Actlabs Force RS or Logitec Wingman FF

I'm having trouble getting my hands on these wheels to try out so which would you recommend? I hear the Logitec pedals are a bit dodgy and the Actlab paddles don't sound too good. Any advice greatly appreciated Thanks -- Craig http://www.btinternet.com/~the.solicitors Great Song Lyrics, No2 Cheap Lovers Make Expensive Wives. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have the Logitech, one big reason I could actually see one at the local Best Buy (never have seen an ACT Labs in person). I really, really like it, and don't have a problem with the pedals. I'm starting to think a big thing with the pedals is whether you wear shoes or not when sim-racing. I never have, always bare feet or with socks, for extra control (and since my old CH Pedals didn't quite fit my size 10 Reeboks <grin>) Without shoes, the Logitech pedals seem fine to me - but when messing around for a few minutes waiting to go somewhere yesterday with the shoes on they indeed felt like they had no travel or tension. I think the way they're designed to go down into the base makes going "shoeless" mandatory, too much weight on them for the springs with shoes on, and not enough feel / travel with shoes on. So if you already go shoeless, or wouldn't mind doing so, give the Logitech a try. You can with some workarounds run CH Pedals or the like on the gameport in conjunction with the wheel if you really hate the pedals, but I think they get somewhat of a bad rap - I can control brake lockup better in GPL with these than my previous TM NASCAR Pro pedals (good travel, lots of tension) or Mad Catz Andretti pedals (huge amount of travel, little tension) - and have the better lap times to prove it. :-) -- Ken's Sig 3.0 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) geocities (dot) com volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com >I'm having trouble getting my hands on these wheels to try out so >which would you recommend? I hear the Logitec pedals are a bit dodgy and the >Actlab >paddles don't sound too good. >Any advice greatly appreciated >Thanks >-- >Craig >http://www.btinternet.com/~the.solicitors >Great Song Lyrics, No2 >Cheap Lovers Make Expensive Wives. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The ActLabs paddles do blow chunks, but their pedals are excellent. The Logitech has great paddles, and the pedals are OK with a "fix". I felt the RS wheel was too thick and uncomfortable. The LWFF is molded beautifully. You can add on the RS shifter in the future, and the RS can be used on an N64, PSX, Dreamcast, etc, with extra cartridges. go to http://www.force-1.com/ forum for more info. -- Remove "spam jammer" to reply Graffiti seen above a urinal in East Grand Forks, MN: "Please don't eat the big white mints!" My Yahoo! pager ID is Galley_SimRacer > I'm having trouble getting my hands on these wheels to try out so > which would you recommend? I hear the Logitec pedals are a bit dodgy and the > Actlab > paddles don't sound too good. > Any advice greatly appreciated > Thanks > -- > Craig > http://www.btinternet.com/~the.solicitors > Great Song Lyrics, No2 > Cheap Lovers Make Expensive Wives. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

<snipped stuff about driving and socks<g>> Last week I removed the wiring harness from my LWFF pedals and used it to rewire my CH pedals. I think I finally have the perfect Force Feedback wheel. Lockup and wheelspin are much easier to control, and I'm now able to trailbrake with some consistancy. I tried the Logitech pedals for 7 months, but reached a point where I felt they were holding me back, and now after a week, I'm glad I made the switch. I know this works with TM pedals as well and if anyone wants help with the conversion, let me know. don motor racing is life condensed around a moment...choose your moment

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><snipped stuff about driving and socks<g>> >>So if you already go shoeless, or wouldn't mind doing so, give the >>Logitech a try. You can with some workarounds run CH Pedals or the >>like on the gameport in conjunction with the wheel if you really hate >>the pedals, but I think they get somewhat of a bad rap - I can control >>brake lockup better in GPL with these than my previous TM NASCAR Pro >>pedals (good travel, lots of tension) or Mad Catz Andretti pedals >>(huge amount of travel, little tension) - and have the better lap times >>to prove it. :-) >>-- >>Ken's Sig 3.0 >>"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - >Obi-Wan >>Kenobi >Last week I removed the wiring harness from my LWFF pedals and used it >to rewire my CH pedals. I think I finally have the perfect Force >Feedback wheel. Lockup and wheelspin are much easier to control, and I'm >now able to trailbrake with some consistancy. >I tried the Logitech pedals for 7 months, but reached a point where I >felt they were holding me back, and now after a week, I'm glad I made >the switch. I know this works with TM pedals as well and if anyone wants >help with the conversion, let me know. >don >motor racing is life condensed around a moment...choose your moment

I wired up my old T2 pedals to the LWFF, big difference! I'm racing like I was before the LWFF. Can't wait for FF in GPL! Vintook

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:29:55 -0400, "Galley_SimRacer" >The ActLabs paddles do blow chunks, but their pedals are excellent. The >Logitech has great paddles, and the pedals are OK with a "fix". I felt the ><snip> What is this fix you're talking about? I just got myself a Logitech Wingman FF wheel, and although I thought the pedals were satisfactory, my barefoot feet get sore after a while... Is it a fix to reduce tension, or what? Thanks, --Mountain K

>What is this fix you're talking about? I just got myself a Logitech >Wingman FF wheel, and although I thought the pedals were satisfactory, >my barefoot feet get sore after a while... Is it a fix to reduce >tension, or what? >Thanks, --Mountain K The easiest thing to do is to replace the pedal springs with stiffer ones. The springs are simple coils and are easy to find in local hardware stores. There are ten screws under the Logitech pedals, remove them and seperate the two halves, noting the placement of the cables, pedals and springs. It's actually a very simple design, you can't really mess it up. Take the springs with you to the hardware store and look for something similar in diameter and made of thicker wire but not so thick that the spring binds before the pedal reaches full travel. Don't worry about the length, they can be cut to size. I used a slightly thicker wire under the brake pedal for a more natural feel. don

And the Mac... -Larry > and the RS can be used on an > N64, PSX, Dreamcast, etc, with extra cartridges.