Papy, I want a magic button... PLZ..

I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when the leaders come by. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could help us out here? I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway. Hitch-Hiker

Sometimes the cars that get disconnected are left on the track. So possibly you could be blacklisting legit drivers. dave henrie

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> I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with > up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT > that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with > language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on > the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then > probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits > there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when > the leaders come by. > I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that > will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block > him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could > help us out here? > I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get > a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway. > Hitch-Hiker

On Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:54:49 -0500, Hitch-Hiker

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>I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with >up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT >that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with >language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on >the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then >probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits >there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when >the leaders come by. >I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that >will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block >him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could >help us out here? >I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get >a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway.

We've certainly experienced similar problems with on-line races in Grand Prix Legends, so I can appreciate how annoying it can be. Did either Grand Prix Legends patch solve the problem, by allowing the host to remove a specific driver? I'm surprised that Papyrus didn't include a 'remove' or 'ban' option from the start, before releasing Nascar 3. Perhaps they should have taken a look at rec.autos.simulators to see some of the many complaints by Grand Prix Legends fans? Best regards, Brian Whitaker

I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They would actually have to get a new IP.

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> I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with > up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT > that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with > language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on > the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then > probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits > there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when > the leaders come by. > I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that > will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block > him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could > help us out here? > I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get > a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway. > Hitch-Hiker

snipped lotsa true words Rick, that won't work as many ppl (like me) get a new IP everytime they log on to the Internet..............only solution again, same as in GPL: passworded races with assorted drivers (http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/GPLRC/) and league-races. You will mostly get one or two idiots on board doing open pickup-races......sadly, although things have vastly improved in GPL by now, I have never seen a host use the "!eject"-command lately. Maybe there's a slightly more mature audience in GPL? cya Maaki "still remembering some great battles at Spa with you" Stiepel

That would be far too harsh. Best regards, Brian Whitaker - ICQ, 51274367

Didn't the patch readme (the 1.1 patch, that is) mention that this was now an option? Here's a quote: There was no way to eject a player from a server. Any boss may now remove a player using the "!eject" command. The command should be entered as a chat message. The format of the command is "!eject player", where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the players name. For example, "!eject #12" "!eject smith" "!eject f.smith" "!eject fred.smith" [end quote] Perhaps you knew this, but it does answer half of your request. But there doesn't seem to be a way to blacklist. david

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> >I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to > >ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was > >hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got > >frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys > >out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get > >the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They > >would actually have to get a new IP. > That would be far too harsh.

I would believe that just the fact of knowing the host could remove you from the race would deter 90% of the problems before they start! H-H

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> Didn't the patch readme (the 1.1 patch, that is) mention that this was now > an option? > Here's a quote: > There was no way to eject a player from a server. Any boss may now remove a > player using the "!eject" command. The command should be entered as a chat > message. The format of the command is "!eject player", where player can > either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the players > name. For example, > "!eject #12" > "!eject smith" > "!eject f.smith" > "!eject fred.smith" > [end quote] > Perhaps you knew this, but it does answer half of your request. But there > doesn't seem to be a way to blacklist.

Is this for N3? Does it work? Patch 1.1? Anyone know? H-H

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>>I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to >>ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was >>hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got >>frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys >>out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get >>the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They >>would actually have to get a new IP. >That would be far too harsh.

How would that be too harsh? If someone's DELIBERATELY taking people out, I certainly wouldn't want him in MY race... Eldred ___ Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> >>I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to > >>ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was > >>hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got > >>frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys > >>out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get > >>the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They > >>would actually have to get a new IP. > >That would be far too harsh. > How would that be too harsh? If someone's DELIBERATELY taking people out, I > certainly wouldn't want him in MY race...

True, but what if you accidently make this huge brainfade mistake once and because of that wont be able to race anymore. I guess it would turn ***. There should at least be a "give the poor lad a second try button". Look at GPL when it was released and VROC was launched. There was some problems in the beginning with people ***ing up, but after time only the good racers are left. If this will happen with N3 only time will tell, but I can see the problem with N3 having so great many more users. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

I think DK made a mistake as to what sim you were talking about. What he is describing is the 1.1 patch readme for GPL. N3 could definitly be enhanced by something similar. Who knows, maybe in N3 V1.1 :) David > > Didn't the patch readme (the 1.1 patch, that is) mention that this was now > > an option? > > Here's a quote: > > There was no way to eject a player from a server. Any boss may now remove a > > player using the "!eject" command. The command should be entered as a chat > > message. The format of the command is "!eject player", where player can > > either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the players

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> > name. For example, > > "!eject #12" > > "!eject smith" > > "!eject f.smith" > > "!eject fred.smith" > > [end quote] > > Perhaps you knew this, but it does answer half of your request. But

there > > doesn't seem to be a way to blacklist. > Is this for N3? Does it work? Patch 1.1? > Anyone know? > H-H

You are thinking of the GPL 1.1 patch. Regards Rick

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> Didn't the patch readme (the 1.1 patch, that is) mention that this was now > an option? > Here's a quote: > There was no way to eject a player from a server. Any boss may now remove a > player using the "!eject" command. The command should be entered as a chat > message. The format of the command is "!eject player", where player can > either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the players > name. For example, > "!eject #12" > "!eject smith" > "!eject f.smith" > "!eject fred.smith" > [end quote] > Perhaps you knew this, but it does answer half of your request. But there > doesn't seem to be a way to blacklist. > david > > I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with > > up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT > > that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with > > language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on > > the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then > > probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits > > there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when > > the leaders come by. > > I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that > > will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block > > him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could > > help us out here? > > I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get > > a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway. > > Hitch-Hiker

that sounds like a great idea. On TEN they had a Muzzle button on the server that allowed just that. I hate to say this but I long for those ten days when you could actually talk to someone between races

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> I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with > up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT > that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with > language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on > the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then > probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits > there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when > the leaders come by. > I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one. I want a button that > will allow the host to remove a driver from his server. And then block > him (or her) from joining that host again. Charlie, maybe you could > help us out here? > I don't think that it would get misused. If a host misuses it, he'll get > a bad reputation, then it wouldn't matter anyway. > Hitch-Hiker

AGREED

in their living rooms watching on the tube :-)

I don't think I'd permanently KO someone for a few mistakes, he'd have to develop a reputation before I'd put him on the shit list. It's usually not too hard to separate the dedicated ***s from the beginners who are still just struggling with car control and the rules in general, but have good intentions. I too wonder if the same filtering process that took place with GPL on VROC will happen with N3. I sort of doubt it. GPL is difficult to drive. Unless you put in a lot of practice, it can be hard to keep the car on the track for a lap, let alone an entire race. I doubt if it's much fun to try and***up a race for others when you're spending 90% of it in the ditch without another car in sight. With N3, especially at Talladega, pretty much anyone can drive an entire race, however poorly, and there are always cars coming by. I've seen one guy idle along until the guy he wanted to take out caught up and began to lap him, then swing over and take them both out. Sometimes I really can't believe this shit. I also suspect the sales volume for N3 will be much higher than GPL, consequently the *** factor will be up there too. All this aside, it's incredibly exciting when you DO get that one good race, with clean drivers, and you battle right up to the checkers. This game has a lot of potential. Zog

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> > >>I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to > > >>ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was > > >>hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got > > >>frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys > > >>out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get > > >>the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They > > >>would actually have to get a new IP. > > >That would be far too harsh. > > How would that be too harsh? If someone's DELIBERATELY taking people out, I > > certainly wouldn't want him in MY race... > True, but what if you accidently make this huge brainfade mistake once and > because of that wont be able to race anymore. I guess it would turn ***. > There should at least be a "give the poor lad a second try button". > Look at GPL when it was released and VROC was launched. There was some problems > in the beginning with people ***ing up, but after time only the good racers > are left. If this will happen with N3 only time will tell, but I can see the > problem with N3 having so great many more users. > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

Well, I posted this on the N3 newsgroup server but here it is again :) At the moment Papyrus is working on what we call "unattended dedicated servers". That is essentially what we know in the GPL community as remote server control. That means you can control from an external PC the settings of a dedicated server. At the moment we can assume (since it's was from the last source I got) in alpha stage with NASCAR Legends, but it will include many things that will probably be ported to N3. Most of the code is based on the NROS server scripts, they were very versatile and you had some great tools to use. Here is some examples : #82/eject ; eject driver #82 #82/lapremove ; remove a lap for driver #82 /drp_yellow ; force a yellow flag to be thrown on the track #82/clr_black ; clear a black flag for #82 (you can also issue a BF) Those are mostly remote command lines that "administrators" can do. You can add or remove a lap to a driver. The server sets a password and that is the pw needed to administrators to be able to get those command lines. FYI there is a lot more stuff, mostly related to dedicated servers. You can specify about everything like with GPL ; race length, temperature, force_smoke for all clients, fixed setups, max latency, race password, administration password, max client, yellow/pace/damage, etc.. Hopefully even more things will be added to the list. This somehow gives us one of the necessary item the N3 community requested, now the only thing(s) left is a centralized chat and as a bonus some sort of ranking/GUi functions like muzzle, profile, statistics, etc.. FYI, those are from almost-official sources and I can back-up them if you want. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

<snip good server stuff> > For, E<cough>d's benifit, no doubt ;-) R

No, I don't mean an 'oops' in a fast corner. I'm talking about someone who deliberately swerves into someone(even on a straight), or who drives backwards. Is booting someone like that too strong? I don't think so... Eldred ___ Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:21:11 -0400, Hitch-Hiker

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>> >I certainly agree 100%. Seems some guys only goal in entering a race is to >> >ruin it for everyone else. This happens very often. Just today I was >> >hosting a race at Martinsville, and I someone who could not keep up, got >> >frustrated and started chattering, constantly. Then he would just take guys >> >out. Absolutely, we need a kill button. Be great if we could actually get >> >the IP of the menace he could not join under an new driver and name. They >> >would actually have to get a new IP. >> That would be far too harsh. >I would believe that just the fact of knowing the host could remove you from the >race would deter 90% of the problems before they start!

I apologise. I didn't make myself clear. Removing a player from a race would seem like a must for all on-line simulators. I have commented on this in a previous post in this thread. What I believed to be too harsh was the proposal for on-line racers to be able to view the IP address of the other on-line racers. Best regards, Brian Whitaker - ICQ, 51274367

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>True, but what if you accidently make this huge brainfade mistake once and >because of that wont be able to race anymore. I guess it would turn ***. >There should at least be a "give the poor lad a second try button". >Look at GPL when it was released and VROC was launched. There was some problems >in the beginning with people ***ing up, but after time only the good racers >are left. If this will happen with N3 only time will tell, but I can see the >problem with N3 having so great many more users.

You and I are thinking along the same lines. Best regards, Brian Whitaker - ICQ, 51274367

hmm, I never did care for the TEN rankings system. Just about everything there was good information to know but (imo) it was put together and sorted wrong. LPI.. LPI was good, but it was structured to continuously add laps. If I remember right, you could theoretically have a LPI of 10,000/1(?) I like the concept that's used with GPL... Novice, Int-Short, Int-Long, Pro-short, Pro-Long, GP, length races. The math then would show how the drivers got to that LPI. By way of never doing anything more then Novice races, or by way of doing all of the lengths. There fore the LPI wouldn't be misleading. Total number of laps was good as a separate indicator for experience. The over all ranking of Novice, Intermediate, Advanced, Pro, was good but also a bit miss leading with the "Pro" selection. True that since those drivers had all the numbers to show that they could race cleanly, If I remember right, the number of total laps was added to the LPI and their average finish positions and a few other odd numbers to get to the Pro level. Using the formula they did it showed that these driver could play a game rather well instead of showing that they could race rather well. Basically, it was more biased towards those that finished very high at the end of the races. All that was needed to be done was to make sure only you finished the race and your numbers would then start to sky rocket towards that "pro" level. It should have first been restructured/settings renamed to Novice, Intermediate, Advanced, and Experienced. The calculations should have included race settings (novice, int-short, ect..), LPI for those settings, and ect.. showing that driver A was a very good driver in the Novice length races.. Driver A was a very good driver for the Int-short length races, and ect.. I could go on but I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet... I just hope that the possible new rankings system is set to show a drivers true abilities rather then showing that he has been on the system longest. And I hope it doesn't rank drivers as top dog, second top dog, third top dog, ect.. I'd rather know that I'm racing against good solid drivers then racing for a better over all position. The only time the rankings of #1, #2...... are any good is when we are racing for points in a league. The new rankings system should be biased towards experience. (rankings of novice, intermediate, experienced, Advanced). Just my opinions Mike -- ========================================= Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing? ========================================= http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/ Racing online with the help of...... Race Communications Association Holodyne Engineering Mystic Music (have Your !!Name/Address!! placed here)

This absolutely killed us in a race I joined on Sunday. At the green 5 cars sat there and stayed there. Then the ones still able to started intentionally wrecking others. We need a patch for this big time!!!!!!!

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> I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with > up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT > that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with > language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on > the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then > probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits > there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when > the leaders come by.

-- Rich Koehler rgkoehler(at)lucent(dot)com killerk(at)home(dot)com

How 'bouts putting Nascar3 (or whatever) in your message header so we know what sim you're referring to?

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> This absolutely killed us in a race I joined on Sunday. At the green 5 cars >sat there and stayed there. Then the ones still able to started intentionally >wrecking others. We need a patch for this big time!!!!!!! >> I have been hosting alot of races lately, and having a great time with >> up to 30 guys in a race. But, occasionally, there will be some IDIOT >> that joins in that will ruin the race for most all. Starting with >> language, Disrespecting everyone, then becoming an intentional "hack on >> the track". Or, I have had several people qualify for the race, then >> probably leave the computer to go do something else. So, their car sits >> there at the start and gets run over. Not only once, but then again when >> the leaders come by.

In GPL, if you don't take action to actually JOIN the grid, you get left out. Does N# automatically put qualified cars on the grid? And, there's no auto-remove after inactivity? Drag... Eldred ___ Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.