NASCAR 3 some ?

Most tracks you don't use the brakes in NASCAR.

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> Got my copy of NASCAR 3 today and some questions: > (and... yes!... I did RTFM). > Trying to configure my controller (Saitek FF-wheel), N3 would not recognize > split axis. I had to configure my pedals as combined, also N3 would not > recognize buttons 5 and 6 and did recognize button 4 as "joystick 2 > button2"... ??? > So is split axis not supported or am I missing something? > The readme says you can add a command to choose between 3dfx and 3d3 cards > (render_device or so) into N3.ini. > This won't work. N 3 always uses the 3dfx card despite the settings in > N3.ini. Only renaming the 3dfx.dll in the windows\system directory will > force N3 to start with the primary device.??? > BTW, there was a discussion about quality of 3dfx and 3d3 grafics, including > a tricky screenshot. Acccording to my experiences this may have been done > with 3dfx and 3d3 under 3dfx, which really is worse than the 3d3 grafics of > the primary card itself (and this is better than 3dfx, at least on my > system). > The frame counter shows 2 numbers, 1 in brackets, 1 without. > Is this average and actual frame rate and if yes, which is which? > Is N 3 really so arcadish? > I was somewhat disappointed about the physics. I know, it would not use > anything comparable to the GPL-engine but OTOH, the much reviled NASCAR > Revolution seemed to be more challenging... > With N 3 it is even imposible to lock the wheels when breaking hard... and > this in simulation mode WITHOUT any driving aids... > So do nascars use ABS??? > TIA > Zolli

-- MZ

Got my copy of NASCAR 3 today and some questions: (and... yes!... I did RTFM). Trying to configure my controller (Saitek FF-wheel), N3 would not recognize split axis. I had to configure my pedals as combined, also N3 would not recognize buttons 5 and 6 and did recognize button 4 as "joystick 2 button2"... ??? So is split axis not supported or am I missing something? The readme says you can add a command to choose between 3dfx and 3d3 cards (render_device or so) into N3.ini. This won't work. N 3 always uses the 3dfx card despite the settings in N3.ini. Only renaming the 3dfx.dll in the windows\system directory will force N3 to start with the primary device.??? BTW, there was a discussion about quality of 3dfx and 3d3 grafics, including a tricky screenshot. Acccording to my experiences this may have been done with 3dfx and 3d3 under 3dfx, which really is worse than the 3d3 grafics of the primary card itself (and this is better than 3dfx, at least on my system). The frame counter shows 2 numbers, 1 in brackets, 1 without. Is this average and actual frame rate and if yes, which is which? Is N 3 really so arcadish? I was somewhat disappointed about the physics. I know, it would not use anything comparable to the GPL-engine but OTOH, the much reviled NASCAR Revolution seemed to be more challenging... With N 3 it is even imposible to lock the wheels when breaking hard... and this in simulation mode WITHOUT any driving aids... So do nascars use ABS??? TIA Zolli

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:30:28 +0200, "Zolli"

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>Got my copy of NASCAR 3 today and some questions: >(and... yes!... I did RTFM). >Trying to configure my controller (Saitek FF-wheel), N3 would not recognize >split axis. I had to configure my pedals as combined, also N3 would not >recognize buttons 5 and 6 and did recognize button 4 as "joystick 2 >button2"... ??? >So is split axis not supported or am I missing something?

Is there an adjustment switch on your pedal board for switching between combined and seperate axis? I know there is for the TM Nascar Pro pedals. If your pedals are set to seperate axis, you can lock the wheels up I believe. i tried seperate axis for my pedals once but had trouble getting used to it after racing with them combined for many years. One thing i did notice with pedals combined is that if you have 100% brake and 100% gas, you wont spin the rears, but with the pedals set to seperate, and both pressed at 100% you can spin the rears (brake burn) Im really not sure about the locking of wheels under braking tho. Skotty Flynn webmaster - http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com "skotty" on TEN and WON

??????????????? That's not really true, or Im missing your poor use of sarcasm. As a top100 on the NROS, I personally say I brake at those tracks (and at more when Im at the end of my fuel run or I want to push hard into a turn on those D-shaped tracks) : Bristol Darlington Dover Gateway Homestead Indy IRP Memphis Milwaukee Martinsville Myrtle Beach Nashville Nazareth Richmond Loudon Phoenix Pike's Peak Rockingham South Boston Sears Point Watkins Glen Yeah.. most of the track you don't use the brake <vbg> -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>As a top100 on the NROS, I personally say I brake at those tracks (and at >more when Im at the end of my fuel run or I want to push hard into a turn on >those D-shaped tracks) : Your not top 100 on the NROS... Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard

R4 FFB works fine here--remember the brake pedal is calibrated as part of controller 2 (different from the way GPL does it). Marc.

<yawn> Remember Bill that I've retired from the NROS due to medical problems, and I was ranked #57 when it happened. Don't let your ego blow your head off, ya know ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

maybe so..but not enough to lock them up.

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> > Most tracks you don't use the brakes in NASCAR. > ??????????????? > That's not really true, or Im missing your poor use of sarcasm. > As a top100 on the NROS, I personally say I brake at those tracks (and at > more when Im at the end of my fuel run or I want to push hard into a turn on > those D-shaped tracks) : > Bristol > Darlington > Dover > Gateway > Homestead > Indy > IRP > Memphis > Milwaukee > Martinsville > Myrtle Beach > Nashville > Nazareth > Richmond > Loudon > Phoenix > Pike's Peak > Rockingham > South Boston > Sears Point > Watkins Glen > Yeah.. most of the track you don't use the brake <vbg> > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

-- MZ

Most of the tracks you mentioned were not Winston Cup Tracks. All I am saying is the braking feature that all of the GPL heads rant and rave about is not that big a deal in a NASCAR based game. 75% of the tracks that they run on are greater than 1 mile and the only time you use the brakes at C***te, Michigan, Vegas, etc is in the center of the turn to take the push out of the car. I rarely see the Winston Cup guys lock the brakes up except at road courses and perhaps at Martinsville so I just do not see it as an issue. But then again I did not spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week trying to get my ranking up to 47 on TEN so what do I know? By the way, how did you get into the top 100 in the NROS with the name Francis? Kerry

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> maybe so..but not enough to lock them up. > > > Most tracks you don't use the brakes in NASCAR. > > ??????????????? > > That's not really true, or Im missing your poor use of sarcasm. > > As a top100 on the NROS, I personally say I brake at those tracks (and at > > more when Im at the end of my fuel run or I want to push hard into a turn on > > those D-shaped tracks) : > > Bristol > > Darlington > > Dover > > Gateway > > Homestead > > Indy > > IRP > > Memphis > > Milwaukee > > Martinsville > > Myrtle Beach > > Nashville > > Nazareth > > Richmond > > Loudon > > Phoenix > > Pike's Peak > > Rockingham > > South Boston > > Sears Point > > Watkins Glen > > Yeah.. most of the track you don't use the brake <vbg> > > -- > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." > -- > MZ

-- MZ

Marc Collins schrieb in Nachricht ... Now I got it Thanks a lot Zolli

Your wrong in saying that you don't use brakes much in NASCAR, but I know what your trying to say. They rarely have to use the brakes hard enough that locking them up becomes a concern.

The tracks below are WC tracks, and "most" is not appropriate here since most of the tracks are indeed WC tracks (11 out of 21 is a majority) And what would it change for them to be WC tracks or not ? They are in N3 :) Im lost here.. we're arguing on the same point ? hehe ;-P I said it was not an issue also, I understand the limitation of the old Papy game engine. And how do you think that people in the top100 spent 24hours a day on TEN ? I had 20000laps when this happen, I just now went over 30k, that's nothing, in 2years it's 288laps/week, that's two leagues I run. Francis? My name is Fran?ois, and Im a French redneck, I guess :) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Exsqueeze me?? I can only think of 5 or 6 tracks where I wouldn't use the brakes. That's hardly "most". Unless, of course, you're one of those idiots that drive into the corners at Martinsville doing 105 mph and god help anyone in front of you. Dave Casey Casey94 (TEN)

Sorry I was just frustrated. i get tired of everyone ragging on NASCAR sims when I don't think that there is much wrong with them. What I was trying to say is this. Brakes are not that big an issue in NASCAR. You use the brakes but not enough to lock them up except on road courses and some short tracks. By the way, I am an idiot but I don't run into the back of people. Kerry Grant racerx88

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> >Most tracks you don't use the brakes in NASCAR. > Exsqueeze me?? I can only think of 5 or 6 tracks where I wouldn't use the > brakes. That's hardly "most". Unless, of course, you're one of those idiots > that drive into the corners at Martinsville doing 105 mph and god help anyone > in front of you. > Dave Casey > Casey94 (TEN)

-- MZ

Correctly adjusted, split axis pedals are easily capable of locking brakes up solid in N3. It's much easier to do at slower speeds than at 200. Hammering the brakes at 200 usually means wrecking, whether or not you lock up the brakes! Try using the Papyrus joystick setup built into N3, not the one in W95/98. > With N 3 it is even imposible to lock the wheels when breaking hard... and > this in simulation mode WITHOUT any driving aids... > So do nascars use ABS??? -- Rich Koehler rgkoehler(at)lucent(dot)com killerk(at)home(dot)com

... and I did not want to lock the brakes, but just wondered, why they didn't. Using a wheel with a quite short pedal action, I love hearing a little of the squeeling, like in GPL or Viper, so I can guess where is the limit. In NASCAR3 they obviously built in ABS and as I don't know much about stock cars, I really would like to know, if they do in real life??? BTW: I just love N3!!! CU Zolli