N3 Expansion pack

"If there is a problem, blame the French" --- Drew Carey

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>> This is the Papy that is being forced to make money. The French >> Company Havas has Sierra in a *** hold. They have already cut more >Yeah, it's those mean French bastards wanting to make a profit, not Sierra, >not Papy, naah... ;^) >l8er >ronny >-- >The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Well folks, I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't bitch about the software companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! Enough is enough! I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without slitting our throats over N4. A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, Mike Basden P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new body style.

Boy, I wish there were more guys like you around...I could be a millionaire! Trips wrote:

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> I can see your point of view on this, but my take is that if Papy > gives me a GPL quality title every so often, I'll buy everything else > they put out as well just to keep them afloat. > > Trips > D_Bell on VROC >

Dave Henrie wrote: > > This is the Papy that is being forced to make money. The French > Company Havas has Sierra in a strangle hold. They have already cut more Yeah, it's those mean French bastards wanting to make a profit, not Sierra, not Papy, naah... ;^) l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Dave Henrie wrote: > This is the Papy that is being forced to make money. Seems to me though, they're just going to destroy their reputation and lose valuable followers. *shrug* Beats me! > The French > Company Havas has Sierra in a strangle hold. They have already cut more > than half the programmers in the Sierra umbrella, closed several > studios, even shipped out the Nascar artwork to Russia, and cancelled > many games. See I would think that by introducing more games they would make more money, provided they actually made good titles that people wanted. > Remember, almost all the free extras comming from SCGT are being done > by private individuals. Yup I know..that was what I said earlier. I guess that's why I'm so upset. Companies are getting in the habit of 'copying' the most popular modifications to racing sims and selling them despite the fact that there may be no marked improvement (ie. Nascar@50 and Nascar Legends, SCGT Trans Am patch and the new Trans Am game...sense a trend?) > And don't worry about N3 bodies, I'm sure > experienced hands are hard at work crafting those. Guess I'm just too impatient..I'm part of the 'now' generation. :0) Mike

I can see your point of view on this, but my take is that if Papy gives me a GPL quality title every so often, I'll buy everything else they put out as well just to keep them afloat. Trips D_Bell on VROC On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:47 -0500, Michael Basden <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well folks, > I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was >just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't bitch about the software >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! >Enough is enough! > >I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past >with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just >pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up >for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try >to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this >wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original >release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement >over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to >defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get >more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I >only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without >slitting our throats over N4. > >A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, >Mike Basden > >P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background >info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new >body style.

This is the Papy that is being forced to make money. The French Company Havas has Sierra in a strangle hold. They have already cut more than half the programmers in the Sierra umbrella, closed several studios, even shipped out the Nascar artwork to Russia, and cancelled many games. Remember, almost all the free extras comming from SCGT are being done by private individuals. And don't worry about N3 bodies, I'm sure experienced hands are hard at work crafting those. dave henrie Michael Basden wrote:

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> > Well folks, > I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was > just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are > advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't bitch about the software > companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > Enough is enough! > > I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past > with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just > pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up > for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try > to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this > wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original > release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement > over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to > defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get > more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I > only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without > slitting our throats over N4. > > A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, > Mike Basden > > P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background > info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new > body style.

Keep in mind that Papy is not at fault any more you are for following your bosses orders. The visionaries and programmers at Papy have been decimated by some suits that could care less. Remember these people do what they do for the love of the game unlike some stupid bastards whose only concern is the bonus they get for raping...... you get the point. JM Michael Basden wrote:

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> Well folks, > I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was > just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are > advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't bitch about the software > companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > Enough is enough! > > I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past > with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just > pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up > for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try > to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this > wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original > release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement > over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to > defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get > more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I > only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without > slitting our throats over N4. > > A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, > Mike Basden > > P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background > info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new > body style.

Well you can add one more to that list <G> -- Michael Horton http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/ Home of the GPL F2/F3 Hotlaps Michael Basden <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Boy, I wish there were more guys like you around...I could be a millionaire! > > Trips wrote: > > > I can see your point of view on this, but my take is that if Papy > > gives me a GPL quality title every so often, I'll buy everything else > > they put out as well just to keep them afloat. > > > > Trips > > D_Bell on VROC > > >

Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote > Yeah, it's those mean French bastards wanting to make a profit, notSierra, > not Papy, naah... ;^) Hey !!! Ok Im not a French from France.. it's like comparing a British to an American or a Aussie, but for your punition, I'll continue to troll joke against Ubisoft until the year 2000 ;) You know I was awaiting that moment 8) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

>advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the software >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! >Enough is enough! IF it's treated as an EXPANSION pack and NOT a separate product and <ahem> PRICE IT ACCORDINGLY, then I'll probably buy it. I love running the trucks and I sure miss 'em right now. If it's $20 or less, count me in: I actually LIKE the idea of add-on packs. I'd also pay another $20 for another 10-15 tracks (real or fantasy). Gunner

Agreed.............

Who didn't see this coming? They screwed us by taking it out of the product, and they want to***us again when we buy it. Twice-screwed. -Larry

We knew it was coming because the tracks had truck files in them already! Well I will pay for new tracks and hopefully (like with N99) they will have a rebate for people who bought N3 & NL you never know. Sierra is pretty good with the rebates.....(I hope!). No matter what way you turn they will always squeeze an extra buck or two and no one is forcing me to buy it. Oh well I'll be a sucker ...............

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> > Yeah, it's those mean French bastards wanting to make a profit, not > Sierra, > > not Papy, naah... ;^) > Hey !!! > Ok Im not a French from France.. it's like comparing a British to an > American or a Aussie, but for your punition, I'll continue to troll joke > against Ubisoft until the year 2000 ;)

You didn't get my sarcasm, did you? I was dissing the guy for stressing the "French" part of who's trying to make the most cash... Maybe you should try translating the posts through AltaVista? OTOH, this could get worse... You don't need that moment to continue your silly campaign, do you? ;^) l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

You guys forget it's not Papyrus that decides to do this stuff...it big daddy Sierra. Sierra calls all the shots when it comes to stuff like this...they just do what they are told. Lee On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:47 -0500, Michael Basden

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>Well folks, > I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was >just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the software >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! >Enough is enough! >I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past >with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just >pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up >for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try >to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this >wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original >release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement >over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to >defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get >more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I >only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without >slitting our throats over N4. >A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, >Mike Basden >P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background >info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new >body style.

I'd rather pay for a Viper Racing add-on pack, frankly. I've bought SIX Nascar Racing products from Papy over the last few years. The fact that the trucks were in NR1999, and pulled out of N3 as a money-making upgrade is, frankly, really starting to wear on my nerves. -Larry

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> >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the software > >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > >Enough is enough! > IF it's treated as an EXPANSION pack and NOT a separate product and > <ahem> PRICE IT ACCORDINGLY, then I'll probably buy it. I love running

the > trucks and I sure miss 'em right now. If it's $20 or less, count me in: I > actually LIKE the idea of add-on packs. I'd also pay another $20 for > another 10-15 tracks (real or fantasy). > Gunner

It doesn't matter who it is. We are the customers, and that is the one constant. For now... These folks are doing their best to burn out my patience, and wallet. -Larry

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> You guys forget it's not Papyrus that decides to do this stuff...it > big daddy Sierra. Sierra calls all the shots when it comes to stuff > like this...they just do what they are told. > Lee > On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:47 -0500, Michael Basden > >Well folks, > > I don't know if a similar thing has already been said but...I was > >just checking out the Papy website when lo-and-behold they are > >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the software > >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > >Enough is enough! > >I think about the work dedicated sim guys have done for free in the past > >with N2 bodies and SCGT expansion packs etc,..and this Papy thing just > >pisses me off. And now with the release of DTR, that you can pick up > >for a mere $20, I can't possibly swallow this tripe that Papy will try > >to pass off as an 'improvement' to N3. <sarcasm on> I mean, surely this > >wasn't anything that they couldn't have put in N3 for the original > >release was it? <sarcasm off> Yes, I think N3 was a great improvement > >over N2. I'm not arguing about that, and I know some of you will try to > >defend it (like I have in the past) saying well, we will probably get > >more tracks too..etc..but frankly I'm sick of their 'cash-cow' scams! I > >only wish there was some way we could revolt against them without > >slitting our throats over N4. > >A very disappointed ex-Papy supporter, > >Mike Basden > >P.S. If someone knows of a good 3DO editor for N3 (and some background > >info on how to use it), I'd be open to trying my hand at creating a new > >body style.

Hate to say this (and I sure as hell don't wanna start a fight) but this is where obtaining an illegal copy would come in handy. Who wants to shell out another $30-$40 for some car shape and a few extra tracks ripped out of the N99 title?

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> I'd rather pay for a Viper Racing add-on pack, frankly. I've bought SIX > Nascar Racing products from Papy over the last few years. The fact that the > trucks were in NR1999, and pulled out of N3 as a money-making upgrade is, > frankly, really starting to wear on my nerves. > -Larry > > >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > > >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the software > > >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > > >Enough is enough! > > IF it's treated as an EXPANSION pack and NOT a separate product and > > <ahem> PRICE IT ACCORDINGLY, then I'll probably buy it. I love running > the > > trucks and I sure miss 'em right now. If it's $20 or less, count me in: I > > actually LIKE the idea of add-on packs. I'd also pay another $20 for > > another 10-15 tracks (real or fantasy). > > Gunner

> You didn't get my sarcasm, did you? I was dissing the guy for stressing > the "French" part of who's trying to make the most cash... You didn't get my sarcasm neither, did you? ;-) I think I know my English enough to not need such tools. Naw.. just wait and see their new title <puke> ;) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

What Papy/Sierra _should_ have done is said: "Sorry, but we didn't have these done in time, and we wanted to get N3 shipped. For our valued customers, here is the link to the free expansion pack that adds the missing trucks and tracks to your Nascar Racing 3 program. Thank you for choosing Papyrus, and for your continued support!" It may have started out like this. But, once the suits at Sierra around the Mahogany Table got wind of it, they checked their wallets and saw they didn't have enough in there for that new Lexus LS430 they had their eye on, and shouted out "Expansion Pack! $29.95! Yeah, that's the ticket!" Or, whatever :) -Larry

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> Hate to say this (and I sure as hell don't wanna start a fight) but this > is where obtaining an illegal copy would come in handy. Who wants to > shell out another $30-$40 for some car shape and a few extra tracks > ripped out of the N99 title? > > I'd rather pay for a Viper Racing add-on pack, frankly. I've bought SIX > > Nascar Racing products from Papy over the last few years. The fact that

the > > trucks were in NR1999, and pulled out of N3 as a money-making upgrade is,

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> > frankly, really starting to wear on my nerves. > > -Larry > > > >advertising "Screen shot for our upcoming Nascar Racing 3 Craftsman > > > >Trucks Expansion pack". Now normally I don't *** about the

software > > > >companies trying to make a buck off of us poor schmoes, but come on! > > > >Enough is enough! > > > IF it's treated as an EXPANSION pack and NOT a separate product and > > > <ahem> PRICE IT ACCORDINGLY, then I'll probably buy it. I love running > > the > > > trucks and I sure miss 'em right now. If it's $20 or less, count me in: I > > > actually LIKE the idea of add-on packs. I'd also pay another $20 for > > > another 10-15 tracks (real or fantasy). > > > Gunner