GPL: Mosport

Low grip, 90% off camber corners, lots of dips and rises... I've been learning this track that last couple of days and only now am I able to keep the car on the road! :o) Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) -- Rob Swindells "Add life to your days, not days to your life." "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

Rob, It "really" is that much harder. If you ever get the chance to drive around it in real life, take the opportunity. Every driver I've ever talked to that has raced at Mosport says the same thing "If you can win at Mosport, you can win anywhere". Check out www.mosport.com for more details on recent improvements to the track. Wayne Hutchison

One of my favorites. I like Steve Smiths description of Mosport - "Driving there is more like dogfighting in a WW1biplane than racing....." Andrew robswindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Low grip, 90% off camber corners, lots of dips and rises... I've been > learning this track that last couple of days and only now am I able to > keep the car on the road! :o) > > Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been > playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) > > -- > Rob Swindells > "Add life to your days, not days to your life." > "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." > "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." > "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent." > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been > playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) It's really tricky - off-camber, roller-coaster, narrow, and those kerbs are *extremely* unforgiving. Good fun though:-) I especially like that bit where there's a crest in the track just where you have to brake for a fast 3rd/4th gear right hander! - Michael

It's definitely the hardest for me. Very slippery and the corners seem to rush up, or should I say down. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

its not :-) just practice the ring abit and you will feel comfortable here as well. as someone posted yesterday on this NG, mosport is the small version of the ring ;-) Lio

Scary crest, I agree... shall I drop gently to 4th before it or do I keep my foot down till I'm *just* over the top and risk visiting Mr Gravel and Mrs Firmslapwithawarmbarrier. Usually I back off, and it's the other *** Mosport rise -- drop down left hander, turn 2 -- that catches me pushing too hard, mainly because it's *so* satisfying when you get it right and come out thrashing it in 4th. Other fearful crests... The 1st and still one of the scariest...Watkins Glen. The final fast left hander at the Ring. You've invested 8+ mins in the lap, do you go for gold or settle for silver? Andrew McP

Hi Rob! It is really hard, not only in GPL, but also in real racing... I drove/raced on the track on a few occasions. On one occasion, I was there with a friend competing in the "Player's GM Series"(we also raced together in F125 & Endurance series). I was dooing his sponsorships/promos deals, so I wasn't racing that year... :( We were walking the track, and when we were in Turn2, a guy fell from his montain bike in the "off camber" section of the Turn !!! This was a participant in an ASA race during the same week-end. The guy was so surprised about that corner's layout, that he asked if we could help him to learn the "tricky" parts of the circuit.(Beeing a stock car driver, he was also very unfamiliar with road courses). That coaching allowed my friend Peter to get a free ride in his ASA's 2nd car, so that racer could feel more confident about giving adequate visibilty to his sponsors(we only had to pay the insurance premium...) That corner is so tricky, that I've seen many cars go off into the grass while letting faster cars by, simply because they were keeping the outside line(which is off camber)... Wow, that reminds me great souvenirs..... :) Cheers! Chris Roy,

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> Low grip, 90% off camber corners, lots of dips and rises... I've been > learning this track that last couple of days and only now am I able to > keep the car on the road! :o) > Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been > playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) > -- > Rob Swindells > "Add life to your days, not days to your life." > "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." > "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." > "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

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> > Low grip, 90% off camber corners, lots of dips and rises... I've been > learning this track that last couple of days and only now am I able to > keep the car on the road! :o) > > Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been > playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) > > -- > Rob Swindells > "Add life to your days, not days to your life." > "The greatest substitute for talent is hard work." > "Doing it, is better than watching it, is better than simulating it." > "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."

Actually, in my GPL history this was the first track that I was competitive on. My first online victory happened there. I guess it suits my style of driving, as this is the only track apart from maybe Zandvoort I can really be on the limit all the way through its corners, not fighting too much over- or understeer. The only rule of thumb I had to learn was that 90% of what feels like good entry speed for almost any corner is just about too much ;).

MichaelJP <[email hidden]> wrote: : In article <[email hidden]>, : [email hidden] says... :> :> Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been :> playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) : It's really tricky - off-camber, roller-coaster, narrow, and those kerbs : are *extremely* unforgiving. : Good fun though:-) I especially like that bit where there's a crest in : the track just where you have to brake for a fast 3rd/4th gear right : hander! Or in my case: there's a crest in the track just where you have to plunge off into a ginormous gravel trap swearing continually for the eternity it takes your car to cross it and hit the barrier. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Exactly. Also, when I first started to learn Mosport, I was catching too much air over the hills. So I just loaded more fuel on until I learned how to go over the hills. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Official member: Screamers Racing League Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge NASROC ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, p.227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to download and archival fee in the amount of Five-Hundred Dollars U.S. E-Mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

writes: I wonder if that's how Schumacher felt at Silverstone...? <ducking> Eldred p.s. at least we have Shift-r...<whew!> -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Richard G Clegg > > Or in my case: there's a crest in the track just where you have to > >plunge off into a ginormous gravel trap swearing continually for the > >eternity it takes your car to cross it and hit the barrier. > I wonder if that's how Schumacher felt at Silverstone...? > <ducking> > Eldred

I wonder what was going through his mind as he sped toward that barrier. Fear? Anger? Or just an "Oh, shit!"? Probably a mixture of all, I'd bet.

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> Low grip, 90% off camber corners, lots of dips and rises... I've been > learning this track that last couple of days and only now am I able to > keep the car on the road! :o) > > Is it really this much harder than the other tracks, or have I been > playing RS2 too much recently...? :)) > > -- > Rob Swindells

Rob, Mosport is my favorite track in gpl. Once you get the hang of it, you can really fly. It has more challenges than any other track, and it's fast. Joel Willstein [email hidden]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:29:11 GMT, Richard ZZ Busch <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >Exactly. Also, when I first started to learn Mosport, I was catching too >much air over the hills. So I just loaded more fuel on until I learned >how to go over the hills. Just *lift* before going over the little bump on the back straight and you�ll be fine. Then again, I think ZZ beat me at Mosport, so pretend I did not say that ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:29:11 GMT, Richard ZZ Busch <[email hidden]> >wrote: >>> >>Exactly. Also, when I first started to learn Mosport, I was catching too >>much air over the hills. So I just loaded more fuel on until I learned >>how to go over the hills. > >Just *lift* before going over the little bump on the back >straight and you�ll be fine. Then again, I think ZZ beat me at >Mosport, so pretend I did not say that ;-) >

If you're talking about the 5th gear bump on the back straight, just before the right-hander, then I found that lifting would cause the car to come down nose first sometimes. Just like it does over that bump at Flugplatz at the Ring. I find that I can't take the jump at Mosport at full speed because I'll not give myself enough braking distance for the right-hander and always overshoot so I actually lift just slightly as I approach the rise and then boot it as I start to climb. This seems to allow the car to be much more stable through the air and results in it landing cleanly on all 4 wheels. This also works at Flugplatz too. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Yes it true, but It was Rene Arnoux that said it I think (I could be wrong). It is in the book "Villeneuve" by Gerry Donaldson. But they say that is what Gilles would have been saying because he was on a flyer that lap! Al Stiff

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> >>>Richard G Clegg > >> > Or in my case: there's a crest in the track just where you > have to > >> >plunge off into a ginormous gravel trap swearing continually > for the > >> >eternity it takes your car to cross it and hit the barrier. > >> I wonder if that's how Schumacher felt at Silverstone...? > >> <ducking> > >> Eldred > >I wonder what was going through his mind as he sped toward that > barrier. > >Fear? Anger? Or just an "Oh, shit!"? Probably a mixture of > all, I'd bet. > I remember reading a comment made by Eddie Cheever after Gilles > Villenueves fatal accident at Zolder in 1982. Talking about the > actual incident (Gilles clipping ochen Masses rear wheel and > cartwheeling through the air at 160mph and ending up out of the > car and up against the armco) Cheever said (this is how I > remember it) "I would have been shitting my pants, Gilles would > have been annoyed at ruining his (qualifying) lap". I kinda > think this is maybe true. I'm not saying Eddie Cheever wasn't a > very good driver but maybe he hit upon the differance between > the good and the great (and quite often dead). > Chris > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network

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In article <88uu2n$a1$[email hidden]>, "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>EldredP wrote: > >>>Richard G Clegg > >> > Or in my case: there's a crest in the track just where youhave to >> >plunge off into a ginormous gravel trap swearing continuallyfor the

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>> >eternity it takes your car to cross it and hit the barrier. >> >> I wonder if that's how Schumacher felt at Silverstone...? >> <ducking> >> >> Eldred > >I wonder what was going through his mind as he sped toward that

barrier. >Fear? Anger? Or just an "Oh, shit!"? Probably a mixture ofall, I'd bet. > I remember reading a comment made by Eddie Cheever after Gilles Villenueves fatal accident at Zolder in 1982. Talking about the actual incident (Gilles clipping ochen Masses rear wheel and cartwheeling through the air at 160mph and ending up out of the car and up against the armco) Cheever said (this is how I remember it) "I would have been shitting my pants, Gilles would have been annoyed at ruining his (qualifying) lap". I kinda think this is maybe true. I'm not saying Eddie Cheever wasn't a very good driver but maybe he hit upon the differance between the good and the great (and quite often dead). Chris * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

That is NOT funny! >Yes it true, but It was Rene Arnoux that said it I think (I could be wrong). >It is in the book "Villeneuve" by Gerry Donaldson. But they say that is what >Gilles would have been saying because he was on a flyer that lap! >Al Stiff

I think Al was sincerely referring to the speed Gilles was doing on that lap, not the nature of his accident. Gilles was out for one last attempt on Q tires, and still quite angry about the previous race's result (Pironi passing him in an unsporting manner). Gilles seemed especially determined to get pole (this is all speculation, also in Donaldson's book) and was lapping with more than his usual amount of determination and speed. Stephen > >Yes it true, but It was Rene Arnoux that said it I think (I could be > wrong). > >It is in the book "Villeneuve" by Gerry Donaldson. But they say that is > what > >Gilles would have been saying because he was on a flyer that lap! > >Al Stiff

Are we talking Mosport or Zolder now? MS "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ab6o0$3g1r5$[email hidden]...

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> > Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ab3jq$7qq$[email hidden]... > > That is NOT funny! > > I think Al was sincerely referring to the speed Gilles was doing on that > lap, not the nature of his accident. Gilles was out for one last attempt

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> Q tires, and still quite angry about the previous race's result (Pironi > passing him in an unsporting manner). Gilles seemed especially determined > to get pole (this is all speculation, also in Donaldson's book) and was > lapping with more than his usual amount of determination and speed. > > Stephen > > > > > > Stiff wrote in message ... > > >Yes it true, but It was Rene Arnoux that said it I think (I could be > > wrong). > > >It is in the book "Villeneuve" by Gerry Donaldson. But they say that is > > what > > >Gilles would have been saying because he was on a flyer that lap! > > >Al Stiff > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <8ab6o0$3g1r5$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Ace <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8ab3jq$7qq$[email hidden]... >> That is NOT funny! > >I think Al was sincerely referring to the speed Gilles wasdoing on that >lap, not the nature of his accident. Gilles was out for onelast attempt on >Q tires, and still quite angry about the previous race's result(Pironi >passing him in an unsporting manner). Gilles seemed especiallydetermined >to get pole (this is all speculation, also in Donaldson's book)and was >lapping with more than his usual amount of determination andspeed. > >Stephen > I think Pole position was too much for Gilles, if I remember he was eighth and Pironi seventh at the time, all he wanted was to get ahead of Pironi. Whatever it was a terrible, terrible tragedy and the first fatality I witnessed in my following of F1, unfortunatly to one off my favourite drivers. Chris > >> >> Stiff wrote in message ... >> >Yes it true, but It was Rene Arnoux that said it I think (Icould be >> wrong). >> >It is in the book "Villeneuve" by Gerry Donaldson. But theysay that is >> what >> >Gilles would have been saying because he was on a flyer thatlap!

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Mark Seery wrote: > > Are we talking Mosport or Zolder now? Zolder. They stopped running GPs at Mosport about 5 years earlier.