Has anyone broke the 1:26min barrier?
(Yeah I know, I'm really slow........)
-Kofi....
Flame warCorner-cutting at Riverside in NASCAR Legends
A question about lap times at Riverside in NASCAR Legends became a long argument over cutting through the dirt as the AI does. The poster ymenard argued that it was legitimate because the AI and real drivers did it, while John Simmons and Scott Hoffner called it unsporting, and Simmons muzzled him on his servers. Marc J. Nelson posted photos of real cars cutting turn six, and former spectators said no one did it every lap.
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> Has anyone broke the 1:26min barrier?
> (Yeah I know, I'm really slow........)
> -Kofi....
I don't think 1:26 is slow, it's pretty decent in fact, if you did it
correctly. I can get as low as 1:27:xxx in an untweeked ACE setup(I
don't know how to tweek it :) ), and 1:28:xxx in the Fixed one. But
can't get lower than that as of yet, and still drive the course
correctly. I see WAY too many people cutting corners severely at the end
of the esses and turning in some fast times. Making a mistake every
couple of laps or so and throwing up some dust is one thing, but lap
after lap I see people taking the "straight line" approach from the last
couple of esses through the hard right hander. Poor driving and
sportsmanship, and borders on cheating. It's hard to be impressed with a
time done under those circumstances. Please don't take this as an
accusation towards you NanaKofi. I have never seen you drive. I was
referring to the sim racing pop. as a whole.
No I don't take it as an accusation at all.
1] I drive the course correctly
2] I'm driving the Mercury Cyclone
3] My best time is only in the 1:28's.....
Thanks for your input though........
"NanaKofi" wrote
1:26 isn't much of a "barrier". <VBG> 1:25 either, but I can't seem to
get below 1:24 - even following the AI's "cheat" line through the
dirt.
"NanaKofi" wrote
Practice Riverside in N3 until you can do low 1:20s, then go back to
Legends and it will seem much easier with the slower cars.
<yawn>
There's no rules saying you have to stay on the track. If it's faster in
REAL LIFE and in sim life cutting through the track well that's what I do.
The AI does it, the real life driver did it that way, so I will do it.
My best lap is 113.943 (1:22:778). If I use all the track I did a low
113. Just learn to control those cars and whatever you use the track or not
you will be fast. You need to have perfect control of the old Papyrus game
engine, and be one with the car. And use the Force ;)
So no it's not poor driving or unsportsmanship.
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N3? Riverside? Mine don't have it...
JT
If you have Legends, copy the Riverside folder to your N3 directory,
then get the patch from http://www.techcom.net/mustang/ or from
http://www.theuspits.com/fbody/nascar/files/N3_riv.exe
"Jim Tester" wrote
I'm with you when it comes to racing Frank. If anyone thinks they are
going to win a race at Riverside without getting sand on their tires,
they have quite a bit to learn.
But when it comes to comparing "hotlaps", the general rule is 2 tires
on the track surface at all times. Your 1:23 would be a darn good lap
under those restrictions.
"ymenard" wrote
Tire-barriers lined many of the curves on the track (which Papy seems to have left
out - including a few other important details) which kept the cars glued to the
centerline.
However, I have several pics (nice and clear) of Petty and others cutting Turn 6
on two wheels...Lap, after lap, after lap...Below is one (thanks Don):
http://www.simracing.com/eta/images/rir_nascar06.jpg
Cheers!
Marc
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> I would love to see where ANY real race driver cut the corners at > Riverside the way you, and many other do, lap after lap, and > deliberately. The AI is one thing, and shouldn't even be considered. I > mean there are MANY probs with the AI, this is one of them. Taking > "shortcuts" is cheating. Plain and simple. Do you really think that real > drivers cut the corners like that? Your kidding right. If they did, you > can sure as hell bet the BF would be flying real quick.You can exchange any tracks between N3, NL and the old game engines. You
just need to have the tracks and softwares and know how (read my converter
FAQ at nascar-3.com).
If not, there is a track converter for Riverside->N3 found at
http://www.theuspits.com/
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> > Poor driving and > > sportsmanship, and borders on cheating. It's hard to be impressed with a > > time done under those circumstances. > <yawn> > There's no rules saying you have to stay on the track.My problem with Riverside is that when I'm extering the esses three a***
(with AI cars on both sides of me cutting over the dirt), I can only make it
all the way through the hard right once out of every 5 times (without an AI
car bumping me off in the esses or entering the sharp right). Does anyone
make it through the esses cleanly when there are AI cars nearby? I've never
seen a race at Riverside, but I would not have thought that there was a lot
of 3-*** racing through these esses.
Brian
ever watched a Rally race? What's the difference. Because you go in circles
on a road course you shouldn't try to be faster when you have the
opportunity Isn't that the whole part of racing?
How do you know how much I cut the esses?
Like I said... the AI does it, the human drivers online do it, and in real
life they did cut the course. If you want to be "politically correct" ( eh
;-) ), it's your choice, but the concensus is that people have, are and
will continue to cut the course. They won't slowdown.
It's the same like cutting through the grass in the Esses at Watkins Glen.
Or cutting a little into the grass at the Nurburgring in GPL at some tight
esses
Or on the NROS cutting through the grass on the left after the carousell to
gain an extra 0.05mph.
It's the natural selection somehow. The ones with the biggest imagination,
who can push the car enough to be faster will be the winners.
Uh... just push the darn car, I can do an easy high 1:23 using ACE.
Especially turn 1 and turn 2, the most important corners since they carry
all the speed into the esses. Turn 1 is a very tricky corner. Just lift a
little and turn earlier than you think into the apex. And don't fear just
going through the little dip of sand between the pitroad and the main road.
After for Turn2, the best would be to just put 2wheels on the sand to gain
front momentum and carry the speed into the esses.
For the last turn, brake half a second after the tyre mark and trailbrake.
It will take off almost half a second out of a lap.
Finally, the corner before the long backstretch is also tricky. The radius
tightens up and you need to brake more than you think (the opposite of T1).
Brake earlier and set your car so it doesn't touch the second apex exiting
the corner (the first apex is inside of the track, the second outside).
I hope I helped you...
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That pic shows NOTHING like what happens online in NL. In fact, that pic
shows petty's car merely stirring up some dust where the dirt meets the
asphalt.
Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just
drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in
the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put
some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest.
Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting
online competition.
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> > LOL--your kidding right Frank? That is a pretty poor defense. It's one > > of those "unspoken rules". It's not in any rule book, but any > > RESPECTABLE driver will adhere to it. > ever watched a Rally race? What's the difference. Because you go in circles > on a road course you shouldn't try to be faster when you have the > opportunity Isn't that the whole part of racing?They do race on tarmac or gravel or any "defined" road. And they cut it.
It's normal racing mentality. If you can go faster that way, then I say go
for it. If it's dangerous to other drivers or to the driver itself, it will
be banned or penalized, that's what racing series are for.
And my opinion is not full of shit John.
Oh you saved it ? Well I won the 25lap race by like half a lap also 8)
The AI does it and the majority of online racing people do it also. And I've
seen footage. They do cut the course. They do it. They put 2tyres in the
Heck it's not my fault if the track is like that. It's just too much
inviting. You have this stupid S that you can go from one to another. Btw
simply check out how much time I spend in that last esse (it's the only time
where I can say I go in the sand to gain time). Im there what for half a
second ? I re-enter the braking zone (like most of the real-life drivers
did) after, slightly turning to the left for the corner.
Why 2 and not 4 ?
Why did you snipped my GPL quote ? It is accepted there. And Papyrus did
not implemented gates you must pass throught. If they had, all of this
wouldn't happen. Not that Im blaming them.
What's the limit for you ? How far is 2wheels for you? and is your opinion
the rule? Why are we fighting for that. It won't change anything, people
will still cut the course, like the AI does and real-life drivers have done.
Only for that second that your actually on the sand.
Of course, because Im Canadian I probably have no knowledge at all of
Stock-car racing. And your talking to somebody who puts very big ideologies
for years on the newsgroup promoting the community and sportsmanship. But
for me cutting that second into the sand is nothing to care about.
<yawn> My daddy is better than yours. Those testosterone fighting are very
boring for me, sorry.
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Sound like something that ought to be fixed in a patch to me.
Don Burnette
Perhaps the pic isn't as clear as I originally thought - Nevertheless,
Petty's tires are over the edge of the track. The turn was a favorite spot
amongst the photography group for the two-wheeled action that took place.
FWIW, I've been to the track many times and have seen it happen (not Nascar,
mind you)...I've been told the Nascar drivers did it on a regular basis
though.
Besides, you said it never happened in real life, and I showed that it did.
I never said anything about online play. ;)
Cheers!
Marc
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> That pic shows NOTHING like what happens online in NL. In fact, that pic > shows petty's car merely stirring up some dust where the dirt meets the > asphalt. > Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just > drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in > the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put > some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest. > Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting > online competition.Why not use the tire-objects from GPL's Rouen? - Perfect match IMHO.
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> > Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just > > drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in > > the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put > > some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest. > > Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting > > online competition. > Sound like something that ought to be fixed in a patch to me. > Don BurnetteGetting a bit testy, no? ;)
> so your comparison is quite frankly full of shit.
The problem is Papy doesn't consider it a bug. Read this:
Douglas Sharpe wrote
That's not a bug! Watch some old NASCAR tapes from Riverside and you
will see that they spent more time in the dirt than they did on the
asphalt, especially in the esses and turn 6, and if you want to be
fast at Riverside you better master cutting the corner at 6 because
there is a lot of time to be made there.
Scott Sanford
Papyrus
but
not
Still it is not a bug since it is something we did on purpose. We had
4 different tapes of races at Riverside and all of them show cars
going off the track lap after lap at certain points on the track so we
decided to model the AI that way.
Scott Sanford
Papyrus
Douglas Sharpe wrote
"Don Burnette" wrote
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> Why not use the tire-objects from GPL's Rouen? - Perfect match IMHO. > > > Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just > > > drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in > > > the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put > > > some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest. > > > Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting > > > online competition. > > Sound like something that ought to be fixed in a patch to me. > > Don BurnetteWell usually its considered that you need to have 2 wheels on track to be
on course. I would say since I have watched a lot of Riverside races both
Nascar and otherwise that they did drive thru the esses on the pavement.
The Nascar guys did kick up a lot of dust due to the cars are so heavy and
do not turn well, but they kept 2 tires on the racing surface at all times.
Its a neat track to run, but it sounds like a few are spoiling it for
online racing since they will not even try to keep the car on the racing
surface. Also I think it funny that someone is trying to defend
themselves, but saying everyone else is doing it, it sounds like my 4 year
old trying to explain why he decided to write all over the walls in his
room.
dave
> ever watched a Rally race? What's the difference. Because you go in circles
> on a road course you shouldn't try to be faster when you have the
> opportunity Isn't that the whole part of racing?
Oh so now your comparing NASCAR road course racing with Rally racing?
They are 2 different entities, from 2 different racing worlds. Besides,
-most- of the time they don't even race on roads. And they don't do
laps, giving them the opportunity to cut the same corner over and over.
Poor defense.
Yes, going faster is the point of racing, but sportsmanship is the
point competition. Plain and simple, if you get 4 wheels off the course
on purpose lap after lap, you are cheating. You are cheating yourself,
because you haven't learned the correct way to drive the course, and you
are cheating your fellow racers because now they either have to cut too,
or be left behind when racing you. For someone who was, and still is so
worried about cheating, you sure did jump at your first opportunity to
do so, and are now forcing others to do so, in order to "keep up with
the Jones'" When running at the Glen, do you see cars cut through the
chicane? No. Why not? It's faster isn't it?
You have attested before to repeatedly doing so in prior posts regarding
lap times.
Natural Selection? LOL Oh, and cutting corners is hardly "pushing a
car". More like "pushing the rules".
Like I said, send a replay over of you doing those times without cutting
the turns. Till then, to me, they have no merit. I am trying to keep the
car on the surface at all times. To me that is one of the MAIN rules of
racing. Any dust kicked up by me, is a mistake on my part, unfortunately
that still is a lot of dust though :)
"Everybody else does is so why not me?"----- Dare to be different Frank.
Thanks for the reply Marc, but a still shot of Petty with 1 maybe 2
tires off the asphalt is not what I would call proof. It shows he
clipped the dirt on that lap. Nothing more. Find me a few laps on
video,film, whatever--5 or more, with the drivers doing it, then I'll be
convinced. A still shot, or someone saying "It's true" other than a
former course competitor, holds no water. I've watched the old IROC
races held there on ESPN Classic a few times, and never saw corner
cutting. On purpose anyway. Saw a few times people got a little squirrly
here an there, and got on the dirt a little, but didn't see any
"straight line" mentalities like we have with Frank, and TOO MANY other
online drivers.
Perhaps the online "cutting" doesn't compare (or come close) with what
really went on, but my saying the real drivers cut the corners holds water
with me - I saw enough of it with my own eyes in other races to believe it
possible for the Nascar drivers to do same.
Marc
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> Thanks for the reply Marc, but a still shot of Petty with 1 maybe 2 > tires off the asphalt is not what I would call proof. It shows he > clipped the dirt on that lap. Nothing more. Find me a few laps on > video,film, whatever--5 or more, with the drivers doing it, then I'll be > convinced. A still shot, or someone saying "It's true" other than a > former course competitor, holds no water. I've watched the old IROC > races held there on ESPN Classic a few times, and never saw corner > cutting. On purpose anyway. Saw a few times people got a little squirrly > here an there, and got on the dirt a little, but didn't see any > "straight line" mentalities like we have with Frank, and TOO MANY other > online drivers.Because with the old game engine Marc it means : Dead Stop like the gates in
Rally Championship ;-)
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...or perhaps a stop to the corner-cutting schnanigans? ;)
> Because with the old game engine Marc it means : Dead Stop like the gates in
> Rally Championship ;-)
> Perhaps the online "cutting" doesn't compare (or come close) with what
> really went on, but my saying the real drivers cut the corners holds water
> with me - I saw enough of it with my own eyes in other races to believe it
> possible for the Nascar drivers to do same.
Fair enough.
says...
>>Perhaps the online "cutting" doesn't compare (or come close) with what
>>really went on, but my saying the real drivers cut the corners holds
>>water with me - I saw enough of it with my own eyes in other races to
>>believe it possible for the Nascar drivers to do same.
>Fair enough.
The issue isn't whether or not corner cuting is done. Abnybody that's
ever seen a road course race knows it's done. The issue is whether or
not drivers "straighten out a curve" (or a series of curves) to the
extent that it's done online at Riverside, and I can assure you that's
not the case.
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If you run through the chicane at the Glen its a penalty
Ive seen people online who have got the N99 converter to remove the chichane
wall to work in N3 and and won races (and caused wrecks) that way.
> > ever watched a Rally race? What's the difference. Because you go in circles
imagination,
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> > on a road course you shouldn't try to be faster when you have the > > opportunity Isn't that the whole part of racing? > Oh so now your comparing NASCAR road course racing with Rally racing? > They are 2 different entities, from 2 different racing worlds. Besides, > -most- of the time they don't even race on roads. And they don't do > laps, giving them the opportunity to cut the same corner over and over. > Poor defense. > Yes, going faster is the point of racing, but sportsmanship is the > point competition. Plain and simple, if you get 4 wheels off the course > on purpose lap after lap, you are cheating. You are cheating yourself, > because you haven't learned the correct way to drive the course, and you > are cheating your fellow racers because now they either have to cut too, > or be left behind when racing you. For someone who was, and still is so > worried about cheating, you sure did jump at your first opportunity to > do so, and are now forcing others to do so, in order to "keep up with > the Jones'" When running at the Glen, do you see cars cut through the > chicane? No. Why not? It's faster isn't it? > > How do you know how much I cut the esses? > You have attested before to repeatedly doing so in prior posts regarding > lap times. > > It's the natural selection somehow. The ones with the biggestQuoted text (14 lines)
> > who can push the car enough to be faster will be the winners. > Natural Selection? LOL Oh, and cutting corners is hardly "pushing a > car". More like "pushing the rules". > >Uh... just push the darn car, I can do an easy high 1:23 using ACE. > Like I said, send a replay over of you doing those times without cutting > the turns. Till then, to me, they have no merit. I am trying to keep the > car on the surface at all times. To me that is one of the MAIN rules of > racing. Any dust kicked up by me, is a mistake on my part, unfortunately > that still is a lot of dust though :) > "Everybody else does is so why not me?"----- Dare to be different Frank.lol - 3 wide
> My problem with Riverside is that when I'm extering the esses three a***
> (with AI cars on both sides of me cutting over the dirt), I can only make it
> all the way through the hard right once out of every 5 times (without an AI
> car bumping me off in the esses or entering the sharp right). Does anyone
> make it through the esses cleanly when there are AI cars nearby? I've never
> seen a race at Riverside, but I would not have thought that there was a lot
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> of 3-*** racing through these esses. > Brian > > I see WAY too many people cutting corners severely at the end > > of the esses and turning in some fast times. ...There is a TRK checksum Scott so they are lying.
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I see you have ommited on purpose GPL. Why did you cut that quote eh ? Poor
defense on your side. Almost everybody does it yet you don't see people
like you screeming out of their windows like if they have been stolen or
something. You make a big deal out of nothing.
I went back to NL and calculated how much time I am actually on the sand. A
big whooping 1.5 second. Yepo everybody, a simple 3/2rd of a second. Wow
and you think that this over a lap ruins the whole experience ? Well my
fellow there's a minute and 20seconds after that to miss or gain time.
And btw this thread has already existed you should check out dejanews about
that FYI
Well it's up to you to decide how big is the grey zone. Sorry but I won't
change at all how I race. Especially since I don't care about NL much. It's
a quality title but another stupid SIERRA decision to competition themselves
with N3 and NL. But hey Im not surprised at that anymore coming from
Sierra. So you won't see me on NL. I'll have fun racing the AI like they
do in real life, and how humans do it in real-life online also.
And btw you probably have never seen people on the NROS put their whole
4tyres in the grass at Watkins Glen or Sears Point.
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> I see you have ommited on purpose GPL. Why did you cut that quote eh ? Poor
> defense on your side. Almost everybody does it yet you don't see people
> like you screeming out of their windows like if they have been stolen or
> something. You make a big deal out of nothing.
??? I don't understand? Omitted GPL? GPL was never part of this
discussion. And what quote are you referring to? Poor Defense? you lost
me Frank. And by the way, I'm a far cry from "screaming out my window"
in regards to this. This is the only thread I've had a discussion
regarding the corner cutting, so I would hardly call it "screaming"
about it. As far as making a big deal out of nothing, I make a big deal
out of something that is a big deal to me. Unsportsmanlike conduct.
Deliberately running off course to have faster times, is unsportsmanlike
conduct to me, and really falls under a header of cheating. Like I said
in my last post to you Frank, if your logic was applied the way you want
it to be, then why don't people cut the chicane at the Glen? Or cut
early through turn 11 at Sears Point? It's faster isn't it? It would
improve your lap times wouldn't it? You can't that's why. Because you
have to stay on course. The sand is not part of the race course at
Riverside. And the track does not go straight there.
next..
Listen Frank, first off, it's not how much time you spend on the sand,
it's how much advantage you gain from it. Your on the sand for what you
claim is 1.5 secs.(i'm not sure what 3/2rd is, but I'm hoping it's a
French fraction :) but if it's a typo and you meant 2/3rd's then I want
to know how 1.5=2/3rd, French math perhaps? <G> j/k) But any way, if you
spend 1.5 secs on the sand, and I have to slow down MUCH more to make
the turns correctly, then you gained A LOT more than 1.5 secs. Probably
closer to the point of 3 secs. Now compound that lap after lap, and
guess what. You are building up an extremely unfair advantage.
<sarcasm>
Oh, sry, I didn't know I was supposed to keep up with EVERYTHING that
ever was posted here so as not to repeat anything.
</sarcasm>
Just because a thread already existed means what? That we're not allowed
to discuss it any longer?
Again, you've been using this defense the whole time, yet can't come up
with ANY proof that real people did it in real life. And don't try to
point out Marc's R.Petty photo as proof, you can read my reply to that
if you want to know why. I think your just hoping they did, so you can
justify it. I mean who told you they did? When did you see them do it?
How many races have you ACTUALLY seen at Riverside? I do not for an
instant believe that any real life competitors used the "straight line"
approach the way it is used in the game, without at least incurring some
penalties. Not sure if you get the channel Speedvision or not Frank, but
every so often they run replays of early IROC races at Riverside. I've
watched them on many occasions, and have never seen anyone cutting the
esses, on purpose anyway. These are the only races I've seen at
Riverside, and what I am basing my defense on. But at least I know there
is actual footage to back me up. You on the other hand.....?
So I guess I must lead a sheltered life or something, since I never saw
people deliberately cut corners at those 2 places. But then again, I
don't/didn't race with EVERYONE, so it's of course possible, and in fact
probable. How would I know from the back of the pack anyway :) But
again, just because they do/did it, doesn't make it right. That's the
issue. Not whether "everyone is doing it", but rather that it's wrong to
do it at all. Like I said before Frank---dare to be different. But I bet
when N4 comes, or whatever they want to call it, and the walls are taken
out of the Glen, and Sears, you'll be the first person cutting through
turn 11 at Sears claiming it's ok because you only do it for 1.5
seconds. and besides you think you saw real drivers do it too.
>(i'm not sure what 3/2rd is, but I'm hoping it's a
>French fraction :)
The last time I saw 3/2rds, It was right before I flushed the toilet.
:O)
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Obviously it can, as all the NROS hotlappers on road course knew that in the
chicane at the Glen you had to keep 100+speed by putting all 4tyres on the
grass, and also at Sears Point you could cut the turn after the caroussell
going full car into the grass.
And my GPL quote was ommited. Almost everybody does it at the Nurburgring.
Especially in the first sections (just at the limits of the gates) and in
some fast esses around the circuit. Yet you don't see those people scream
out about the problem, because there is not one.
The thing is, you make people think that the 1.5second I pass on the sand
makes me do incredible laptimes on the track. Which is false, there is more
than a dozen corners after to gain speed on. Its the only place where I
touch the sand. I don't do it in T1 and T2 because you loose speed there.
Thinking that because your in the sand you will be faster is false. Your
going slower there, it's very slippery and you need total control of the
car. The momentum you have gained on the stretch makes for a very unstable
car.
Actually it was a translation. 3/2rd of a second is 1.5second for me. How
should it be written in English ? ;)
I was just saying this as an addition, to get more information you know...
So give me a proof that the real people did not do it in real life also.
Just quoting what you see on TV is not a proof to me. I could say the same
thing also, that I've actually seen cars putting the full car on the sand.
As in the top5 in road tracks on the NROS, be sure that to do 126+mph
laptimes at the Glen you had to do it ;-)
No, because Nascar Racing 4 will have a gate system like GPL.
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> >(i'm not sure what 3/2rd is, but I'm hoping it's a
> >French fraction :)
> The last time I saw 3/2rds, It was right before I flushed the toilet.
> :O)
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I've had no chocie but to muzzle ymenard from any further racing on my
servers. He refuses to see the point and insists that his way is the
correct way, when 9 out of 10 people participating in this thread are
trying to convince him that four-wheels off the track lap after lap on
ANY road course is NOT sporting.
Ymenard, your arguments are groundless and lack any sign that you have
any integrity or honor whatsoever. Have a nice life elsewhere.
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>Actually it was a translation. 3/2rd of a second is 1.5second for me. How
>should it be written in English ? ;)
3/2 would have sufficed, though 1.5 is probably more correct. The amu***t
comes from you appending 'rd' after the 2. If you were listing the places
in a race, you would write them this way:
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
8th
9th
10th
etc.
You were not referring to ordinal numbers, however, and the 2 in your
fraction actually represents the words "halves." Were that number to have
been a 3, you would have been referring to "thirds." Either way, there is
no need to suffix the fraction with any letters. 3/2 = 1.5, so both are
technically correct and the variation on the name of the number is assumed
in the case of a mathematical expression.
Now some math or English grad student can tell me why I am wrong.
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LOL. So you cannot accept to simply discuss about a situation so you muzzle
(?). Sure hmm "ok".
Yourself said that my points are non-sense, yet I have never actually flamed
you for nothing in this discussion. Like I said.. why do you think Rally
Racing or GPL cannot compare? "why" exactly? What are your reasons ? THe
only thing you say it's that it's non-sense, yet you do not bring any point
or additional reason. Why "that", tell us what you feel !!!
But like I said, you won't see me on N3 or NL anymore, so why waste your
time. Why am I wasting my time here ? This thread is pathetic...
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Thanks. Somehow when I typed that I thought to myself it should be written
like it is spoken. I said to myself "three thirds of a second", so I wrote
the additional suffix "rd".
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"John Simmons" wrote
Obviously, you have the right to muzzle anyone you choose to muzzle,
but it's not as though ymenard invented this "not sporting" idea. When
Scott Sanford from Papyrus came on here and said:
"if you want to be fast at Riverside you better master cutting the
corner at 6 because there is a lot of time to be made there."
no one accused him of a lack of integrity. Papyrus designed the track
to be driven this way, they believe that the real drivers drove
Riverside that way.
"it is not a bug since it is something we did on purpose. We had
4 different tapes of races at Riverside and all of them show cars
going off the track lap after lap at certain points on the track so we
decided to model the AI that way."
Ymenard is driving the track the way Papyrus designed it to be driven,
if you believe it was designed wrong then your argument should be with
Papyrus.
In my opinion 4 tires off the track should be a black flag, that is
the way it works in DTR.
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>> Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just >> drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in >> the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put >> some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest. >> Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting >> online competition. >Sound like something that ought to be fixed in a patch to me.>Dang, no I'm getting confused.
>You said 1.5 seconds, now your saying three thirds? Isn't three thirds of a
>second 1.0 second?
Depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
:o)
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I think I'll drop my two cents in....I have spent most of the last 25 years
within 10 miles or so of RIR and attended many races there (until it got
turned in an empty mall). I wasn't a big NASCAR fan so most of the time we
went to the sports car events, that is probably why the "NASCAR Line" thru
the esses was so noticeable to me. Watching from the turn 6 stands it was
obvious that a number of the NASCAR guys made little or no attempt to stay
on the pavement (especially #43, of course the King makes his own lines
<g>). I don't remember any with 4 wheels in the dirt at turn 6, not on
purpose anyway.
I guess that doesn't really help does it?
mike miller
> > 3/2 would have sufficed, though 1.5 is probably more correct. The
> amu***t
> > comes from you appending 'rd' after the 2. If you were listing the places
> > in a race, you would write them this way:
> Thanks. Somehow when I typed that I thought to myself it should be written
> like it is spoken. I said to myself "three thirds of a second", so I wrote
> the additional suffix "rd".
Three thirds of a second is one second. I think you meant 3 halves of a
second.
hth
Ian
Dang, no I'm getting confused.
You said 1.5 seconds, now your saying three thirds? Isn't three thirds of a
second 1.0 second?
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> > 3/2 would have sufficed, though 1.5 is probably more correct. The
> amu***t
> > comes from you appending 'rd' after the 2. If you were listing the
places
> > in a race, you would write them this way:
> Thanks. Somehow when I typed that I thought to myself it should be
written
> like it is spoken. I said to myself "three thirds of a second", so I
wrote
> the additional suffix "rd".
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> "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Well that is correct he said it and also I think he is wrong. I have
watched quite a few Nascar races at the old Riverside luckily since ABC
used to have it on the schedule. Well yes in a large group somone***
forced off the track almost everylap in the esses. Cutting turn 6 I do not
remember unless it was followed by a large bang on hte outside wall of turn
six. these cars are big heavy and handle like ***so yes they kickec up a
lot of dust thru the esses, but the drivers were infact trying like hell to
drive thru the esses. the fact Papy decided to model it the way they did
just flat screws up online racing that is all. Well I have not online
raced in a while due to time and will probly not mess about with it even
tho that is the way all games are going. Its a shame the Papy had to do
that but they did, and they seem to validate idiots reasoning to drive the
course that way. Well Nascar rules of that day were also if you were not
special you would get black flagged also so the person who invited Ymernard
no to race in his league was right also.
Dave
says...
This is the same thing as saying that script-kiddies should be able to
hack into net servers and do as much damage as they can simply because
it's possible to do so.
Different song, same dance.
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> > Ymenard, your arguments are groundless and lack any sign that you have
> > any integrity or honor whatsoever. Have a nice life elsewhere.
> LOL. So you cannot accept to simply discuss about a situation so you muzzle
> (?). Sure hmm "ok".
Give it a rest dude. You've been spouting off about how it's okay to do
simply because Papy gave us the capability to do it that way. It's been
over a week and you're still spewing the same crap.
I haven't flamed you. I've merely stated my intention to keep you out of
races on my server.
What the hell are you talking about, and what exactly do other sims have
to do with sportsmanship?
I guess you missed it, and I'm not gonna bother repeating myself.
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Don't compare me to a script-kiddy John. That's an *** to me and
the community. I take it very wrongly and won't accept such things <g> ;)
Because if so your also a troll...
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Pot, Kettle, Event Horizon.
Give it a rest dude (dude??). You've been spouting off about how it's not
okay to do simply because you think it is not good. It's been over a week
(well not really) and you're still spewing the same crap.
So like you said John, give it a rest. People know that I will never stop,
you will have to do it first. Call it having an ego, and I'll agree with
you.
You accused me of not being a Gentleman, having no morals or ethics of
racing, and publicly said that you muzzled me. Which I find very offensive
because all those things are totally untrue.
I am not going around the rules, I am simply doing what Papyrus has gave us.
If you want to go that far, why don't you accuse people who race with the
arcade view ??? Because Papyrus give them the tool to do that (which in
real-life they cannot), for your eyes it's ok but what I do is not ? In NL
be sure that you have a clear advantage using that view.
----
So the point is : Your grey zone is not my grey zone. The grey zone I use
is the grey zone that Papyrus gave us. I am a fast driver and I'll do
anything to be fast, at the extention of being dangerous for me and other
drivers online. That's as far as I go, If what I do is dangerous for others
I will stop doing this.
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
I was assuming three-thirds meant 3/2 (3/2 was what I was trying to
express). Looks like it was tree-seconds or something like that. ;-)
Enfin, je voulais dire trois-demie ;)
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> Don't compare me to a script-kiddy John. That's an *** to me
> and the community. I take it very wrongly and won't accept such
> things <g> ;)
Actually the analogy works better in reverse. What John is doing is
similar to yelling at his friends for hacking into a website which was
set up for the purpose of being hacked into.
The line the AI run is the "preferred line". All the AI does is run
laps that were recorded by Papyrus. The only question here is whether
or not Papyrus is correct, not whether or not Frank's driving is
immoral.
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ROTFL!
Good God! Warn me before you do that! I just about spit
coffee all over my monitor and keyboard.
Now the others in the office are suspicious as to just what
is so funny in AutoCAD. I think they might be catching on
to me...
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Piss poor defenses for a***poor attitude. You never cease to amaze me
Frank.
> Actually the analogy works better in reverse. What John is doing is
> similar to yelling at his friends for hacking into a website which was
> set up for the purpose of being hacked into.
Yeah, that's a good one Tracey. Paraphrase---"Since it's easy to do, it
makes it ok."
Preferred line? Of course it's the preferred line--in fact it's a
straight line. Just because it's "preferred", doesn't make it correct. I
would "prefer" to go straight as well, but it's wrong. So guess what? I
have scruples, and race the track the way it was intended to be. Not the
way that's the easiest.
Personally I can't see how Papyrus is right. Even with their lame
press release referring to that fact that "everyone did it, so should
you". It's plain and simple wrong---the AI totally ignores the way the
course goes, and picks this "preferred line" you keep talking about.
Like I said earlier, when the new generation of NASCAR comes from Papy,
and the walls are removed from courses like Sears, and The Glen, are the
AI and other drivers going to cut the chicane because it's "easier", or
a "preferred line"? What about turn 11 at Sears, Might as well cut it
early, I mean it's easier and quicker that way right? It's just a shame
that Papy obviously needs to keep these walls in, and add a few maybe to
stop this***poor excuse for sportsmanship.
> Yeah, that's a good one Tracey. Paraphrase---"Since it's easy to do, it
> makes it ok."
No, I'm refering to sites which are set up for the sole purpose of
testing security. Microsoft set up a web server recently and dared
people to try and break into it. Someone did it in one day, was
that "immoral"?
It's just a shame
NASCAR has human officials to prevent poor sportsmanship. Unless John
wants to sit and officiate all of the races on his server, I'd suggest
he take his argument up with Papyrus and ask for a black flag option
for when ever someone gets 4 tires off the course.
It could be set up on the host with all the other options. Instead of
arguing how it should be or how it was in 1970, lets ask Papyrus to
give us the choice.
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>>It's just a shame that Papy obviously needs to keep these walls >>in, and add a few maybe to stop this***poor excuse for >>sportsmanship. >NASCAR has human officials to prevent poor sportsmanship. Unless John >wants to sit and officiate all of the races on his server, I'd suggest >he take his argument up with Papyrus and ask for a black flag option >for when ever someone gets 4 tires off the course.No, because future Papyrus titles will have a gate system like in Grand Prix
Legends. And btw Scott, it is not that easy to just "cut the course". You
make it think like it's an easy thing that will make everybody lap Riverside
over 113. I don't cut too much. I will loose too much time. I would
rather turn a little left in the Esses before to have a clean line for the
turn exit and run in the sand after.
If they fix it, I'll be happy to race the way they want us to race after.
But as a fast driver I will try to find everything possible to do it. Per
example in GPL, many drivers go in the grass at the Hatzenbath(sp?), but
they do it at the limit that the gates make it possible. They also do after
the Plflanzgarten where you will find a couple of fast downhill esses.
But to say something to John also.. If the server that Im inside racing ask
me politely to stop using the line, I will do it. Im a gentlemen, yes I
want to be as fast as possible but as the host he has the right to tell me
what do to. I expect those sort of things.
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
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Well at least I try to add some information and arguments to the situation,
which post like this one above doesn't bring....
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Not sure why you give them the benefit of actual intelligence, but the AI
ignore nothing - they only follow the instructions placed before them.
Think of them as a bunch of trained monkeys, if you will.
Marc
> the AI totally ignores the way the
> course goes, and picks this "preferred line" you keep talking about.
Forgive me for barging in on what possibly ought to be a private
conversation, but Frank has long impressed me as one of the most even-handed
and gentlemanly people in this newsgroup. I've seen nothing in this thread
which changes my opinion.
On the other hand, the other fellow . . .well. . . never mind.
DK
> >***poor defenses for a***poor attitude. You never cease to amaze me
> > Frank.
> Well at least I try to add some information and arguments to the situation,
Quoted text (8 lines)
> which post like this one above doesn't bring.... > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."Quoted text (8 lines)
> Forgive me for barging in on what possibly ought to be a private > conversation, but Frank has long impressed me as one of the most even-handed > and gentlemanly people in this newsgroup. I've seen nothing in this thread > which changes my opinion. > On the other hand, the other fellow . . .well. . . never mind. > DK> Think of them as a bunch of trained monkeys, if you will.
Monkeys?..... yes---trained? I'm not so sure. LOL
says...
I'm not talking about being "gentlemanly", I'm talking about being a
sportsman, which Frank obviously IS NOT...
As for me, I'm not here to impress anyone, and I go to great strides to
keep from doing so. If I've succeeded in that, good. If not, I can give
you the address of my fan club...
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>> Forgive me for barging in on what possibly ought to be a private >> conversation, but Frank has long impressed me as one of the most >> even-handed and gentlemanly people in this newsgroup. I've seen >> nothing in this thread which changes my opinion. >> On the other hand, the other fellow . . .well. . . never mind. >David, I'm not sure who your referring to, me or John with that last >sentence, but-- "never mind"? >If it's me---- >...snip... >If it's John---- >Disregard the previous paragraph. John can fight his own battles. LOLMe? Ego trip ? You must be one of those pissed-off TEN users who whined all
the time and didn't liked me as a NROS Guide. Tell us what _you really_
feel...
The day you understand that signature files are simply there as a sarcastic
approach to each's inner-himself, you'll regret saying that. Yet you care
about things that everybody knows is meanless (a simply Calvin&Hobbes joke).
You know me enough ???? I don't you know, I have never raced against you
probably and don't even know your TEN screename. You have no idea of who I
am, what are my default/qualities, what I like, what I dislike, what are my
problems, whats my height/weight, how is my health, etc.. Yet you think you
know me ? And you think you have the knowledge to write such things about me
?
And look at what you just wrote below ! Hello Pot, Meet Mr. Kettle !!!
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Well somehow..
For "you", cutting the course is not ok. The grey zone is obviously not
going that far. But "your" opinion of being a sportsman is just an opinion.
Most of the people I know, from GPL online and N3 online know that Im a
sportsman. I wouldn't be in HGNS if I wasn't a sportsman and a gentleman.
Still the point is. Papyrus allows us to be 1.5seconds in the sand at this
particular track in this particular sim. Why don't you say anything about
everything else that is in our virtual world that has an unfair advantage
???
The Arcade view, unrealistic setups, some Fxx windows, modifying the
track.dat for a more clearer view of the track, having a speedometer, etc..
Do you see my point? All those things should be also mentioned if for you
cutting the course gives you an unfair advantage. But of course you will
probably say that those arguments are non-sense <g>
But do not call me a sportsman, because by doing that yourself you aren't a
sportsman.
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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
> Me? Ego trip ? You must be one of those pissed-off TEN users who whined all
> the time and didn't liked me as a NROS Guide. Tell us what _you really_
> feel...
Well, first off Frank, I never dealt with you on TEN when you were a
guide because starting -about- 9 months ago the only time I would log on
would be for OSCAR races or practice, but I do know of the instances you
refer to and they happened much more recent than that, and in fact I
somewhat sympathized with you when that whole situation arose.
I told you what I really feel in the last post. Why do you keep doing
this. This is the second or third time now in this thread someone has
explained themselves, and then you ask them to tell you how they feel.
Are you not reading the posts? Or are your retention skills lacking? I
don't like people who have ego problems. Yours tends to be a problem
sometimes. What don't you understand about that. And if your waiting for
particular instances, then your shit out of luck, because I'm not going
to do it publicly just so you can have more stuff to feed off of.
Hey listen Frank. I regret saying it now only because I didn't know it
was a C&H line. I am a big Calvin&Hobbes fan but just don't remember all
the jokes that were told. But you coulda done one little thing to
prevent myself, and others in the past, from mistaking it as a personal
quote. Put a credit to the strip after the quote. Simple and the proper
thing to do anyway. I apologize for thinking it was a personal quote.
But the way you use it now, it's VERY easily mistable as one.
Sure. I've been reading your posts and opinions for -about- 2 years now.
I know plenty about you.
Well, I HAVE raced you in the past once or twice(quite a while ago, so
I'll let that pass), and have been involved in past discussions with you
both at Jacob's NG, and the old TEN NG. Your memory is lacking that's
all.
Again, not my fault. I have communicated with you in the past on several
occasions, all under my screenname, which by the way is show in my NG
ID. If you just took the time to look.
Where as I may not know such things as what your height and weight are,
I'm sure there are plenty of people who you would consider good friends
in this community who do not know either. Your point has no validity.
Plus I could just go back to the old TEN NG and do a search for the
pictures you posted of yourself a few months ago and approximate your H
and W anyway. Frank you post here, and Jacob's regularly, and have even
posted pictures of yourself, yet cringe at the fact that someone may not
like everything they see about you. Grow up. But from the pictures it
looked like your only what 17, 18? You have plenty of maturing yet to
come.
Some difference here Frank. Like I said before, I have been reading your
posts and opinions for -about- 2 years now. The original poster,
admitted himself, he knew me from this thread only. HUGE difference. So
take your Pot and Kettle and go back to the kitchen.
First of all it's a fun thread. A little more and Im bringing back
LeChicken haha! (inside r.a.s. joke)
<snip> Since you were obviously not pissed at me for being a NROS Guide I
retake that remark. As you may or may not know, I was considered by many as
a traitor for being associated with TEN. I was told that numbers of time,
and attacked by many. So it's normal I assume that since you were a
previous NROS drivers that was the reason.
Whatever the situation, a signature file should never be taken seriously.
Here is a nice website with hundreds of .sig file for you to laugh. And
think that those people post them actually in their message! Do they think
what is written ? Nope, any usenet regular should know that. And no need
for a credit since it's a little different (the famous realise/realize). So
stop taking this seriously, that's the trick on the Usenet.
Outshined yes I situate your screename now.
The Newsgroup message detention was a month on the old t.g.s.n. FYI Im
5feet11inches and 7/8 (I still wish I can grow at 20years old of a eight of
an inch to go to the magic 6feet bar ;) ).
Your wrong !!!!!!! You clearly ow him and I an apology. Re-read what he
said and you would know there is no difference between him and you. But
please do not go and judge me, but on the other case you say that people
can't judge you :
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Forgive me for barging in on what possibly ought to be a private
conversation, but Frank has long impressed me as one of the most even-handed
and gentlemanly people in this newsgroup. I've seen nothing in this thread
which changes my opinion.
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All this for cutting a ***y corner for a second and a half...
--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Petty did cut the apex at turn 6 closer than most. He would drop the
inside
front tire off the inside of the turn and use it like the guide flag of
a slot car to hold the car tight. He was the only person to do this
consistantly.
I spent a lot of time in turn 6. No one ever cut the track "every lap"
as
in the game. I get the impression that the guys at Papyrus looked at
highlight shots, which of course show things that don't normally happen.
While there are off road excersions from time to time, the dirt does not
offer the same traction as pavement. Staying on the road is/was faster.
We need someone with .LP experience to edit the line to the one used
99.99%
of the time.
Other than the line, Riverside is fantastic. Ontario is done almost
perfectly
also. I spent some time at that track also.
buzard
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> Perhaps the pic isn't as clear as I originally thought - Nevertheless, > Petty's tires are over the edge of the track. The turn was a favorite spot > amongst the photography group for the two-wheeled action that took place. > FWIW, I've been to the track many times and have seen it happen (not Nascar, > mind you)...I've been told the Nascar drivers did it on a regular basis > though. > Besides, you said it never happened in real life, and I showed that it did. > I never said anything about online play. ;) > Cheers! > Marc > > That pic shows NOTHING like what happens online in NL. In fact, that pic > > shows petty's car merely stirring up some dust where the dirt meets the > > asphalt. > > Many folks in NL start at the first right turn into the esses and just > > drive a straight line right up until turn 6. They end up turning laps in > > the 113's and 114's because of it. I think papy should have at least put > > some tire curbs along the sides of the asphalt to keep everyone honest. > > Accuracy of track implementation is an honorable goal, but it's hurting > > online competition.>The Arcade view, unrealistic setups, some Fxx windows, modifying the
>track.dat for a more clearer view of the track, having a speedometer, etc..
>Do you see my point? All those things should be also mentioned if for you
>cutting the course gives you an unfair advantage. But of course you will
>probably say that those arguments are non-sense <g>
Very good point, these are also ways of cheating. Except the F displays,
they're simulating info you could get over the radio.
Don McCorkle
>"NanaKofi" wrote
>> 3] My best time is only in the 1:28's.....
>Practice Riverside in N3 until you can do low 1:20s, then go back to
>Legends and it will seem much easier with the slower cars.
You can run Riverside in N3?!? Geez, I *have* missed a lot... :-(
Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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>I see you have ommited on purpose GPL. Why did you cut that quote eh ? Poor
>defense on your side. Almost everybody does it yet you don't see people
>like you screeming out of their windows like if they have been stolen or
>something. You make a big deal out of nothing.
I have NEVER seen someone straight-line the esses at WG in GPL. But then
again, I've never been in a race with *you*...
Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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