wheels and framerates

I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. Since then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still get a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. Thanks Martin

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> I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. Since > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still get > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > Thanks Martin

Just got a LWFF yesterday. No framerate hit that I can tell. And boy does it ever add to the overall racing experience! -- Chuck Kandler #70 ChuckK or KS70 on Won.net K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX!

Well, if you can deal with the ***peddles (I can't) the Logitech Wingman Formula Force wheel is the way to go as far as frames rates are concerned. I have both the LWFF and the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback wheel and the Microsoft wheel produced a HUGE hit in frame rates =( when force feedback was enabled. I noticed almost no drop in frame rates with the Logitech wheel. It probably has something to do with the fact that the Logitech wheel is USB capable where as the Microsoft FF wheel is not. However, I've opted to stay with the MSFF wheel because the peddles are far superior to the LWFF peddles. I just turn the force feedback off and use it anyway since it's at least a digital wheel (I think). Since Nascar3 only recognizes ID 1 in joystick properties I was forced to choose between force feedback/ *** peddles or non force feedback/ good peddles. I chose the latter. Bud Bird aka Budness

for what it's worth, I have AMD K6-III 450 system running W98 SE. Bud Bird aka Budness > Well, if you can deal with the ***peddles (I can't) the Logitech Wingman > Formula Force wheel is the way to go as far as frames rates are concerned. I > have both the LWFF and the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback wheel and the > Microsoft wheel produced a HUGE hit in frame rates =( when force feedback > was enabled. I noticed almost no drop in frame rates with the Logitech > wheel. It probably has something to do with the fact that the Logitech wheel > is USB capable where as the Microsoft FF wheel is not. However, I've opted > to stay with the MSFF wheel because the peddles are far superior to the LWFF > peddles. I just turn the force feedback off and use it anyway since it's at

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> least a digital wheel (I think). Since Nascar3 only recognizes ID 1 in > joystick properties I was forced to choose between force feedback/ *** > peddles or non force feedback/ good peddles. I chose the latter. > Bud Bird > aka Budness > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > Since > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still > get > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do

you > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > > Thanks Martin

I also just bought a LWFF (to replace my MSFF) and completely agree with your assessment. Better FF and framerates, but crappy pedals. I guess it's possible to have both wheels connected and use the MSFF pedals with the LWFF wheel is games that support more than one controller (i.e., GPL). Have you tried this and does having the MSFF plugged in affect framerates? Brian

peddles= pedals ....jeeez. Bud Bird aka Budness > Well, if you can deal with the ***peddles (I can't) the Logitech Wingman > Formula Force wheel is the way to go as far as frames rates are concerned. I > have both the LWFF and the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback wheel and the > Microsoft wheel produced a HUGE hit in frame rates =( when force feedback > was enabled. I noticed almost no drop in frame rates with the Logitech > wheel. It probably has something to do with the fact that the Logitech wheel > is USB capable where as the Microsoft FF wheel is not. However, I've opted > to stay with the MSFF wheel because the peddles are far superior to the LWFF > peddles. I just turn the force feedback off and use it anyway since it's at

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> least a digital wheel (I think). Since Nascar3 only recognizes ID 1 in > joystick properties I was forced to choose between force feedback/ *** > peddles or non force feedback/ good peddles. I chose the latter. > Bud Bird > aka Budness > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > Since > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still > get > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do

you > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > > Thanks Martin

I know on the MSFF, you must use the newest updated drivers (sidewinder) or you will take a hit on framerates. Using the newest ones, I haveny noticed any excessive framerate hit (maybe 1-2 fps) but i can spare that 1-2 for the feedback feeling PassedYa

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> I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. Since > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still get > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > Thanks Martin

Curious. Have you tried DTR yet? I noticed the largest frame rate hit with this game when force feedback was enabled on my MSFF wheel. The game is simply unplayable at 10 fps. Also, I tried running the lowest resolution in the game but the fps hit is just as severe as with the resolution I normaly run at. BTW, I'm running the latest software version 3.02 on my system. Didn't seem to affect the fps at all. It could be a problem specific to K6-II/III (K6-III here) systems in general. Who knows. The game runs smooth as butter at high resolutions when FF isn't enabled for my MSFF wheel. Again, as I mentioned in my earlier post I noticed almost no hit in fps with my Logitech wheel with force feedback enabled. Bud Bird aka Budness > I know on the MSFF, you must use the newest updated drivers (sidewinder) or you

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> will take a hit on framerates. Using the newest ones, I haveny noticed any > excessive framerate hit (maybe 1-2 fps) but i can spare that 1-2 for the > feedback feeling > PassedYa > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate.

Since > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still get > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > > Thanks Martin

Agree 100% regarding the framerate hit with DTR... I just couldn't play the sim at all with ff enabled, this is the only sim I have found this to be a problem with and that is with my lowly P233mmx setup. Out of interest how can I tell what version of the MSFF software I have. I installed the version that came with the unit (version 3.0) and then last week downloaded the update from the website (it said it was version 3.02) but when installing it the screens still said that it was installing 3.0. I can't find anywhere in the software that the version number is shown.. any ideas?? Peter Hooper > Curious. Have you tried DTR yet? I noticed the largest frame rate hit with > this game when force feedback was enabled on my MSFF wheel. The game is > simply unplayable at 10 fps. Also, I tried running the lowest resolution in > the game but the fps hit is just as severe as with the resolution I normaly > run at. BTW, I'm running the latest software version 3.02 on my system. > Didn't seem to affect the fps at all. It could be a problem specific to > K6-II/III (K6-III here) systems in general. Who knows. The game runs smooth > as butter at high resolutions when FF isn't enabled for my MSFF wheel. > Again, as I mentioned in my earlier post I noticed almost no hit in fps with

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> my Logitech wheel with force feedback enabled. > Bud Bird > aka Budness > > I know on the MSFF, you must use the newest updated drivers (sidewinder) > or you > > will take a hit on framerates. Using the newest ones, I haveny noticed

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> > excessive framerate hit (maybe 1-2 fps) but i can spare that 1-2 for the > > feedback feeling > > PassedYa > > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > Since > > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to

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> get > > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do > you > > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully > received. > > > Thanks Martin

Call Sidewinder Tech Support and ask for the "Secret Serial Dongle". This adapter will allow you to send the FF signals through the serial port rather than the gameport. It is the gameport that is crippling your framerates... nothing else. The higher the speed of puter.... the bigger the framedrops will be. You can read my tech paper at: www.rs2league.com . Grab the Tech Talk Section, and choose the Gameport Volumes. Should answer the question more definitively. Cheers, Shumi http://www.rs2league.com

Shumi, I am very interested in the tech paper you mention. Cannot find the Tech Talk Section, in order to choose the Gameport Volumes on the URL you included. Any help appreciated. Larry

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> Call Sidewinder Tech Support and ask for the "Secret Serial Dongle". This > adapter will allow you to send the FF signals through the serial port rather > than the gameport. It is the gameport that is crippling your framerates... > nothing else. The higher the speed of puter.... the bigger the framedrops > will be. > You can read my tech paper at: www.rs2league.com . Grab the Tech Talk > Section, and choose the Gameport Volumes. Should answer the question more > definitively. > Cheers, > Shumi > http://www.rs2league.com > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > Since > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to still > get > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > > Thanks Martin

http://www.rs2league.com/tech_talk/Tech_talk_main.htm Cheers, Shumi Http://www.rs2league.com > Shumi, > I am very interested in the tech paper you mention. Cannot find the Tech Talk > Section, in order to choose the Gameport Volumes on the URL you included. Any

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> help appreciated. > Larry > > Call Sidewinder Tech Support and ask for the "Secret Serial Dongle".

This > > adapter will allow you to send the FF signals through the serial port rather > > than the gameport. It is the gameport that is crippling your framerates... > > nothing else. The higher the speed of puter.... the bigger the framedrops > > will be. > > You can read my tech paper at: www.rs2league.com . Grab the Tech Talk > > Section, and choose the Gameport Volumes. Should answer the question more

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> > definitively. > > Cheers, > > Shumi > > http://www.rs2league.com > > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > > Since > > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to

still > > get > > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do you > > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully received. > > > Thanks Martin

Our Japanese dislike MSFFW's only 64 phased pedal resolutions. So, I think LWFF's better too. But, MSFFW's Wheel resolution and wheel rotation are richer than LWFF's. It makes me harder to handle with LWFF in NASCAR3. I just got LWFF last week, so, time might clear this trouble. Nevertheless, LWFF is the best mass product wheel for GPL! =) Y.Minami

Thanks Shumi Very Helpful Tech Paper Larry

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> http://www.rs2league.com/tech_talk/Tech_talk_main.htm > Cheers, > Shumi > Http://www.rs2league.com > > Shumi, > > I am very interested in the tech paper you mention. Cannot find the Tech > Talk > > Section, in order to choose the Gameport Volumes on the URL you included. > Any > > help appreciated. > > Larry > > > Call Sidewinder Tech Support and ask for the "Secret Serial Dongle". > This > > > adapter will allow you to send the FF signals through the serial port > rather > > > than the gameport. It is the gameport that is crippling your > framerates... > > > nothing else. The higher the speed of puter.... the bigger the > framedrops > > > will be. > > > You can read my tech paper at: www.rs2league.com . Grab the Tech Talk > > > Section, and choose the Gameport Volumes. Should answer the question > more > > > definitively. > > > Cheers, > > > Shumi > > > http://www.rs2league.com > > > > I am thinking of buying a wheel for use mainly with GPL or Nascar 3. I > > > > borrowed a friends wheel and I suffered from a big drop in frame rate. > > > Since > > > > then I have upgraded from a cyrix 200 to a AMD 350. Am I likely to > still > > > get > > > > a big drop? What about Force Feedback wheels are they worth it? and do > you > > > > get a bigger (if any) frame drop? Any recommendations gratefully > received. > > > > Thanks Martin