What would you change in GPL?

If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. Tis about really... The Excelsior "ICQ #40620378"

> If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? > Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. > Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at > Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. H'mmm, I never get time to look at the buildings anyhow.... If I did, I would be straight into the next amco!!! WX would be nice, but not at the expense of frame rate.... maybe later eh! >>>> Wish List for Patch 1.1 <<<< I would like a 'save' option when you get dumped out of on-line race's! Also, to be able to 'stay-in' as spectator after being warped out.....! Any more? Dave Hawnt UK-GPL

I would like support for D3D or OpenGL. Also perhaps a "Tutor" type program that would look at your replay and say something like "Ok. You lost it in this corner because you were still braking hard when you turned. You can fix that by 1) braking earlier. 2) adjusting this, 3) adjusting that" etc etc. Might sound like a stupid question but does either of the manual that came with the Sim really explain all that stuff or does it just kinda say "This moves weight here". Not very good at RTFM'ing myself. Keep falling asleep or daydreaming about whupping James Garner at a high banked Monza. :-) Steve-S

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>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. >Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at >Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. >Tis about really... >The Excelsior >"ICQ #40620378"

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> Might sound like a stupid question >but does either of the manual that came with the Sim really explain >all that stuff or does it just kinda say "This moves weight here". >Not very good at RTFM'ing myself. Keep falling asleep or daydreaming >about whupping James Garner at a high banked Monza. :-) > Steve-S >>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >>Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. >>Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at >>Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. >>Tis about really... >>The Excelsior >>"ICQ #40620378"

Read the Manual. Steve Smith's strategy guide, "Four Wheel Drift" is worth the price of GPL, IMO. BTW...to add to the GPL wishlist, 3D sound support. -don

I'd like a ghost of my fastest lap when I start a lap in testing, i could see if i'm slower etc, would make it more interesting anyway, i'd also like riems, lemans, brooklands, brands hatch, monza oval etc etc ect maybe i'm just greedy -- Tim "Calm Down" Wheatley ________________________________________________ Tim Wheatley "Yellow menacing helmet in the mirror" http://start.at/igps_stats IGPS - Ferrari Challenge - UKGPL - Summer Cup Driver http://drive.to/grandprixlegends http://website.lineone.net/~nascar ________________________________________________

This is certainly in the un-necessary eyecandy department, but.... I would love to see the GPL driver heads bob back and forth and left/right like they do in GP2, it always amazed me in GP2 how real the other drivers looked. The GPL cars and drivers have a cool graphics detail where you can actually see the driver arms and steering turn as the wheels turn, but the driver heads look a bit like scale model cars/drivers without any head-movement or bobbing to the g-forces or bounces of the car. This is especially noticeable when the car flips upside down and it almost looks like the car is bouncing on the driver's head :P Like I said though, this is being really, really picky as long as we're talking about wishlists, I never really notice it in the important part of the simulation which is in the driving of GPL, only when watching replays do I notice the heads. Seeyas on the track. --John (Joao) Silva

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>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. >Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at >Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. >Tis about really... >The Excelsior >"ICQ #40620378"

Improve *ON* GPL or improve *IN* GPL? If I had the ability to persuade Papyrus to do the first I would have them recreate either the original Can-Am series, the Targa Florio of the 1960's or Le Mans of the same period. If it was a matter of improving the existing product I would simply like to see the Cooper and Honda cars depicted more correctly (rather than using the Brabham and Eagle), a simple method of selecting individual AI entrants for each GP and a SAVE GAME facility. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. >Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at >Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. >Tis about really... >The Excelsior >"ICQ #40620378"

a) True D3D or OpenGL rasterizer, no more beta. b) Fixed the collision detection for online racing. c) No more trackside objects that are simple billboarded bitmaps that have no substance. Utterly ruins the experience if you***up and slide through the grass and then through a large object that looks like its there but isn't. If you dont want to put it as a 3D object and its inside the "invisible walls", then just dont put it in. :? d) Fix the tree billboards so that they dont look bad when you get close to them. e) Instead of writing GPL2, put out some new track and car packs for say the cars/tracks of the Mario/Emmo/et al era. :) r) Release information on track and car file structures and how they work so that people like Paul Hoad who have been working on track/car editors have an easier time. g) For fluff, when viewing a replay have the option of converting that replay to an avi or mpeg file. Now that would be killer. h) I think rest of my "wants" have been addressed by Papyrus in the GPL1.1 patch. :)

Very good idea, especially when so many 3D cards _don't_ support 3Dfx. Good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a Directors feature, for the replay, so that we could edit them. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:16:44 +0100, "Tim Wheatley" >I'd like a ghost of my fastest lap when I start a lap in testing, i could >see if i'm slower etc, would make it more interesting anyway, i'd also like >riems, lemans, brooklands, brands hatch, monza oval etc etc ect All excellent ideas! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

>This is certainly in the un-necessary eyecandy department, but.... >I would love to see the GPL driver heads bob back and forth and left/right >like they do in GP2, Doesn't something like this happen in CPR? Actually, it's not all that _picky_. If they can include details like arm raising, and the ability to see the other cars steering wheel move, even in on-line races, they could have included this. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

We're all for realism in here! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

n Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:35:53 -0500, "Chris Schletter"

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>a) True D3D or OpenGL rasterizer, no more beta. >b) Fixed the collision detection for online racing. >c) No more trackside objects that are simple billboarded bitmaps that have >no substance. Utterly ruins the experience if you***up and slide >through the grass and then through a large object that looks like its there >but isn't. If you dont want to put it as a 3D object and its inside the >"invisible walls", then just dont put it in. :? >d) Fix the tree billboards so that they dont look bad when you get close to >them. >e) Instead of writing GPL2, put out some new track and car packs for say the >cars/tracks of the Mario/Emmo/et al era. :) >r) Release information on track and car file structures and how they work so >that people like Paul Hoad who have been working on track/car editors have >an easier time. >g) For fluff, when viewing a replay have the option of converting that >replay to an avi or mpeg file. Now that would be killer. >h) I think rest of my "wants" have been addressed by Papyrus in the GPL1.1 >patch. :)

What about pit stops? The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

What I would change in GPL is the "rev limiter" in F2 and F3. I'd like to see the full use of 10,000 rpm's in the ferrari but still have the HP the F2's and 3's have. > If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

The ability to race against someone else's replay would be superb. In fact combining ghost laps could revolutionise offline racing... and make some programmer's life hell, I'm sure :-) Other things on my mind for a while... 1) More than 2 initials in chat! Frequent "same initial" clashes occur. 2) The ability to edit replay camera views. Flanker (Su27 sim) has possibly the best mission recorder in the world, and the ability to edit the recorder views is brilliant. Something similar for GPL would be great. 3) I'd *really* like a better way of IDing other drivers in racing. A split helmet (left/right sides different colours?) or something similar would help. Or even something as unrealistic but useful as the toggleable ID labels in Falcon4. Andrew McP

>2) The ability to edit replay camera views. Flanker (Su27 sim) has >possibly the best mission recorder in the world, and the ability to edit >the recorder views is brilliant. Something similar for GPL would be great. Can't wait to see something like this in Driver, where you are the director of your own replays! Superb idea, and one which really annoys me in online racing! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:28:49 -0400, Michael Barlow > What I would change in GPL is the "rev limiter" in F2 and F3. I'd like >to see the full use of 10,000 rpm's in the ferrari but still have the HP >the F2's and 3's have. That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their maximum in these cars would also be fun. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:34:49 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >Improve *ON* GPL or improve *IN* GPL? >If I had the ability to persuade Papyrus to do the first I would have them >recreate either the original Can-Am series, the Targa Florio of the 1960's >or Le Mans of the same period. Damnit! I want my '55 Mille Miglia simulator! Or (and Wolfgang Preiss will back me up on this), 1960s British touring cars will do just fine. :-) Martin Nigel Mansell RIP!

What about them? They didn't do pit stops per say in 1967...if you did addon packs for 1970s racing then, yeah you would need a new code to handle pit stops.

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:16:44 +0100, "Tim Wheatley" >I'd like a ghost of my fastest lap when I start a lap in testing, i could >see if i'm slower etc, would make it more interesting anyway, i'd also like >riems, lemans, brooklands, brands hatch, monza oval etc etc ect >maybe i'm just greedy You have Brands Hatch now! :) -- Greger Huttu

I go further and shift into reverse. Then by flooring it, I can do a quick 180* ;-)

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> > That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their > > maximum in these cars would also be fun. > That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down > to first gear. <G> > This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... > Mark

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> This is certainly in the un-necessary eyecandy department, but.... > I would love to see the GPL driver heads bob back and forth and left/right > like they do in GP2, it always amazed me in GP2 how real the other drivers > looked. The GPL cars and drivers have a cool graphics detail where you > can actually see the driver arms and steering turn as the wheels turn, but > the driver heads look a bit like scale model cars/drivers without any > head-movement or bobbing to the g-forces or bounces of the car. This is > especially noticeable when the car flips upside down and it almost looks > like the car is bouncing on the driver's head :P > Like I said though, this is being really, really picky as long as we're > talking about wishlists, I never really notice it in the important part > of the simulation which is in the driving of GPL, only when watching replays > do I notice the heads.

Presumably you wouldn't want it to look *too* realistic when the car lands on the driver's head! Well, I suppose the wheels come off in realistic mode...

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:56:55 -0500, "Chris Schletter" >What about them? They didn't do pit stops per say in 1967...if you did >addon packs for 1970s racing then, yeah you would need a new code to handle >pit stops. In what way were pit-stops not done per-se? Even looking only at the Lotus team there were several succesful stops in '67 - for example Hill's at Silverstone, then again Hill at the Nurburgring. Without pitstops history would also have been deprived of Clark's stunning Monza drive. For online racing too they could be beneficial, allowing people to choose between nursing a mildly damaged car and pitting, rather than as at present choosing an undamageable car, the "penalty" of instant Shift-R or the race being over. Seems like a fair idea. Cheers! John

That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down to first gear. <G> This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... Mark

Actually it moves pretty accurately IMHO. Try to change your default cam to the side-pod. It's cameras that were not in the final release of GPL, so I don't remember what # they are. It's a camera placed about 2feet behind the driver to the right, at the same level as his head. You can clearly see how accurate the head physics are, in both acceleration and braking, and into the turns. Everything done by the 3d***pit somehow is from the head's accurate physics, since the camera moves in the same way as the head in GPL. That's why you see the***pit moves on the screen in-car. So IMHO it's pretty good :)> -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I would add GPaL and GSB into it.

Whilst pit stops were not a mandatory function until Ecclestone decided that they should be so, they were actually a normal part of Grands Prix. Fangios stunning victory at the 'Ring in the 250F Maserati occurred after a pit stop and Clarks drive at Monza in 1967 are just two that immediately come to mind. -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >> What about pit stops? >What about them? They didn't do pit stops per say in 1967...if you did >addon packs for 1970s racing then, yeah you would need a new code to handle >pit stops.

Change the default view? There are only two views in GPL (not inc. the replay). You can force your favourite view, if that's what you meant? The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 01:49:57 +0100, "Mark Seery" >> That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their >> maximum in these cars would also be fun. >That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down >to first gear. <G> >This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... This will not only blow an engine, but will also slow your car right down, probably cause you to spin, AND you will only be able to do it once before speeding up and doing it all over again. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:44:42 -0400, Michael Barlow

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> I go further and shift into reverse. Then by flooring it, I can do a >quick 180* ;-) >> > That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their >> > maximum in these cars would also be fun. >> That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down >> to first gear. <G> >> This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... >> Mark

Michael! You're still writing in HTML!!! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? The cars. If I could have SCGT's car selection with GPL's physics, I'd be elated. Tim

"You have still much to learn my young Padawan" ;-) Go in your X:\SIERRA\gpl\players\Player_name\player.ini Go to this line below : [ Personal Information ] drivingView = 1 ; driving view Change the driving view to a number. I think you can go up to 15 or 16. Now save and launch GPL into a race. You will see you will have a new camera setting for driving. The only problem is that if you ever press F10 to change view you will go back to the original in-car***pit after. But it works :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank> -- NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/ -- SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/ -- Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s. -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Fantastic! Thanks for all your help! I can see how these views are going to chip a few seconds off my lap times... I wonder why they didn't include more views in the full version, and if we will have easier access to them in a future patch? The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

>>If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >The cars. >If I could have SCGT's car selection with GPL's physics, I'd be >elated. Nah, I love these old GPL cars... They were so... bare! The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

Now that would be nice... :)

Can I please SHOOT that guy?

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> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:44:42 -0400, Michael Barlow > > I go further and shift into reverse. Then by flooring it, I can do a > >quick 180* ;-) > >> > That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their > >> > maximum in these cars would also be fun. > >> That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down > >> to first gear. <G> > >> This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... > >> Mark > Michael! You're still writing in HTML!!! > The Excelsior > "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." > Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

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On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:08:11 -0400, Michael Barlow > Can I please SHOOT that guy? Not before you get flamed for posting in HTML. Why on Earth you are so resentful to stick to etiquette, I don't know. The Excelsior "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country

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>On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 01:49:57 +0100, "Mark Seery" >>> That'd be nice, and being able to actually hear the revs reach their >>> maximum in these cars would also be fun. >>That's easy. Go to Monza, get up to full speed and then quickly change down >>to first gear. <G> >>This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... >This will not only blow an engine, but will also slow your car right >down, probably cause you to spin, AND you will only be able to do it >once before speeding up and doing it all over again.

You must be kidding. I think most of the people know what happens when you do that. :) -- Greger Huttu

Yeah but my bosses see the funny side to it when they have the race winners cheque in the bank .......I did say as a race winning celebration Mark

Fangios ?! Learn yer 'postrophes, bwah! We spell real gud heyuh! ;)

> For online racing too they could be beneficial, allowing people to > choose between nursing a mildly damaged car and pitting, rather than > as at present choosing an undamageable car, the "penalty" of instant > Shift-R or the race being over. > Seems like a fair idea. It would also make way for some great endurance races once we get the Prototype cars ready :-).... Imagine the 1000km's at Spa, Monza, Brands and the Nurburgring...:-) -- All the best, Edwin Solheim *remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply* The Paddock - a legendary site.... <http://home.c2i.net/thepaddock>

In order of importance 1/ All API support - i.e. D3D 2/ Racing in F2 and F3 modes 3/ AI slider 4/ A thinned down (lower bandwidth) online capability for the net 5/ Pitting

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> If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? > Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. > Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at > Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. > Tis about really... > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

You forgot "Clarks". The apostrophe is not mandatory for the possessive. In fact, when I was doing my primary and tertiary education, the apostrophe was only used to signify the contraction of (for example) "Clark is". It was rarely, if ever, used to signify "ownership". -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >> Whilst pit stops were not a mandatory function until Ecclestone decided >that >> they should be so, they were actually a normal part of Grands Prix. >> Fangios stunning victory at the 'Ring in the 250F Maserati occurred after >a >> pit stop and Clarks drive at Monza in 1967 are just two that immediately >> come to mind. >Fangios ?! >Learn yer 'postrophes, bwah! We spell real gud heyuh! >;)

That's some good proofreading there! Keep up the good work Bruce... =/ Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited

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> Can I please SHOOT that guy? >> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:44:42 -0400, Michael Barlow >> > I go further and shift into reverse. Then by flooring it, I can

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>> >> to first gear. <G> >> >> This is my usual way of celebrating a race victory.......... >> >> Mark >> Michael! You're still writing in HTML!!! >> The Excelsior >> "Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning..." >> Captain James Kirk [William Shatner], The Undiscovered Country >-- >========================================= >Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? >========================================= >Member of R.O.R. 1999 >http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html >========================================= >Racing online with the help of...... >Sim Racing Mag >http://www.simracingmag.com/ >Race Communications Association >http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html >Holodyne Engineering >Mystic Music >(have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

A superpatch to make it into a CART 3 of sorts :) -- Kirk Lane Tempe, AZ ICQ: 28171652 RMRL #119 >If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? >Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. >Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at >Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. >Tis about really... >The Excelsior >"ICQ #40620378"

oh, god. . . . sorry, but I don't see that in D. Hacker's _Bedford Handbook_, the Turabian manual, Strunk & White, or in the MLA handbook-- Can you give me a source? All mine indicate that the apostrophe IS indeed required for possessive (given the usual and well-known exceptions). I do know that in recent decades, British models have been moving away from over-punctuation (you see far fewer commas separating clauses, conjunctions, etc., in British academic articles, for example, than you will in U.S. journals). Maybe that's it. In any case, this thread has become (become?!) tiresome. Since I don't believe you're the type to relax your grammar policing effort, I'm now relaxing my attempts to tell you that that effort is futile, and often rude and almost always beside the point. My tablet's getting in the way of the Momo. DK

>You forgot "Clarks". >The apostrophe is not mandatory for the possessive. In fact, when I was >doing my primary and tertiary education, the apostrophe was only used to >signify the contraction of (for example) "Clark is". It was rarely, if >ever, used to signify "ownership". Fascinating information - that belongs into alt.usage.english, not rec.autos.simulators. BTW, the only printed matter I could find that has genetives without an apostrophe is the First Folio edition of "Mr. William Shakespeares [sic] Comedies, Histories, & Tragedies", published in 1623. Novels from the nine***th century already show the modern use of the apostrophe for possessives. You're not *that* old, are you? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

Almost! -- Best regards, Bruce. ====== The Stunned Mullet........seriously satirical stuff! http://welcome.to/the_stunned_mullet =============================================== >You're not *that* old, are you?

Yes? -- Bruce. >oh, god. . . .

A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch. Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching. Jens >> If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? <snip> --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

>A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch. >Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching. And how much fun that would be! :) Wrrrroooooommmmmmmmmmmmm - kreeeeeeek - chrrrr - chRRRRR - klonk. Btw, the new Alfa Romeo with the button shifter (the one that Jean Todt is doing TV ads for) has an auto-double-declutch feature in real life. Why exactly do you want to turn it off? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

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Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure :-) The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess. I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it. Jens >>A check-box to turning off auto-double-declutch. >>Of course then we need some new sounds for gearbox-screeching. <snip>> >Why exactly do you want to turn it off? --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

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> Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure > :-) > The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess. > I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it. > Jens

for ultimate realism you'd also need a force feedback h-shifter... so that you couldn't push it into gear until it actually goes into gear, and you can feel the graunches as you mis-time shifts, feel the increasing stickiness and crunching as you overheat and destroy all the dog-rings in the simulated gearbox, etc. :)

:> :> Could be the ultimate realism, paired with realistic gearbox-failure :> :-) :> The guys with clutch pedal would have alotta fun, I guess. :> :> I've no idea, if I could drive that thing. But I wanna try it. : for ultimate realism you'd also need a force feedback h-shifter... : so that you couldn't push it into gear until it actually goes : into gear, and you can feel the graunches as you mis-time shifts, : feel the increasing stickiness and crunching as you overheat and : destroy all the dog-rings in the simulated gearbox, etc. :) I think that with ultimate realism, when you crashed, your force feedback steering-wheel would break your wrist and the pedals (also forcefeedback), would surge forward sheering your ankles. Perhaps we can live without ultimate realism in force-feedback. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York. www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

> Damnit! I want my '55 Mille Miglia simulator! > Or (and Wolfgang Preiss will back me up on this), 1960s >British touring cars will do just fine. :-) Of course I do! :) -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

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Improve the realism of the AI. The unrealistic acceleration they get now when we get really fast is not the way to do it :o). Remove the feature where the AI automatically gets faster as we get faster, replace it with an AI setup... Three different chat-windows when online. One where everybody receives chat (good for race information from for example the host). One where only those in pit receives the chat (so, if you're in the pit, just chat away). One where you direct the chat to a certain driver. Remove the chase view, it's a sim for crying out loud :o). A feature where you could preset the grid, both online and offline. Add a feature so you can connect to an online race as a viewer. The next viewers who connects to the race gets the first viewers ip and connects to that computer instead, until that viewer host is full, then just let the viewers become viewer hosts. The race host only supports race data to the first viewer connected. I'm not going to explain the whole implementation here, the developers can figure it out by themself or write me :o). Use a very simple physics model for the AI, so _we_ get all the fps we need, cause the AI only have to look realistic, not feel realistic :o). Implement a feature so the sim can record how we drive and then let the sim use this information to let the AI drive the way we do; same racing line, braking points, turn-in points, apex, acceleration, top speed. I raced Alison Hine, Alan Orton, Asgeir Nesoen online in an F2 race yesterday, and they are around my lap times. I would love to race F2 AIs offline driving like these drivers, especially when there's no F2 races online... Remove the other cars tire squelling, especially if tire squelling is used as a help for substituting g-forces. I really dont like this feature online, especially noticable when you're trying to outbrake someone and they lock their brakes. It makes outbraking unrealisticly hard, IMO. Fix the sound ques... As of now you're at optimum grip when the tires squel during cornering, but you're at optimum braking when the tires do not squel??? I would like it to be more consistent. Since we have no feel of g-forces I suggest they do the tire squelling like in GP2 (the optimum grip is at a certain tire squel volume/spectra in relation to the engine volume, for you who haven't driven GP2). Only save driver input for replays and resimulate when the replay is played. This makes for replay file sizes a 10th of current (see GP2 for inspiration :o)). This will due for now... Dont know about rain, the F1 cars are as hard to drive as is, so rain would just make it ridiculous, which makes me think the physics need a bit polish... after that, rain would be nice :o). /Christer

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> If you could improve on GPL, what would you change? > Personally, I'd add in some weather effects. > Second, I'd fine tune the detail of the buildings, especially at > Monza, to look more like they do in SBK. > Tis about really... > The Excelsior > "ICQ #40620378"

You can do this yourself. GPaL, if and when it comes out, will help you do this even better. :? Maybe, but nonetheless you are clogging up bandwidth with chat anyways, so perhaps it should be saved for the SpyBoy interface instead? No, add the ability to set up your own viewpoint for the perspective that works best. It may be a decent attempt at simulating 1967 GP racing on a PC, but the PC has many inherent weaknesses and limitations that are imposed on it. If a driver can run better and cleaner in chase view, or rollbar view, etc than he can in***pit view, then I'm all for it. Now, that would be a nice feature. Why in the first place? I highly doubt there is a large audience for viewing a online racing with a bunch of yahoos in it anyways. And personally, I'd rather be racing than watching someone else's race. But nonetheless, your entire scheme (and I've read it on your page) doesn't work the way you envision it. Especially considering it would require that the GPL server hand over all data (through the internet) to the first viewer even if he can't or the server can't handle the load, in addition to handling the load of the actual racers. Only basic way you'd be able to do this maybe is to have a dual server mode that both have access to the same data, then one could be the racer's server and the other the observer server (which can lag behind slightly, does not have to have the exact up to second info) then the observer server can piecemeal info out to the viewers. I disagree here. Why? They can also be used to monitor how your opponent is braking too

When ever I can't continue in a race, I stick around and watch the battles. So, you can assume that there will be a few of us that would love to view league races as a spectator :) Plus, you can't say that there is no interest in watching an online race from non drivers till such a thing has happened in the first place. Then we would have a better idea of the numbers. With Roger Wilco, if I'm hosting a chat session with my IP and everyone else logs on, everything is fine and dandy.. When it's time to log off, RW will find the best connection out of the remaining connections and seamlessly connect everyone to that IP. For viewing online racing, this might be a good thing to check out. -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= Member of R.O.R. 1999 http://www.pivot.net/~marknjess/ror.html ========================================= Racing online with the help of...... Mark Seery ***sports [link lost in import] Sim Racing Mag http://www.simracingmag.com/ Race Communications Association http://members.xoom.com/RCA/toc.html Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here) mikeba.vcf < 1K Download

I believe GPaL will be the solution for this. You can also use AITweak for this. Fantastic idea, especially the pit-chat. Very irritating to see all the text while driving. Absolutely. Some of the famous hotlappers use this view (Woeger for example). I can't help it but I feel this is not really fair, I too find it easier driving from the outside view. But I NEVER use it because it is totally unrealistic. Personal thing I guess. Enter GPaL! Also a great idea. But randy, don't postpone 1.1 until this is implemented please, we can wait for these features until the 1.2 patch :) I think that the physics model of the AI is simplistic now. They look like a little bit real now, if you drop the physics of the AI even more they will look like stupid drone cars... You mean the ghost car feature like we've seen in F1RS? Would be nice. Untill that, try Spy Girl, a nice utility to merge two replay files to one. Just so you can see how you drive compared to others. Problem with spy girl now is that you can only use replay files from training mode, so you'll need some training replays from your hero's... You mean you don't want to hear the tire squeeling of other cars? Why not, it's realistic isn't it? I think that the car has the optimum grip just before you hear the tires squeeling. Brake until squeeling and get just a little bit of the brakes for optimum braking. I'll re-read my Carroll Smith books again to see if this is right. I think that is what happens just now, only driver data is saved. Juha, author of GPLDump can fill us up on this one I believe... Rain takes waaay to much processor time if it's realistic... All in all, some wonderfull ideas from you for the soon to come 1.2 patch :))) Andre

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> > Add a feature so you can connect to an online race as a viewer. The > > next viewers who connects to the race gets the first viewers ip and > > connects to that computer instead, until that viewer host is full, > > then just let the viewers become viewer hosts. The race host only > > supports race data to the first viewer connected. I'm not going to > > explain the whole implementation here, the developers can figure it > > out by themself or write me :o). > Why in the first place? I highly doubt there is a large audience for > viewing a online racing with a bunch of yahoos in it anyways. And > personally, I'd rather be racing than watching someone else's race.

Me, me, me :o)? You judge everybody on what you yourself will do, that isn't very fair, now is it :o)? I guess you have been doing the calculations? I have also done the calculations, and according to my calculations there is no problem with bandwidth or latency regarding this feature. Perhaps we should compare calculations? /Christer

> >A feature where you could preset the grid, both online and offline. > Enter GPaL! If this will be in GPaL, then great :o). I can wait for it to appear in GPL2, I'm patient :o). Not necessarily :o). No, I dont mean the ghost feature found in F1RS, and Viper Racing, and TOCA (both 1 and 2, I think) :o). You know normal offline racing, where you race the AI cars. Now imagine those AI cars driving like real sim racers from all over this planet. How should a feature work that make the AI race like other sim racers do. Well, just let the simulation record the behaviour of those sim racers, record a couple of starts, and a couple of laps, then add this information with the AIs racing behaviour (passing, lapping, etc). You will then get AI that race the racing line of the real sim racers, brake where they do, have their corner speed, acceleration and top speed, and have the AIs normal racing behaviour (passing, lapping, etc). I doubt it is, especially when you're sitting just in front of a screaming engine, I doubt you even hear your own tire squel. I have raced real FFords after driving a lot in GP2, and my first surprise was that I didn't here tire squel during hard cornering. This actually made it harder for me to drive at first, before I learned to drive with my ass :o). At the end of the day I was cornering so hard I lost the rear in almost all corners, but there was no tire squel. I had by then found the limits and by staying just below these I did some nice lap times, but that's another story :o). The only way I could tell I locked up my front wheels was by seeing them stop spinning, and this was in an FFord, which doesn't have a screaming V12 :o). So if all this is true ;o), then the tire squel is only in GPL and other sim racing titles to help us "feel" we are close to the grip limit, and in my opinion this feedback is much better done in GP2, or even GP1 for that matter. To Papys defense I can say that Geoff Crammond (father of GP1 and GP2) has had a much longer time to perfect this sound feedback :o). I know how to brake in GPL... well, kind of :o). I have done a low 1:28 in the Ferrari at Monza :o). The problem here is that you have no way of telling if you got off too much from the brake, until you hit the yellow stuff (gravel), so that would mean you suggest that I'll be pumping the brakes. A lot of braking in GPL is also done during camber changes, which also suggest pumping the brakes. As I've understood it this is not the way to brake effiecently in a race car. In a real race car you brake by feel, in GPL you brake by memory... Driver data and driver input is two different things. Driver input is steering wheel angle, throttle pedal angle, brake pedal angle and gearing with timing info, so the info can be put back into the simulation when the replay is resimulated. At 36 fps a 2 min lap should only take around 60 kb. Not really ;o). /Christer

>Why in the first place? I highly doubt there is a large audience for >viewing a online racing with a bunch of yahoos in it anyways. And >personally, I'd rather be racing than watching someone else's race. Don't knock it until you've tried it. I've watched a few races I've hosted on my work computer(no wheel, so no race), and it's a BLAST! __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I know how you feel. However, the crashing at the start is from BAD driving. Get rid the the bad drivers and you have a real race. I still have a problem with the original 3x3 or 4x4 grids. I've cured a lot of the initial crashing by using the staggered grid. Then, to help with the crashing in or near T1, I have joined a racing league. There is nothing that can be done while in open pick up races. So, expect the crashes to happen and try to avoid them. Mike Barlow

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> How about some collision detection options? > 1) Default. Current implementation > 2) Collision detection off. You can drive through other cars, but not > objects, walls etc. > 3) Collision detection off for first lap, or first x 100's of meters. > maybe an icon or counter somewhere on screen to tell you when it's > going away, when it's off. > Maybe make the option available only in Novice, Int. The default > would always be how it is now. But we'd have the option of doing > something to avoid the demo derbies that we get now at the start of > almost every race. > It would make for more interesting races I think. Not very realistic > but either is the typical VROC start right now. I think it would be > appropriate for Novice and Int races, shift-r isn't very realistic > either after all. > glen

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My big one is: improve the physics/road model. The proof would be that the ridiculuous low rider setups simply don't work, rather than having to put in an artificial ride height limit. bob

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