GPL & Voodoo 3 Promblems

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> Hi guys can any of you help, I was thinking of getting a Voodoo 3 3000 > for playing GPL, anyway I was over at a mates house who has one and we > fired up GPL and all the graphics looked corrupted with wierd lines > thru the trees and tracks and colors all out of sysnc, is there a > promblem with GPL and the V3 ??. He was using the default drivers > that came with the card. > Also will a V3 give me a big boost over my V2 12meg on a Celeron 300 > O/C to 375. > Hotdog

Install the GPL 1.1 patch and all (well almost) will be well! Or limmit the rasteriser to 2 megs in the V3 advanced setup... if you are using the original GPL. Yup, you should see an improvement in FPS and quality of graphics with the V3 Dave Hawnt UK-GPL

Hi, I just got the weaker V3 2000 and had no such problems? I have the latest GPL patch on... Meaning I'm ok then? -- Oliver Nikolic DP-MAX Computers http://www.dp-max.co.yu/ BeoRocket Racing Team (retired) http://www.beorocket.co.yu/ > > Hi guys can any of you help, I was thinking of getting a Voodoo 3 3000 > > for playing GPL, anyway I was over at a mates house who has one and we > > fired up GPL and all the graphics looked corrupted with wierd lines > > thru the trees and tracks and colors all out of sysnc, is there a > > promblem with GPL and the V3 ??. He was using the default drivers > > that came with the card. > > Also will a V3 give me a big boost over my V2 12meg on a Celeron 300 > > O/C to 375. > > Hotdog > Install the GPL 1.1 patch and all (well almost) will be well! Or limmit > the > rasteriser to 2 megs in the V3 advanced setup... if you are using the > original GPL. > Yup, you should see an improvement in FPS and quality of graphics with the > V3 > Dave Hawnt UK-GPL

Like a lot of people all over the world, I have spent hundred of hours racing GPL. Lately I've noticed the way I drive my real car has changed. For one thing, now I ALWAYS hold the steering wheel with both hands, at 9 and 3 o'clock, with my thumbs wrapped around the spokes, just like I hold the wheel of my TM Nascar Pro. But even more dramatic to me, I notice now I tend to make my turn- ins just a little early, and then make a lot of very small corrections to obtain my desired line. Before I would tend to make fewer but necessarily larger corrections, sometimes being a little late with the turn-in. Maybe this is a result of racing a lot at Spa, where it seems a late turn-in is usually pretty disasterous. Anyway, I seem to enjoy driving much more now after GPL, and my reactions to the car are MUCH quicker, although my real car doesn't handle very much like the Ferarri 312 :-) -Tony

Yup Either patch or limiting texture to 2MB Jens >Hi, > I just got the weaker V3 2000 and had no such problems? I have the latest >GPL patch on... >Meaning I'm ok then? --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address

I've noticed similar effects, even though my vehicle (a 72 VW van) is not quite as powerful as the GPL cars. ;-) But the training is still useful ... for example we have a new puppy dog in our house, and I took her out for one of her first car rides the other day. So I was using GPL-type driving to minimize acceleration/deceleration and lateral g-forces.

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>Like a lot of people all over the world, I have spent hundred of hours racing >GPL. Lately I've noticed the way I drive my real car has changed. For one >thing, now I ALWAYS hold the steering wheel with both hands, at 9 and 3 >o'clock, with my thumbs wrapped around the spokes, just like I hold the wheel >of my TM Nascar Pro. But even more dramatic to me, I notice now I tend to make >my turn- ins just a little early, and then make a lot of very small corrections >to obtain my desired line. Before I would tend to make fewer but necessarily >larger corrections, sometimes being a little late with the turn-in. Maybe this >is a result of racing a lot at Spa, where it seems a late turn-in is usually >pretty disasterous. Anyway, I seem to enjoy driving much more now after GPL, >and my reactions to the car are MUCH quicker, although my real car doesn't >handle very much like the Ferarri 312 :-) >-Tony

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Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close :o). /Christer >Like a lot of people all over the world, I have spent hundred of hours racing >GPL. Lately I've noticed the way I drive my real car has changed. For one >thing, now I ALWAYS hold the steering wheel with both hands, at 9 and 3 >o'clock, with my thumbs wrapped around the spokes, just like I hold the wheel >of my TM Nascar Pro. But even more dramatic to me, I notice now I tend to make >my turn- ins just a little early, and then make a lot of very small corrections >to obtain my desired line. Before I would tend to make fewer but necessarily >larger corrections, sometimes being a little late with the turn-in. Maybe this >is a result of racing a lot at Spa, where it seems a late turn-in is usually >pretty disasterous. Anyway, I seem to enjoy driving much more now after GPL, >and my reactions to the car are MUCH quicker, although my real car doesn't >handle very much like the Ferarri 312 :-) >-Tony

> Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to > change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close > :o). I was pretty close yesterday, let go my clutch to early :o But the worst thing is when driving my real car is that I always try to find the perfect line. Like in a right turn, it first put my left tires on the middle line of the road, then try to hit the apex at the left line in the middle of the corner, and then out to the middle line again. It's actually very cool on wide roads. But it must look very stupid :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

> > Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to > > change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close > > :o). > I was pretty close yesterday, let go my clutch to early :o Last year i was driving my mother's car one day and suddenly realised that during the shift I had just done I had completley forgotten to use the clutch. Sure, I happened to pull it off perfectly, but I've never let myself do that again :) i do that all the time too :) I figure that we only look stupid to people who have no clue about how to drive well. Their opinion of us doesn't count :) Instead, what I think looks really stupid is when I'm swerving around on a straight road to avoid hitting all the potholes and man-hole covers that stick out an inch or so. My car has pretty darn stiff suspension and low profile tires so I don't want to damage the tires/rims or make my CD player skip. But of course I try to find the optimal line through the potholes and man-hole covers too... :) Grant.

What would really say that you're driving like you would online is when you crash before you get to the end of the block ;-)

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> > > Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to > > > change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close > > > :o). > > I was pretty close yesterday, let go my clutch to early :o > Last year i was driving my mother's car one day and suddenly realised > that during the shift I had just done I had completley forgotten to use > the clutch. Sure, I happened to pull it off perfectly, but I've never > let myself do that again :) > > But the worst thing is when driving my real car is that I always try to find > > the perfect line. Like in a right turn, it first put my left tires on the > > middle line of the road, then try to hit the apex at the left line in the > > middle of the corner, and then out to the middle line again. It's actually > > very cool on wide roads. But it must look very stupid :) > i do that all the time too :) I figure that we only look stupid to > people > who have no clue about how to drive well. Their opinion of us doesn't > count :) > Instead, what I think looks really stupid is when I'm swerving around on > a > straight road to avoid hitting all the potholes and man-hole covers that > stick out an inch or so. My car has pretty darn stiff suspension and low > profile tires so I don't want to damage the tires/rims or make my CD > player > skip. But of course I try to find the optimal line through the potholes > and > man-hole covers too... :) > Grant.

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>> Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to >> change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close >> :o). >I was pretty close yesterday, let go my clutch to early :o >But the worst thing is when driving my real car is that I always try to find >the perfect line. Like in a right turn, it first put my left tires on the >middle line of the road, then try to hit the apex at the left line in the >middle of the corner, and then out to the middle line again. It's actually >very cool on wide roads. But it must look very stupid :)

I, too, try to find the perfect line (within the limits of my lane and - generally - of the speed limit.) There is a chicane (literally, it's meant to slow down cars entering or exiting a village) on a road I drive on regularly. On the way out of the village, it goes left-right-left, and on the right side, there are some flat curbs. Recently, somebody painted the curbs alternatingly red and white. I mean, that's a deliberate temptation, isn't it? :) BTW: I recently saw how beneficial sim racing can be for driving in the real world: I was driving on the Autobahn and saw some smoke above the track^M^M road ahead. I could not see what was the cause, but, being sim-trained, I concluded "accident" immediately, rather than assuming the more probable explanation - a peasant burning some straw next to the road, or something like this. Anyway, I slowed down a bit and when I came around the kink in the road - bingo, a car had spun and crashed against the center guardrail. [I wonder how the driver managed to spin there - it's a passage that can be taken with 120 mph and more without a problem, provided the right car.] Well, there never was a real danger for me, since my car does not do more than 80 mph downhill with a strong wind pushing, and I always would have had enough time to see the crash before having to participate in it. But in a faster car, the situational awareness provided by extensive simracing might have actually saved me some serious trouble. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

>Anyway, I slowed down a bit and when I came around the kink in the >road - bingo, a car had spun and crashed against the center guardrail. >[I wonder how the driver managed to spin there - it's a passage that >can be taken with 120 mph and more without a problem, provided the >right car.] Probably a Porsche 911. No wait, I forgot, those don't oversteer. ;-) Joe McGinn ========================================== Staff Writer for the Sports *** Network [link lost in import: /***.com/] ==========================================

This is quite dangerous isn't it? The priority should always to give yourself maximum visibility ahead. Sorry to be serious, but GPL doesn't have many cars coming the other way, and a nice man with a flag tells you if there's a problem ahead! Andrew McP

>Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to >change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close >:o). Go right ahead. I was doing this long before I owned a computer. Don McCorkle Libertarian Motorsports

False. It is very possible to shift gears in a syncomesh trans without using the clutch. It just isn't as easy. -Tony

How is that actually done?? Neutral - blip - gear?? I've tried it only to be greeted by some serious protest from my gearbox. Also I've been told it's impossible to do on a synchronised gearbox... true or false? Jan. ------ ><snip>

: How is that actually done?? Neutral - blip - gear?? I've tried it only to : be greeted by some serious protest from my gearbox. Also I've been told it's : impossible to do on a synchronised gearbox... true or false? Certainly not impossible. I drove 400km home from a canoe trip with a broken clutch cable. Luckily it was rural Ontario (Canada) so I only had to completely stop a handful or times (got going again on the starter motor while in first gear - not a pretty sight). anyway, one way it to apply light pressure on the shifter while you play the throttle - when the gearbox input and output shaft speeds match, the synchros will allow the gear to slip in. This, however, is hell on the synchros. My synchros were already worn, so I just pulled it to neutral, matched engine revs with road speed, then jammed it into the next gear. you're right, though, it works much better on a race box without synchros. Stephen

> > But the worst thing is when driving my real car is that I always > > try to find the perfect line. > This is quite dangerous isn't it? The priority should always to give > yourself maximum visibility ahead. Very true, but noone with the sanity intact (which exclude everyone on r.a.s.) would only do that withing the limit of the lane you are in, and the variation is only about one meter or so, so the visibility issue isn't that much. On a very narrow road with a steep mountainside on one hand and a 300 metre drop into the fjord on the other, a very common scenery of the western part of Norway, you have to think visibilty, and traffic ahead. You generally have to concentrate so much to keep the car on the road that semi-racing isn't even thought of. But of course, such driving would only be recommended on very flat terrain, with good visibility and wide lanes. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:34:41 -0400, Michael Barlow > What would really say that you're driving like you would online is when >you crash before you get to the end of the block ;-) Is that just after the traffic lights change and you wipe out six others cars in doing so? :-) Cheers! John

When applying the slight pressure, should I hear a grinding noise or not? Jan. ------

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><snip> >Certainly not impossible. I drove 400km home from a canoe trip with a >broken clutch cable. Luckily it was rural Ontario (Canada) so I only had >to completely stop a handful or times (got going again on the starter >motor while in first gear - not a pretty sight). anyway, one way it to >apply light pressure on the shifter while you play the throttle - when the >gearbox input and output shaft speeds match, the synchros will allow the >gear to slip in. This, however, is hell on the synchros. My synchros were >already worn, so I just pulled it to neutral, matched engine revs with >road speed, then jammed it into the next gear. you're right, though, it >works much better on a race box without synchros. >Stephen

Actually that's the perfect place... then you only damage yourself, not anyone else on the road :-) Andrew McP

There should be no "significant" grinding noise at the point where you match engine speed to the geartrain (tough to do for more than an instant). As long as you don't use more than slight pressure on the shifter, you will not be damaging anything even with the gear clash sound. Of course that depends a lot, too, on the ***. My old '68 Chevrolet truck could be shifted without clutching but it was very hard to get it right. My '87 Mazda truck simply will not go into gear without clutching, though (so far). not? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

> > On a very narrow road with a steep mountainside on one > > hand and a 300 metre drop into the fjord on the other > Actually that's the perfect place... then you only damage yourself, not > anyone else on the road :-) True and Not True :P On a road like that it is extremely important to keep as much to the right of the road as you can, because the locals use to drive ridiculously fast, because they count on everyone keeping to the right, and not in the middle of the road :) It is still safer to sway a bit left and right of your _lane_ on a wide open road than on a narrow one. The important thing is still to never ever try to hit the real apex of a left hand corner, (that's the right one for those of you who haven't learned to drive yet :P) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

False Jan. I do it all the time. It's just a question of getting the revs right. Mark > How is that actually done?? Neutral - blip - gear?? I've tried it only to > be greeted by some serious protest from my gearbox. Also I've been told it's

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> impossible to do on a synchronised gearbox... true or false? > Jan. > ------ > ><snip>

Aha. When I do this in future and when starting off in first gear, I can now stop forcing the wife to frop the car off the jack with the wheels spinning ;-) Mark LOL > : How is that actually done?? Neutral - blip - gear?? I've tried it only to > : be greeted by some serious protest from my gearbox. Also I've been told it's

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> : impossible to do on a synchronised gearbox... true or false? > Certainly not impossible. I drove 400km home from a canoe trip with a > broken clutch cable. Luckily it was rural Ontario (Canada) so I only had > to completely stop a handful or times (got going again on the starter > motor while in first gear - not a pretty sight). anyway, one way it to > apply light pressure on the shifter while you play the throttle - when the > gearbox input and output shaft speeds match, the synchros will allow the > gear to slip in. This, however, is hell on the synchros. My synchros were > already worn, so I just pulled it to neutral, matched engine revs with > road speed, then jammed it into the next gear. you're right, though, it > works much better on a race box without synchros. > Stephen

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>There should be no "significant" grinding noise at the point where you >match engine speed to the geartrain (tough to do for more than an >instant). As long as you don't use more than slight pressure on the >shifter, you will not be damaging anything even with the gear clash >sound. Of course that depends a lot, too, on the ***. My old '68 >Chevrolet truck could be shifted without clutching but it was very hard >to get it right. My '87 Mazda truck simply will not go into gear >without clutching, though (so far).

It will get easier as soon as the synchromesh rings are worn. :) For those of you who just want to test the principle of matching speed, revs and pressure, without killing transmissions, try going *out* of gear without the clutch. While coasting to a red light, apply a bit of throttle and try to shift to neutral. You will find that there's a sweet spot where it is very easy to get out of gear. As a next step, you simply have to find that same spot when going *into* gear. Easy, isn't it? :) BTW, if I understood things correctly, one of the reasons why it is so difficult to shift a standard gearbox without clutching is this: The teeth of the gears in 'civilian' gearboxes are tilted (I don't know what it's called in English - the german word is "schraegverzahnt", as if that would help anyone... :) They look like this when viewed from above: /////// The benefit is that they can transmit more torque and, more importantly for normal cars, the gears don't sing. (Old) racing gears have straight teeth: ||||||| They are more noisy (on some older normal gearboxes, the reverse gear is built like this. When driving backwards, one hears this annoying sound) but easier to shift without a clutch or synchromesh. >> When applying the slight pressure, should I hear a grinding noise or >not? -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

Show me sometime... ;-) Jan. ------ >False Jan. I do it all the time. It's just a question of getting the revs >right. >Mark ><snip>

No doubt. I think it has for us all. The only thing is... I can't get this frimmm frammin' frippy dipsnizzitz SHIFT+R to work in my trooper. -- Mark Jeangerard www.soundchaserweb.com New Mexico USA

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> (I don't know what it's called in English - the german word is "schraegverzahnt", > as > if that would help anyone... :) > They look like this when viewed from above: > ///////

In English they are know as "bevel cut" as opposed to "straight cut" -Tony

Sure will mate but BEFORE we hit that Irish bar :-) Mark

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> Show me sometime... ;-) > Jan. > ------ > >False Jan. I do it all the time. It's just a question of getting the revs > >right. > >Mark > ><snip>

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>> (I don't know what it's called in English - the german word is "schraegverzahnt", >> as >> if that would help anyone... :) >> They look like this when viewed from above: >> /////// >In English they are know as "bevel cut" as opposed to "straight cut"

Thanks, Tony. I thought the expression "bevel" was reserved for gears which have a conical shape, like the ones in the differential. -- Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

It might be a good way to get a racecar round a corner but for driving any vehicle on public roads where there is two way traffic it is the wrong technique because it does not seek to maximise the forward visibility. -- Suck The Goat

>Something I've noticed is that in my real car I'm sometimes very close to >change gear without clutching. It hasn't happen yet, but I've been close >:o). After a particularly intense day of GPL, I went to get something to eat. While accelerating, I kept reaching to stab the gearshift lever... I drive an AUTOMATIC, folks... :-) Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: I never understood WHY it made that noise. Thanks!. Eldred __ Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea... remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

eat. While accelerating, I kept reaching to stab the gearshift lever... Back when ICR1 was new, I played it alot...It had Mega Brakes and lots of downforce so as a newbie sim driver, I learned ZERO about lines and such. Once Icr2 came out...I was hopelessly ruined... But in the real world, I used to scare my family cuz even at stoplights I'd be waiting til the very LAST possible moment to brake, and then I'd brake HARD. :> And tailgaiting??? Even my wife didn't want to be a passenger... dave henrie