NR2003 cheating.

Ok, we've determined cheating is happening (see McWhoms post) my question is other than viewing an extreme example like what that replay showed is their a reliable accurate way to determine if someone is actually cheating? Is that why cheating is just an accepted fact of Papy simracing? (and yes Don Wilshe Ive heard you go about this before here in the ng). If we cant accurately reliably determine if someone actually is cheating then why complain?. The only real answer is to choose the series you run in carefully and hope the admins have enough control to weed out suspected cheaters. I ran in a LAN event (N4 days) which was strictly monitored and funny enough no one dominated during the entire event. Coincidence or foul play. Seeing how we cant monitor closely then what other options are available? I'd love to hear a comment from a Papy guy like Eric Busch on ways to identify cheating. Mitch

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:31uwb.46568$[email hidden]... > Ok, we've determined cheating is happening (see McWhoms post) my questionis > other than viewing an extreme example like what that replay showed istheir > a reliable accurate way to determine if someone is actually cheating? Is > that why cheating is just an accepted fact of Papy simracing? (and yesDon > Wilshe Ive heard you go about this before here in the ng). > > If we cant accurately reliably determine if someone actually is cheating > then why complain?. The only real answer is to choose the series you runin > carefully and hope the admins have enough control to weed out suspected > cheaters. > > I ran in a LAN event (N4 days) which was strictly monitored and funnyenough > no one dominated during the entire event. Coincidence or foul play.Seeing > how we cant monitor closely then what other options are available? I'dlove > to hear a comment from a Papy guy like Eric Busch on ways to identify > cheating. > > Mitch > > IIRC, The Racesevers people were looking at a client-side app that would check out all the client's running progs at the time of an event to assure no one was running any TSRs that could hack memory addresses and or change values once the sim was running and connected to one of their rated servers. At the end of a race, the app produced a report that is sent to RS and checked for *illegal* activities before the scoring was made official. Something like that, haven't heard much about it lately as my league is on hiatus, and AFAIK, no one in there was cheating to begin with... Other than that, its pretty much just called league racing, you let people you know and trust in and cast a watchful eye on any new members. That's about the best one could do I'd imagine.

that's called Spyware, no one really wants that from a third party product. If it was released by Papy though, that would be different. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SEuwb.9284$[email hidden]... >

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > that's called Spyware, no one really wants that from a third partyproduct. > If it was released by Papy though, that would be different. > > Well, ok, but RS is a respected entity in the sim racing community. I don't think they'll scope out the porn on your machine if that's what you're worried about...(and spyware is transparent/invisible, you install this on your own, in order to curtail the cheating, smarty pants). Outside of hosting dutuies, I don't think their app was anymore invasive than the crapped up redirector that OLR used to use. Of course you're above that too, huh? What you hiding on that machine of yours?

LOL Respected by who? I've never once used Raceserver. But, that's not the point. It's called privacy. Its nobody's business what is on my machine. I'm not hiding anything but it's still noone's business. If the app was incorporated by Papyrus, that's one thing. But to say I'm gonna let RS send back what is currently running on my computer or whatever their "TSR" is sending to their site is absurd. I dont know those people, why should I? I had the OLR redirector, btw, smart butt, and still use OLR. That's race specific information and I know who those folks are. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4hvwb.9300$[email hidden]...

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> > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > that's called Spyware, no one really wants that from a third party > product. > > If it was released by Papy though, that would be different. > > > > > > Well, ok, but RS is a respected entity in the sim racing community. I

don't > think they'll scope out the porn on your machine if that's what you're > worried about...(and spyware is transparent/invisible, you install this on > your own, in order to curtail the cheating, smarty pants). Outside of > hosting dutuies, I don't think their app was anymore invasive than the > crapped up redirector that OLR used to use. Of course you're above thattoo, > huh? What you hiding on that machine of yours? > >

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:31uwb.46568$[email hidden]... > Ok, we've determined cheating is happening (see McWhoms post) my questionis > other than viewing an extreme example like what that replay showed istheir > a reliable accurate way to determine if someone is actually cheating?<snippage> I've scanned previous posts and haven't had any luck finding one from McWhom which deals with the issue of cheating, but I am curious just what the replay showed which alerted you to cheating activity......As Simracer points out, it's not impossible to cheat with 3rd party programs running in the background, I've heard about it since n2 days, but have never actually seen it work. Especially in a fixed setup environment, noone should be THAT much faster than anyone else, but we all know that some folks just are, whether from practice, or the setup suits their style, they're having a good day, or whatever......but it's awfully hard to say that just because this guy gets around the track .5 secs faster than everyone else, that he's cheating. So I'd like to hear what you folks have found, if just for my own information. Feel free to email...... Ed

In article <I1wwb.34587$[email hidden]>, Ed White <[email hidden]> writes <snip> > >but it's awfully hard to say that just because this guy gets >around the track .5 secs faster than everyone else, that he's cheating. So >I'd like to hear what you folks have found, if just for my own information. >Feel free to email...... The guy went from doing 47 second laps to doing 44 second laps, and literally just accelerated away into the distance. -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -25.01

His Topic was NR2k3 and cheating maybe you have him blocked? LOL 11/20/2003 (120:06 PM ((Central time (-6hrs GMT) ))) is the date and time... "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I1wwb.34587$[email hidden]... > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:31uwb.46568$[email hidden]... > > Ok, we've determined cheating is happening (see McWhoms post) myquestion snip

snipped from a few days ago Ed. On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:19:43 GMT, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: >If you can email it to me, I'll throw it up on the web. As promised (thanks for the email Sean): http://firebrand11.stargate.net/N2003/fastclip.rpy Watch the #32 car for a bit. Jason "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I1wwb.34587$[email hidden]... >say that just because this guy gets > around the track .5 secs faster than everyone else, that he's cheating. So > I'd like to hear what you folks have found, if just for my owninformation. > Feel free to email...... > Ed > >

a 44 seconde lap at Daytona. EL "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I1wwb.34587$[email hidden]... > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:31uwb.46568$[email hidden]... > > Ok, we've determined cheating is happening (see McWhoms post) myquestion > is > > other than viewing an extreme example like what that replay showed is > their > > a reliable accurate way to determine if someone is actually cheating? > <snippage> > I've scanned previous posts and haven't had any luck finding one fromMcWhom > which deals with the issue of cheating, but I am curious just what the > replay showed which alerted you to cheating activity......As Simracerpoints > out, it's not impossible to cheat with 3rd party programs running in the > background, I've heard about it since n2 days, but have never actuallyseen > it work. Especially in a fixed setup environment, noone should be THATmuch > faster than anyone else, but we all know that some folks just are, whether > from practice, or the setup suits their style, they're having a good day,or > whatever......but it's awfully hard to say that just because this guy gets > around the track .5 secs faster than everyone else, that he's cheating. So > I'd like to hear what you folks have found, if just for my owninformation. > Feel free to email...... > Ed > >

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:57:44 GMT, "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've scanned previous posts and haven't had any luck finding one from McWhom >which deals with the issue of cheating, but I am curious just what the >replay showed which alerted you to cheating activity...... http://firebrand11.stargate.net/N2003/fastclip.rpy Watch #32.

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>As Simracer points >out, it's not impossible to cheat with 3rd party programs running in the >background, I've heard about it since n2 days, but have never actually seen >it work. Especially in a fixed setup environment, noone should be THAT much >faster than anyone else, but we all know that some folks just are, whether >from practice, or the setup suits their style, they're having a good day, or >whatever.....

The cheat/bug in question is setup related and does not occur in fixed races. To the best of my knowledge, the old RAM cheats do not work nor has anyone been able to demonstrate that they do. Jason

Well the change in the subject pretty much says it all. Can we get something like PunkBuster for this sim? Either from Papyrus or some other third party group. If we have something like this then maybe we can end some of this brainless cheating. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:57:44 GMT, "Ed White" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've scanned previous posts and haven't had any luck finding one fromMcWhom

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> >which deals with the issue of cheating, but I am curious just what the > >replay showed which alerted you to cheating activity...... > > http://firebrand11.stargate.net/N2003/fastclip.rpy > > Watch #32. > > >As Simracer points > >out, it's not impossible to cheat with 3rd party programs running in the > >background, I've heard about it since n2 days, but have never actually

seen > >it work. Especially in a fixed setup environment, noone should be THATmuch > >faster than anyone else, but we all know that some folks just are,whether > >from practice, or the setup suits their style, they're having a good day,or

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> >whatever..... > > The cheat/bug in question is setup related and does not occur in fixed > races. To the best of my knowledge, the old RAM cheats do not work > nor has anyone been able to demonstrate that they do. > > Jason

>Well the change in the subject pretty much says it all. >Can we get something like PunkBuster for this sim? Either from Papyrus or >some other third party group. If we have something like this then maybe we >can end some of this brainless cheating. What's PunkBuster? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Well the change in the subject pretty much says it all. >>Can we get something like PunkBuster for this sim? Either from Papyrus or >>some other third party group. If we have something like this then maybe we >>can end some of this brainless cheating. > > > What's PunkBuster?

So you're not a 3D-Shooter guy, eh? ;) It's an anti-cheat tool used (exclusively?) for FPS games. "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com l8er ronny

Agreed. It's not that they, or anyone, would in fact, hack your pc. It's that if they did, you'd know nothing about it. Never trust anything someone puts on your computer for free. :) -- Tim White "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > incorporated by Papyrus, that's one thing. But to say I'm gonna let RS send > back what is currently running on my computer or whatever their "TSR" is > sending to their site is absurd. I dont know those people, why should I?

I guess I should have explained what PunkBuster was. But Ronny is correct. used for online FPS, like Counter Strike and such. Prevents cheating, and is updated often to prevent new cheats from getting in. It's not official, but the FPS community has always had much more open access to a games code, so things like PunkBuster have sprung up as community projects. I know some in this thread have already started the "I don't trust <fill in the blank here> to build this as they might spy on me" discussion. But honestly, we might need something like this to help with the cheating. Unless someone else has a better idea. (Of course I am saying this with absolutely zero knowledge as to how something like this would be programmed, nor the time to learn, so it is easy for me to say.) btg "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bq04ag$su2$05$[email hidden]... > EldredP wrote: > >>Well the change in the subject pretty much says it all. > >>Can we get something like PunkBuster for this sim? Either from Papyrusor > >>some other third party group. If we have something like this then maybewe

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> >>can end some of this brainless cheating. > > > > > > What's PunkBuster? > > So you're not a 3D-Shooter guy, eh? ;) > > It's an anti-cheat tool used (exclusively?) for FPS games. > "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com > > l8er > ronny >

>> What's PunkBuster? > >So you're not a 3D-Shooter guy, eh? ;) Not really... I always end up being cannon fodder. :-) >It's an anti-cheat tool used (exclusively?) for FPS games. >"Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com Thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Punkbuster would be nice. Personally I vote for having the Rating systems turned off. Well, maybe keeping the LPI rating alive. But as for the track ratings. Turn it off. Maybe the cheaters will flake off to some other game and cheat there. Last few weeks I've been racing N2002 and guys, if you like racing with out cheaters.. head back there...great racing going on!! Sure they race arcade but its great.. Oh heres a cheat that every one should know by now. You can use your sim set in arcade mode. Simply make a copy of your sim set and change sim to acd. There you go.. sim racing in arcade mode. Hope to see you guys back racing n2002.

>Oh heres a cheat that every one should know by now. You can >use your sim set in arcade mode. Simply make a copy of your sim set and >change sim to acd. There you go.. sim racing in arcade mode. Hope to see >you guys back racing n2002. Sim set? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 26 Nov 2003 17:09:44 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Sim set? Before the patch you could cheat in arcade mode by using a setup file from sim mode. This was either fixed by the patch or no one cares. Jason

"Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bq04ag$su2$05$[email hidden]... "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com" My god, I actually get that :) -Larry

I'm going to steal that for my users :) -Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yRMwb.17953$[email hidden]... > Agreed. It's not that they, or anyone, would in fact, hack your pc. It'sthat > if they did, you'd know nothing about it. > > Never trust anything someone puts on your computer for free.

That was the source of all those "Hybrid" races that were on Sierra with NR2002. I do not believe this is possible any longer, but I'm not sure. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Oh heres a cheat that every one should know by now. You can > >use your sim set in arcade mode. Simply make a copy of your sim set and > >change sim to acd. There you go.. sim racing in arcade mode. Hope to see > >you guys back racing n2002. > > Sim set? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Not really... I always end up being cannon fodder. :-)to reply. Man, I forgot all about that game. That was so much fun..:-) Steve

Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheat I know for this damn game. :: Snip :: That was the source of all those "Hybrid" races that were on Sierra with NR2002. I do not believe this is possible any longer, but I'm not sure.

THAT is a major development. Damn... I wonder if fixed races are safe? In fixed races, is the setup transmitted from the host to all clients ? -Larry "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]...

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> Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag > with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheat I > know for this damn game. > > > :: Snip :: > That was the source of all those "Hybrid" races that were on Sierra with > NR2002. > > I do not believe this is possible any longer, but I'm not sure. > >

AFAIK thats how it goes. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Beqxb.16444$yM6.13275@lakeread06...

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> THAT is a major development. Damn... > > I wonder if fixed races are safe? > > In fixed races, is the setup transmitted from the host to all clients ? > > -Larry > > "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]... > > Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > > > yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag > > with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheat

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> > know for this damn game. > > > > > > :: Snip :: > > That was the source of all those "Hybrid" races that were on Sierra with > > NR2002. > > > > I do not believe this is possible any longer, but I'm not sure. > > > > > >

Larry wrote: > "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bq04ag$su2$05$[email hidden]... > > "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com" > > My god, I actually get that :) After using this quote I had to put that DVD on my "movies-to-watch-again-stack" ;) l8er ronny

In article <bq5oa4$akn$04$[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Larry wrote: >> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:bq04ag$su2$05$[email hidden]... >> >> "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com" >> >> My god, I actually get that :) > >After using this quote I had to put that DVD on my >"movies-to-watch-again-stack" ;)

Robocop? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On 26 Nov 2003 17:09:44 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Sim set? > >Before the patch you could cheat in arcade mode by using a setup file >from sim mode. This was either fixed by the patch or no one cares. >

Does a sim mode setup give more speed in arcade mode? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > >yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag >with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheat I >know for this damn game. Well, I'd never even *heard* of it before. But since I don't race arcade mode, I guess I don't have to worry about it... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I haven't race arcade in n2003, but as for N4 and n2002 the speeds are faster. I've already hit drafting speeds at Dega of 215mph. .The car handling is better since you're using your sim setup. The rule of thumb is.. have a great Sim setup you will have a great arcade setup. Have a bad sim setup, have a bad arcade setup. You can usually tell when someone is using a Hybrid set. They pull away in the turns. Bad thing is, once the set is converted to acd it can not be converted back to a sim. Arcade Hybrids were really big during the N4 days. Speeds were faster and handling was great! Some of the best racing I've ever seen and been involved in. Most of the people back then helped one another and shared setups. We could have 15 car drafts nose to tail. Countless lead changes. Usually we would run 20 lap races and would draft 15 and race the last 5. That helped out our LPI and most people finished the race and had a good time! The good ole days when racing nascar was fun. Now a days all we have are kids and sadly, adults flaming everyone in sight. Because of warp or most of the time, their own driving error. Or even a step further. I just left a Bristol race where the leader had the fastest car, and he was punting everyone in the turns. He wrecked most of the field.....ugh! To many forget this is a game. Folks who run open races are there to simply have some fun playing a game. Which leads back to what I said a few post back.. Lose the Track ratings but keep the LPI rating.

Good! -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LKqxb.4063$[email hidden]...

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> AFAIK thats how it goes. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Beqxb.16444$yM6.13275@lakeread06... > > THAT is a major development. Damn... > > > > I wonder if fixed races are safe? > > > > In fixed races, is the setup transmitted from the host to all clients ? > > > > -Larry > > > > "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]... > > > Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > > > > > yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the

bag > > > with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the onlycheat > I > > > know for this damn game. > > > > > > > > > :: Snip :: > > > That was the source of all those "Hybrid" races that were on Sierrawith

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It's definitely there, Eldred. There was a Dega server at one time on Sierra (may still be there) where this was not only condoned, but was required, to race there. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]>, "SPEED"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > > >yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag > >with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheatI > >know for this damn game. > > Well, I'd never even *heard* of it before. But since I don't race arcademode,

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> I guess I don't have to worry about it... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Indubidubly. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden](jason

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> moyer) writes: > > >On 26 Nov 2003 17:09:44 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > >>Sim set? > > > >Before the patch you could cheat in arcade mode by using a setup file > >from sim mode. This was either fixed by the patch or no one cares. > > > > Does a sim mode setup give more speed in arcade mode? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:03:59 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Indubidubly. > >-Larry Is that a word, Larry? =) Jason

Starship Troopers... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <bq5oa4$akn$04$[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Larry wrote: > >> "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:bq04ag$su2$05$[email hidden]... > >> > >> "Do you want to know more?" http://www.punkbuster.com" > >> > >> My god, I actually get that :) > > > >After using this quote I had to put that DVD on my > >"movies-to-watch-again-stack" ;) > > Robocop? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > Indubidubly. > > -Larry > lol

Yes, but I probably spelled it wrong :) -Larry "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:03:59 -0500, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Indubidubly. > > > >-Larry > > Is that a word, Larry? =) > > Jason

Yes, but I probably spelled it wrong :) -Larry

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> >Indubidubly. > >-Larry > Is that a word, Larry? =) > Jason

hehe indubitably ADVERB: It is so; as you say or ask: absolutely, agreed, all right, assuredly, aye, gladly, roger, undoubtedly, unquestionably, willingly, yea, yes. Informal : OK, uh-huh, yeah, yep. Slang : right on. See AFFIRM. "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NlMxb.18971$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > > Indubidubly. > > > > -Larry > > > > > lol > >

LOL -- Tim White "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > Indubidubly.

"Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bq89so$a2n$[email hidden]... > hehe > > indubitably > > ADVERB: It is so; as you say or ask: absolutely, agreed, all right, > assuredly, aye, gladly, roger, undoubtedly, unquestionably, willingly,yea, > yes. Informal : OK, uh-huh, yeah, yep. Slang : right on. See AFFIRM. > I like it better the way Larry spelled it.

there should be a Budweiser commercial saluting the guy who made spell check.

I think it was called the "Zombie" racing server. I ran it a few times. They had special arcade setups available for download. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vZLxb.17384$yM6.6859@lakeread06...

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> It's definitely there, Eldred. There was a Dega server at one time on > Sierra (may still be there) where this was not only condoned, but was > required, to race there. > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" > <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > > > > >yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the bag > > >with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the only cheat > I > > >know for this damn game. > > > > Well, I'd never even *heard* of it before. But since I don't race arcade > mode, > > I guess I don't have to worry about it... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Member > > Screamers Racing League > > IICC League > > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

Zombie ran hybrids, grip and some crazy temp like -400.

In article <J2Mxb.17388$yM6.11032@lakeread06>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Starship Troopers... > >-Larry > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >After using this quote I had to put that DVD on my >> >"movies-to-watch-again-stack" ;) >> >> Robocop?

Damn - wrong futuristic movie... :-) I actually *liked* ST, too. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Wow, now that I look at it, I sure did butcher it didn't I LOL -Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IzPxb.41031$[email hidden]...

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> LOL > > -- > Tim White > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > > Indubidubly. > >

I do belive you are correct! Give that man a Doggy Biscuit :) -Larry "gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PMRxb.25274$[email hidden]... > I think it was called the "Zombie" racing server. > I ran it a few times. > They had special arcade setups available for download. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:vZLxb.17384$yM6.6859@lakeread06...

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> > It's definitely there, Eldred. There was a Dega server at one time on > > Sierra (may still be there) where this was not only condoned, but was > > required, to race there. > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <_Jaxb.624$[email hidden]>, "SPEED" > > <[email hidden]> > > > writes: > > > > > > >Hmm, that got me thinking.......(smell the smoke) > > > > > > > >yup, it still works in n2003. ooppss.. did I let the cat out of the

bag > > > >with that? I though everyone knew about that. Hell, thats the onlycheat > > I > > > >know for this damn game. > > > > > > Well, I'd never even *heard* of it before. But since I don't racearcade

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> > mode, > > > I guess I don't have to worry about it... > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Member > > > Screamers Racing League > > > IICC League > > > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > > > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > > > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > > > N2k3 rank:in progress > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > >

Yes, it certainly was different :) It was a fun change too. 240mph packs :) I quit running it because it turned into a bunch of 'good old boys' running the low line for 50 laps. -Larry "SPEED" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VqUxb.7221$[email hidden]... > Zombie ran hybrids, grip and some crazy temp like -400. > >

I was hoping for a Sequel :) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <J2Mxb.17388$yM6.11032@lakeread06>, "Larry" <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > >Starship Troopers... > > > >-Larry > > > >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> >After using this quote I had to put that DVD on my > >> >"movies-to-watch-again-stack" ;) > >> > >> Robocop? > > Damn - wrong futuristic movie... :-) I actually *liked* ST, too. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Member > Screamers Racing League > IICC League > GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 > ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 > Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress > N2k3 rank:in progress > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Funny thing is, so do I ;) "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bRPxb.1628$[email hidden]...

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> > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bq89so$a2n$[email hidden]... > > hehe > > > > indubitably > > > > ADVERB: It is so; as you say or ask: absolutely, agreed, all

right,

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> > assuredly, aye, gladly, roger, undoubtedly, unquestionably, willingly, > yea, > > yes. Informal : OK, uh-huh, yeah, yep. Slang : right on. See AFFIRM. > > > > > I like it better the way Larry spelled it. > >

Who cares, I just thought it was great seeing someone use that word. :) -- Tim White "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AUUxb.17633$yM6.16938@lakeread06... > Wow, now that I look at it, I sure did butcher it didn't I LOL > > -Larry > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IzPxb.41031$[email hidden]... > > LOL > > > > -- > > Tim White > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > > > Indubidubly. > > > > > >

Who cares, I just thought it was great seeing someone use that word. :) -- Tim White > Wow, now that I look at it, I sure did butcher it didn't I LOL > -Larry > > LOL > > -- > > Tim White > > > Indubidubly.

:) -Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Mj5yb.31311$[email hidden]...

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> Who cares, I just thought it was great seeing someone use that word. > :) > > -- > Tim White > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AUUxb.17633$yM6.16938@lakeread06... > > Wow, now that I look at it, I sure did butcher it didn't I LOL > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IzPxb.41031$[email hidden]... > > > LOL > > > > > > -- > > > Tim White > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NZLxb.17385$yM6.13020@lakeread06... > > > > Indubidubly. > > > > > > > > > > > >

:) -Larry

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> Who cares, I just thought it was great seeing someone use that word. > :) > -- > Tim White > > Wow, now that I look at it, I sure did butcher it didn't I LOL > > -Larry > > > LOL > > > -- > > > Tim White > > > > Indubidubly.

"SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<SEuwb.9284$[email hidden]>... > IIRC, The Racesevers people were looking at a client-side app that would > check out all the client's running progs at the time of an event to assure > no one was running any TSRs that could hack memory addresses and or change > values once the sim was running and connected to one of their rated servers. > At the end of a race, the app produced a report that is sent to RS and > checked for *illegal* activities before the scoring was made official. The problem with *anything* running on the client (aside from spyware/malware concerns) is that it could probably be hacked just as readily as the game itself. Maybe when Windows Longhorn comes along, things will get better, at least in this regard. If anyone is still making racing sims, that is. Gerald

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) writes: >Maybe when Windows Longhorn comes along, things will get better, at >least in this regard. If anyone is still making racing sims, that is. I'm not familiar with Leghorn(other than Foghorn), but wouldn't *everyone* need to be running said OS? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Member Screamers Racing League IICC League GPLRank -2.4 MoGPL rank +302.38 ChallengeRank +54.48 MoC +743.77 Hist. +82.82 MoH in progress N2k3 rank:in progress Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I just hope NR2003 RUNS when Longhorn comes out. It's not like we'll see a patch to fix it. -Larry "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<SEuwb.9284$[email hidden]>... > > > IIRC, The Racesevers people were looking at a client-side app that would > > check out all the client's running progs at the time of an event toassure > > no one was running any TSRs that could hack memory addresses and orchange > > values once the sim was running and connected to one of their ratedservers.

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> > At the end of a race, the app produced a report that is sent to RS and > > checked for *illegal* activities before the scoring was made official. > > The problem with *anything* running on the client (aside from > spyware/malware concerns) is that it could probably be hacked just as > readily as the game itself. > > Maybe when Windows Longhorn comes along, things will get better, at > least in this regard. If anyone is still making racing sims, that is. > > Gerald

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Gerald Moore) writes: > > >Maybe when Windows Longhorn comes along, things will get better, at > >least in this regard. If anyone is still making racing sims, that is. > > I'm not familiar with Leghorn(other than Foghorn), but wouldn't *everyone* need to be running said OS?

Presumeably, yes. And of course, the software would have to be written to take advantage of its security features. Whether or not any of its features will be of any benefit in preventing cheating, I have no information.