Guillemot Ferrari Force Feedback Racing Wheel Settings for GPL

I bought Guillemot Ferrari Force Feedback Racing Wheel last weekend and would like to hear from other owners what setting they are using in GPL. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk 100% Magpie

Well since it is a TM Force Feedback retread I think, he got the worst wheel on the market. Plus it uses a whopping 3.5 million CPU cycles for *EACH* FF event! The Logitech by comparison uses only 50K CPU cycles per event. So if this is the TM wheel I suspect a HUGE framerate hit. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Douglas Ellison <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Phil Lee wrote: > > > > I bought Guillemot Ferrari Force Feedback Racing Wheel last weekend and > > would like to hear from other owners what setting they are using in GPL. > > > > Cheers > > > > Phil > > > > -- > > http://www.youpies.co.uk > > 100% Magpie > > > Or are you just here to brag???

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> I bought Guillemot Ferrari Force Feedback Racing Wheel last weekend and > would like to hear from other owners what setting they are using in GPL. > Cheers > Phil > -- > http://www.youpies.co.uk > 100% Magpie

Or are you just here to brag???

Would you mind giving us a brief review? -- Joe Marques

I have order one in Australia and have been told I should have it early next week. Allan Harrison

Mesa want a review ! Im only answering your question if you give us a review. Of course I have no idea of how to answer you since I do not own that wheel.. but that's the trick I shouldn't tell you 8) -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm not here to brag. I only wanted some help setting the wheel up and thought this would be a good place to start. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk 100% Magpie

See my review below. Now answer my question! Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk 100% Magpie

Well I just checked http://www.guillemot.com/northamerica/ and the Ferrari wheel appears to be different from the TM wheels. Guillemont is thrustmasters parent company and I was not aware that Guillemont was making wheels on their own. -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com Phil Lee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:82td8t$3gk$[email hidden]... > Greg Cisko wrote in message <82salm$m3o$[email hidden]>... > > >Well since it is a TM Force Feedback retread I think, he got the > >worst wheel on the market. Plus it uses a whopping 3.5 million > >CPU cycles for *EACH* FF event! The Logitech by comparison > >uses only 50K CPU cycles per event. So if this is the TM wheel > >I suspect a HUGE framerate hit. > > > I have had no frame rate problems in GPL. My PC is as follows: > > P2 400, 64Mb RAM, 16Mb Riva TNT AGP > > I use the OpenGL patch for GPL and with the mirrors set to refresh every 4th > frame, I get 34 to 36 fps using the wheel. I had about 1 fps better > performance when I was using my Gravis XTerminator. > > I've also just run a test in Rally Championship using the Fraps program and > get an almost identical framerate using the FF wheel. > > I can't comment on Thrustmaster products as I have no experience of them and > haven't seen the wheel you refer to but in my experience there doesn't seem > to be a processor hot in GPL or Rally Championship. > > How do you measure the processor hit anyway? If there is some utility that > will do it, I'm happy to run some tests on my system. > > I bought the wheel because I was able to get it a lot cheaper than its > competitors due to a pricing error in a shop and for me it does the job. It > feels a quality product to me and I'm pleased with my purchase. That what > really matters in the end. > > Cheers > > Phil > > -- > http://www.youpies.co.uk > 100% Magpie > >

Only a joke - I'm just insanely jealous...then again - new monitor must come first - I can hardly see what's written on this damned 14 inch thing at 1024x768.... Doug squinting... Phil Lee wrote:

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> > I'm not here to brag. I only wanted some help setting the wheel up and > thought this would be a good place to start. > > Cheers > > Phil > > -- > http://www.youpies.co.uk > 100% Magpie

Greg Cisko wrote in message <82salm$m3o$[email hidden]>... >Well since it is a TM Force Feedback retread I think, he got the >worst wheel on the market. Plus it uses a whopping 3.5 million >CPU cycles for *EACH* FF event! The Logitech by comparison >uses only 50K CPU cycles per event. So if this is the TM wheel >I suspect a HUGE framerate hit. I have had no frame rate problems in GPL. My PC is as follows: P2 400, 64Mb RAM, 16Mb Riva TNT AGP I use the OpenGL patch for GPL and with the mirrors set to refresh every 4th frame, I get 34 to 36 fps using the wheel. I had about 1 fps better performance when I was using my Gravis XTerminator. I've also just run a test in Rally Championship using the Fraps program and get an almost identical framerate using the FF wheel. I can't comment on Thrustmaster products as I have no experience of them and haven't seen the wheel you refer to but in my experience there doesn't seem to be a processor hot in GPL or Rally Championship. How do you measure the processor hit anyway? If there is some utility that will do it, I'm happy to run some tests on my system. I bought the wheel because I was able to get it a lot cheaper than its competitors due to a pricing error in a shop and for me it does the job. It feels a quality product to me and I'm pleased with my purchase. That what really matters in the end. Cheers Phil -- http://www.youpies.co.uk 100% Magpie

On December 11 1999, "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I bought the wheel because I was able to get it a lot cheaper than its > competitors due to a pricing error in a shop and for me it does the > job. It feels a quality product to me and I'm pleased with my > purchase. That what really matters in the end. Phil- I bought one of these wheels yesterday in EB for full price ;-( in desperation really as i seem unable to find a LWFF anywhere. This is not to knock your purchase as different strokes for different folks apply here as anywhere, but ...... Several things i find not to my liking but then i'm a picky sod. There is a large amount of float (free play) in the wheel top bushing allowing the wheel to wobble...if this was on a road car i would fail it in an MOT<S> The behind the wheel gear shift paddles are very soft to operate, give no click feel and have a long throw to switch the gear, i'm never sure i have actually managed to change. The behind the wheel paddles for (optionally) using as gas/brake are so small i can only use one finger on each. This is actually what drew me to this wheel as at present i use a GP1 with big paddles for throttle/brake and i'm well used to it. The floor mount pedals are very uncomfortable to use being high off the base with lots of travel (good), but with swivel tops on its very hard to control the amount of gas/brake when looking for small amounts. Your foot ends up at a very weird angle and tires easy. CH pedals with heel rests seem a much better bet here. I really dont have much thats good to say about this wheel.....IMO the price you paid for yours should be the top retail price! As to FF, i dont have any previous experience of other wheels to judge it by, so i wont try. I did try it in GPL and couldnt in the short time i used it get it to my liking at all.....i didnt want full in your face type feedback , just small feelings of what the car was doing and couldnt seem to get it right. Perhaps you would like to send me your settings so i can get an better idea of what you enjoy. Regards. MikeT -- - Mike Turner [email hidden]

I have a PII 450 128Mb RAM 16Mb RIVA TNT AGP, but was not able to achieve your framerates (24-26 at best) with the same mirror settings.. Which video drivers are you using? Did you have to modify the OpenGL settings in the display properties/settings/advanced... etc? -Keith Daniell Phil Lee wrote:

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> Greg Cisko wrote in message <82salm$m3o$[email hidden]>... > > >Well since it is a TM Force Feedback retread I think, he got the > >worst wheel on the market. Plus it uses a whopping 3.5 million > >CPU cycles for *EACH* FF event! The Logitech by comparison > >uses only 50K CPU cycles per event. So if this is the TM wheel > >I suspect a HUGE framerate hit. > > I have had no frame rate problems in GPL. My PC is as follows: > > P2 400, 64Mb RAM, 16Mb Riva TNT AGP > > I use the OpenGL patch for GPL and with the mirrors set to refresh every 4th > frame, I get 34 to 36 fps using the wheel. I had about 1 fps better > performance when I was using my Gravis XTerminator. > > I've also just run a test in Rally Championship using the Fraps program and > get an almost identical framerate using the FF wheel. > > I can't comment on Thrustmaster products as I have no experience of them and > haven't seen the wheel you refer to but in my experience there doesn't seem > to be a processor hot in GPL or Rally Championship. > > How do you measure the processor hit anyway? If there is some utility that > will do it, I'm happy to run some tests on my system. > > I bought the wheel because I was able to get it a lot cheaper than its > competitors due to a pricing error in a shop and for me it does the job. It > feels a quality product to me and I'm pleased with my purchase. That what > really matters in the end. > > Cheers > > Phil > > -- > http://www.youpies.co.uk > 100% Magpie

There may be a chance ( I hope) that you guys in the UK buying the Guillemot wheel, are actually buying the older version. The complaint about the paddles now should be that they are too firm, whereas the older version was too soft. The new version just went onsale last night in the US at the Guillemot site, and its not in the EB stores here yet. The pre-release review at MGPRS2.com mentioned the weak paddles, but in the updated review said the paddles may now be too firm. Slot

Phil, does your Guillemot wheel wobble because of too much free play the way Mike's does? Slot

GTX_SlotCar <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mgA44.994$[email hidden]... > There may be a chance ( I hope) that you guys in the UK buying theGuillemot > wheel, are actually buying the older version. The complaint about the > paddles now should be that they are too firm, whereas the older versionwas If you get the Logitech FF, the paddles are just right :-) -- Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes. cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com > too soft. The new version just went onsale last night in the US at the > Guillemot site, and its not in the EB stores here yet. The pre-release > review at MGPRS2.com mentioned the weak paddles, but in the updated review > said the paddles may now be too firm. > > Slot > >

On December 11 1999, "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote: > There may be a chance ( I hope) that you guys in the UK buying the > Guillemot wheel, are actually buying the older version. The complaint > about the paddles now should be that they are too firm, whereas the > older version was too soft. Yes this would appear to be the case with the wheel i got, its got a single clamp screw and that marks it down as a version one wheel....well its going back tomorrow and i'm hoping i have a lead on a LWFF for next week. Seems Curry's in the UK have 143 of them in their central warehouse but are not releasing to the stores for some reason. The stores i checked had stock on the pc record system that didnt exist! They grew legs and walked out the store! so central warehouse wont send new stock as the computer says they still have stock in the stores. MikeT. -- - Mike Turner [email hidden]

I wonder if Guillemot plans on phasing out the Thrustmaster line of wheels ? The TM Sprint wheel is marked down $ 30.00. I enjoy having a variety of wheels with paddles and was wondering if I needed to buy up the Sprint wheels if they are going to be extinct? -- Tim A. Deatherage [email hidden] "Admitted Sim Addict"

Mine doesn't seem to wobble or have too much free play. This may be because I used the DXTweak program from Logitech at the suggestion of Alison Hines' page to reduce the deadzone of the wheel to 2%. This seems to give good feel. For those who aren't aware of the utility I got it from: http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/Gadgets/gadgets.htm#DXTweak It gives you access the the DirecX controller settings. Cheers Phil

These are my OpenGL settings: [ OpenGL ] TossHighestMip = 1 MipFiltering = 3 MirrorsEvery = 4 I should also say that I am running at 800 by 600 and have knocked out all the textures in the mirrors. The drivers I'm using for the graphics card are version 2.08, dated 2nd August 1999. Cheers Phil