FF Wheel?

What wheel should I get? I am considering the Logitech Wingman Formula Force the most. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Dan Belcher schrieb: Right!!! And with CH-Pedals it's perfect!!!!!!!!! Commander

DITTO!!! -- don [|]-(_)-[|]

Micro Pro has the Ferrari wheel for $99. You have to mention Price Watch. It's smooth, more powerful than the LWFF, has paddles and a stick shift and a very good set of pedals. If you're going to spend $170+ for the LWFF and CH pedals, why not consider the Act Labs Force RS and RS Shifter for a few bucks more? I may be in the minority as far as the CH Pedals go. I have a Virtual Pilot Pro and Pro Pedals (had them for years) and tried the pedals for a few days. I really didn't like them for racing, even with the ball under the pedal. The pedals were too far apart for me and the pivot angle felt awkward. I do like them for flying, though. Probably if I spent more time in the air with the Lotus I'd like them better ..... and would have softer landings ;) Slot

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Dan, I'd still say the LWFF...with different pedals if possible, although not manditory. As someone previously mentioned, the CH Pedals have a long throw, allowing minute adjustments of throttle and brake in GPL. I like the CH pedals because they are large with cool little heel rests, my legs and feet never get tired or cramp up, even in long races. The wheel, out of the box, is the most precise I tested in it's price range, but there are still a few small mods you can make to improve the feel. The pot on mine worked loose and was moving very slightly in it's mount, a dab of hot glue fixed that. There are two plastic stops which can be easily removed to increase the rotation of the wheel a few degrees, and small strips of mylar, like the plastic window from an envelope, can be used as shim material between the steering shaft and the wheel itself to eliminate any slop there. Finally, you want to make sure the nut holding the wheel is torqued enough to prevent any excess movement there, but not too tight, you don't want to crack the circuit board under the nut. I used to have a TM wheel and spent as much time changing pots and bungees as I did driving<g>, the LWFF has been trouble free for over 16 months of daily use. -- don "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... everything else is driver-error."

Act labs+shifter Really worth it. > Micro Pro has the Ferrari wheel for $99. You have to mention Price Watch. > It's smooth, more powerful than the LWFF, has paddles and a stick shift and > a very good set of pedals. > If you're going to spend $170+ for the LWFF and CH pedals, why not consider > the Act Labs Force RS and RS Shifter for a few bucks more? > I may be in the minority as far as the CH Pedals go. I have a Virtual Pilot > Pro and Pro Pedals (had them for years) and tried the pedals for a few days. > I really didn't like them for racing, even with the ball under the pedal. > The pedals were too far apart for me and the pivot angle felt awkward. I do > like them for flying, though. Probably if I spent more time in the air with

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> the Lotus I'd like them better ..... and would have softer landings ;) > Slot > > What wheel should I get? I am considering the Logitech Wingman Formula > Force > > the most. > > Dan Belcher > > Team Racing Unlimited > > http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Well, perhaps I should clarify a little more. What Force Feedback wheel would be best for Grand Prix Legends? I don't want to spend over $200, I'd really prefer to spend less if possible. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Whichever one you're fastest with... :-) Seriously, this is a personal-preference thing. I love the MS wheel; some people hate it. Whatever, on no account buy one you haven't had a proper test with, preferably with GPL. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

I've had a lot of experience with the SC&T, and Microsoft wheels. I recently tried out the Logitech and Guillemot (Ferrari). I bought the Guillemot as it just feels a lot better than the others, forces are stronger, superb build quality, and has a POV (v useful in GPL for looking around). The pedals with the LWFF are so poor they put me off. Iain > Dan, I'd still say the LWFF...with different pedals if possible, although > not manditory. As someone previously mentioned, the CH Pedals have a long > throw, allowing minute adjustments of throttle and brake in GPL. I like the > CH pedals because they are large with cool little heel rests, my legs and > feet never get tired or cramp up, even in long races. > The wheel, out of the box, is the most precise I tested in it's price range,

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> but there are still a few small mods you can make to improve the feel. The > pot on mine worked loose and was moving very slightly in it's mount, a dab > of hot glue fixed that. There are two plastic stops which can be easily > removed to increase the rotation of the wheel a few degrees, and small > strips of mylar, like the plastic window from an envelope, can be used as > shim material between the steering shaft and the wheel itself to eliminate > any slop there. Finally, you want to make sure the nut holding the wheel

is > torqued enough to prevent any excess movement there, but not too tight, you

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> don't want to crack the circuit board under the nut. > I used to have a TM wheel and spent as much time changing pots and bungees > as I did driving<g>, the LWFF has been trouble free for over 16 months of > daily use. > -- > don > "Getting hit by a meteorite is an accident... > everything else is driver-error." > > Well, perhaps I should clarify a little more. What Force Feedback wheel > would > > be best for Grand Prix Legends? I don't want to spend over $200, I'd > really > > prefer to spend less if possible. > > Dan Belcher > > Team Racing Unlimited > > http://simcrashes.cjb.net

Dan, I have a LWFF - and I think it was worth the money. Not saying its the best - just that you won't feel you wasted your money. The Microsoft or Guillemot seem to offer better looking pedals and clamp systems, but it all seems pretty closely matched unless you spend the extra cash on the ACT labs one. I did a poll on this group recently and the MSFF and LWFF got equal votes. The LWFF was easy to set up and the only trouble I've had it that the plastic feet on the bottom of the steering wheel unit seem to fall off too easy. The original pedals never seem to bother me. I guess if I was buying another, the slightly lower price and better looking pedals of the Guillemot may swing it. Steve

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> Well, perhaps I should clarify a little more. What Force Feedback wheel would > be best for Grand Prix Legends? I don't want to spend over $200, I'd really > prefer to spend less if possible. > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited > http://simcrashes.cjb.net

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> I may be in the minority as far as the CH Pedals go. I have a Virtual Pilot > Pro and Pro Pedals (had them for years) and tried the pedals for a few days. > I really didn't like them for racing, even with the ball under the pedal. > The pedals were too far apart for me ... Clarification - the Pro Pedals are different than the regular CH Pedals. The Pro Pedals are much further apart than the regular CH Pedals. The Pro Pedals are intended to more accurately simulate airplane (aeroplane for you Brits) rudder pedals, whereas the regular ones are a bit of a compromise (and more suited for driving). Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing *****************************************************

OK, could you guys link me to the Guillemot wheel and the CH pedals, as I would like to get a look at them. (Still contemplating what to buy...) Thanks. Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrashes.cjb.net

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Thanks for the tip David. Slot "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > GTX_SlotCar wrote: > > > I may be in the minority as far as the CH Pedals go. I have a VirtualPilot > > Pro and Pro Pedals (had them for years) and tried the pedals for a fewdays. > > I really didn't like them for racing, even with the ball under thepedal. > > The pedals were too far apart for me ... > > Clarification - the Pro Pedals are different than the regular CH Pedals.The > Pro Pedals are much further apart than the regular CH Pedals. The ProPedals > are intended to more accurately simulate airplane (aeroplane for youBrits) > rudder pedals, whereas the regular ones are a bit of a compromise (andmore

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> suited for driving). > > Dave Ewing > > > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] > ***************************************************** > > >