MICROPOSE: gp500 is that a superbike game ?

the 500 cc F1 GP bikes are two stroke and a lot faster while the AMA superbikes & World superbikes are 4 stroke but very popular now, and there like what your can but at your locaI bike shop I kinda liken it to the difference between f1 cars and Indycar or Nascar. >Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan and >the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i only >really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and superbikes are

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>WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? >Chris >>Hi >>I am keen on motorbike but not informed >>about the race types. >>What is this GP500 from micropose ? >>Sounds like a superbike thing. >>What other names does the superbike series go by? >>Sure hope someone would do a Harley type >>"need for speed" ............!!!! >>-- >>regards >>=========================================== >>Singapore

Hi I am keen on motorbike but not informed about the race types. What is this GP500 from micropose ? Sounds like a superbike thing. What other names does the superbike series go by? Sure hope someone would do a Harley type "need for speed" ............!!!! -- regards =========================================== Singapore

Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan and the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i only really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and superbikes are WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? Chris

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>Hi >I am keen on motorbike but not informed >about the race types. >What is this GP500 from micropose ? >Sounds like a superbike thing. >What other names does the superbike series go by? >Sure hope someone would do a Harley type >"need for speed" ............!!!! >-- >regards >=========================================== >Singapore

Superbikes are based on real life production motorcycles that you can buy and ride on the road. They have four stroke motors with the 4 cylinder machines (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki) restricted to a 750 cc engine capacity and the twin cylinder machines (Ducati, Aprillia) can have a 1000 cc capacity. The 500 cc GP bikes are have two stroke motors and are NOT based on road bikes. They have adjustable everything and not many people on the planet can ride them properly at all (says the spectator :-) There is a mixture of 2, 3 and 4 cylinder machines in this class. The superbikes have 2 races per round with points scored in both rounds, in the World Superbike Championship. The 500GP bikes have one longer race each round. I am sure someone can add a bit more or poke fun at what I have said :-), but this may help. Bye, Ian

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, GP are the 2-stroke hot-rods of 2-wheel racing, while World Super Bike and AMA Super Bike make up the 4-strokes (similar to in appearance to street legal sportbikes). GP500 is an upcoming new title from MicroProse - Kenny Roberts, Jr. assisted in the development of the physics model, while DornaTV provided the data modeling of the tracks (12 in all). GP500 models the 1998 GP500 season and is slated for a Christmas release date. Cheers! Marc

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> Hi > I am keen on motorbike but not informed > about the race types. > What is this GP500 from micropose ? > Sounds like a superbike thing. > What other names does the superbike series go by? > Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > "need for speed" ............!!!! > -- > regards > =========================================== > Singapore

-- Marc J. Nelson SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

Just to be pedantic... Superbikes hold the current two wheel lap record around Phillip Island actually. Less than 25 secs slower than a Formula 1 car! :)) -- Rob. >the 500 cc F1 GP bikes are two stroke and a lot faster while the AMA >superbikes & World superbikes are 4 stroke but very popular now, and there >like what your can but at your locaI bike shop I kinda liken it to the >difference between f1 cars and Indycar or Nascar. >>Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan >and >>the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i >only >>really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and superbikes >are >>WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? >>Chris >>>Hi >>>I am keen on motorbike but not informed >>>about the race types. >>>What is this GP500 from micropose ? >>>Sounds like a superbike thing. >>>What other names does the superbike series go by? >>>Sure hope someone would do a Harley type >>>"need for speed" ............!!!! >>>-- >>>regards >>>=========================================== >>>Singapore

Putting it in 4 wheel context, 500cc is more like a high tech racing formula like F1 Superbikes are more production based like touring cars.... Z. Please remove NOSPAM from my email address when replying.

GP500's are the F1 500cc bikes of Mick Doohan etc.., so I surpose it's a sim of that although i have not played it yet,but EA's world superbike's is awesome as a bike sim.

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> Hi > I am keen on motorbike but not informed > about the race types. > What is this GP500 from micropose ? > Sounds like a superbike thing. > What other names does the superbike series go by? > Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > "need for speed" ............!!!! > -- > regards > =========================================== > Singapore

Rob, when was the last time an F1 race was held at Phillip Island? -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== > Just to be pedantic... Superbikes hold the current two wheel lap record >around Phillip Island actually. Less than 25 secs slower than a Formula 1 >car! :)) >-- > Rob. >>the 500 cc F1 GP bikes are two stroke and a lot faster while the AMA >>superbikes & World superbikes are 4 stroke but very popular now, and >there >>like what your can but at your locaI bike shop I kinda liken it to the >>difference between f1 cars and Indycar or Nascar. >>and >>>the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i >>only >>>really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and >superbikes >>are >>>WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? >>>Chris >>>>Hi >>>>I am keen on motorbike but not informed >>>>about the race types. >>>>What is this GP500 from micropose ? >>>>Sounds like a superbike thing. >>>>What other names does the superbike series go by? >>>>Sure hope someone would do a Harley type >>>>"need for speed" ............!!!! >>>>-- >>>>regards >>>>=========================================== >>>>Singapore

yeah - and how many of us can afford to go out and get a Yamaha R7 at over 20,000ukp?? 'based on real life' my ass!!! interesting to see whether 2 strokes continue as they are or whether the fours will eventually become part of the GP class..... -- Mike Buckley Cotswold Pig Development Co Ltd Tel: +44 (0)1472 371591 Fax: +44 (0)1472 371208 http://www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk

Perhaps I should have said "very loosely based on..." :-) Some people must be buying the expensive machinery or they would not be making them! Most recent news on 4 strokes in the GP's is (quoting from Australian Motorcycle News, May 14-27 1999) as follows: - Noise limit of 115 to 120 dB (rather than the no noise limit that was first proposed - that would have been real nice!) - Less than 1000cc in capacity, but the Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association Secretary, Mr. Tsubouchi, would not confirm rumours of a 750cc being set in place. - Fuel consumption limits being introduced. 2 strokes revert to the former 32lt limit (currently free), 4 strokes initially a 24lt limit dropping back to 22lt after 3 years. - Oval pistons will not be counted as two cylinders. - Weight limits for the bikes: 135kg minimum three cylinders, 145kg for four cylinders and 155kg for six or more cylinders. No mention of when this may happen, so who knows if it will or not.

I thought that game was still a secret? Where did you hear about it? Its a fully licenced GP500 game with the real riders and tracks and some of the best graphics I have seen in any game! Nuff said. Lets just wait for the official press releases before I get into trouble.

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> Hi > I am keen on motorbike but not informed > about the race types. > What is this GP500 from micropose ? > Sounds like a superbike thing. > What other names does the superbike series go by? > Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > "need for speed" ............!!!! > -- > regards > =========================================== > Singapore

GP 500 bikes ar 500cc 2,3 or 4 Cylinder two strokes. They can use and frames, suspension, wheels etc. Superbikes are 750cc 4 Cylinder or 1000cc 2 Cylinder four strokes based on production frames and engines. GP500 bikes are way harder to race and are the F1 of motorcycles. The Superbikes are more entertaining because there are more riders who can go fast on them and the racing is a lot closer. The AMA Superbikes are identical to the World Superbikes in terms of bike specifications. About the only country that has a domestic GP500 competition is Japan. THis is becuase the bikes cost way too much! A GP500 game created with accurate physics should be a lot harder than EA Superbikes to master. P.S. The GP500 class will most likely be replaced by a GP750 4 stroke class in the next year or so. The only trouble is they are getting over 250HP out of the test 750's!

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> Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan and > the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i only > really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and superbikes are > WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? > Chris > >Hi > >I am keen on motorbike but not informed > >about the race types. > >What is this GP500 from micropose ? > >Sounds like a superbike thing. > >What other names does the superbike series go by? > >Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > >"need for speed" ............!!!! > >-- > >regards > >=========================================== > >Singapore

Excellent reply! And I can assure you this spectator tells the GP500 riders exactly what they are doing wrong even if they can;t here me yelling at the TV!

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> Superbikes are based on real life production motorcycles that you can buy > and ride on the road. They have four stroke motors with the 4 cylinder > machines (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki) restricted to a 750 cc engine capacity > and the twin cylinder machines (Ducati, Aprillia) can have a 1000 cc > capacity. > The 500 cc GP bikes are have two stroke motors and are NOT based on road > bikes. They have adjustable everything and not many people on the planet can > ride them properly at all (says the spectator :-) There is a mixture of 2, > 3 and 4 cylinder machines in this class. > The superbikes have 2 races per round with points scored in both rounds, in > the World Superbike Championship. The 500GP bikes have one longer race each > round. > I am sure someone can add a bit more or poke fun at what I have said :-), > but this may help. > Bye, > Ian

And excellent rendering of the bikes and tracks it is too! That's unfair letting Kenny get all of that extra practice in. No wonder he is winning!

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> As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, GP are the 2-stroke hot-rods of > 2-wheel racing, while World Super Bike and AMA Super Bike make up the > 4-strokes (similar to in appearance to street legal sportbikes). > GP500 is an upcoming new title from MicroProse - Kenny Roberts, Jr. > assisted in the development of the physics model, while DornaTV provided > the data modeling of the tracks (12 in all). GP500 models the 1998 > GP500 season and is slated for a Christmas release date. > Cheers! > Marc > > Hi > > I am keen on motorbike but not informed > > about the race types. > > What is this GP500 from micropose ? > > Sounds like a superbike thing. > > What other names does the superbike series go by? > > Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > > "need for speed" ............!!!! > > -- > > regards > > =========================================== > > Singapore > -- > Marc J. Nelson > SimRacing Online - http://www.simracing.com > * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

The Superbike lap record was made on the resurfaced track. In pre season testing the GP500's are more than 1.5 seconds faster than the best Superbike times around the island. Just to be pendantic! As for a Formula 1 around the Isalnd, I would love to see that!

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> Just to be pedantic... Superbikes hold the current two wheel lap record > around Phillip Island actually. Less than 25 secs slower than a Formula 1 > car! :)) > -- > Rob. > >the 500 cc F1 GP bikes are two stroke and a lot faster while the AMA > >superbikes & World superbikes are 4 stroke but very popular now, and > there > >like what your can but at your locaI bike shop I kinda liken it to the > >difference between f1 cars and Indycar or Nascar. > >>Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan > >and > >>the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i > >only > >>really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and > superbikes > >are > >>WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? > >>Chris > >>>Hi > >>>I am keen on motorbike but not informed > >>>about the race types. > >>>What is this GP500 from micropose ? > >>>Sounds like a superbike thing. > >>>What other names does the superbike series go by? > >>>Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > >>>"need for speed" ............!!!! > >>>-- > >>>regards > >>>=========================================== > >>>Singapore

Could you imagine the retired old fogies (including my parents who are within shouting distance of the track) putting up with F1 noise? It was bas enough this weekend wioth the V8 Supercars.

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> Rob, when was the last time an F1 race was held at Phillip Island? > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > > Just to be pedantic... Superbikes hold the current two wheel lap record > >around Phillip Island actually. Less than 25 secs slower than a Formula 1 > >car! :)) > >-- > > Rob. > >>the 500 cc F1 GP bikes are two stroke and a lot faster while the AMA > >>superbikes & World superbikes are 4 stroke but very popular now, and > >there > >>like what your can but at your locaI bike shop I kinda liken it to the > >>difference between f1 cars and Indycar or Nascar. > >>>Could be wrong but i think GP500 is the 500cc World Championship (doohan > >>and > >>>the like). I belive Superbikes are different. Not sure though cause i > >>only > >>>really know the classes in AMA competition and in that 500cc and > >superbikes > >>are > >>>WAY different. Anyone have a definitive answer here? > >>>Chris > >>>>Hi > >>>>I am keen on motorbike but not informed > >>>>about the race types. > >>>>What is this GP500 from micropose ? > >>>>Sounds like a superbike thing. > >>>>What other names does the superbike series go by? > >>>>Sure hope someone would do a Harley type > >>>>"need for speed" ............!!!! > >>>>-- > >>>>regards > >>>>=========================================== > >>>>Singapore

The fours will become the GP class. All of the manufacturers are pushing it. 500cc two strokes bear no resemblance to what sell on the street.

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> >Superbikes are based on real life production motorcycles that you can buy > >and ride on the road. They have four stroke motors with the 4 cylinder > >machines (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki) restricted to a 750 cc engine capacity > >and the twin cylinder machines (Ducati, Aprillia) can have a 1000 cc > >capacity. > yeah - and how many of us can afford to go out and get a Yamaha R7 at > over 20,000ukp?? 'based on real life' my ass!!! > interesting to see whether 2 strokes continue as they are or whether the > fours will eventually become part of the GP class..... > -- > Mike Buckley > Cotswold Pig Development Co Ltd > Tel: +44 (0)1472 371591 Fax: +44 (0)1472 371208 > http://www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk

It would take some of the skilll out of it I reckon. But they do reckon they are getting 250HP out of some 750 four stroke test beds. Imagine am unrestricted 1000ccc four!

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> Perhaps I should have said "very loosely based on..." :-) Some people must > be buying the expensive machinery or they would not be making them! > Most recent news on 4 strokes in the GP's is (quoting from Australian > Motorcycle News, May 14-27 1999) as follows: > - Noise limit of 115 to 120 dB (rather than the no noise limit that was > first proposed - that would have been real nice!) > - Less than 1000cc in capacity, but the Grand Prix Manufacturers' > Association Secretary, Mr. Tsubouchi, would not confirm rumours of a 750cc > being set in place. > - Fuel consumption limits being introduced. 2 strokes revert to the former > 32lt limit (currently free), 4 strokes initially a 24lt limit dropping back > to 22lt after 3 years. > - Oval pistons will not be counted as two cylinders. > - Weight limits for the bikes: 135kg minimum three cylinders, 145kg for four > cylinders and 155kg for six or more cylinders. > No mention of when this may happen, so who knows if it will or not.

| P.S. The GP500 class will most likely be replaced by a GP750 4 stroke class in the | next year or so. The only trouble is they are getting over 250HP out of the test | 750's! Are you sure about this? That's 333 horsepower/liter, an awful lot for a normally aspirated four-stroke....... -- Oeivind Hagen

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> I thought that game was still a secret? Where did you hear about it? > Its a fully licenced GP500 game with the real riders and tracks and some > of the best graphics I have seen in any game! > Nuff said. Lets just wait for the official press releases before I get > into trouble.

No secret anymore - They had it on demo yesterday at E3 in LA. All the tracks, riders and teams of the 1998 GP500 season. And it DID look nice. Even a confirmed auto racer like me might go for this one. Jeff

Thats what people I was talking to at the World Superbikes at Phillip Island were saying. SInce they are getting close to 200HP with the 500cc two strokes I can quite believe it. 250HP is way too much. Nobody said if 250HP was usable at the back wheel or just on a workbench.

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> | P.S. The GP500 class will most likely be replaced by a GP750 4 stroke > class in the > | next year or so. The only trouble is they are getting over 250HP out of > the test > | 750's! > Are you sure about this? That's 333 horsepower/liter, an awful lot for a > normally aspirated four-stroke....... > -- > Oeivind Hagen

I received confirmation of the "launch" soon after I posted the message. It does look nice doesn't it! Was their much interest in the game at E3? GP 500 racing is hugely popular in Europe so I think the game will generate a lot of interest there. In Australia the product will sell due to Doohan!

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> > I thought that game was still a secret? Where did you hear about it? > > Its a fully licenced GP500 game with the real riders and tracks and some > > of the best graphics I have seen in any game! > > Nuff said. Lets just wait for the official press releases before I get > > into trouble. > No secret anymore - They had it on demo yesterday at E3 in LA. > All the tracks, riders and teams of the 1998 GP500 season. > And it DID look nice. Even a confirmed auto racer like me might go for this one. > Jeff