3D Sounds In N3...!!!

Let's get this straight......lots of confusion in the "posts" below: The "reflections" toggle on the N3 Sounds option screen is for the "reflections" feature of the MX300 sound card (and a few others...but it is the most popular). Regardless of whether you have this enabled or not (it will only be available to MX300 card users....SB Live users - or any other sound card - this will be grayed out). In either case....3D sound will be implemented in N3 automatically. That's true for both the MX300 and the SB Live sound cards. In the case of the SB Live cards.....you don't have to do a thing to turn it on.....it's turned on automatically! The "reflections" feature is one I frankly don't like....adds too much reverb type quality to the overall sound....but that's on my system....and subjective to my tastes. You can try it....on/off.....decide for yourself with your sound system. In general......the smaller watt pc desktop type speakers...with/without subwoofers will benefit from the "reflections" being turned on.....and the bigger watt speakers like surround sound and home theater systems will not benefit...in fact...they will not sound as good. That is assuming you have all the settings for your sound system set to "optimize" your system. If you don't know how to do this......go to the High Gear website.....(www.simracingnews.com) and see the Crew Chief's Notebook section for a complete "white paper" almost on setting up your sound systems to run NASCAR 3. Tom Pabst -- Tom Pabst

Tom, Would "reflections" be what causes my speakers/headphones to sound like they're gonna blow up at the start of a race? It seems fine all the other times - except for that Sierra Sports intro thing - that will wake up the kids every time if you're not ready for it <g> I'm wondering if I should return my MX300 or keep my SB Live. I like having A3D, but I'm not sure what the standard is at this point... David Cook >Let's get this straight......lots of confusion in the "posts" below: >The "reflections" toggle on the N3 Sounds option screen is for the "reflections" >feature of the MX300 sound card (and a few others...but it is the most popular). >Regardless of whether you have this enabled or not (it will only be available to >MX300 card users....SB Live users - or any other sound card - this will be >grayed out).

If I were you, I'd keep the MX300, mostly because of its ability to do just the type of sound "reflections" that are in N3. This is something that, if I understand correctly, is beyond the capability of EAX and the SBLive. Jerry Morelock

I use headphones with my MX300 (my apartment is not big enough for a good 4ps. :( and the reflections sound awesome! I am almost more impressed with that feature of the MX than the A3d. :)

David..... The "sound blossoming" that's what its called.....is a problem for N2, N99 and now N3. I suspect it is the same on both the SB Live and the MX300. What I've done as a temp work around.......set all my sound settings for racing on the track.....then turn my master amp volume setting way down while in the pits (start of practice...and in the pace laps). This means of course, you have to have it near your racing setup. That's the best solution for now......and no...don't trade in your MX300 for an SB Live.... Tom Pabst

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> Tom, > Would "reflections" be what causes my speakers/headphones to sound like > they're gonna blow up at the start of a race? It seems fine all the other > times - except for that Sierra Sports intro thing - that will wake up the > kids every time if you're not ready for it <g> > I'm wondering if I should return my MX300 or keep my SB Live. I like having > A3D, but I'm not sure what the standard is at this point... > David Cook > >Let's get this straight......lots of confusion in the "posts" below: > >The "reflections" toggle on the N3 Sounds option screen is for the > "reflections" > >feature of the MX300 sound card (and a few others...but it is the most > popular). > >Regardless of whether you have this enabled or not (it will only be > available to > >MX300 card users....SB Live users - or any other sound card - this will be > >grayed out).

Tom: You're a moron and a Rich thief!!!!! YOU KNOW THE TRUTH !! Doug Starlet

>In either case....3D sound will be implemented in N3 automatically. That's true >for both the MX300 and the SB Live sound cards. In the case of the SB Live >cards.....you don't have to do a thing to turn it on.....it's turned on >automatically! The "reflections" feature is one I frankly don't like....adds Here's one for you Tom. What if you have a 3D sound card but only have two speakers? If N3 automatically turns on 3D sound upon detection of a DS3D card, then I assume it's doing some front to rear fading and messing with my front channel when it, in my case, it shouldn't. Comments? -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

Bill..... Good point. And thanks for mentioning it......it brings up a mistake made by several SB Live card users....I made it too at first. Your characterization of the SB Live sending discrete sounds to the front speakers and the rear speakers is correct. If you only have front speakers attached....then they are not receiving the "full signal" from the card. But.....that is why there is a "two speaker" setting in the SB Live. That setting will disengage the discrete "surround" sound signal and allow the sounds to be distributed to two speakers (fronts) in standard stereo separation. Hope that clarifies....and helps you? TP > >In either case....3D sound will be implemented in N3 automatically. That's true

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> >for both the MX300 and the SB Live sound cards. In the case of the SB Live > >cards.....you don't have to do a thing to turn it on.....it's turned on > >automatically! The "reflections" feature is one I frankly don't like....adds > Here's one for you Tom. What if you have a 3D sound card but only have two > speakers? If N3 automatically turns on 3D sound upon detection of a DS3D > card, then I assume it's doing some front to rear fading and messing with > my front channel when it, in my case, it shouldn't. Comments? > -- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the > Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let > Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

I've had my Live! set for two speakers since the day I installed it. However, I never knew (until now) if that actually effected the sound mix or simply chopped off the rear channel. Now I know. Thanks.

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>Bill..... >Good point. And thanks for mentioning it......it brings up a mistake made by >several SB Live card users....I made it too at first. >Your characterization of the SB Live sending discrete sounds to the front >speakers and the rear speakers is correct. If you only have front speakers >attached....then they are not receiving the "full signal" from the card. >But.....that is why there is a "two speaker" setting in the SB Live. That >setting will disengage the discrete "surround" sound signal and allow the sounds >to be distributed to two speakers (fronts) in standard stereo separation.

-- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

What drivers are you guys using for this?? Diamond's drivers? or Aureal's drivers?!?!? > I use headphones with my MX300 (my apartment is not big enough for a good > 4ps. :( and the reflections sound awesome! I am almost more impressed with

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> that feature of the MX than the A3d. :) > > If I were you, I'd keep the MX300, mostly because of its ability to do > just > > the type of sound "reflections" that are in N3. This is something that, > if > > I understand correctly, is beyond the capability of EAX and the SBLive. > > Jerry Morelock > > > I'm wondering if I should return my MX300 or keep my SB Live. I like > > having > > > A3D, but I'm not sure what the standard is at this point... > > > David Cook

The Aureal drivers! Get them from VOS, David has already edited the inf file for a painless install. (Don't ask me what that means, just read it on the soundcard news group.) :-) http://www.vortexofsound.com/ Andy

I have a SB64PCI (Ensoniq AudioPCI) and it will synthesize surround sound with 2 speakers or 4. Also and game which uses DirectSound3D (like F1RS) will produce a very nice 3D sound effect with this card. Does anyone know if N3 uses DirectSound3D? -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com >Bill..... >Good point. And thanks for mentioning it......it brings up a mistake made by >several SB Live card users....I made it too at first. >Your characterization of the SB Live sending discrete sounds to the front >speakers and the rear speakers is correct. If you only have front speakers >attached....then they are not receiving the "full signal" from the card. >But.....that is why there is a "two speaker" setting in the SB Live. That >setting will disengage the discrete "surround" sound signal and allow the sounds >to be distributed to two speakers (fronts) in standard stereo separation. >Hope that clarifies....and helps you? >TP >> >In either case....3D sound will be implemented in N3 automatically. That's >true >> >for both the MX300 and the SB Live sound cards. In the case of the SB Live >> >cards.....you don't have to do a thing to turn it on.....it's turned on >> >automatically! The "reflections" feature is one I frankly don't like....adds >> Here's one for you Tom. What if you have a 3D sound card but only have two >> speakers? If N3 automatically turns on 3D sound upon detection of a DS3D >> card, then I assume it's doing some front to rear fading and messing with >> my front channel when it, in my case, it shouldn't. Comments? >> -- >> | "Instead of letting the moon be the >> Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let >> Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our