CH Pedals -- HELP!!

I bought a CH Pro Pedals to go with my LWFF wheel, thinking that with this combo, I can probably do Monza in 1:30 going in reverse. But before I can break any world records, I need to get CH Pedals to work first!! After connecting the Pedals to the game port of my Soundblaster Live! Value and my MSSWFF joystick to the gameport extension, going into Control Panel to have a look: both pedals and joystick are not connected, the LWFF wheel is working ok. I tried everything, including advices I saw earlier in a post about CH Pedals and Sound Blaster Live!. I deleted the sound card driver and reboot so that PnP can do a reinstall, I have tried both connecting and disconnecting the joystick from the CH Pedals game port extension, I have created 2 two-axis 2-button joysticks and hoping that would've worked. None did. However, I know my gameport is working because if I go into GPL and use generic input, I can see my CH pedals. But since my LWFF is on USB, I can not steer. Another thing, my MSSWFF joystick was working fine before I got my LWFF wheel. So this is not a problem with either MSSWFF joystick nor CH pedals, just the combination that some how mess up the chemistry in my PC. Well, I need help to break some world records. If there is any kind soul who has experienced the same problem, please advice!! Walter

If you can see your pedals in GPL, you should be alright. There is a second page in the GPL calibration screen that you can get to with the arrow at the bottom of the first screen. Your wheel will show up there as axis 7 or 8 probably. Personally, I'd ditch the joystick, install two copies of a custom 2 axis controller at IDs 1 and 2, the LTFF at ID 3, and go for it. I suspect the MS joystick screws things up. I can't make my CH pedals work with my MS Precision Pro either. Kevin Caldwell

Thanks!! Will try. > If you can see your pedals in GPL, you should be alright. There is a second > page in the GPL calibration screen that you can get to with the arrow at the > bottom of the first screen. Your wheel will show up there as axis 7 or 8 > probably. > Personally, I'd ditch the joystick, install two copies of a custom 2 axis > controller at IDs 1 and 2, the LTFF at ID 3, and go for it. I suspect the MS

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> joystick screws things up. I can't make my CH pedals work with my MS > Precision Pro either. > Kevin Caldwell > > I bought a CH Pro Pedals to go with my LWFF wheel, thinking that with

this > > combo, I can probably do Monza in 1:30 going in reverse. But before I can > > break any world records, I need to get CH Pedals to work first!! > > After connecting the Pedals to the game port of my Soundblaster Live! > Value > > and my MSSWFF joystick to the gameport extension, going into Control Panel > > to have a look: both pedals and joystick are not connected, the LWFF wheel

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> > is working ok. I tried everything, including advices I saw earlier in a > > post about CH Pedals and Sound Blaster Live!. I deleted the sound card > > driver and reboot so that PnP can do a reinstall, I have tried both > > connecting and disconnecting the joystick from the CH Pedals game port > > extension, I have created 2 two-axis 2-button joysticks and hoping that > > would've worked. None did. > > However, I know my gameport is working because if I go into GPL and use > > generic input, I can see my CH pedals. But since my LWFF is on USB, I

can > > not steer. Another thing, my MSSWFF joystick was working fine before I > got > > my LWFF wheel. So this is not a problem with either MSSWFF joystick nor > CH > > pedals, just the combination that some how mess up the chemistry in my PC. > > Well, I need help to break some world records. If there is any kind soul > > who has experienced the same problem, please advice!! > > Walter

BTW, are you using LW profiler? It always sets LTFF ID back to ID 1. > If you can see your pedals in GPL, you should be alright. There is a second > page in the GPL calibration screen that you can get to with the arrow at the > bottom of the first screen. Your wheel will show up there as axis 7 or 8 > probably. > Personally, I'd ditch the joystick, install two copies of a custom 2 axis > controller at IDs 1 and 2, the LTFF at ID 3, and go for it. I suspect the MS

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> joystick screws things up. I can't make my CH pedals work with my MS > Precision Pro either. > Kevin Caldwell > > I bought a CH Pro Pedals to go with my LWFF wheel, thinking that with

this > > combo, I can probably do Monza in 1:30 going in reverse. But before I can > > break any world records, I need to get CH Pedals to work first!! > > After connecting the Pedals to the game port of my Soundblaster Live! > Value > > and my MSSWFF joystick to the gameport extension, going into Control Panel > > to have a look: both pedals and joystick are not connected, the LWFF wheel

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> > is working ok. I tried everything, including advices I saw earlier in a > > post about CH Pedals and Sound Blaster Live!. I deleted the sound card > > driver and reboot so that PnP can do a reinstall, I have tried both > > connecting and disconnecting the joystick from the CH Pedals game port > > extension, I have created 2 two-axis 2-button joysticks and hoping that > > would've worked. None did. > > However, I know my gameport is working because if I go into GPL and use > > generic input, I can see my CH pedals. But since my LWFF is on USB, I

can > > not steer. Another thing, my MSSWFF joystick was working fine before I > got > > my LWFF wheel. So this is not a problem with either MSSWFF joystick nor > CH > > pedals, just the combination that some how mess up the chemistry in my PC. > > Well, I need help to break some world records. If there is any kind soul > > who has experienced the same problem, please advice!! > > Walter

I'm not using the Profiler at the moment. It introduces a dead zone into the wheel that I can't drive GPL with. You can uninstall the Profiler, at least up to version 3.25, and everything works fine. You do lose the programmable buttons, which is a shame. I have used the Profiler before, and I didn't have the re-set to ID 1 problem. Again, it was only up to 3.25 though. Do you have an old cheap joystick, rather than the MS one? That should work. I eventually wired my CH pedals into my LTFF wheel. It is a little messier with the FF wheel, but still not too hard. Then you can use the set-up with any driving sim. You'll want to get a tennis ball under that CH brake pedal. I cut a 1" vertical slot in mine, and then duct tape it to the pedal. Good luck! Kevin

yeh, i thought about rewiring the CH pedals to LTFF wheel. besides the mess, is it straight forward? thanks for all your help! walter

There are short wires that go between the two pots in the LTFF pedal base. These wires have to be lenghtened to reach between the two pots in the CH pedals, either by soldering in a new length of wire, or using crimp connectors. You also have to find somewhere to mount the power input jack. I just enlarged the hole for the single/split axis on the CH pedal base, and epoxied it in there. You will have to enlarge the wire slots in the CH base a bit, but this is easy to do with a utility knife. I managed to squeeze the EMC ***on the power wires into the space in the CH pedal base, but it takes a bit of wire arranging. Overall not as easy as the non-FF Logitech, but still only about an hour of fiddling. Kevin > yeh, i thought about rewiring the CH pedals to LTFF wheel. besides the > mess, is it straight forward? thanks for all your help! > walter

I also have a LWFF and CH Pedals which are connected to an L4 PDPI, which gives me a lot of precision for both braking and accelerating. But the only problem is that I end up with 2 sets of pedal underneath the desk. If I connected the CH Pedals to the LWFF would still be able to connect the pedals to the PDPI port? If not, do the pedals behave int he same manner regardless of what they're connected to? I have another pc that doesn't have the pdpi port but its similar in hardware and I also was unable to get the pedals working with any MS product in fact (MSFF and 3 other joysticks). Having the LWFF crappy pedal permanently underneath my desk is very annoying indeed. Last question: do you know any web sites that would give you graphs on how to do the wiring and everything else when you connect the ch pedals to the LWFF? Also what sort of tools and/or equipment do you need to do this? Many thanks. Mauricio.

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>There are short wires that go between the two pots in the LTFF pedal >base. These wires have to be lenghtened to reach between the two pots in >the CH pedals, either by soldering in a new length of wire, or using >crimp connectors. >You also have to find somewhere to mount the power input jack. I just >enlarged the hole for the single/split axis on the CH pedal base, and >epoxied it in there. >You will have to enlarge the wire slots in the CH base a bit, but this >is easy to do with a utility knife. >I managed to squeeze the EMC ***on the power wires into the space in >the CH pedal base, but it takes a bit of wire arranging. >Overall not as easy as the non-FF Logitech, but still only about an hour >of fiddling. >Kevin >> yeh, i thought about rewiring the CH pedals to LTFF wheel. besides the >> mess, is it straight forward? thanks for all your help! >> walter

I don't know of any web sites with wiring details. I just put the connectors on the CH pots the same as they were on the LT ones. I think the brake ends up backwards, and I had to switch the outer two around on the brake pot. Might be something at Eric Cote's site. If the CH pedals are wired in the same as the Logitech ones using the Logitech wiring harness, they just go through the USB port. This should be better than any game port for precision and CPU utilization. The pedals behave perfectly. You'll need a utility knife, some 22 guage (approximately) wire, a soldering iron or crimp connectors, a small Philips***driver, and some epoxy to mount the input power connector, and a little creativity. Kevin

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> I also have a LWFF and CH Pedals which are connected to an L4 PDPI, > which gives me a lot of precision for both braking and accelerating. > But the only problem is that I end up with 2 sets of pedal underneath > the desk. If I connected the CH Pedals to the LWFF would still be able > to connect the pedals to the PDPI port? If not, do the pedals behave > int he same manner regardless of what they're connected to? > I have another pc that doesn't have the pdpi port but its similar in > hardware and I also was unable to get the pedals working with any MS > product in fact (MSFF and 3 other joysticks). > Having the LWFF crappy pedal permanently underneath my desk is very > annoying indeed. Last question: do you know any web sites that would > give you graphs on how to do the wiring and everything else when you > connect the ch pedals to the LWFF? Also what sort of tools and/or > equipment do you need to do this? > Many thanks. > Mauricio.

Allison's GPL site [link lost in import] on the CH pedal conversion written by Steve Blankenship. From the main page go to, Help/ Controllers/ Reader Reports, to check out Steve's report. I did my conversion back in June while listening to the 24 Hours of Le Mans on the internet, I needed something to do at 3 AM<g>. The conversion works great in every sim I've tried. I never think about the pedals anymore. don [|]-(_)-[|]

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>I don't know of any web sites with wiring details. I just put the >connectors on the CH pots the same as they were on the LT ones. I think >the brake ends up backwards, and I had to switch the outer two around on >the brake pot. Might be something at Eric Cote's site. >If the CH pedals are wired in the same as the Logitech ones using the >Logitech wiring harness, they just go through the USB port. This should >be better than any game port for precision and CPU utilization. The >pedals behave perfectly. >You'll need a utility knife, some 22 guage (approximately) wire, a >soldering iron or crimp connectors, a small Philips***driver, and >some epoxy to mount the input power connector, and a little creativity. >Kevin >> I also have a LWFF and CH Pedals which are connected to an L4 PDPI, >> which gives me a lot of precision for both braking and accelerating. >> But the only problem is that I end up with 2 sets of pedal underneath >> the desk. If I connected the CH Pedals to the LWFF would still be able >> to connect the pedals to the PDPI port? If not, do the pedals behave >> int he same manner regardless of what they're connected to? >> I have another pc that doesn't have the pdpi port but its similar in >> hardware and I also was unable to get the pedals working with any MS >> product in fact (MSFF and 3 other joysticks). >> Having the LWFF crappy pedal permanently underneath my desk is very >> annoying indeed. Last question: do you know any web sites that would >> give you graphs on how to do the wiring and everything else when you >> connect the ch pedals to the LWFF? Also what sort of tools and/or >> equipment do you need to do this? >> Many thanks. >> Mauricio.

Thanks for the info Kevin, I will try this out this weekend, I can't wait to put the LWFF pedals in the bin! Because that's where they belong. Mauricio.

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>I don't know of any web sites with wiring details. I just put the >connectors on the CH pots the same as they were on the LT ones. I think >the brake ends up backwards, and I had to switch the outer two around on >the brake pot. Might be something at Eric Cote's site. >If the CH pedals are wired in the same as the Logitech ones using the >Logitech wiring harness, they just go through the USB port. This should >be better than any game port for precision and CPU utilization. The >pedals behave perfectly. >You'll need a utility knife, some 22 guage (approximately) wire, a >soldering iron or crimp connectors, a small Philips***driver, and >some epoxy to mount the input power connector, and a little creativity. >Kevin >> I also have a LWFF and CH Pedals which are connected to an L4 PDPI, >> which gives me a lot of precision for both braking and accelerating. >> But the only problem is that I end up with 2 sets of pedal underneath >> the desk. If I connected the CH Pedals to the LWFF would still be able >> to connect the pedals to the PDPI port? If not, do the pedals behave >> int he same manner regardless of what they're connected to? >> I have another pc that doesn't have the pdpi port but its similar in >> hardware and I also was unable to get the pedals working with any MS >> product in fact (MSFF and 3 other joysticks). >> Having the LWFF crappy pedal permanently underneath my desk is very >> annoying indeed. Last question: do you know any web sites that would >> give you graphs on how to do the wiring and everything else when you >> connect the ch pedals to the LWFF? Also what sort of tools and/or >> equipment do you need to do this? >> Many thanks. >> Mauricio.

try www.simracingmag.com you have to go to spy's corner to see the instructions and the wiring diagram Brian