Papyrus Recruitment

As part of Papyrus' continued commitment to providing the type of games our customers demand, we always welcome employment inquiries from people knowledgable in sim racing. Papyrus is currently filling a Play Tester position, and I have attached the job description below. *This is a full time, on location position. If you are interested, please take the time with "Play Tester" in the subject line, and let us know why Papyrus' future products will be better with you on our team. Thanks, Shawn Wise Papyrus Design Group Play Tester Papyrus play testers will be responsible for gameplay testing of pre-release versions of software and for detecting program defects. Tests software for ease of use, design integrity, realism, play-balance, fun factor, reliability, consistency and absence of program defects. Requirements: -Extensive knowledge of racing and racing simulations. -Ability to identify game play problems and provide feedback to designers and developers regarding play balance, design integrity, realism and over all fun factor. -Ability to troubleshoot programs and identify bugs. Excellent written and verbal communication skills. Interested candidates please send information regarding your qualifications to;

I'd be all over this job if I didn't have to be "on location." Damn. Ryan

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> As part of Papyrus' continued commitment to > providing the type of games our customers > demand, we always welcome employment > inquiries from people knowledgable in sim > racing. > Papyrus is currently filling a Play Tester > position, and I have attached the job > description below. > *This is a full time, on location position. > If you are interested, please take the time > with "Play Tester" in the subject line, and let > us know why Papyrus' future products will be > better with you on our team. > Thanks, > Shawn Wise > Papyrus Design Group > Play Tester > Papyrus play testers will be responsible for > gameplay testing of pre-release versions of > software and for detecting program defects. > Tests software for ease of use, design > integrity, realism, play-balance, fun factor, > reliability, consistency and absence of > program defects. > Requirements: > -Extensive knowledge of racing and racing > simulations. > -Ability to identify game play problems and > provide feedback to designers and developers > regarding play balance, design integrity, > realism and over all fun factor. > -Ability to troubleshoot programs and identify > bugs. Excellent written and verbal communication > skills. > Interested candidates please send information > regarding your qualifications to;

Yeah, me too... and if I wasn't 15 years old... hehe. You guys really need to try to get this job so we can try prevent NASCAR Revolusion's Revenge ever coming from Papyrus.... Leave EA to make those crappy games! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand out CART3 to my friends!!! :) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119

Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't >mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand >out CART3 to my friends!!! :) >-- >Kirk Lane >ICQ: 28171652 >RMRL #119 >>>I'd be all over this job if I didn't have to be "on location." Damn. >>Yeah, me too... and if I wasn't 15 years old... hehe. You guys really need >to >>try to get this job so we can try prevent NASCAR Revolusion's Revenge ever >>coming from Papyrus.... Leave EA to make those crappy games! >>Dan Belcher >>Team Racing Unlimited

Uh huh... don't you people have anything better to do that try to annoy the hell out of others with this sensless crap? Give it a rest! Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

Lern to spell first b4 yuo even think of leeping intoo the werkforce. *now that response would have been seriously satirical*

True! :o) I must be getting tired. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Lern to spell first b4 yuo even think of leeping intoo the werkforce. >*now that response would have been seriously satirical*

I think you mean "senseless", perhaps? -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet ===============================================

spellcheck this: Mean Old Library Lady

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> Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't > >mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand > >out CART3 to my friends!!! :) > >-- > >Kirk Lane > >ICQ: 28171652 > >RMRL #119 > >>>I'd be all over this job if I didn't have to be "on location." Damn. > >>Yeah, me too... and if I wasn't 15 years old... hehe. You guys really > need > >to > >>try to get this job so we can try prevent NASCAR Revolusion's Revenge

ever > >>coming from Papyrus.... Leave EA to make those crappy games! > >>Dan Belcher > >>Team Racing Unlimited

Uh, let's see... WHAT DID I SPELL WRONG???? I seriously don't see exactly where you're going with this. (By the way, I'm taking Senior-level English next year as a Sophomore.) -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >====== >The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet >=============================================== >>Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't >>mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand >>out CART3 to my friends!!! :) >>-- >>Kirk Lane >>ICQ: 28171652 >>RMRL #119 >>>>I'd be all over this job if I didn't have to be "on location." Damn. >>>Yeah, me too... and if I wasn't 15 years old... hehe. You guys really >need >>to >>>try to get this job so we can try prevent NASCAR Revolusion's Revenge ever >>>coming from Papyrus.... Leave EA to make those crappy games! >>>Dan Belcher >>>Team Racing Unlimited

Watch out, the spelling-bee cops strike once again... Damn... Do we really have to cope with these arrogant jerks all the time? Sheesh... Frank On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:56:45 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. Francois Dubuc, Simulator ***world, [link lost in import: /***world/]

Why are you shouting ? -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Sorry to disappoint, chum, but I don't use a spellchecker. I don't need to, you see, because I was actually taught how to spell. -- Bruce. ====== >spellcheck this: >Mean >Old >Library >Lady

Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread with 'Learn to spell'... -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >> Uh, let's see... >> WHAT DID I SPELL WRONG???? >Why are you shouting ? >-- >-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> >-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ >-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ >-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. >-- May the Downforce be with you... >"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'll help you. Here is what you typed: +++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++ There is no apostrophe in "old's" because it is neither posessive, nor is it a contraction. It is a plural. Plurals don't have apostrophes. The next word you typed is "cant". That means a lot of different things, but what it doesn't mean is "can not". That word would be "can't". I suppose he could have been complaining about the use of "C'mon", since it isn't actually a word. I believe it is supposed to be a contraction of "Come on", in which case it really should be "C'm'on". Apostrophes in contractions replace dropped letters or groups of letters. Because you asked, ~daxe PS: I could spell and punctuate by the time I was in fifth grade. Perhaps we should be bashing your school system and not you. -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

# 117 in B.K.'s "Reasons to Go On Living" list

Maybe he ment spells as magic spells? like "raise dead" or something...

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>Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread >with 'Learn to spell'... >-- >Kirk Lane >ICQ: 28171652

On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:26:57 +0300, "Marko Viitanen" >Maybe he ment spells as magic spells? like "raise dead" or something... LMAO!!! Frank Francois Dubuc, Simulator ***world, [link lost in import: /***world/]

You mean if we all typr wreng then Bruce will dy? M

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># 117 in B.K.'s "Reasons to Go On Living" list >>>I was actually taught how to spell.

Considering that I still cannot find anything spelled wrong in any post...aside from the sarcasm...! -- Kirk Lane ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >Watch out, the spelling-bee cops strike once again... Damn... Do we >really have to cope with these arrogant jerks all the time? Sheesh... >Frank >On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:56:45 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >>Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. >Francois Dubuc, >Simulator ***world, >[link lost in import: /***world/]

I can help with the grammar. Take the apostrophe out of old's and stick it in cant <G> Mark

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> Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread > with 'Learn to spell'... > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652 > RMRL #119 > >> Uh, let's see... > >> WHAT DID I SPELL WRONG???? > >Why are you shouting ? > >-- > >-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> > >-- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ > >-- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ > >-- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. > >-- May the Downforce be with you... > >"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > >how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

sometimes I wonder . . .

No no no! Cantrippes! Prostnogitashuns! Hexxes! Dweomers! Mikey (at least "Dweomers" is spelled right!) the Slowpoke! >> Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread

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>> with 'Learn to spell'... > I'll help you. Here is what you typed: >+++++++++++++++ >>Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't >>mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand >>out CART3 to my friends!!! :) >+++++++++++++++ > There is no apostrophe in "old's" because it is neither posessive, nor

is it >a contraction. It is a plural. Plurals don't have apostrophes. > The next word you typed is "cant". That means a lot of different things, >but what it doesn't mean is "can not". That word would be "can't". > I suppose he could have been complaining about the use of "C'mon", since it >isn't actually a word. I believe it is supposed to be a contraction of "Come >on", in which case it really should be "C'm'on". Apostrophes in contractions

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>replace dropped letters or groups of letters. >Because you asked, >~daxe >PS: I could spell and punctuate by the time I was in fifth grade. Perhaps

we >should be bashing your school system and not you. > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

"'Tis a demned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways to spell any word." -Andrew Jackson >Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >======

On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:18:38 -0700, "Avetikus" >"'Tis a demned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways to >spell any word." > -Andrew Jackson A book of quotations is a very useful thing for an uneducated man to have. - Winston Churchill :-) Cheers! John

Eh, it's a newsgroup :) -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >No no no! Cantrippes! Prostnogitashuns! Hexxes! Dweomers! >Mikey (at least "Dweomers" is spelled right!) the Slowpoke! >>> Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this >thread >>> with 'Learn to spell'... >> I'll help you. Here is what you typed: >>+++++++++++++++ >>>Who says that us 15 year old's cant do it? Too bad 'on location' doesn't >>>mean Tempe, Arizona!!!!! C'mon, Papy, please??? I promise I won't hand >>>out CART3 to my friends!!! :) >>+++++++++++++++ >> There is no apostrophe in "old's" because it is neither posessive, nor >is it >>a contraction. It is a plural. Plurals don't have apostrophes. >> The next word you typed is "cant". That means a lot of different >things, >>but what it doesn't mean is "can not". That word would be "can't". >> I suppose he could have been complaining about the use of "C'mon", >since it >>isn't actually a word. I believe it is supposed to be a contraction of >"Come >>on", in which case it really should be "C'm'on". Apostrophes in >contractions >>replace dropped letters or groups of letters. >>Because you asked, >>~daxe >>PS: I could spell and punctuate by the time I was in fifth grade. Perhaps >we >>should be bashing your school system and not you. >> -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News >==---------- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! >>------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers >==-----

A moose once beet my seester! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

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>True! :o) >I must be getting tired. >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >====== >The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet >=============================================== >>Lern to spell first b4 yuo even think of leeping intoo the werkforce. >>*now that response would have been seriously satirical*

Daxe Rexford schrieb: > > Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread > > with 'Learn to spell'... > I'll help you. Here is what you typed: snip > PS: I could spell and punctuate by the time I was in fifth grade. Perhaps we > should be bashing your school system and not you. From now on I will intentionally include one or two spelling mistakes in my posts, just to entertain you. And it's completely free... ;^) l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

:)

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> I think you mean "senseless", perhaps? > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >Uh huh... don't you people have anything better to do that try to annoy > the > >hell out of others with this sensless crap? Give it a rest!

I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! :o) -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >A moose once beet my seester! >??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >Computer Systems Programmer >USAF Air-Ground Operations School >Hurlburt Field, FL >Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >>True! :o) >>I must be getting tired. >>-- >>Best regards, >>Bruce. >>====== >>The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >>http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet >>=============================================== >>>Lern to spell first b4 yuo even think of leeping intoo the werkforce. >>>*now that response would have been seriously satirical*

The moose...she bit him back, and then slapped him in the face with a wet fish! Cheers! ??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** Computer Systems Programmer USAF Air-Ground Operations School Hurlburt Field, FL Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

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>I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! >:o) >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >====== >The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet

writes:

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>I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! >:o) >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >====== >The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet >=============================================== >>A moose once beet my seester!

Dang, I GOTTA stop reading the NGs when I'm eating...It'll be SAFER that way...and cleaner... (cheerios all over my keyboard) <g> __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You talkin' to me boy??? :) -- Ponder this... Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to? Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra? If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? Barry Stoch - Warped Racing aka "Moose" http://members.home.net/bstoch > Ohh....the old "slap in the face with a wet fish" ploy, huh? > Poor moose! > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >The moose...she bit him back, and then slapped him in the face with a wet > >fish! > >Cheers! > >??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** > >Computer Systems Programmer > >USAF Air-Ground Operations School > >Hurlburt Field, FL > >Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ > >The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ > >>I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! > >>:o) > >>-- > >>Best regards, > >>Bruce. > >>====== > >>The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > >>http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet

Ohh....the old "slap in the face with a wet fish" ploy, huh? Poor moose! -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >The moose...she bit him back, and then slapped him in the face with a wet >fish! >Cheers! >??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >Computer Systems Programmer >USAF Air-Ground Operations School >Hurlburt Field, FL >Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >>I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! >>:o) >>-- >>Best regards, >>Bruce. >>====== >>The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >>http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet

The classic IRC slap : "Bob slaps around Sue with a large trout!" -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >Ohh....the old "slap in the face with a wet fish" ploy, huh? >Poor moose! >-- >Best regards, >Bruce. >====== >The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet >=============================================== >>The moose...she bit him back, and then slapped him in the face with a wet >>fish! >>Cheers! >>??Jan Kohl?? **The Pits Performance Team** >>Computer Systems Programmer >>USAF Air-Ground Operations School >>Hurlburt Field, FL >>Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/ >>The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/ >>>I don't know whether to feel sorry for your sister.....or the moose!!!!! >>>:o) >>>-- >>>Best regards, >>>Bruce. >>>====== >>>The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! >>>http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet

Perhaps he is having a bad spell? Or has had one recently? I know he is a bit edgy on this subject, after all he is 83, you know. And the elder folks are rather hung up with the virtues of the good old imperial days, where correct spelling was a sign of class... hehehe! Anyway, your spelling was to say it the least, adequate, I full understood your original post... :-) ---Asgeir---

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> Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread > with 'Learn to spell'... > -- > Kirk Lane > ICQ: 28171652

Hehe, Bruce, you certainly know how to annoy people, don't you? Well I think you are struggeling an impossible fight against sloppy spelling, the english language is on the verge of becoming changed as a matter of course, the way words are written comes from the dark age, we might adjust the spelling somewhat to make it a bit easier for us non-nativ english writers, yes? ---Asgeir--- > Learn to spell first, before you even think of leaping into the workforce. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ======

Those whose first language is English should be taught to use it correctly. Just as those whose first language is Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Albanian or even Norwegian should be taught to use their native language correctly. I am not advocating that English should become a universal language and nor am I suggesting that those whose mother tongue is other than English should be expected to master its bastardised spelling and grammar. However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is responded to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out illiterates. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Hehe, Bruce, you certainly know how to annoy people, don't you? >Well I think you are struggeling an impossible fight against sloppy spelling, >the english language is on the verge of becoming changed as a matter of course, >the way words are written comes from the dark age, we might adjust the spelling >somewhat to make it a bit easier for us non-nativ english writers, yes?

Correct spelling has never been "a sign of class" here Asgeir. A sign of a proper education....sure. But in Australia, never a sign of "class". -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Perhaps he is having a bad spell? Or has had one recently? >I know he is a bit edgy on this subject, after all he is 83, you know. And the >elder folks are rather hung up with the virtues of the good old imperial days, >where correct spelling was a sign of class... hehehe! >Anyway, your spelling was to say it the least, adequate, I full understood >your original post... :-) >---Asgeir--- >> Because I don't know why Bruce Kennewell replied to my post to this thread >> with 'Learn to spell'... >> -- >> Kirk Lane >> ICQ: 28171652

snip > However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application > that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is responded > to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of > contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers > these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out > illiterates. To value correct spelling and grammar in a Usenet post as much as in a job application is slightly silly, isn't it? l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

No, because it should become a habit, irrespective of what medium one is using. I'm sure that you would wash your hands after defecating irrespective of whether you did so in a public toilet or in your own bathroom. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >snip >> However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application >> that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is responded >> to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of >> contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers >> these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out >> illiterates. >To value correct spelling and grammar in a Usenet post as much as in >a job application is slightly silly, isn't it? >l8er >ronny >-- >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change >to take effect. Reboot now? > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> No, because it should become a habit, irrespective of what medium one is > using. > I'm sure that you would wash your hands after defecating irrespective of > whether you did so in a public toilet or in your own bathroom. Well, to stay in the context of your comparison: I don't give a shit about perfect spelling of Usenet posts... ;^) l8er ronny -- Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Probably because, like most of the readers and writers of the 1990s, you couldn't spell without the use of an on-line spell check utility and wouldn't have the faintest idea of how to use a dictionary. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >I don't give a shit about perfect spelling of Usenet posts... ;^)

Nonsense, IMO. I think it should be fairly old news now that the Internet is breaking down all sorts of communicative models. I receive email all the time from academics (including the director of our college writing program) that, if graded by your standards, would classify them as mental incompetents, as the non-hand-washing crowd. I assure you that, for the most part, they just realize that the e-world's models of grammar usage, spelling, etc., are rather loose and flexible. (Sort of like verbal communication.) If that gets your panties in a wad, then so be it--but don't pontificate (if I can use that word as a verb) that the universe "should" conform to your rather (again, IMO) overly regimented rules of discourse. Is there a hidden class thing going on here? And your correlation of "bad" grammar to bodily hygiene is, to say the least, a bit of a stretch. You really seem hung up about this whole issue. There is help available. DK

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> No, because it should become a habit, irrespective of what medium one is > using. > I'm sure that you would wash your hands after defecating irrespective of > whether you did so in a public toilet or in your own bathroom. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >snip > >> However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any

application > >> that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is > responded > >> to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of > >> contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers

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> >> these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out > >> illiterates. > >To value correct spelling and grammar in a Usenet post as much as in > >a job application is slightly silly, isn't it? > >l8er > >ronny > >-- > >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > >to take effect. Reboot now? > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> Those whose first language is English should be taught to use it correctly. > Just as those whose first language is Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Albanian > or even Norwegian should be taught to use their native language correctly. I do agree, but the spoken language is a living thing. It changes over time. And the written language change according to it, after some time (and this time is a buffer towards silly changes). On should think that the bigger distance there is between the spoken and written language , the more spelling errors there will be, but this isn't the case. I know french a bit, both the spoken and the written, and I must say that there exists an enormous distance, and still all french people know how to spell! The reason must be the educational system maintaining focus on written language, perhaps thinking that some of the french identity lies within the language! English on the other hand, has no identity embedded at all! Everybody on the planet writes english, ranging from the complete illiterates to the talented writers. And the english language has its own spelling ways. However, one of the primary objectives of using english (and extremely so on the internet), is the communicative side of it, getting through with your message. In other words, focus on content, not on form. This creates a entirely different approach towards language. People use english as a tool, not as something valuable in itself. I try to the best of my abilities to write as correctly as I can, as I am taught to do this, and because I think that language is more than just communicating one statment from on person to another... But, you have to realize as well that it can require a not subordinate amount of effort for the non-native english writers to maintain correct language and spelling. Luckily, I think I have sufficient knowledge of english (thanks to the norwegian educational system) to express myself without putting in a great effort. I have noticed the same phenomenon here in Norway, younger people of higher education cannot write correctly, neither spelling nor grammar, and there is a growing worry here in Norway, people just can't speak or write our language properly. But I still think you have a real chore when you're trying to fight for correct spelling on the internet, there are so many here with limited knowledge of the english language. But it might help if those whose first language is english would stop writing "your" instead of "you're" simply because they don't bother to find that ' on the keyboard... Some people take lightly on spelling and grammar, others don't. And, at times, I would appreciate very much feedback on faults, particularly on grammar, from the native english speakers, I really would. But most people on the internet seem reluctant to do this. ---Asgeir---

You know, there was a time when education meant or was even synonymous to class, and that was what I was referring to. But that was in the last century and earlier. More of a joke on your age than anything else, btw, but you understood that, of course! I hope that "class" has more to do with morale and ethics than correct spelling. these days :-) If there exists such a thing as "class" anymore... ---Asgeir--- > Correct spelling has never been "a sign of class" here Asgeir. > A sign of a proper education....sure. But in Australia, never a sign of > "class". > -- > Best regards, > Bruce.

LOL. A very suspect analogy but LOL anyway :)

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> No, because it should become a habit, irrespective of what medium one is > using. > I'm sure that you would wash your hands after defecating irrespective of > whether you did so in a public toilet or in your own bathroom. > -- > Best regards, > Bruce. > ====== > The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! > http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet > =============================================== > >snip > >> However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application > >> that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is > responded > >> to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of > >> contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers > >> these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out > >> illiterates. > >To value correct spelling and grammar in a Usenet post as much as in > >a job application is slightly silly, isn't it? > >l8er > >ronny > >-- > >Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > >to take effect. Reboot now? > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

I have never attempted to correct anybody on the Internet when I have known or suspected that their first language is anything other than English and nor would I be so presumptuous to do so. I also agree, to a certain extent, with your points regarding language being an evolving thing. I say, "to a point". New words are being added to language on a regular basis, which is a natural and wonderful thing. However, I do not subscribe to the belief that those words that have been around for centuries should be treated with contempt when it comes to the way in which they are spelt. After all, those words have been handed down to us from generation to generation for possibly hundreds, if not thousands, of years. That is what teaching others is all about....the passing on of knowledge, of customs, of wisdom, amongst other things. If we fail to teach our children to respect the structure of the words that go to make up the written form of their language, how can we ever expect future generations to effectively study our history? -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >> Those whose first language is English should be taught to use it correctly. >> Just as those whose first language is Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Albanian >> or even Norwegian should be taught to use their native language correctly. >I do agree, but the spoken language is a living thing. It changes over time. >And the written language change according to it, after some time (and this time >is a buffer towards silly changes). On should think that the bigger distance >there is between the spoken and written language , the more spelling errors >there will be, but this isn't the case. I know french a bit, both the spoken >and the written, and I must say that there exists an enormous distance, and >still all french people know how to spell! The reason must be the educational >system maintaining focus on written language, perhaps thinking that some of the >french identity lies within the language! >English on the other hand, has no identity embedded at all! Everybody on the >planet writes english, ranging from the complete illiterates to the talented >writers. And the english language has its own spelling ways. However, one of >the primary objectives of using english (and extremely so on the internet), is >the communicative side of it, getting through with your message. In other >words, focus on content, not on form. This creates a entirely different >approach towards language. People use english as a tool, not as something >valuable in itself. >> I am not advocating that English should become a universal language and nor >> am I suggesting that those whose mother tongue is other than English should >> be expected to master its bastardised spelling and grammar. >I try to the best of my abilities to write as correctly as I can, as I am >taught to do this, and because I think that language is more than just >communicating one statment from on person to another... But, you have to >realize as well that it can require a not subordinate amount of effort for the >non-native english writers to maintain correct language and spelling. Luckily, >I think I have sufficient knowledge of english (thanks to the norwegian >educational system) to express myself without putting in a great effort. >> However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application >> that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is responded >> to with a "thanks but no thanks." I can also state without fear of >> contradiction that this stance is being taken by more and more employers >> these days who are sick and tired of our education systems turning out >> illiterates. >I have noticed the same phenomenon here in Norway, younger people of higher >education cannot write correctly, neither spelling nor grammar, and there is a >growing worry here in Norway, people just can't speak or write our language >properly. >But I still think you have a real chore when you're trying to fight for correct >spelling on the internet, there are so many here with limited knowledge of the >english language. But it might help if those whose first language is english >would stop writing "your" instead of "you're" simply because they don't bother >to find that ' on the keyboard... >Some people take lightly on spelling and grammar, others don't. >And, at times, I would appreciate very much feedback on faults, particularly on >grammar, from the native english speakers, I really would. But most people on >the internet seem reluctant to do this. >---Asgeir---

You said it in so few words, DK! Why should I subscribe to your casual approach to the correct (or otherwise) spelling of written words that we also speak every day? You are simply wrapping laziness in a cloak of indifference and this claim that e-mail is a modern version of ***discourse and should not, therefore, be subject to the rules that govern the written word is one of the most pathetic excuses I have come across. To use your line of distorted thinking, if somebody, for example, applies for a job position on-line, via the medium of e-mail, then the spelling and grammar of that application can be of a lower level of accuracy and correctness than an application that is submitted in conventional fashion via the medium of writing on paper. Because, according to your approach, the applicant is actually speaking to the other party, not really writing to them. Is that correct? Interesting premise. Good luck with the rest of your college education. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Nonsense, IMO.

Sorry to yell, but... IT'S USENET FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!! NOT MY 7-PAGE TERM PAPER ON CHARLES***ENS AND HOW HIS LIFE INFLUENCED HIS WRITING!!!!!!!!!!! (ughhhh bad memories) And why is it always my post in this thread that seems to grab your attention???? As someone who gets A's and B's in Honors Freshman English (more or less Junior-level), I am hardly an illiterate! *deep breath* That felt good. Hopefully I won't have to do any more defending of my 'poor grammar/spelling'. -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119

Hi Bruce, I would like to point out your frivolous use of the word "and" directly preceding the word "nor" in the attached quote. The use of the word "and" in this case is completely unnecessary in written english; it tends to make your writing read much like spoken english. Furthermore, when using a conjunction to introduce a new thought in a sentence, it is considered grammatically correct to separate said conjunction from the preceding phrase with a comma. I'm a bit confused as to what type of punctuation you are attempting in your previous post. The use of ":-" is completely foreign to me. Also, the correct way to quote a phrase is to capitalize the first word of the phrase quoted. Therefore, in order to be grammatically correct, your quote below should read: "Thanks, but no thanks." Finally, you neglected to separate the two separate thoughts in the same phrase with a comma. While far from perfect, yours is the best written english I've seen. Congratulations, you're hired. Please report to usenet at 8:00 prompt on Monday morning. You may begin grammatically correcting every english-speaking person's post in the newsgroup entitled "-". If you do not have this newsgroup, please start with the newsgroup which is alphanumerically first in your news reader. When you are finished correcting the grammar in that newsgroup, please continue on to the rest of the usenet groups in alphanumeric order. Please feel free to skip the newsgroups "alt.english.usage" and "alt.usage.english", as these groups should have their own grammar correction systems in place. When you finish the newsgroup "zzz.3", or whatever newsgroup you have list alphanumerically last in your news reader, please report promptly back to rec.autos.simulators to post your English Grammar Status Report for Usenet. At that time you may begin again, correcting posts in the newsgroup "-", or whatever newsgroup is listed alphanumerically first in your news reader. Please do not forget to refresh your newsgroups before continuing. Thank you. Brett On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:47:43 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >I am not advocating that English should become a universal language and nor >am I suggesting that those whose mother tongue is other than English should >be expected to master its bastardised spelling and grammar. <snip>

Certainly. Thanks. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >Hi Bruce, >Please report to usenet at 8:00 prompt on Monday morning.

Brett! You ARE my hero!! :O)

Brett Reschke schrieb: LOL <wipping teers of my faice> l8er ronny -- How to get rid of censorship in German game releases <http://www.gamesmania.com/german/maniac/freedom/freedom.htm> |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>I've seen it all now! You need a life Brett! >Thom_j. >P.S. Fyi; I did not use any quotes! Hi Thom_j, Congratulations on your quote-free post! I would beg to differ about the needing-a-life thing. I have one already, and I don't think I need another. Ahem, try reading the entire thread before you work yourself into a lather and post a response. Or, you may try switching to decaf. -------------------- What is it lately? Everyone getting just a little tense about the GPL patch? Why doesn't everyone in RAS just turn off their computer, and go play outside for a while! :P ...except for Jack Rambo and everyone at Papy, of course. ;) Brett

Great stuff. Thanks Brett. Jens

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>Brett! >You ARE my hero!! :O) >> Hi Bruce, >> I would like to point out your frivolous use of the word "and" >> directly preceding the word "nor" in the attached quote. The use of

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Does the word ***mean anything to you?

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> Hi Bruce, > I would like to point out your frivolous use of the word "and" > directly preceding the word "nor" in the attached quote. The use of > the word "and" in this case is completely unnecessary in written > english; it tends to make your writing read much like spoken english. > Furthermore, when using a conjunction to introduce a new thought in a > sentence, it is considered grammatically correct to separate said > conjunction from the preceding phrase with a comma. > I'm a bit confused as to what type of punctuation you are attempting > in your previous post. The use of ":-" is completely foreign to me. > Also, the correct way to quote a phrase is to capitalize the first > word of the phrase quoted. Therefore, in order to be grammatically > correct, your quote below should read: > "Thanks, but no thanks." > Finally, you neglected to separate the two separate thoughts in the > same phrase with a comma. > While far from perfect, yours is the best written english I've seen. > Congratulations, you're hired. > Please report to usenet at 8:00 prompt on Monday morning. You may > begin grammatically correcting every english-speaking person's post in > the newsgroup entitled "-". If you do not have this newsgroup, please > start with the newsgroup which is alphanumerically first in your news > reader. When you are finished correcting the grammar in that > newsgroup, please continue on to the rest of the usenet groups in > alphanumeric order. > Please feel free to skip the newsgroups "alt.english.usage" and > "alt.usage.english", as these groups should have their own grammar > correction systems in place. > When you finish the newsgroup "zzz.3", or whatever newsgroup you have > list alphanumerically last in your news reader, please report promptly > back to rec.autos.simulators to post your English Grammar Status > Report for Usenet. At that time you may begin again, correcting posts > in the newsgroup "-", or whatever newsgroup is listed alphanumerically > first in your news reader. > Please do not forget to refresh your newsgroups before continuing. > Thank you. > Brett > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:47:43 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > >I am not advocating that English should become a universal language and

nor > >am I suggesting that those whose mother tongue is other than English should > >be expected to master its bastardised spelling and grammar. > <snip> > >However, as an employer, I can assure you of one thing:- any application > >that I receive in which the spelling is pathetically incorrect is responded > >to with a "thanks but no thanks."

Bruce: That's a nice looking red car. Brett: I like that car, too. Beautiful shade of red. Oddly enough, yesterday I got in an argument with a guy who insisted the car is maroon. [Thom_j strolls up] Thom_j: MAROON?! Are you off your rocker, man?! That car is RED! Brett: I know it's red. I was just explaining to Bruce that I was in an argument with a guy who insisted that the car is maroon. I KNOW it's red! I told the guy yesterday that if he thought it was maroon, he might as well call it purple, since he's so far off base. [bryan729 strolls up] bryan729: PURPLE?! You'd better clean your glasses! That car is RED! [Brett slaps forehead] [Camera pans out. Rod Serling steps in frame to give commentary...] <sigh> Read the entire thread. Please. Bruce, by the time this thread finally dies, you'll be the "why can't people write" guy, and I'll be the "why can't people READ" guy. ;-) Everyone have a nice day! Brett

LOL! Brett, you and my buddy Steve Blankenship should form some sort of literary team! You'd be on the New York Times bestseller list in a heartbeat! Jack www.RaceLive.com/GPaL

ROTFLOL!!!!! Thanks, Brett!! :o)

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> >Does the word ***mean anything to you? > Bruce: That's a nice looking red car. > Brett: I like that car, too. Beautiful shade of red. Oddly enough, > yesterday I got in an argument with a guy who insisted the car is > maroon. > [Thom_j strolls up] > Thom_j: MAROON?! Are you off your rocker, man?! That car is RED! > Brett: I know it's red. I was just explaining to Bruce that I was in > an argument with a guy who insisted that the car is maroon. I KNOW > it's red! I told the guy yesterday that if he thought it was maroon, > he might as well call it purple, since he's so far off base. > [bryan729 strolls up] > bryan729: PURPLE?! You'd better clean your glasses! That car is RED! > [Brett slaps forehead] > [Camera pans out. Rod Serling steps in frame to give commentary...] > <sigh> > Read the entire thread. Please. > Bruce, by the time this thread finally dies, you'll be the "why can't > people write" guy, and I'll be the "why can't people READ" guy. > ;-) > Everyone have a nice day! > Brett