N3 another one for the shelf!!!!

Drives too much like N2 !!!! I was entertained for about 1.5 hours but now that's gone. Going to be a dust collector for me :( I did get to see the eye candy at the tracks without getting too board but its not up to par either. FUZZY graphics that made me feel like I needed glasses BADLY. GPL and Viper Racing graphics are far superior IMO. Even while eyeballing the graphics it was hard to continue driving with the boring N2 type physics. Sounds are better than N2 but the engine sounds still need work. No snap crackle pop, they still just drone about in you're ear. I used my SB Live AND bought the Diamond MX300 with similar results. Actually I liked the sounds better with the Live card but it has no reflective sound so no real winner there either :( Still no support for a clutch pedal or SEPARATE PEDALS, exactly the same as N2 in that respect. Throttle pedal does have better modulation however. I think Goy Larson summed it up the best so far. " Its what Nascar 1999 should have been ". Doug Straley P.S. Somebody mentioned a money back guarantee in the manual if you have a reason so I'll have to find where it's hidden.

Sadly, I agree (except for the fuzzy graphics that is). N3 is a complete disappointment for me. I was (am) planning on racing in a league!...How am I going to stay awake? <G> It is plain and simply a prettied up N2. They also improved Internet play and I am SURE this and establishing WONNET was a major goal. They accomplished both of them based on my 4 hours or so racing online yesterday. Problem is that I still feel like I am playing a video game. I cannot lock up my wheels under braking, and the physics are about 3 years dated. Yes, there are some physics improvements, but they are marginal, and just little tweaks on what was already inaccurate. I cannot get into that zone that I can get into with GPL. GPL has spoiled me. Nascar3 will not be able to satisfy my need for competitive online racing. I will still have to get that from GPL (and to do that, a league is required). I love Nascar and cannot wait until the personal compputer industry can support the requirements needed for a Nascar simulation with physic models rivaling GPL (or better). I know Papy did not make money on GPL and if you do not make money you cannot exist. My whole Nascar3 attitude sounds very negative. I just hoped and expected more than a prettied up N2. I knew it was going to be the same engine, but jeez, I haven't driven N2 for probably over a year! I went out yesterday in my brand new, 143 car (funny to see such high numbers on these cars) and I felt like I was driving virtually the same car as I was driving 18 months ago! Knew it 5 seconds into my first "pit out" and experienced it for about 4 hours online last night. BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A child's simulation, now Papy, I hope you can give me a racer's simulation (like GPL) within the next 12-18 months. I will probably buy it either way to support, but how much I play it is another story. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Did you buy the same game that the rest of us did? -Larry

Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I used it with split axis pedals, no problem. Zog

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> Drives too much like N2 !!!! I was entertained for about 1.5 hours > but now that's gone. Going to be a dust collector for me :( > I did get to see the eye candy at the tracks without getting too board > but its not up to par either. FUZZY graphics that made me feel like I > needed glasses BADLY. GPL and Viper Racing graphics are far superior > IMO. Even while eyeballing the graphics it was hard to continue driving > with the boring N2 type physics. > Sounds are better than N2 but the engine sounds still need work. No > snap crackle pop, they still just drone about in you're ear. I used my > SB Live AND bought the Diamond MX300 with similar results. Actually I > liked the sounds better with the Live card but it has no reflective > sound so no real winner there either :( > Still no support for a clutch pedal or SEPARATE PEDALS, exactly the > same as N2 in that respect. Throttle pedal does have better modulation > however. > I think Goy Larson summed it up the best so far. " Its what Nascar > 1999 should have been ". > Doug Straley > P.S. Somebody mentioned a money back guarantee in the manual if you > have a reason so I'll have to find where it's hidden.

You can enable it...but the functionality is basically useless. See GPL to see how it is supposed to work... > Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I used

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> it with split axis pedals, no problem. > Zog > > Drives too much like N2 !!!! I was entertained for about 1.5

hours > > but now that's gone. Going to be a dust collector for me :( > > I did get to see the eye candy at the tracks without getting too board > > but its not up to par either. FUZZY graphics that made me feel like I > > needed glasses BADLY. GPL and Viper Racing graphics are far superior > > IMO. Even while eyeballing the graphics it was hard to continue driving > > with the boring N2 type physics. > > Sounds are better than N2 but the engine sounds still need work. No > > snap crackle pop, they still just drone about in you're ear. I used my > > SB Live AND bought the Diamond MX300 with similar results. Actually I > > liked the sounds better with the Live card but it has no reflective > > sound so no real winner there either :( > > Still no support for a clutch pedal or SEPARATE PEDALS, exactly the > > same as N2 in that respect. Throttle pedal does have better modulation > > however. > > I think Goy Larson summed it up the best so far. " Its what Nascar > > 1999 should have been ". > > Doug Straley > > P.S. Somebody mentioned a money back guarantee in the manual if you > > have a reason so I'll have to find where it's hidden. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Yes, I think we both bought the same "game" as you did. Problem is I was looking for a simulator.

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> Did you buy the same game that the rest of us did? > -Larry > > Drives too much like N2 !!!! I was entertained for about 1.5

hours > > but now that's gone. Going to be a dust collector for me :( > > I did get to see the eye candy at the tracks without getting too board > > but its not up to par either. FUZZY graphics that made me feel like I > > needed glasses BADLY. GPL and Viper Racing graphics are far superior > > IMO. Even while eyeballing the graphics it was hard to continue driving > > with the boring N2 type physics. > > Sounds are better than N2 but the engine sounds still need work. No > > snap crackle pop, they still just drone about in you're ear. I used my > > SB Live AND bought the Diamond MX300 with similar results. Actually I > > liked the sounds better with the Live card but it has no reflective > > sound so no real winner there either :( > > Still no support for a clutch pedal or SEPARATE PEDALS, exactly the > > same as N2 in that respect. Throttle pedal does have better modulation > > however. > > I think Goy Larson summed it up the best so far. " Its what Nascar > > 1999 should have been ". > > Doug Straley > > P.S. Somebody mentioned a money back guarantee in the manual if you > > have a reason so I'll have to find where it's hidden. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

Whiney-ass. Go call 1-800-BE-PETTY and drive a real stock car. [Yes, I have done that too.] Let me guess, you also have a customized Simpson fire suit and you wear your helmet with the shield down when you race too...so that you can get that "simulation" feel.

I think it's time you get one or all of the following: 1) Eye Gllasses. 2) A new computer. 3) Nascar Racing 2/99 4) A life 5) All of the above

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>On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:11:24 GMT, >>BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A >>child's simulation, >*plonk*

Geez ... can't you N3 fans live with the fact that not everybody thinks it's the best simulation on Earth yet. Hena

I'm just gonna let it go. Enjoy GPL. -Larry

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> Yes, I think we both bought the same "game" as you did. Problem is I > was looking for a simulator. > > Did you buy the same game that the rest of us did? > > -Larry > > > Drives too much like N2 !!!! I was entertained for about 1.5 > hours > > > but now that's gone. Going to be a dust collector for me :(

Then how do you account for another post in this thread which says: "Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I used it with split axis pedals, no problem." this person appears to be using split axis. What is your problem? Is he lying? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

The dreaded *plonk* was awarded for complaining about the lack of a feature that's lacking only due to that poster's inability to configure his own game. Sort of like someone whining about GPL not having manual gearshift. :-) Cheers, Steve B. (*plonk* aspirant) > >>BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A > >>child's simulation, > >*plonk* > Geez ... can't you N3 fans live with the fact that not everybody thinks it's > the best simulation on Earth yet.

That's exactly how I read it too, Steve. Makes one wonder if the 2 posters complaining about it actually own the game or gave it more than 5 minutes. Complain if you don't like the sim based on an informed opinion, but if you can't figure out how to get split axis pedals to work, when the sim detects them fine if you have them set up properly, same as GPL, same as *N2*, ICR2, etc. - I can't take much else you write seriously. To further criticize the game as a "child's simulation" because HE couldn't get something to work is I'm sure why he got the plonk. I guess ya have to know Ed too and why he'd plonk someone hehe -- Ken's Sig 3.0 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi Go #43 and #44! volksy (at) geocities (dot) com volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com >The dreaded *plonk* was awarded for complaining about the lack of a feature >that's lacking only due to that poster's inability to configure his own >game. Sort of like someone whining about GPL not having manual gearshift. >:-) >Cheers, >Steve B. (*plonk* aspirant) >> >>BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A >> >>child's simulation, >> >*plonk* >> Geez ... can't you N3 fans live with the fact that not everybody thinks >it's >> the best simulation on Earth yet.

> Steve, the *plonk* was awarded for the poster's insinuation that > N3 is a "child's simulation". I guess I didn't like the implication that > I was a "child" for enjoying it, so I *plonked* the presumptive idiot > that posted it... :) And nicely done it was, too! Cheers, Steve B. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it."

OK..so I don't follow the group enough and just caught a couple of responses...either they did not see my other post, decided not to read it (probably), or are english challenged....I said the split axis (dual) IS THERE(!), but is practically useless. I have a TSW formula wheel, am unchallenged by setting up my equipment (and have run it fine in gpl just recently btw), and as usual am finding many people in these newsgroups react like children. It really does make me wonder why one person opinion can so deeply offend. Must have been the "child" sim comment 8-0 Another mentioned me playing for 5 minutes...again (in my post) I stated I had played for ~4 hours. Since then, I have played many more, had some good races, and think N3 is certainly improved over N2. However, I still feel it is just basically a prettied up N2, and most all of the same flaws are there. It is funny to me that the knee-jerk responses I saw assumed I thought it a disappointing because I could not enable dual axis pedal support (which I stated I did..again for the record)! That is but a small criticism. It is a fun game, but not a great nascar simulation. Sorry you guys have skin like tissue paper... > That's exactly how I read it too, Steve. Makes one wonder if the 2 posters > complaining about it actually own the game or gave it more than 5 minutes. > Complain if you don't like the sim based on an informed opinion, but if you > can't figure out how to get split axis pedals to work, when the sim detects > them fine if you have them set up properly, same as GPL, same as *N2*, ICR2, > etc. - I can't take much else you write seriously. To further criticize the > game as a "child's simulation" because HE couldn't get something to work is

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> I'm sure why he got the plonk. > I guess ya have to know Ed too and why he'd plonk someone hehe > -- > Ken's Sig 3.0 > "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -

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> Kenobi > Go #43 and #44! > volksy (at) geocities (dot) com > volksy (at) yahoo (dot) com > >The dreaded *plonk* was awarded for complaining about the lack of a

feature > >that's lacking only due to that poster's inability to configure his own > >game. Sort of like someone whining about GPL not having manual gearshift.

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> >:-) > >Cheers, > >Steve B. (*plonk* aspirant) > >> >>BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is

inexcusable. > A > >> >>child's simulation, > >> >*plonk* > >> Geez ... can't you N3 fans live with the fact that not everybody thinks > >it's > >> the best simulation on Earth yet. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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> >BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A > Then how do you account for another post in this thread which says: > "Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I > used > it with split axis pedals, no problem." > this person appears to be using split axis. What is your problem? > Is he lying?

Actually, N3 does not support split axis the same way GPL does, yes, you can configure them on separate axis, but the game/sim only recognises the input from one of them, not like in GPL where you can actually brake and gas at the same time like in real life, in N3, as in "all" Papy sims before it in the series, when you push the brakes, you are actually reducing the throttle (or something like that), and yes, I know you can do donuts with both pedals fully depressed, but thats it, not like how it works on GPL at all -- Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

Excellent mastery of the english language, your mother would be proud :o) Seems to me that you are the one whining. I am stating my opinion of a new game and you are attacking. If you do not like my opinion that is fine, you are entitled to one also. Not only do I have a helmet on...I have a variable speed 4' diameter barrel fan, and an oil sprayer so I can mess up my visor too!!! 8-0 Plus a heater!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

I have been thinking about this. I don't see why split axis is needed in N3 anyway. You are mostly on the gas and turning left :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >> >BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A >> Then how do you account for another post in this thread which says: >> "Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I >> used >> it with split axis pedals, no problem." >> this person appears to be using split axis. What is your problem? >> Is he lying? >Actually, N3 does not support split axis the same way GPL does, yes, you >can configure them on separate axis, but the game/sim only recognises >the input from one of them, not like in GPL where you can actually brake >and gas at the same time like in real life, in N3, as in "all" Papy sims >before it in the series, when you push the brakes, you are actually >reducing the throttle (or something like that), and yes, I know you can >do donuts with both pedals fully depressed, but thats it, not like how >it works on GPL at all >-- >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy >"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:29:47 -0400, > >The dreaded *plonk* was awarded for complaining about the lack of a feature > >that's lacking only due to that poster's inability to configure his own > >game. Sort of like someone whining about GPL not having manual gearshift.

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> >:-) > >Cheers, > >Steve B. (*plonk* aspirant) > Steve, the *plonk* was awarded for the poster's insinuation that > N3 is a "child's simulation". I guess I didn't like the implication that > I was a "child" for enjoying it, so I *plonked* the presumptive idiot > that posted it... :)

So basically you plonked the guy for not liking N3? Just as I thought in the first place. And that makes him an idiot? *sigh* ... I give up Hena

Thank you....SOMEONE that understands what I am saying. > > >BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is inexcusable. A > > Then how do you account for another post in this thread which says: > > "Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I

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> > used > > it with split axis pedals, no problem." > > this person appears to be using split axis. What is your problem? > > Is he lying? > Actually, N3 does not support split axis the same way GPL does, yes,

you > can configure them on separate axis, but the game/sim only recognises > the input from one of them, not like in GPL where you can actually brake > and gas at the same time like in real life, in N3, as in "all" Papy sims > before it in the series, when you push the brakes, you are actually > reducing the throttle (or something like that), and yes, I know you can

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> do donuts with both pedals fully depressed, but thats it, not like how > it works on GPL at all > -- > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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Have you ever raced? It is trailbraking, and I guarantee you 100% of Winston/Busch guys do it regularly on many of the tracks they race. Extremely common and necessary. Think more <g> > I have been thinking about this. I don't see why split axis is needed > in N3 anyway. You are mostly on the gas and turning left :-) > -- > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

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> cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > >> >BTW, the fact that it does NOT support separate pedals is

inexcusable. A > >> Then how do you account for another post in this thread which says: > >> "Just two points. Did you enable reflections in the sound menu? And, I

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> >> used > >> it with split axis pedals, no problem." > >> this person appears to be using split axis. What is your problem? > >> Is he lying? > >Actually, N3 does not support split axis the same way GPL does, yes,

you > >can configure them on separate axis, but the game/sim only recognises > >the input from one of them, not like in GPL where you can actually brake > >and gas at the same time like in real life, in N3, as in "all" Papy sims > >before it in the series, when you push the brakes, you are actually > >reducing the throttle (or something like that), and yes, I know you can > >do donuts with both pedals fully depressed, but thats it, not like how

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> >it works on GPL at all > >-- > >Beers and cheers > >(uncle) Goy > >"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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