Tim -- http://www.users.fast.net/~fusion1 (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)

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>Tense or nervous. >If computer games scare you, make a trip to the US and take a NYC taxi >ride. Nothing will ever scare you again. >Tim >-- > http://www.users.fast.net/~fusion1 > (dirt bikes, rat bikes, rental car abuse...)

Tim, the cabbies of NYC have nothing on the cab drivers in Rome. These cats all think they should be in the second Ferrari<g>. -don

Ok, bad choice of words :-)

>But the possibility is there, that the server could do all the AI >calculations while the client has only to do your car, the graphics >and the positional updates. >Only if the AI calculations are more cpu intensive than the server >updates, it would be worthwhile, of course. Ah. Well for single player racing it seems a lot more practical to do this with a dual CPU system. Joe