$150 to spare... What is the best FF Wheel?

Thank you

ditto here... would like the groups' opinion. (for n3 specifically)

The problem with the "group opinion" is that everyone usually ends up saying that the wheel they have is the best, and everything else sucks. I have the Logitech, I love the dang thing and I would highly recommend it, but I can't say it's better than the Act Labs or the Guillomont Ferrari because I've never tried them. I did try an InterAct, the Saitek, and the Microsoft and they just didn't compare to the Logitech. Honestly, if I were on the market for a wheel today I would probably order an Act Labs. I've heard great things about them from respectable people and the RS shifter would be a nice addition. Plus, I could get a Playstation interface and use it with GT2. "bobb" wrote

I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF. Nice soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. Excellent FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent but I just can't give up the FF. Joe

I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but doesn't really add that much realism to games. So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I prefer the Guillemot's feel. BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which touches the bottom of the desk. Canadians can get paid to surf! https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803

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>I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF. Nice >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. Excellent >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent but >I just can't give up the FF. >Joe >> Thank you

Of course, if you have your computer on your desk instead of on the floor, Guillemot's setup with the cables on the wheel, not the on the pedals, would seem to be a better design. The Guillemot's stick shifter is tight and has a long throw. Nothing like the excellent shifter on the Andretti wheel, but with a screwdriver, 10 minutes of time, and two 1/4 inch bits of ***, it takes on a whole new feel and is actually very nice. I even added a real woodgrain shifter knob to it. The wheel runs straight and true and the FF effects are quite good. For those waiting for my 'shootout' between the Guillemot and the Act Labs wheels, its coming as soon as Act has some units to ship. Slot

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> I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari > wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more > realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though > in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel > and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much > easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the > Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't > wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that > regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on > carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply > unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing > to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but > doesn't really add that much realism to games. > So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I > prefer the Guillemot's feel. > BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, > mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I > don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The > first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the > second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which > touches the bottom of the desk. > Canadians can get paid to surf! > https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 > >I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF.

Nice > >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. Excellent > >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love > >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent but

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> >I just can't give up the FF. > >Joe > >> Thank you

Thanks for the two screws info....Guillemot is still telling me those wheels don't exist (or were pre-production models). Do you not find the FFB levels woefully inadequate in games like N3 and NL? It is extremely weak--particularly where it is important in the subtle and sophisticated forces. Drive into a wall and it will rip the wheel out of your hand. Drive from the apron to the track or step the rear end out and I feel almost nothing on my Ferrari. Do you use either of these titles? What is your experience? Marc.

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> I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari > wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more > realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though > in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel > and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much > easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the > Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't > wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that > regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on > carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply > unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing > to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but > doesn't really add that much realism to games. > So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I > prefer the Guillemot's feel. > BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, > mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I > don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The > first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the > second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which > touches the bottom of the desk. > Canadians can get paid to surf! > https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 > >I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF.

Nice > >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. Excellent > >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love > >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent but

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> >I just can't give up the FF. > >Joe > >> Thank you

No, I prefer the Logitech's cable setup more. You see, with the Logitech wheel only a parallel type connector is attached to the wheel unit. So, to remove the wheel from your desk, you simply loosen the two screws at the bottom and unplug the parallel type cable from the wheel unit. With the Guillemot Ferrari wheel you have to unplug the power and the pedal cables from the wheel unit and then you still have the wheel connected to the computer through the USB/serial cable. You still have to unplug that from the back of your computer whether it's on your desk or on the floor (in my case, a full tower unit beside my desk)...that or leave it chained to your computer. Another thing is that the Guillemot wheel's***makes it fairly "tall"...it doesn't leave much clearance below your desk. However, I prefer the Guillemot's feel in games so far so I plan on keep the Guillemot wheel and returning the Logitech. Canadians can get paid to surf! https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803

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>Of course, if you have your computer on your desk instead of on the floor, >Guillemot's setup with the cables on the wheel, not the on the pedals, would >seem to be a better design. The Guillemot's stick shifter is tight and has a >long throw. Nothing like the excellent shifter on the Andretti wheel, but >with a screwdriver, 10 minutes of time, and two 1/4 inch bits of ***, it >takes on a whole new feel and is actually very nice. I even added a real >woodgrain shifter knob to it. The wheel runs straight and true and the FF >effects are quite good. >For those waiting for my 'shootout' between the Guillemot and the Act Labs >wheels, its coming as soon as Act has some units to ship. >Slot >> I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari >> wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more >> realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though >> in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel >> and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much >> easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the >> Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't >> wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that >> regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on >> carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply >> unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing >> to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but >> doesn't really add that much realism to games. >> So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I >> prefer the Guillemot's feel. >> BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, >> mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I >> don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The >> first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the >> second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which >> touches the bottom of the desk. >> Canadians can get paid to surf! >> https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 >> >I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF. >Nice >> >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. >Excellent >> >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love >> >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent >but >> >I just can't give up the FF. >> >Joe >> >> Thank you

Sorry, I don't have either of those two games but now that I have the wheel I'm sure to go and get some new driving games. But first...an USB hub now that I'm out of USB ports. Canadians can get paid to surf! https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 On Sat, 01 Jan 2000 03:41:04 GMT, "Marc Collins"

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>Thanks for the two screws info....Guillemot is still telling me those wheels >don't exist (or were pre-production models). >Do you not find the FFB levels woefully inadequate in games like N3 and NL? >It is extremely weak--particularly where it is important in the subtle and >sophisticated forces. Drive into a wall and it will rip the wheel out of >your hand. Drive from the apron to the track or step the rear end out and I >feel almost nothing on my Ferrari. Do you use either of these titles? What >is your experience? >Marc. >> I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari >> wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more >> realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though >> in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel >> and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much >> easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the >> Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't >> wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that >> regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on >> carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply >> unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing >> to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but >> doesn't really add that much realism to games. >> So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I >> prefer the Guillemot's feel. >> BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, >> mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I >> don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The >> first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the >> second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which >> touches the bottom of the desk. >> Canadians can get paid to surf! >> https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 >> >I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF. >Nice >> >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. >Excellent >> >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I love >> >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent >but >> >I just can't give up the FF. >> >Joe >> >> Thank you

Ah, you actually disconnect your wheel. I see. Well, don't say that too loud on this ng. :) Slot

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> No, I prefer the Logitech's cable setup more. You see, with the > Logitech wheel only a parallel type connector is attached to the wheel > unit. So, to remove the wheel from your desk, you simply loosen the > two screws at the bottom and unplug the parallel type cable from the > wheel unit. > With the Guillemot Ferrari wheel you have to unplug the power and the > pedal cables from the wheel unit and then you still have the wheel > connected to the computer through the USB/serial cable. You still have > to unplug that from the back of your computer whether it's on your > desk or on the floor (in my case, a full tower unit beside my > desk)...that or leave it chained to your computer. > Another thing is that the Guillemot wheel's***makes it fairly > "tall"...it doesn't leave much clearance below your desk. > However, I prefer the Guillemot's feel in games so far so I plan on > keep the Guillemot wheel and returning the Logitech. > Canadians can get paid to surf! > https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 > >Of course, if you have your computer on your desk instead of on the

floor, > >Guillemot's setup with the cables on the wheel, not the on the pedals, would > >seem to be a better design. The Guillemot's stick shifter is tight and has a > >long throw. Nothing like the excellent shifter on the Andretti wheel, but > >with a screwdriver, 10 minutes of time, and two 1/4 inch bits of ***, it > >takes on a whole new feel and is actually very nice. I even added a real > >woodgrain shifter knob to it. The wheel runs straight and true and the FF > >effects are quite good. > >For those waiting for my 'shootout' between the Guillemot and the Act Labs

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> >wheels, its coming as soon as Act has some units to ship. > >Slot > >> I have tried the Logitech wheel and today I got the Guillemot Ferrari > >> wheel. My initial impressions are that the Guillemot wheel is more > >> realistic in it's FF responses. The Logitech is better designed though > >> in that the cables and stuff come out of the pedal unit, not the wheel > >> and the overall quality of parts is better. Also, the Logitech is much > >> easier to disconnect and remove from your desk. As for the pedals the > >> Logitech unit has small pedals and aren't that good if you're aren't > >> wearing shoes; the Guillemot pedals are bigger and are better in that > >> regard. However, the Logitech pedal unit stays in place better on > >> carpet. The Guillemot isn't bad though, just that the power supply > >> unit is pretty cheap and you have to unplug and do a lot of unscrewing > >> to remove the wheel. The shifter on the Guillemot is a nice touch but > >> doesn't really add that much realism to games. > >> So far I've tried both wheels with NFS4 and Midtown Madness and I > >> prefer the Guillemot's feel. > >> BTW, for the guy who was asking about the screws on the Guillemot, > >> mine has two on the bottom and a lock/unlock thing on the front. I > >> don't know what that second***does, it doesn't really help. The > >> first***has a pad which grips the bottom of the desk but the > >> second one (closer to the wheel) doesn't and just has a ball end which > >> touches the bottom of the desk. > >> Canadians can get paid to surf! > >> https://www.alladvantage.com/joinsecure.asp?refid=ALW803 > >> >I've compared the Logitech WFF and Microsoft FF and I kept the LWFF. > >Nice > >> >soft *** wheel with great paddle shifters. Adequate pedals. > >Excellent > >> >FF feel. USB connection (or serial) so very low cpu utilization. I

love > >> >the wheel. I'm using it more than my $225 TSW2 which is also excellent

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> >but > >> >I just can't give up the FF. > >> >Joe > >> >> Thank you