I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing another one
to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from diamond.
Will I see a measurable performance increase with two cards running GPL, or
should I get the V3 3000? Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
Sondog
Second Voodoo2 for SLI or a Voodoo3 3000 for GPL?
Sondog asked whether to add a second Voodoo2 for SLI or buy a Voodoo3 3000 for GPL. Opinions differed: some said SLI gave real gains at 1024x768, others that the Voodoo3 was faster and allowed 1280x1024, with Hena Hakkinen noting SLI slowdowns are usually caused by vsync settings. Voodoo3 users needed to limit textures to 2MB, and the poster bought the Voodoo3.
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I have a voodoo 3 2000 PCI running GPL and it works very well (need the
glide patch from thePits.com though) - faster than SLI, but as a game
card, voodoo 3 may not necessarily be best in terms of future proofing &
also color depth is limited. TNT maybe the one to go for in the long
term. I am not that bothered - swapped the voodoo 3 for a gameboy and
they didn't have new TMT or any other next generation cards at the time.
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Don't waste your money on a SLI setup for GPL - it will more likely hurt
your framerates than improve them. Get the V3/3K instead.
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I have SLI with GPL.. and it works great.. I have a 333 and can get 36fps at
1024x768.. which is the main reason I got another. V3 is too expensive.
TNT2 isn't cheap and no-one knows if it works... V2's are now REALLY cheap..
so it may be the way to go.. if you wait.. you'll be waiting for ever.. I
think another V2 might be a good option.. What CPU you got??
James Pickard
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> I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing another one
> to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from diamond.
> Will I see a measurable performance increase with two cards running GPL, or
> should I get the V3 3000? Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
> Sondog
I was SLI for a while (It generated to much heat for my computer), I took
them out and I'm running a Voodoo3. I think the Voodoo3 is much better than
SLI.
I can get 1280x1024 in every game (that supports it).
The extra Voodoo2 is not worth the extra money. If you don't get a Voodoo3,
save your money.
I've been running V2 SLI for a few months now and am considering upgrading
too. Will V3 3000 straight out of the box work with GPL or would I need
anything special (I've done the glide 2.53 in my GPL startup dir thing).
Thanks,
Dennis
Can you get 12801024 in GPL? Every setup I've tried sticks the res down to
512384, even though it *says* 12801024.
MM
Yes, I can run 1280x1024 on my V3/3k, P2-300 with 36fps (except at
start) and all detail on. I actually run it mostly at 1024 because the
text is a little larger in chat mode for online racing and I have a
17' monitor. If I had a 19" or larger monitor I would run 1280x1024.
-Gary
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:46:38 -0700, "Mr Meaner"
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>Can you get 12801024 in GPL? Every setup I've tried sticks the res down to >512384, even though it *says* 12801024. >MM >> > I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing another >> one >> > to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from diamond. >> > Will I see a measurable performance increase with two cards running GPL, >> or >> > should I get the V3 3000? Any comments or recommendations appreciated. >> I was SLI for a while (It generated to much heat for my computer), I took >> them out and I'm running a Voodoo3. I think the Voodoo3 is much better >than >> SLI. >> I can get 1280x1024 in every game (that supports it). >> The extra Voodoo2 is not worth the extra money. If you don't get a >Voodoo3, >> save your money.What I saw as the biggest difference when going from 1 12mb V2 to an SLI rig
wasn't improved frame rates, but the ability to run 1024x768 at roughly
(slightly better) fps than 800x600 (except at the start or in the pits).
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huh? They are $99 in the U.S. Probably the one of the cheapest
video cards on the market. (and they kick ass!)
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Yes, you can. It becomes a little slow, however.
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>> > I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing another >> one >> > to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from diamond. >> > Will I see a measurable performance increase with two cards running GPL, >> or >> > should I get the V3 3000? Any comments or recommendations appreciated. >> I was SLI for a while (It generated to much heat for my computer), I took >> them out and I'm running a Voodoo3. I think the Voodoo3 is much better >than >> SLI. >> I can get 1280x1024 in every game (that supports it). >> The extra Voodoo2 is not worth the extra money. If you don't get a >Voodoo3, >> save your money.was an improvement, but with the V3 the CPU becomes the bottleneck. I now
the START of a race at 1024x768. The biggest improvement with a V3 is the
ability to run at 1280x1024. The new dashpanels in 16bit(I think) look
awesome at this res.
To summarize: get a second V2 if moneys tight - you will certainly notice
the improved framerates, get a V3 (preferable 3K) for future CPU enhancement
and the ability to run at higher res. A V3 3K at 1280 is faster than one V2
at 1024 on a Cel450.
>I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing another one
>to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from diamond.
>Will I see a measurable performance increase with two cards running GPL, or
>should I get the V3 3000? Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
>Sondog
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>>I have a 12mb Diamond Monster II and was considering purchasing >>another one to run SLI. I have the rebate offer of $50 from >>diamond. Will I see a measurable performance increase with two >>cards running GPL, or should I get the V3 3000? Any comments >>or recommendations appreciated. >Don't waste your money on a SLI setup for GPL - it will more likely hurt >your framerates than improve them.>>Don't waste your money on a SLI setup for GPL - it will
>>more likely hurt your framerates than improve them.
>That's bull. This is a common mistake to leave buffer swaps synced with
>monitor refresh. For some reason installing the 2nd V2 does this by
>default. I know for a fact that SLI is faster in GPL than single V2.
It's also commonly known that the V3/3k is faster than an SLI setup.
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>>>Don't waste your money on a SLI setup for GPL - it will >>>more likely hurt your framerates than improve them. >>That's bull. This is a common mistake to leave buffer swaps synced with >>monitor refresh. For some reason installing the 2nd V2 does this by >>default. I know for a fact that SLI is faster in GPL than single V2. >It's also commonly known that the V3/3k is faster than an SLI setup.Thanks for the advise guys it really helped me make a decision. I bought
the V3 3000.
Sondog
Why, the TNT2 cards are faster than the V2SLI for GPL. TNT2 Ultras are
better still. And yes, I have a TNT2 Ultra AND a V2SLI combo.
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The only thing I needed to do, was set the limit to 2 meg textures.
Works great.
Works great on all the other games I've got also.
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>> Very true, but that wasn't the point. I only pointed out that SLI is >faster >> in GPL than a single V2, the fact that you had misleading information on. >If >> someone has, say TNT2 card and a V2 and wants to keep them, it may be >> feasible to add another V2 to increase GPL performance. >Why, the TNT2 cards are faster than the V2SLI for GPL. TNT2 Ultras are >better still. And yes, I have a TNT2 Ultra AND a V2SLI combo.My V3 3000 card runs GPL very well. I do have to limit texture memory to 2mb
to keep the colors from screwing up.
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On my PII450 my V2 SLI was actually slightly faster then a v3 3000. I used
the George Smiley patch to get the proper textures. I returned the v3 3000
and will wait for the 3500. (I want the video in for my camcorder). I also
will enjoy freeing up 2 pci slots.
> My V3 3000 card runs GPL very well. I do have to limit texture memory to 2mb
upgrading
> > too. Will V3 3000 straight out of the box work with GPL or would I need
> > anything special (I've done the glide 2.53 in my GPL startup dir thing).
> > Thanks,
> > Dennis
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> to keep the colors from screwing up. > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn on Ten > http://members.home.net/d.burnette/Sportsman%204.htm > > I've been running V2 SLI for a few months now and am consideringYes, and at what resolution? 640x480. :)
Yes, 1024x768 and 15 cars is all I was using before and haven't changed it.
Mirror refresh set to 1. P2400 for the cpu.
What amazes me is that a lot of people *seem to be* considering a frame
rate of 26-29 fps "at the start" and "when there's a big wreck" as being
completely acceptable.
IMHO, those are precisely the instances (in an online race) when you
simply cannot function sufficiently unless your system is capable of 36
fps. I'm running a P2/450 (overclocked to 504) with 256mb of ram and a
voodoo2/12 card, and I can't get 36 fps all the time (including the two
instances I cited above) unless I run my detail bias at 90% and turn off
some of the object detail.
IMHO, connection quality and frame rate are much more important than
realism and eye-candy.
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Point, Set & Match.. Never knew RAS had Wimbledon competition
here also? Cheerio Folks.. Thom_j.
faster
> in GPL than a single V2, the fact that you had misleading information on. If
> someone has, say TNT2 card and a V2 and wants to keep them, it may be
> feasible to add another V2 to increase GPL performance.
> Hena
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> >>>Don't waste your money on a SLI setup for GPL - it will > >>>more likely hurt your framerates than improve them. > >>That's bull. This is a common mistake to leave buffer swaps synced with > >>monitor refresh. For some reason installing the 2nd V2 does this by > >>default. I know for a fact that SLI is faster in GPL than single V2. > >It's also commonly known that the V3/3k is faster than an SLI setup. > Very true, but that wasn't the point. I only pointed out that SLI isWe could all sit here and argue semantics all freakin day, but the
clearly smart purchase here would be a V3/3K. There's no point scored,
or match won.
In the end, the original poster bought a V3/3K.
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John this was my Point of "Point, Set & Match." No more.
No less.. Some of these threads just go on endlessly. You
know it.. I know it.. Whether it is a miss-spelled word, an
English lesson etc... I was not trying to single you out & if
it appeared to be I apologize! I feel it would be nice if we
had more "rec.autos.simulators" discussions instead of all
this "hair-splittiing".. All constructive comments welcome.
Cheers Thom_j.
I think what we're seeing is all of the Papy faithful going a little stir
crazy waiting for a patch on one sim, and for an update on another.
Everything has been discussed to death, so our only recourse is to attack
each other's opinions about the best hardware for a given sim.
Papy could solve the whole problem by releasing the GPL patch and a N3
demo... :-)
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