DX7a:Safe for GPL NL N3???

Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. Steve

Heh...I was gonna ask the same thing...Let someone else be the guinnea pig this time!!!

After installing a Creative Geforce Annihilator Pro, I've had serious problems with FPS in GPL. It looks like FPS got a tad better with DirectX7a, which really isn't a surpise, as one of the DirectX7a's features is lowered loss of FPS when using force feedback (I have a MSFF wheel). I also tried Viper Racing. Couldn't find any difference in performance whatsoever. Jon

DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 different machines and NEVER had a problem.

I put the ORIGINAL DX7 on my computer, when it came out. And that version messed up all of my controllers. Many people have had these problems. That's the reason for DX7a.

I did DX7a this morning then ran a league race. It went very well. I haven't tried NL or N3 yet, but it should work with them too. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Official member: Screamers Racing League Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge NASROC ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch?

O.K. I downloaded and installed it. N3 and NL run as smooth as butter, but I haven't tried GPL yet. I don't know if I am getting a frame rate improvement (never had a problem anyway), but I assume so, however the graphics seem to look a little richer, and my MSFF wheel seems less 'spikey'. A 43 car field runs very well, with all the graphics full on in 1026X800. For those who want to compare my system is: P450 128 Ram V3 2000 MSFF Wheel Steve >Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be >uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. >Steve

Does anyone know if it works OK with a Logitech FF wheel? I understand there were some problems with the original DX7. Kevin > O.K. I downloaded and installed it. N3 and NL run as smooth as butter, but I > haven't tried GPL yet. I don't know if I am getting a frame rate improvement > (never had a problem anyway), but I assume so, however the graphics seem to > look a little richer, and my MSFF wheel seems less 'spikey'. A 43 car field

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> runs very well, with all the graphics full on in 1026X800. For those who > want to compare my system is: > P450 > 128 Ram > V3 2000 > MSFF Wheel > Steve > >Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > >uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > >Steve

> DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 > different machines and NEVER had a problem. Because it's released by MS? Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because it works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > Steve I installed and now my Logitech wingman wheel steering calibrates opposite. When steering left the car turns right. I can fix this in the game but in some (like driver) you cannot change so this has added a new challenge. Vic

I also installed DX7a on my machine, w/ LWFF and all is fine with my machine. But I didn't have a problem with any of the other releases of DX.

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> > Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > > uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > > Steve > I installed and now my Logitech wingman wheel steering calibrates > opposite. When steering left the car turns right. I can fix this in the > game but in some (like driver) you cannot change so this has added a new > challenge. > Vic

All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't spread mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring YOUR machine correctly.

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> > DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and > > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX > > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 > > different machines and NEVER had a problem. > Because it's released by MS? > Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because it > works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL > l8er > ronny > -- > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Dx7a seems to be working OK with my LWFF . At least I haven't got any worse with it! :) David > Does anyone know if it works OK with a Logitech FF wheel? I understand there

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> were some problems with the original DX7. > Kevin > > O.K. I downloaded and installed it. N3 and NL run as smooth as butter,

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> I > > haven't tried GPL yet. I don't know if I am getting a frame rate > improvement > > (never had a problem anyway), but I assume so, however the graphics seem > to > > look a little richer, and my MSFF wheel seems less 'spikey'. A 43 car > field > > runs very well, with all the graphics full on in 1026X800. For those who > > want to compare my system is: > > P450 > > 128 Ram > > V3 2000 > > MSFF Wheel > > Steve > > >Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > > >uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > > >Steve

Try re-installing your Logitech drivers. I still have 7.0 and haven't had any problems with my LFFW. dave henrie

The Wingman site has an update to the control panel that fixes some calibration issues. http://www.wingmanteam.com/Latest_Software/DX_7_0_Patch/dx_7_0_patch.htm Sid.

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> > Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > > uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > > Steve > I installed and now my Logitech wingman wheel steering calibrates > opposite. When steering left the car turns right. I can fix this in the > game but in some (like driver) you cannot change so this has added a new > challenge. > Vic

Hehe nice to see someone with the same system saying that all works fine... Thanks Steve I'll go d-loading in few.... -- Oli BeoRocket Racing http://www.beorocket.co.yu/

No problems here with DX7a or any other DX update for that matter. I've tried it with GPL, NL, N3, SCGT, F1RS, MGPRS, CMR, DTR and TOCA2. The only difference I notice in FF effects is a better "on center" feel in Papy sims, I took 2 seconds off of my best time at Riverside because I was able to drive smoother through the esses. PII 400, 128mb, Banshee, SB Live Value, LWFF. don [|]-(_)-[|] >Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be >uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. >Steve

I've just installed dx7a and now GPL wont recognise my voodoo card any ideas anyone and I haven't found an uninstaller either. Regards Bob

Because it tends to break shit, and you can't uninstall it! -Larry

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> DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 > different machines and NEVER had a problem. > > Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be > > uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. > > Steve

It's not completly foolish. I tried installing direct X 7 & I was forced to reformat my hard drive because my steering wheel would no longer work with N3. Tried reinstalling, uninstalling & recalibrating but nothing would work :(

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>DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and >FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX >comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 >different machines and NEVER had a problem. >> Has anybody tried DX7a with NL, GPL, and N3? It warns that it can't be >> uninstalled, so I want to be sure before I download it. >> Steve

His point is valid. Many people have many problems with new DX versions. Including myslef. DX7 wreaked havoc with some USB controllers (SideWinder Pro USB, for one) and games (MechWarrior 3, for one). It pays to be cautions in DX land, especially since it is not uninstallable. If MS would take away that blasted limitation that's been there for years, then we might be a little more willing to experiment. Not until then... -Larry > All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't spread > mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring YOUR

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> machine correctly. > > > DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and > > > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new

DX > > > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3

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> > > different machines and NEVER had a problem. > > Because it's released by MS? > > Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because it > > works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL > > l8er > > ronny > > -- > > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Ditto... Had to reinstall Windows to get rid of it :( -Larry

>DX7 is completely safe. Well we know not to take your word for it. It causes major problems on MANY people's machines, including mine. You must work for a games quality assurance department. Because software works well on three different computers proves nothing. Joe McGinn _________________________ GA-Sports Writer http://www.ga-sports.com/

The original version of DirectX 7 is not safe on every system, which is why Microsoft felt they needed to create an updated version. If DirectX 7 worked correctly, there would be no need to fix it. It is great that you didn't have any problems with it. However, all PC's are very diverse and it is difficult to make software that can account for every hardware configuration. You shouldn't accuse people of not configuring their machine correctly - it is Microsoft's job to make it work. I am a MCP, and DirectX 7 screwed up my controller, period. Any IS person also knows that any software upgrade should be tested before implementing it on a production machine. I feel people posting to find out if the update is safe is completely warranted. Not everybody has an extra machine, the time, or the expertise to test out a new piece of software and be able to restore their machine to an opperational status after that test is a failure. I have not yet tested DX7a because I want to get a feel from others who had problems with the original version before I waste my time with this update. I hope you are as lucky in the future with your software. Although I personnally do not feel Microsoft is one of satan's minions, I do acknowledge that their software is still programmed by humans and the last time I checked human's aren't always perfect. Please don't flame people who are just trying to be careful. But that's just my opinion. Thanks and have a nice day. Ed Gerstner #135 - Orson-x >All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't spread

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>mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring YOUR >machine correctly. >> > DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and >> > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX >> > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 >> > different machines and NEVER had a problem. >> Because it's released by MS? >> Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because it >> works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL >> l8er >> ronny

Hi I found my problem and it was pure coincidence that it didn't work with the new DX7a the problem turned out to be one of my two voodoo cards making a bad connection on the motherboard. Regards Bob > I've just installed dx7a and now GPL wont recognise my voodoo card any ideas > anyone and I haven't found an uninstaller either. > Regards > Bob > > Heh...I was gonna ask the same thing...Let someone else be the guinnea pig > this > > time!!!

Hi I found my problem and it was pure coincidence that it didn't work with the new DX7a the problem turned out to be one of my two voodoo cards making a bad connection on the motherboard. All seems fine now. Regards Bob > I've just installed dx7a and now GPL wont recognise my voodoo card any ideas > anyone and I haven't found an uninstaller either. > Regards > Bob > > Heh...I was gonna ask the same thing...Let someone else be the guinnea pig > this > > time!!!

>DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 and >FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new DX >comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on 3 >different machines and NEVER had a problem. Maybe because DX7 had a direct input bug which wouldn't allow me to calibrate my WF USB wheel? Logitech was finally able to release a bug fix on Friday after a month of complaints about the problem. Maybe that's why. -Scot add an "N" to my last name to send e-mail

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:08:49 -0400, Vic Greenwood >I installed and now my Logitech wingman wheel steering calibrates >opposite. When steering left the car turns right. I can fix this in the >game but in some (like driver) you cannot change so this has added a new >challenge. >Vic Vic, Go to http://www.wingmanteam.com there is a DX7 patch for the original calibration problem. This may work. -Scot add an "n" to my last name to reply.

oops sorry dont no what happened there > Hi > I found my problem and it was pure coincidence that it didn't work with the

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> new DX7a the problem turned out to be one of my two voodoo cards making a > bad connection on the motherboard. All seems fine now. > Regards > Bob > > I've just installed dx7a and now GPL wont recognise my voodoo card any > ideas > > anyone and I haven't found an uninstaller either. > > Regards > > Bob > > > Heh...I was gonna ask the same thing...Let someone else be the guinnea > pig > > this > > > time!!!

I'm using DX7 and have found it completely painless , although I did reinstall GPL just to be sure.

> All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't spread > mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring YOUR > machine correctly. Please don't start tossing the Napalm. I have two very competent friends who had assorted controller freak-outs with DX7. Any software package as big and hairy as Windoze (and its various subsystems) is going to have "occasional" problems, even with "correctly" configured hardware. -Greg Note! Anti-spam tactics engaged! Remove the duplicate "g" and "s" before replying.

> All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't spread > mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring YOUR > machine correctly. Hey, Mr.Lemming (aka as M$ zealot), I'm not talking about MY system, it works great with DX7, I'm talking about the dozens of posts complaining about messed up systems after installing DX7. Please tell all the game developers your mythical test procedures. They could save a lot of time and money: Test 1: It works on my system. Test 2-100: Not necessary, see Test 1. How did Billy Boy say: There are no bugs, just user errors. Yeah, right... l8er ronny -- The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

You can uninstall it... I have managed to uninstal every version of Directx that I have tried. If you'd like some info let me know. Peter Hooper

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> His point is valid. Many people have many problems with new DX versions. > Including myslef. > DX7 wreaked havoc with some USB controllers (SideWinder Pro USB, for one) > and games (MechWarrior 3, for one). > It pays to be cautions in DX land, especially since it is not

uninstallable.

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> If MS would take away that blasted limitation that's been there for years, > then we might be a little more willing to experiment. Not until then... > -Larry > > All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't > spread > > mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring > YOUR > > machine correctly. > > > > DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3

and > > > > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new > DX > > > > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX on > 3 > > > > different machines and NEVER had a problem. > > > Because it's released by MS? > > > Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because it

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> > > works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL > > > l8er > > > ronny > > > -- > > > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! > > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

According to Microsoft, 7.0a you _cannot_ uninstall unlike the previous versions Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com "skotty20" on WON On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:53:39 -0000, "Peter Hooper"

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>You can uninstall it... I have managed to uninstal every version of Directx >that I have tried. If you'd like some info let me know. >Peter Hooper >> His point is valid. Many people have many problems with new DX versions. >> Including myslef. >> DX7 wreaked havoc with some USB controllers (SideWinder Pro USB, for one) >> and games (MechWarrior 3, for one). >> It pays to be cautions in DX land, especially since it is not >uninstallable. >> If MS would take away that blasted limitation that's been there for years, >> then we might be a little more willing to experiment. Not until then... >> -Larry >> > All versions of DX have worked perfectly on all of my systems. Don't >> spread >> > mindless "evil Microsoft" paranoia just because YOU aren't configuring >> YOUR >> > machine correctly. >> > > > DX7 is completely safe. It actually improves FF performance in N3 >and >> > > > FS2000. I don't understand Why people have concerns everytime a new >> DX >> > > > comes out. It's completely foolish. I've had every version of DX >on >> 3 >> > > > different machines and NEVER had a problem. >> > > Because it's released by MS? >> > > Lots of people had and still have problems with DX7! And just because >it >> > > works on your system makes you think it works on every system??? LOL >> > > l8er >> > > ronny >> > > -- >> > > The box said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed LINUX! >> > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, >> > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. >> > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, >> > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

What would they know? It is possible. mm