The Secret to getting fast laps in GPL

Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks and I could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles about having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to it but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on the net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i managed to place in the top two of 12. WOW. This game is a drug...

I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn! Andre On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:40:42 -0600, "The Thomas's"

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>Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks and I >could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles about >having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also >having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist >and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try >without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to it >but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on the >net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i managed >to place in the top two of 12. WOW. >This game is a drug...

> I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn! > Andre Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too.

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> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:40:42 -0600, "The Thomas's" > >Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks and I > >could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles about > >having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also > >having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist > >and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try > >without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to it > >but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on the > >net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i managed > >to place in the top two of 12. WOW. > >This game is a drug...

-- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

The secret to fast laps in GPL is practice, practice, practice, practice and still more practice. The real trick is to keep yourself interested in putting in the seat time. Once any particular track becomes as familiar to you as the path to your refrigerator, your concious and (more importantly) subconcious are not being used up remembering which way the track went and can devote processor time to shaving time. For me, a breakthrough occured when I was forced to learn Monaco for a World Champ season because I was so bored with single races at the (easy) tracks that I liked. After a solid week of spinning crashing, spinning-crashing at every possible place, I learned to modulate and be delicate in pedal and steering inputs, learned that sometimes fast is slow and slow is fast, and mainly learned restraint. This Monaco lesson seems to have carried over to any other track I go back to. It might be worth trying. Good luck and good racing! Greg

I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I even bother going online yet Dodo

With that time you'll do fine online. The big things for online racing are consistency and situational awareness (so you can dodge the wrecks). Remember that , due to lag, what you see on your monitor is not exactly the same as your opponent sees. Allow for that factor by leaving a little more room than you would leave when racing offline against the AI cars. Remember that people are generally not as consistant in their driving as the AI. Don't try to win the race in the first corner. It helps if you have an easy to drive setup so that you're not wrestling with the car when you need to be thinking ahead and planning your passes. Join up with VROC, set up GSB and have fun! David

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> I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I > even bother going online yet > Dodo > > Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks

and > I > > could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles > about > > having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also > > having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist > > and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try > > without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to

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> it > > but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on > the > > net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i > managed > > to place in the top two of 12. WOW. > > This game is a drug...

if you can drive consistent, go for it! my PB at the glen is 1:06.16 and allthough I haven't won a race for months, I love online racing :-) Lio

> I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I > even bother going online yet This time is nothing to be ashamed of, if can run it concistently. Download GPL SpyBoy now and get online. It's a blast.

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> Dodo > > Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks and > I > > could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles > about > > having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also > > having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist > > and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try > > without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to > it > > but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on > the > > net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i > managed > > to place in the top two of 12. WOW. > > This game is a drug...

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With that time you can even win a race sometimes, there are a lot people with slower times racing online. More important is consistent driving, avoiding other drivers, and letting drivers who are clearly faster than you pass in a safe way. Andre On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:51:49 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic"

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>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I >even bother going online yet >Dodo >> Take off the AIDS! I have now being playing GPL for the last 3 weeks and >I >> could never get close to the top six people. I had read some articles >about >> having to listen to your brakes and prevent them from locking up and also >> having to gradual squeeze the throttle. At the time I had throttle assist >> and braking assist on so I never had to worry about it. I decided to try >> without and what a difference. It took me about four laps to get used to >it >> but I have taken about 5 seconds off my time. I tried a WatGlen race on >the >> net to see how I would do. I haven't played WatGlen very much but i >managed >> to place in the top two of 12. WOW. >> This game is a drug...

> I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I > even bother going online yet That depends on what you are looking for while racing on-line, if you're out to beat Ian Lake :-), I suggest you keep on practicing, but if you want to go online to fiurther improve your driving and be part of the very nice on-line community, just go for it, personally I don't care if I win or loose as long as I had a good time, and you won't know until you have tried, I don't think 1:06's will gie you too many victories, but it shows that you "know enough" about GPL to enjoy going online, IMHO Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy

Is this will works fine from France ? any french GPL driver here ? hou hou ! Il y a t-il quelqu'un ? -- ==================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

Je crois que ca va fonctionner bien. Cherchez G.GPLC qui se trouve a http://www.vroc.net. G.GPLC se situe en Allemagne donc on va brancher bien. Excusez ma francais mais je ne la parle pas depuis quelques annees. ;o) Bon chance mm

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> Is this will works fine from France ? > any french GPL driver here ? > hou hou ! Il y a t-il quelqu'un ? > -- > ==================================== > Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer > http://www.eden-studios.fr > http://www.multimania.com/hclyon

>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Should I >even bother going online yet >Dodo My PB is about a second SLOWER than yours, but I've had some good races online. Go for it!! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

go for it .its THE ultimate kick.....my pb is 1.06 and someting ...so what as long as U have fun .......... Ruud

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> > I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I > > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn! > > Andre > Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you > lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too.

It's good we're in the same league Olav, I can't beat that 1.30 either. At least there's some competition at the back of the IGPLC2 league too :o) Jan. J.H.Hovius.vcf < 1K Download

>go for it .its THE ultimate kick.....my pb is 1.06 and someting ...so what >as long as U have fun .......... >>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. Hmmm... "Bracket" racing anybody? I find that racing (be it real or simulated) is an awful lot more fun when you have lots of people running broadly similiar lap times... This might already have been done (I haven't looked at on-line racing yet because I assumed that 1'32 round Monza and 1'06 round WG would just get me laughed at!), but, let's say somebody was to set up a server with races set up in a sort of "ladder". grouped by fastest/slowest laptime... Break the fastest laptime and you get DQ'd (and "promoted" to the next bracket up the ladder). Break the slowest laptime (you'd need to allow a bit of latitude for "out" laps and being slowed down by traffic, but I'm sure something could be agreed) and you're "demoted" to the next slowest group. This should allow everybody to find a race where they won't either get totally demoralised or disapear into the distance... What do people think? -- JG

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> >go for it .its THE ultimate kick.....my pb is 1.06 and someting ...so > what > >as long as U have fun .......... > >>I want to start racing online, but my PB at Glen is only 1.06.39. > Hmmm... "Bracket" racing anybody? > I find that racing (be it real or simulated) is an awful lot more fun when > you have lots of people running broadly similiar lap times... > This might already have been done (I haven't looked at on-line racing yet > because I assumed that 1'32 round Monza and 1'06 round WG would just get me > laughed at!), but, let's say somebody was to set up a server with races set > up in a sort of "ladder". grouped by fastest/slowest laptime...

It is not you who are beeing laughed at but you who laugh at the hot-shots who cut the hedges as Parabolica, if you can race consistently that is :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

>> ...I haven't looked at on-line racing yet Except that I seem to out-brake myself into the gravel trap at Parabolica on a fairly regular basis too. When you're approaching a 2nd gear bend at 190MPH the margin between braking far too early and far too late seems very narrow! -- JG

threshold breaking is only the best method if you hit the breaking point exactly. there are lots of corners where I don't use threshold breaking and the parabolica is one of them ;-) Lio

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:44:41 +0100, Jan Hovius

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>> > I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I >> > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn! >> > Andre >> Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you >> lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too. >It's good we're in the same league Olav, I can't beat that 1.30 either. At least >there's some competition at the back of the IGPLC2 league too :o)

One thing I noticed the last few times I drove was that if I reduced my 'driver induced oscillations' that this helped. Got a 3:24 at Spa finally, broke my record with some 5 seconds. In practice this means tighter steering; steer in at the right time. Otherwise you'll have to correct your early or late steering, and the car starts swaying a bit. Smoooooottthhhhness.... Another key to GPL heaven. Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

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>> > I turned the aids off when I started with GPL (about a year ago) and I >> > still can't drive in the 1:27's at Monza! Damn! >> > Andre >> Yeah, I have never used the aids, but still can't turn 1:30 at Monza, you >> lucky sod :) It's a year since i bought it too. >It's good we're in the same league Olav, I can't beat that 1.30 either. At >least >there's some competition at the back of the IGPLC2 league too :o) >Jan.

Ok, now I don't feel so bad. I though you two were WAY faster... <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Then the problem must be that I don't KNOW when to turn in...and the practice laps aren't telling me... :-( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oh, they'll tell you quite good! If you're constantly going wide on the apex (means you're not *just* missing the inside curbs) you turn in too late. If you always ride over the inside curbs (or have to take action to avoid this) you turn in too early. The common problem seems to be to turn in too late. I always try to turn in a tick earlier than I want to do (and I ride the inside curbs quite often :-)). But I also have problems getting the right turn-in point on some corners, like the left-handers in Silverstone and our all-time-favourite, the Masta-Kink... :-( BTW, still a right-foot braker, Eldred? Peter Vienna, Austria

Lio, Threshold breaking ? Please enlighten a newbie: all the different ways to brake... Thanks! -- Jaz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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>> Then the problem must be that I don't KNOW when to turn in...and the >practice >> laps aren't telling me... :-( >Oh, they'll tell you quite good! If you're constantly going wide on the apex >(means you're not *just* missing the inside curbs) you turn in too late. If >you always ride over the inside curbs (or have to take action to avoid this) >you turn in too early. The common problem seems to be to turn in too late. I >always try to turn in a tick earlier than I want to do (and I ride the >inside curbs quite often :-)). But I also have problems getting the right >turn-in point on some corners, like the left-handers in Silverstone and our >all-time-favourite, the Masta-Kink... :-( >BTW, still a right-foot braker, Eldred?

Yes, I am. I had gotten almost decent at left-foot braking at Monza, but I couldn't duplicate that at any other track. Not even Watkins... I can't get the left-handers at Silverstone right, either. I'm not quite sure why. I'd *think* I've done enough laps. As for riding the curbs, I normally don't have a problem with that. The only time I do is if I'm being chased by the AI, or if I'm tired(low concentration). I'm not sure what this says about my driving style, except that I'm ALWAYS turning late...<sigh> Oh, when I've tried turning early on purpose, I end up over the curbs... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

This is also my single biggest problem combined with coming in to fast. I believe it's a perception thing. The corner rushes up on you at the last second. I have a few years of real racetrack time and I never had this problem. I believe it's inherent in the two dimemsional world, there's no depth perception. What would help some is brake markers. It is common on race day to put up two or three brake markers before turns to give drivers a reference point for their braking. They use them in the real world, I wonder if they were used in 67 gp racing. If so, lets have a patch. If not, lets have a patch anyway. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO have... Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Buy a video projector :o) i've just test it this WE. I have one because i've my PC in my Home theater system ! WOAW ! GPL on Video Projector, image zize : 1m25 x 0,90m I was REALLY submerged in the game, big precision, more consistent. i've play several races ( spa,glen ), and do few hotlpas at monza, i've improved my record from 1m28s68 to 1m28s38, so if i retry harder i think i could break 1m28s :o) -- ============================================================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.vrally.com http://www.multimania.com/hclyon ==============================================================================

almost every corner on every track except for a few corners have a dark groove you can use for a breaking point. brake jsut after, just at, or some rare corners, just before. sracer

Well, I normally judge my braking points by the racing groove (or some nearby sign or spectators). But I have some problems with the corners where you don't need to brake. When I have to brake hard for a corner, I have my braking point and a certain rhythm to downshift and turn in. If I've missed the braking point *slightly* I can normally catch the car at turn-in somehow. But when I don't need to brake for the corner, I find it very difficult to find the right turn in point, 'cause all happens very fast and a slight error causes you to miss the corner completely. This combined with the fact, that the amount of easing off the throttle in such corners influences your turning radius and cornering speed quite much, makes these fast turns quite *** for me. Well, but it can be done! (practice, practice). I've seen a Wolfgang Woeger WR replay at Spa (3:13.something), where he takes the Masta Kink at nearly 300 kph (just going down to 298 shortly), incredible! When I take it at over 270, this means certain death to my 'virtual alter ego' at the fence! Peter Vienna, Austria

following cars is very difficult. Takes some practice. And mainly braking early. really early. speedracer

writes: ...which is why I'm usually turning in late. I have to 'react' to seing the braking groove. Also, if you're following directly behind another car, you can't see it until the car ahead passes over it. BIG difference, as I've noticed(mostly at Silverstone). Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Buy a video projector :o) >i've just test it this WE. >I have one because i've my PC in my Home theater system ! >WOAW ! GPL on Video Projector, image zize : 1m25 x 0,90m >I was REALLY submerged in the game, big precision, more consistent. >i've play several races ( spa,glen ), and do few hotlpas at monza, i've >improved my record from 1m28s68 to 1m28s38, so if i retry harder >i think i could break 1m28s :o)

I started to yell, "SHOW-OFF!", but then I realized it would cost me $5000 to improve by .30 sec...nevermind<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the > details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO > have... > Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me... "Hmmm, this is interesting. At this graphics detail level that tree isn't here anym... flip flip FLIP flip flip FLOP screetch" ;) -- Matthew V. Jessick Motorsims Vehicle Dynamics Engineer (972)910-8866 Ext.125, Fax: (972)910-8216

Well sorry, I just wanted to share this great moment of playing GPL on very big screen. sorry ....

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> >Buy a video projector :o) > >i've just test it this WE. > >I have one because i've my PC in my Home theater system ! > >WOAW ! GPL on Video Projector, image zize : 1m25 x 0,90m > >I was REALLY submerged in the game, big precision, more consistent. > >i've play several races ( spa,glen ), and do few hotlpas at monza, i've > >improved my record from 1m28s68 to 1m28s38, so if i retry harder > >i think i could break 1m28s :o) > I started to yell, "SHOW-OFF!", but then I realized it would cost me $5000 to > improve by .30 sec...nevermind<g> > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

-- ============================================================================== Sebastien Tixier - Game Developer http://www.eden-studios.fr http://www.vrally.com http://www.multimania.com/hclyon ==============================================================================

:> And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the :> details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO :> have... :> Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me... : "Hmmm, this is interesting. At this graphics detail level : that tree isn't here anym... flip flip FLIP flip flip FLOP screetch" ;) It is a serious problem with GPL... the rather hungry graphics which actually don't have enough detail to help you much. I find most of my braking points are "kind of a little after the tree but before the sign" which is problematic since "after the little tree" is a bit of a movable feast. The long straight at Rouen is terrible for this. I can't find anything to judge my braking by except "a fair distance after the racing groove is black". -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

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>:> And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the >:> details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO >:> have... >:> Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me... >: "Hmmm, this is interesting. At this graphics detail level >: that tree isn't here anym... flip flip FLIP flip flip FLOP screetch" ;) > It is a serious problem with GPL... the rather hungry graphics which >actually don't have enough detail to help you much. I find most of >my braking points are "kind of a little after the tree but before the >sign" which is problematic since "after the little tree" is a bit of a >movable feast. The long straight at Rouen is terrible for this. I >can't find anything to judge my braking by except "a fair distance >after the racing groove is black".

How do the real drivers mark break points? Do they look for trackside objects like us sim racers do? Vintook

Basically yes. And it's a lot easier in the real three dimensional world, even then brake markers are often put up during race events. In gpl I find it useful to use a replay of a good hotlap, and from outside the car, frame by frame yourself to the point where you or whoever first applies the brakes, them go to the incar view while your stationary and carefully look for some visual clue. It's easier to find a point that way than while driving for a difficult corner. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

Who was it that said the comments about having a cow as a braking point at the Glen back in the days ? -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I recently read of one racing driver who was using a guy in a red jumper as a brake marker - yep, you guessed it - he moved along a bit, with predictable results. Andrew.

: How do the real drivers mark break points? Do they look for trackside objects : like us sim racers do? Martin Brundle has said that he looks at things like small bushes, tufts of grass, signs etc... He's also said that he's had at least one accident when a previous accident moved the thing that he was using as a braking point. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

In article <TPj34.100$[email hidden]>, "c" <[email hidden]> writes: >following cars is very difficult. Takes some practice. And mainly braking >early. really early. So if you brake early, then you lose too much distance to pass on the straight. You need to now be MUCH faster than your opponent. -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> And, the lack of decent brake markers is compounded if you turn down the >> details to get a good framerate. Then, you lose what brake markers you DO >> have... >> Silverstone and Spa seem to be the worst for me... > >"Hmmm, this is interesting. At this graphics detail level >that tree isn't here anym... flip flip FLIP flip flip FLOP screetch" ;) >

You've been SPYING on me, haven't you? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Sebastien Tixier <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Well sorry, > >I just wanted to share this great moment of playing GPL on very big screen. > >sorry .... > >EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Sebastien Tixier >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Buy a video projector :o) >> >i've just test it this WE. >> >I have one because i've my PC in my Home theater system ! >> > >> >WOAW ! GPL on Video Projector, image zize : 1m25 x 0,90m >> > >> >I was REALLY submerged in the game, big precision, more consistent. >> > >> >i've play several races ( spa,glen ), and do few hotlpas at monza, i've >> >improved my record from 1m28s68 to 1m28s38, so if i retry harder >> >i think i could break 1m28s :o) >> > >> >> I started to yell, "SHOW-OFF!", but then I realized it would cost me $5000 >to >> improve by .30 sec...nevermind<g> >> Eldred

Sebastian - Didn't you see the '<g>' at the end? It was a *joke*. I'm actually jealous, because there's NO way I could afford such a screen... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <5ig34.8457$[email hidden]>, "Peter Prochazka" <[email hidden]> writes: >Well, but it can be done! (practice, practice). I've seen a Wolfgang Woeger >WR replay at Spa (3:13.something), where he takes the Masta Kink at nearly >300 kph (just going down to 298 shortly), incredible! When I take it at over >270, this means certain death to my 'virtual alter ego' at the fence! > Hmm, I'm probably only doing about 240. I'm guessing, because I don't know what 240 kph would be... Eldred. -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP <[email hidden]> schrieb > > >Well, but it can be done! (practice, practice). I've seen a WolfgangWoeger > >WR replay at Spa (3:13.something), where he takes the Masta Kink atnearly > >300 kph (just going down to 298 shortly), incredible! When I take it atover > >270, this means certain death to my 'virtual alter ego' at the fence! > > > > Hmm, I'm probably only doing about 240. I'm guessing, because I don'tknow > what 240 kph would be... mph is about kph times 5 divided by 8. So 240 kph would be 150 mph, 270 kph are nearly 170 mph and 300 kph are 187.5 mph (that's fast, eh?) Now, how much are you doing in Masta? Peter Vienna, Austria

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>> Hmm, I'm probably only doing about 240. I'm guessing, because I don't >know >> what 240 kph would be... >mph is about kph times 5 divided by 8. So 240 kph would be 150 mph, 270 kph >are nearly 170 mph and 300 kph are 187.5 mph (that's fast, eh?) Now, how >much are you doing in Masta? >Peter >Vienna, Austria

Well, I just looked at one of my replays. 240 kph was a good guess. I'm running about 148mph through Masta...<g> That's one of the reasons my PB is only 3:29.xx... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>> Hmm, I'm probably only doing about 240. I'm guessing, because I don't >>know >>> what 240 kph would be... >>mph is about kph times 5 divided by 8. So 240 kph would be 150 mph, 270 kph >>are nearly 170 mph and 300 kph are 187.5 mph (that's fast, eh?) Now, how >>much are you doing in Masta? >>Peter >>Vienna, Austria >Well, I just looked at one of my replays. 240 kph was a good guess. I'm >running about 148mph through Masta...<g> That's one of the reasons my PB is >only 3:29.xx... >Eldred

When it comes to taking chicanes I tend to concentrate my focus on getting the second part spot on. So with Masta, once I know that I've turned in ok I'm already looking ahead for the right-hander part before I've even fully completed the left-hander part. I may not be super fast, but with this technique I am able to clip the right-hand apex pretty close whilst starting to accelerate and can take Masta regularly without dropping below 170mph. If you don't look far enough ahead then it's too easy to be late for the right-hander and have to back off. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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>>Well, I just looked at one of my replays. 240 kph was a good guess. I'm >>running about 148mph through Masta...<g> That's one of the reasons my PB is >>only 3:29.xx... >> >>Eldred > >When it comes to taking chicanes I tend to concentrate my focus on >getting the second part spot on. So with Masta, once I know that I've >turned in ok I'm already looking ahead for the right-hander part before >I've even fully completed the left-hander part. I may not be super >fast, but with this technique I am able to clip the right-hand apex >pretty close whilst starting to accelerate and can take Masta regularly >without dropping below 170mph. If you don't look far enough ahead then >it's too easy to be late for the right-hander and have to back off.

Remember what I said before about not being able to see the track clearly enough? Maybe that's too big of a problem to overcome. Especially at Spa, the track and surrounding dirt blends together... Silverstone's the same way. I haven't figures out why yet. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.