gp3 pushed back......

GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade paper MCV and HASBRO...... looks like a summer release now... pez

I never would have guessed . . .

Its only a month, back to April, that can't exactly mean huge problems, just another week or too to make sure the product IS finished this time. -- GraDee ------------------------------------------------------------- Karting "3.65" www.esatclear.ie/~karting ------------------------------------------------------------- "The dozens and dozens........." > >GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade paper > >MCV and HASBRO...... > >looks like a summer release now... > >pez > I never would have guessed . . .

where did you get april from???? thats not quite right..... there is no confirmed release date now, all hasbro are saying is that gp3 has slipped its q1 release as geoff wants more time..... pez >Its only a month, back to April, that can't exactly mean huge problems, just

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>another week or too to make sure the product IS finished this time. >-- >GraDee >------------------------------------------------------------- >Karting "3.65" >www.esatclear.ie/~karting >------------------------------------------------------------- >"The dozens and dozens........." >> >GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade >paper >> >MCV and HASBRO...... >> >looks like a summer release now... >> >pez >> I never would have guessed . . .

The whole deal about the 'as-less-info-as-possible' strategy was to prevent Crammond from being stressed & Microprose being the laughing stock of the *** industry. So if that's 100 true, I'd say a couple of blokes at Microprose should be kicked out of the building THIS day....It's a ***y joke -- here we go again! Cheers, Bart > GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade paper > MCV and HASBRO...... > looks like a summer release now... > pez

Why would anybody be surprised ? Guys it's MICROPROSE/HASBRO. They push back dates all the time. Anybody remember the over-hyped Gp2 ? Or MechWarrior 2 ? We should all think "Gp3 will be released some day. When it will be, then good for us. Meanwhile, all the fake hype they are doing isn't worth nothing. Keep our expectations low". Because if we accept and bow to the game producers, we will loose. They will continue to do so, creating fake hype. See : LeMans arcade game, and about half a dozen titles in 1999. And now Gp3. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I hear his priority is developing new and existing tracks for GPL and whatever's left is split between family, leisure time and GP3, his priorities seem to be in place ;-) Hopefully the delay is to implement multiplay.......if not who cares. DN

High Gear lists it as April 3rd. Sky

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> where did you get april from???? > thats not quite right..... > there is no confirmed release date now, all hasbro are saying is that gp3 > has slipped its q1 release as geoff wants more time..... > pez > >Its only a month, back to April, that can't exactly mean huge problems, > just > >another week or too to make sure the product IS finished this time. > >-- > >GraDee > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Karting "3.65" > >www.esatclear.ie/~karting > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >"The dozens and dozens........." > >> >GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade > >paper > >> >MCV and HASBRO...... > >> >looks like a summer release now... > >> >pez > >> I never would have guessed . . .

I have a lot of respect for Geoff and I think Gp2 and gp1 were 2 really great games but don't you think he's a little slow? Or he works on this at spare time and has another job?

Working on getting that "processor occupancy" right :) -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends

Ah! Geof Crammond is Dave Noonan! Now we know.... Heh.. Arthur.

Your willing to discard the sim that although not many believe it, will be the best sim we've gotten out of a sim-maker? Hell, Im sick of getting replies about "GPL is the best, go to hell", but at teh risk of getting another one, IMHO and only thousands maybe millions others who I only wish would visit this NG once in a while GP2 still is the greatest sim ever. Yes, the sim is slow, it only seems like this because for teh past few years a numer of dumbass's have realeased fake dates and everything at a timwe when it wasn't even know GP3 would exist by anyone outshide Microprose. The only "real" delay is the month its pushed back from March to April which 90% of games have done to them, all others are a load of BS to be quite honest. Do any of you know what it takes to get a secure online *** network? It takes huge efforts. Ubi Soft, have put massive work into Game Service and have been working for months on GS3. And its one of the best and most secure servers I've played on, no lag either if you pick your nearest arena, but instead of people flooding to use ones like this in exisance, people *** becuase more people don't waste their time in developing a massive network and months of programming work only to have a crowd of 10 at uthmost peak time! Why should they bother? For such a great thing VROC is, I wouldn't know!?!! All I can say is that I have a bad impression of it. Every talks about invisible cars and lag, lag and more lag and followed by Discos everywhere. And any time I turn up, I am always there alone. No community or anything there, just nobody!

GPL has, hands down, the most friendly and most helpful online racing community that has ever existed. I'm always amazed at how quick GPL people respond to requests for help on driving, or hardware configurations, or anything else. clip > Hell, Im sick of getting replies about "GPL is the best, go to hell", but at clip Hell, I'm sick of all the bashing that the GPL community gets. When has any GPL driver ever said "go to hell"? It hasn't happened. clip You haven't spent enough time with it then. You are going at the wrong time, then. The average number of people either driving or chatting on VROC is about 70. Right now, at 10:30 AM central time US, there are 67 people on VROC. I've seen the total go over 100 several times. These numbers don't compare to TEN and NROS, but the atmosphere is completely different in term of sharing setups and information. In NROS, everything was a secret. -- Pat Dotson IMPACT Motorsports http://www.impactmotorsports.com/pd.html

The reason why the Game Service is empty is because it trully stinks and it's one of the worst online *** service ever done. The lag is incredible and faked in a way that makes people think the cars don't warp. Actually they don't, since most of the time the cars you see on the track are not at all where the real human should be. Instead the poor input/output handling by the servers for the data creates the "stop&go" effect that made everybody mad. That is the reason why people don't care. When the cars are not synchro with others, instead of entering in a "prediction code" mode, the car will go from it's speed to zero in less than a second, then catch up the time it lost in another second. So it brakes and accelerates at speeds impossible to mankind, with the driver probably dead because of the extreme G's he suffered ;) Last time I was on VROC, I saw 75people in the arena. I think you obviously have no idea of what your talking about. And on the N3 beta there was 300people at the same time Saturday night. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I'm not GPL bashing. Every time I szay something that is not praising GPL, I am accused of this, I like GPL too, but not in an Over the top way. I beg to differ but I'm not getting into that right now..... Mabe thats true...... but an empty arena at peak time hardly makes me want to spend more time. Does that mean I ahve to up at 4am to get a race online?

I have no idea what you mean! Although you are right to a point with GS I don't think you have tested it out. This does happen but for only 1 of 2 reason: 1. You ahve a reallty suckie connection, I only have a 33k modem and 90% of races I do are fine. 2. You are not in the right arena. If you are from Europe, Go to Dusseldorf, absolutly no lag! If your from the US, Canaada or othe parts of American, teh Montreal server is lag-free. The other servers do have lag problems but everyone is always in montreal or Dusseldorf so wheres the problem? GS has alotof work put into it, there is a community spirt for those who are regulars, even teh UbiSoft crew are nice foljks to talk too, they take teh time even to speak to you! As for VROC..... Perhaps your right, But the few times I tried it, there was only a maximum of 3 people there at one time. And I was there on good times which shoudl be busy but nope! I'd love to know what I could be doing wrong but that was all I saw, I couldn't even get to experience what ti was like to race GPL online. Not meaning to start this thing again but everyday either you contrdict one of my psots or I do it to you,a nd tis getting old, its always about GPL, you like It, I don't. Its getting old. -- GraDee ------------------------------------------------------------- Karting "3.65" www.esatclear.ie/~karting ------------------------------------------------------------- "The dozens and dozens........." > > Ubi Soft, have put massive work into Game Service and have been working > for > > months on GS3. And its one of the best and most secure servers I've played > > on, no lag either if you pick your nearest arena, but instead of people > > flooding to use ones like this in exisance, people *** becuase more > people > > don't waste their time in developing a massive network and months of > > programming work only to have a crowd of 10 at uthmost peak time! > The reason why the Game Service is empty is because it trully stinks and > it's one of the worst online *** service ever done. The lag is > incredible and faked in a way that makes people think the cars don't warp. > Actually they don't, since most of the time the cars you see on the track > are not at all where the real human should be. Instead the poor > input/output handling by the servers for the data creates the "stop&go" > effect that made everybody mad. That is the reason why people don't care. > When the cars are not synchro with others, instead of entering in a > "prediction code" mode, the car will go from it's speed to zero in less than > a second, then catch up the time it lost in another second. So it brakes > and accelerates at speeds impossible to mankind, with the driver probably > dead because of the extreme G's he suffered ;) > > And any time I turn up, I am always there alone. No community or anything > > there, just nobody! > Last time I was on VROC, I saw 75people in the arena. I think you obviously > have no idea of what your talking about. And on the N3 beta there was > 300people at the same time Saturday night. > -- > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Sure he can only work on this during his spare time. His 'real' job is making track convertors for Papyrus sims a la Dave Noonan.... :) dave henrie really tho...I'm sure the biggest challenge is converting all his assembly code into something that 3d accelerators can chew on.

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> I have a lot of respect for Geoff and I think Gp2 and gp1 were 2 > really great games but don't you think he's a little slow? Or he works > on this at spare time and has another job? > >GP3 is going to slip its Q1 release date according to industry trade paper > >MCV and HASBRO...... > >looks like a summer release now... > >pez

Hi Bruce, Maybe you havn't tried it with the right people then?? <G> I also live in Australia and run in a on-line league based in the USA, with drivers that actually do take care not to hit each other.. In fact the cleanliness of their driving takes precedence over their finishing positions at the end of a race.. The drivers in the league i am based in have an average age of 45 and i can honestly tell you that the driving and competition is squeeky clean.. We are not hot lappers, and we don't let podium fever rule our driving, so you would be more than welcome to drop me an email if you are interested in having some good clean fun and competition on-line, with a bunch of old farts that know how to have some fun.. :)) Like i said, hotlapping is a dirty word to us.. We run the F2 & F3 class of GPL cars mainly, as the racing is cleaner and closer than the F1 cars on-line, plus the egos don't seem to rule as much in F3/F2 as they do in F1.. I am with BigPond, i use a 56k modem, capped at 26400 and i have excellent, warp free connections to our league's servers.. The only hassle is the occasional disco, but that is now improving as the Christmas rush is over and done with.. The Founders Series is based on the F2 cars, plus there is also a F3 and F1 league.. The URL is: http://gmss.homepage.com/ Cheers, Ron Ayton Melbourne, Australia

Uh lol... I think I did !!! You obviously don't know my story with Ubisoft, but for the sake of the newsgroup I won't talk about it again 8) Yepo, my ADSL at 1.2mbits is a suckie connection. The problems is that you probably don't see the problems. Nothing against you, but it's been spreaded wide about the poor quality of it. It's not really their fault (well it is), it's their first attempt at online ***, F1RS had an extremely poor client/server architecture which MGPRS2 has it's root from. Speedbuster is better, but it doesn't require the same bandwith at all. That is true. Some of them that I know are pretty good people online and in real-life. The people at the bottom are doing the job they have been told :) I can see how your opinion of VROC is that bad. At what hours do you connect ? There is normally 50+ people during weeknights around 5-7pm Eastern Standard time, when both the people in Europe and North America are online. -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Hardly earth-shattering numbers, Pat! :o) This (the time difference) is one of the reasons that on-line play leaves me cold. When it's 10:30 AM up your way, it's snoring time here. Couple that with the irritation of having to put up with lag, dropouts, erratic drivers, irrational human behaviour plus the complications of setting up connections and the attraction drops to tooth-extraction level. And before you ask, "yes", I have tried it. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

writes: If that's when the majority of people are online, then I guess so. Although 10AM Central surprises me. I'd expect there to be more people at around 8PM... Out of curiosity, where are you located? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Thanks for such a nice response and invitation, Ron. I'll be in touch. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- > > Hardly earth-shattering numbers, Pat! :o) > > This (the time difference) is one of the reasons that on-line play > leaves me > > cold. When it's 10:30 AM up your way, it's snoring time here. > Couple that > > with the irritation of having to put up with lag, dropouts, erratic > drivers, > > irrational human behaviour plus the complications of setting up > connections > > and the attraction drops to tooth-extraction level. > > And before you ask, "yes", I have tried it. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > Hi Bruce, > Maybe you havn't tried it with the right people then?? <G> > I also live in Australia and run in a on-line league based in the USA, > with drivers that actually do take care not to hit each other.. > In fact the cleanliness of their driving takes precedence over their > finishing positions at the end of a race.. > The drivers in the league i am based in have an average age of 45 and i > can honestly tell you that the driving and competition is squeeky > clean.. > We are not hot lappers, and we don't let podium fever rule our driving, > so you would be more than welcome to drop me an email if you are > interested in having some good clean fun and competition on-line, with > a bunch of old farts that know how to have some fun.. :)) > Like i said, hotlapping is a dirty word to us.. > We run the F2 & F3 class of GPL cars mainly, as the racing is cleaner > and closer than the F1 cars on-line, plus the egos don't seem to rule > as much in F3/F2 as they do in F1.. > I am with BigPond, i use a 56k modem, capped at 26400 and i have > excellent, warp free connections to our league's servers.. > The only hassle is the occasional disco, but that is now improving as > the Christmas rush is over and done with.. > The Founders Series is based on the F2 cars, plus there is also a F3 > and F1 league.. > The URL is: http://gmss.homepage.com/ > Cheers, > Ron Ayton > Melbourne, Australia -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----

> Anybody remember the over-hyped Gp2 ? Overhyped? That thing still resides on my HD alongside GPL, as it is IMHO still the most realistic modern F1 sim (and yes, I did try both F1RS and MGPRS). Greetings, Gregor

As hype, I was talking about the pre-release marketing hype that Microprose gave us back in 1995 and even 94. It was pushed back numbers of time, had previews in actually many places for the time. I remember reading about it on the SRO and some old French magazine that doesn't exist anymore, wow memories <g>. F1GP had still a big popularity so it was probably the most awaited title -ever- for the community (GPL was awaited for only by us the freaks who want realism and only realism). Gp2 had the gameplay to reach the mass market with great customisation. Like Gp3, we had the promised screenshot who never appeared. We had all the missing stuff in Gp2 (rain, radio, etc..) who was actually said to be in the final product, but was not. Not Geoff's fault, he was all-by-himself to create the sim, but Microprose has a piss-poor performance for any of their marketing build-up, and that's a fact since years. MechWarrior 2 is the best example ever I would say in the history of *** (well with Prey and DN Forever but that's not by them). -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Ahh, I see your point. What can be learned from this discussion discussion is then: DO NOT LISTEN TO THE HYPE! (very hard to do) as GP2 is still a very fine sim indeed, but not everything that was promised was in it when it was released. Greetings, Gregor