PART1
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Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit
(RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today).
I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault
nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've
succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me
off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster.
PART 2
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Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little
fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood.
The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the
racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or
wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if
A) I see fit
B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and
reasonably fact-based discussion.
C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision.
Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by
the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time),
or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR.
I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on
perpetuating.
Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you
may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self-
serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your
lame ass outa RASCAR.
Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise,
about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's
heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my
management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I
can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out.
And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught
here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is
race.
Notable threadFlame warJohn Simmons's public tirade against David Fisher and RASCAR critics
John Simmons posted an angry two-part message attacking David G Fisher and announcing he would ask Eldred to remove him from RASCAR, along with insults aimed at other critics that he later admitted went too far. Outsiders such as Andrew and EGK said the episode had put them off joining the league, while McWhom defended the rules and Cliff Roman, Mitch_A and Peter Ives criticised Simmons's attitude. The thread was dominated by profanity and personal insults.
Automated summary.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted:
>And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught
>here today.
The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR.
Andrew.
In article <[email hidden]>, aep@nospam
says...
That lesson was intended for RASCAR members, but whatever.
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >here today. > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > Andrew. >come on Andrew. I would love to race with you. you got these issues in every
league and in life in general. if this is preventing you from joining, dont
let it.
grub
<aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >here today. > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > Andrew.In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
>
> PART 2
> ------
>
> Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little
> fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood.
I admit, the "fuck-wads" thing may have been taking it a little over
the top.
> I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on
> perpetuating.
Well, admittedly not "everyone"...
I admit, the "***-wads" thing may have been taking it a little over
the top.
Well, admittedly not "everyone"...
Wow, being a little hard on the fuck-wads aren't you John. (-: Man, you need
to chill out, it really isn't worth all the aggrevation.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> PART1 > ----- > > Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit > (RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today). > > I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault > nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've > succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me > off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster. > > > PART 2 > ------ > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the > racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or > wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if > > A) I see fit > > B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and > reasonably fact-based discussion. > > C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision. > > Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by > the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time), > or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR. > > I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on > perpetuating. > > Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you > may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self- > serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your > lame ass outa RASCAR. > > Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise, > about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's > heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my > management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I > can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out. > > And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is > race. >On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:36:29 +0100, aep@nospam writeme.com wrote:
Boy, that's for sure. I was thinking about joining a league but not that
one. I watched those replays posted. First ones I ever tried viewing from
another source. I just downloaded them to see what they looked like. It
was pretty obvious the car in front was either purposely trying to block
like hell all over the track or even wreck the car behind him.
Slamming on the brakes when a car is right behind you isn't exactly cool
anywhere, even driving to the post office.
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"There would be a lot more civility in this world if people
didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you"
- (Calvin and Hobbes)
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>On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > >>And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught >>here today. > >The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > >Andrew.
<aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message
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From reading this, I can see why.
J.R.
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >here today. > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > Andrew.In article <Uf32b.6253$[email hidden]>, mgrandy2
@nycap.rr.com says...
> Wow, being a little hard on the fuck-wads aren't you John. (-: Man, you need
> to chill out, it really isn't worth all the aggrevation.
:)
A) That's precisely why it happened. I decided it wasn't worth the
aggravation. Whie I was visiting the Anger Inn, I decided to let it
all out. I'm okay now - honest.
B) I already posted a reply to the original message saying that the
"fuck-wads" thing was a bit over the top and that "everyone" wasn't
keen on perpetuating the pissy bullshit.
See? I'm sensitive and caring.
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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > PART1 > > ----- > > > > Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit > > (RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today). > > > > I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault > > nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've > > succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me > > off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster. > > > > > > PART 2 > > ------ > > > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > > > The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the > > racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or > > wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if > > > > A) I see fit > > > > B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and > > reasonably fact-based discussion. > > > > C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision. > > > > Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by > > the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time), > > or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR. > > > > I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on > > perpetuating. > > > > Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you > > may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self- > > serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your > > lame ass outa RASCAR. > > > > Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise, > > about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's > > heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my > > management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I > > can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out. > > > > And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is > > race. > > > > >
<aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message
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No problem, in six weeks when this has all blown over and everyone is used
to the rules we will have plenty of folks wanting to race with us.
If you have a problem with following the rules then don't join. It is
really that simple.
Sean
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >here today. > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > Andrew.In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Sean gets an "Enlightenment" award. Thank you for making it simple
for everyone to understand, Sean. Maybe since it wasn't me that said
it, they'll "get it".
:)
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> > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > >here today. > > > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > > > Andrew. > > No problem, in six weeks when this has all blown over and everyone is used > to the rules we will have plenty of folks wanting to race with us. > If you have a problem with following the rules then don't join. It is > really that simple. > > Sean > > >On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:46:59 -0400, "McWhom"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
I don't have a problem (or wouldn't, if I could afford a decent
broadband connection) with rules per se. The atmosphere
of RASCAR lately however is a complete turn-off, and I have
no interest in jumping into the middle of a flame war, and
having to endure the inevitable post-race bickering.
John DiFool
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> ><aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: >> >> >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught >> >here today. >> >> The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. >> >> Andrew. > >No problem, in six weeks when this has all blown over and everyone is used >to the rules we will have plenty of folks wanting to race with us. >If you have a problem with following the rules then don't join. It is >really that simple. > >Sean >
"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Right, We all agree, so now instead of argueing about the races we are
argueing over the rules to stop the mistakes that are causing the arugueing.
Frankly I am getting dizzy!
I am sick and tired of all the finger pointing. I have had a bad turn of
events in my life and am really quite pissy these days. If you want to
whine about how horrible the rules are or how unfair this GAME has become,
get the hell out, at the very least STFU.
Not meant for you personally Mr. DiFool, just using your post to elaborate
mine.
We want to have FUN, Everyone just shut up and drive. The Atmosphere around
here stinks and it is time to open the windows and get some fresh air in.
Sean
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:46:59 -0400, "McWhom" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > ><aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > <Big Ole Snip> > I don't have a problem (or wouldn't, if I could afford a decent > broadband connection) with rules per se. The atmosphere > of RASCAR lately however is a complete turn-off, and I have > no interest in jumping into the middle of a flame war, and > having to endure the inevitable post-race bickering. > > John DiFool >In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Well, the flame war part is over.
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:46:59 -0400, "McWhom" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > ><aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > >> > >> >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >> >here today. > >> > >> The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > >> > >> Andrew. > > > >No problem, in six weeks when this has all blown over and everyone is used > >to the rules we will have plenty of folks wanting to race with us. > >If you have a problem with following the rules then don't join. It is > >really that simple. > > > >Sean > > > > I don't have a problem (or wouldn't, if I could afford a decent > broadband connection) with rules per se. The atmosphere > of RASCAR lately however is a complete turn-off, and I have > no interest in jumping into the middle of a flame war, and > having to endure the inevitable post-race bickering. >This Rascar racing sounds so fun(not) i too learned ........1...not to even
bother joining.....and 2.....Cussing always helps get everyone to fall in
line.
Neil
q
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> PART1 > ----- > > Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit > (RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today). > > I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault > nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've > succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me > off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster. > > > PART 2 > ------ > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the > racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or > wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if > > A) I see fit > > B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and > reasonably fact-based discussion. > > C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision. > > Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by > the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time), > or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR. > > I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on > perpetuating. > > Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you > may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self- > serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your > lame ass outa RASCAR. > > Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise, > about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's > heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my > management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I > can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out. > > And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is > race. >
"Neil Canning" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:9Q42b.111559$[email hidden]...
> This Rascar racing sounds so fun(not) i too learned ........1...not toeven
> bother joining.....and 2.....Cussing always helps get everyone to fall in
> line.
>
>
> Neil
Right, right. This is the only place discussions have ever gotten out of
control. No one ever disagrees or fights anywhere but here on RAS when
discussing RASCAR. How about all you bandwagon jumpers just shut the hell
up and talk about F1C or something. Maybe get a fucking life and quit
trying to keep the fighting going here for your entertainment.
Sean
Yea.. cause it is so much better to treat the current members like crap
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, aep@nospam > says... > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > >here today. > > > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > > > Andrew. > > > > That lesson was intended for RASCAR members, but whatever. >Yep, easy to understand
Follow MY rules, do not complain if *I* break them, agree with everything
that *I* say and you can be in RASCAR
Sounds like a winner!!
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > > > > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > > >here today. > > > > > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > > > > > Andrew. > > > > No problem, in six weeks when this has all blown over and everyone isQuoted text (15 lines)
> > to the rules we will have plenty of folks wanting to race with us. > > If you have a problem with following the rules then don't join. It is > > really that simple. > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > Sean gets an "Enlightenment" award. Thank you for making it simple > for everyone to understand, Sean. Maybe since it wasn't me that said > it, they'll "get it". > > :) >And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR
promotional campaign.
"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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. Maybe get a fucking life
In article <c552b.244410$Ho3.30601@sccrnsc03>,
[email hidden] says...
> Yep, easy to understand
>
> Follow MY rules, do not complain if *I* break them, agree with everything
> that *I* say and you can be in RASCAR
>
> Sounds like a winner!!
I just thought I'd let you know that I'm not going to be responding
to non-members posts in RASCAR threads such as this one. This should
save you a lot of time looking for a reply to ping on.
However, if you'd like to join RASCAR, go to the web page here:
http://www.racsar.racesimcentral.com
If you think you can live within the rules as set forth, go ahead and
sign up.
If you have a question about the league, I'll be happy to answer
that.
Then quit you fucking loser!
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <Uf32b.6253$> > A) That's precisely why it happened. I decided it wasn't worth the > aggravation. Whie I was visiting the Anger Inn, I decided to let it > all out. I'm okay now - honest. > > B) I already posted a reply to the original message saying that the > "fuck-wads" thing was a bit over the top and that "everyone" wasn't > keen on perpetuating the pissy bullshit. > > See? I'm sensitive and caring. > Cliff, I thought you left mho to get away from all the bickering?
Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
Pete
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR
> promotional campaign.
>
Then take the threads out of a public NG and go post them on the RASCAR
forums
Sounds simple enough..
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <c552b.244410$Ho3.30601@sccrnsc03>,
> [email hidden] says...
> > Yep, easy to understand
> >
> > Follow MY rules, do not complain if *I* break them, agree witheverything
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> > that *I* say and you can be in RASCAR > > > > Sounds like a winner!! > > I just thought I'd let you know that I'm not going to be responding > to non-members posts in RASCAR threads such as this one. This should > save you a lot of time looking for a reply to ping on. > > However, if you'd like to join RASCAR, go to the web page here: > > http://www.racsar.racesimcentral.com > > If you think you can live within the rules as set forth, go ahead and > sign up. > > If you have a question about the league, I'll be happy to answer > that. >
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR
> promotional campaign.
>No one has recruited me. I have joined, I discussed the rules and penalties
rationally and we have come to a set of rules and penalties designed to make
our racing better. I am my own man and you are nothing but a troll trying
to stir more shit.
Guess what, I am more than willing to entertain you. Do you often jump into
others fights? Do you really feel better imposing your thoughts were they
have no business? What the hell do you care what goes on in RASCAR??
If you want to have a say, if you want to try and change things then join
rascar and race with us. John races clean, John is running this group and
is doing the best job he can. You are not providing any constructive
comments and are simply trying to stir more shit.
Must be a boring life you have, maybe you should go find an old lady to help
across the street. Maybe she will apreciate it. I do not, nor does rascar
need your input.
Is this guy for real? This is comical.
Im not even going to comment on this fools rantings.
Is this really the guy WE want doing anything in RASCAR? Hell we dont need
pretty paint jobs to race.
Why dont you just quit jS you obviously cant take the heat. And youre a
mental case to boot.
Eldred, do we have to split up RASCAR because of JS's ranting and ravings?
Thats where its headed.
As Ive said before I wont give JS the satisfaction of quitting.
I obviously struck a nerve in my observations of JSs behavior or lack
thereof.
Its up to you now Eldred.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> PART1 > ----- > > Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit > (RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today). > > I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault > nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've > succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me > off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster. > > > PART 2 > ------ > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the > racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or > wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if > > A) I see fit > > B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and > reasonably fact-based discussion. > > C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision. > > Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by > the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time), > or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR. > > I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on > perpetuating. > > Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you > may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self- > serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your > lame ass outa RASCAR. > > Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise, > about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's > heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my > management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I > can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out. > > And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is > race. >JS fair...lol
now that is a joke.
DW
>And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR
>promotional campaign.
You mean John now has a mini me????
j/k sean :)
Dan
Notice, I am not arguing.. just pointing out what is screwed up :)
"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Cliff, I thought you left mho to get away from all the bickering? > Sorry, couldn't resist. :-) > > Pete > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i752b.244431$Ho3.31312@sccrnsc03... > > And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR > > promotional campaign. > > > >If you do not want the discussion to be open to the public, take it out of a
public NG
Its not a hard concept to understand
You post a discussion like this in a public NG and you will get input from..
<gasp>, the public
Do I think that the way RASCAR is being run is messed up, most definately.
That is the reason that I have not joined (and yes, I did entertain the idea
a few times).
Now if you do not think that possible members expressing their concerns is
relavent, then there is another issue that should probably be looked at
"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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penalties
> rationally and we have come to a set of rules and penalties designed tomake
> our racing better. I am my own man and you are nothing but a troll trying
> to stir more shit.
> Guess what, I am more than willing to entertain you. Do you often jumpinto
help
> across the street. Maybe she will apreciate it. I do not, nor doesrascar
> need your input.
>
>
>
>
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> > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:i752b.244431$Ho3.31312@sccrnsc03... > > And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the RASCAR > > promotional campaign. > > > No one has recruited me. I have joined, I discussed the rules andQuoted text (7 lines)
> others fights? Do you really feel better imposing your thoughts were they > have no business? What the hell do you care what goes on in RASCAR?? > If you want to have a say, if you want to try and change things then join > rascar and race with us. John races clean, John is running this group and > is doing the best job he can. You are not providing any constructive > comments and are simply trying to stir more shit. > Must be a boring life you have, maybe you should go find an old lady toSeems to me you are one of the folks keeping the soup stirred nicely by
continuing to post garbage like: " If you want to
whine about how horrible the rules are or how unfair this GAME has become,
get the hell out, at the very least STFU."
You do realize telling people to "shut the fuck up" will ALWAYS get you the
opposite reaction. Why, you ask, will it ? Because some folks have big balls
that let them say things over long distances that they wouldnt have the gall
to say in person.
I would LOVE to force everyone on the RASCSAR from a month ago, to sit
together in a room and discuss these problems like men; not snippy, cursing
cowards. I will bet my retirement you folks would have been done in hours,
not days or months. And as a perky little bonus, mayhap the really lippy
ones would have gotten a little makeover.
I dont race in Sierra or leagues. I do basically what you folks in RASCAR
are doing, just on a more private scale. I race with about a dozen friends
and we have had to make a few ground rules as we grew a bit and had to deal
with a few issues. But since we all know each other in real life, we dont
have need for careless and thoughtless personal attacks and crude PUBLIC
displays.
I'm sure this will get me labeled as a firestarter or bandwagon jumper.
Thats just fine, i will consider the source on an individual basis. I kept
my nose out of this facet of r.a.s long enough. This thread, and this whole
"rules" thing was blown way out of proportion, and nobody wants to
compromise or admit any wrongdoing or grow up enough to poll all involved.
The result of which, is and increasing number of "NASty" threads and
interlopers tossing in their .02... Surprise surprise.
However Sean, im sure telling everyone on RAS to "get a fucking life" and
"shut the hell up" has probably righted all the wrongs and you can just
ignore this anyway.
Peace, Love, and a loaded gun, brutha..
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If you do not want the discussion to be open to the public, take it out ofa
> public NG
>
> Its not a hard concept to understand
>
> You post a discussion like this in a public NG and you will get inputfrom..
> <gasp>, the public
>
> Do I think that the way RASCAR is being run is messed up, most definately.
> That is the reason that I have not joined (and yes, I did entertain theidea
> a few times).
>
> Now if you do not think that possible members expressing their concerns is
> relavent, then there is another issue that should probably be looked at
>
>You did not pose any questions about possible membership. Open discussion
is a good thing. Feel free to contribute, please.
However, just adding to the fire is not positive input. We have had enough
shit thrown around and I personally am sick of it.
John has been attacked for doing the best he can. John is and will be
running rascar for the forseeable future. There are only a couple of guys
at this point raising a huge stink and the peanut gallery only appears to be
adding fuel to the fire.
I welcome any constructive critisism or input
Sean
"Mitch_A" wrote...
> <snip>
> Is this really the guy WE want doing anything in
> RASCAR? <snip>
Who's we?
Jan.
=---
"GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Seems to me you are one of the folks keeping the soup stirred nicely by
> continuing to post garbage like: " If you want to
> whine about how horrible the rules are or how unfair this GAME has become,
> get the hell out, at the very least STFU."
> You do realize telling people to "shut the fuck up" will ALWAYS get youthe
> opposite reaction. Why, you ask, will it ? Because some folks have bigballs
> that let them say things over long distances that they wouldnt have thegall
> to say in person.
> I would LOVE to force everyone on the RASCSAR from a month ago, to sit
> together in a room and discuss these problems like men; not snippy,cursing
> cowards. I will bet my retirement you folks would have been done in hours,
> not days or months. And as a perky little bonus, mayhap the really lippy
> ones would have gotten a little makeover.
> I dont race in Sierra or leagues. I do basically what you folks in RASCAR
> are doing, just on a more private scale. I race with about a dozen friends
> and we have had to make a few ground rules as we grew a bit and had todeal
> with a few issues. But since we all know each other in real life, we dont
> have need for careless and thoughtless personal attacks and crude PUBLIC
> displays.
> I'm sure this will get me labeled as a firestarter or bandwagon jumper.
> Thats just fine, i will consider the source on an individual basis. I kept
> my nose out of this facet of r.a.s long enough. This thread, and thiswhole
Very well put, and you are correct. I am normally a very composed person
and have contributed to the discussion in a positive way to try and
compromise. If you have truly been following the threads you will have seen
this.
At this point, and I have already admitted this, I have personal issues that
have me a little short on patience. There is a poll posted on our forum, I
posted it. There is also way to much going on here at r.a.s. and I have
said so. I tried to settle things down, new threads have been started that
are out of line. So yeah, I am jumping in with both feet. I wish more
people would post rational input like you have.
Being constructive and positive has not helped. The last gasp here is to
YELL! Loudly! Maybe it will work.
Sean
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> "rules" thing was blown way out of proportion, and nobody wants to > compromise or admit any wrongdoing or grow up enough to poll all involved. > The result of which, is and increasing number of "NASty" threads and > interlopers tossing in their .02... Surprise surprise. > However Sean, im sure telling everyone on RAS to "get a fucking life" and > "shut the hell up" has probably righted all the wrongs and you can just > ignore this anyway. > Peace, Love, and a loaded gun, brutha.. >Do you honestly believe what JS is saying is ok? If so you need to dismount
ur lips from his ass :)
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > <snip> > > Is this really the guy WE want doing anything in > > RASCAR? <snip> > > Who's we? > > Jan. > =--- > >I did offer ways for things to get better..
Such as, Have John actually listen to the other drivers and respect their
input instead of having the "I am the boss, what I say goes" attitude
It has also been mentioned several times to have some sort of voting system
when it comes to new ideas and rule implementations. As stated earlier,
RASCAR is not John's league. He may think that it is "his league" but in
all reality it is just a grouping of people from R.A.S. that would like to
race together once in awhile. It was formed by the group, not by one person.
Also, "John has been attacked for doing the best he can" does not mean
anything.. sorry. Everyone can do the best they can, but if what you are
doing is not good enough or is wrong for the situation... it does not
matter.
I do not think the major debate is on if he is doing the best he can, the
debate is on the fact that there are many drivers that do not agree with the
way it is being done and the only response they get from John is basically
the "my way or the highway" attitude. If he would just get rid of that
attitude, treat the others with a little bit of respect.. I think things
would get alot better
"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:iG52b.243937$o%2.110484@sccrnsc02...
> > If you do not want the discussion to be open to the public, take it outof
definately.
> > That is the reason that I have not joined (and yes, I did entertain the
> idea
> > a few times).
> >
> > Now if you do not think that possible members expressing their concernsis
> > relavent, then there is another issue that should probably be looked at
> >
> >
> You did not pose any questions about possible membership. Open discussion
> is a good thing. Feel free to contribute, please.
> However, just adding to the fire is not positive input. We have hadenough
> shit thrown around and I personally am sick of it.
> John has been attacked for doing the best he can. John is and will be
> running rascar for the forseeable future. There are only a couple of guys
> at this point raising a huge stink and the peanut gallery only appears tobe
> adding fuel to the fire.
> I welcome any constructive critisism or input
>
> Sean
>
>
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> a > > public NG > > > > Its not a hard concept to understand > > > > You post a discussion like this in a public NG and you will get input > from.. > > <gasp>, the public > > > > Do I think that the way RASCAR is being run is messed up, mostThe only way things are going to improve is if JS quits as he should!
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I did offer ways for things to get better..
>
> Such as, Have John actually listen to the other drivers and respect their
> input instead of having the "I am the boss, what I say goes" attitude
>
> It has also been mentioned several times to have some sort of votingsystem
> when it comes to new ideas and rule implementations. As stated earlier,
> RASCAR is not John's league. He may think that it is "his league" but in
> all reality it is just a grouping of people from R.A.S. that would like to
> race together once in awhile. It was formed by the group, not by oneperson.
the
out
the
> > idea
> > > a few times).
> > >
> > > Now if you do not think that possible members expressing theirconcerns
> is
> > > relavent, then there is another issue that should probably be lookedat
> > >
> > >
> > You did not pose any questions about possible membership. Opendiscussion
> > is a good thing. Feel free to contribute, please.
> > However, just adding to the fire is not positive input. We have had
> enough
> > shit thrown around and I personally am sick of it.
> > John has been attacked for doing the best he can. John is and will be
> > running rascar for the forseeable future. There are only a couple ofguys
> > at this point raising a huge stink and the peanut gallery only appearsto
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> > Also, "John has been attacked for doing the best he can" does not mean > anything.. sorry. Everyone can do the best they can, but if what you are > doing is not good enough or is wrong for the situation... it does not > matter. > > I do not think the major debate is on if he is doing the best he can, the > debate is on the fact that there are many drivers that do not agree withQuoted text (14 lines)
> way it is being done and the only response they get from John is basically > the "my way or the highway" attitude. If he would just get rid of that > attitude, treat the others with a little bit of respect.. I think things > would get alot better > > > > > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iG52b.243937$o%2.110484@sccrnsc02... > > > If you do not want the discussion to be open to the public, take itQuoted text (13 lines)
> of > > a > > > public NG > > > > > > Its not a hard concept to understand > > > > > > You post a discussion like this in a public NG and you will get input > > from.. > > > <gasp>, the public > > > > > > Do I think that the way RASCAR is being run is messed up, most > definately. > > > That is the reason that I have not joined (and yes, I did entertainQuoted text (9 lines)
> be > > adding fuel to the fire. > > I welcome any constructive critisism or input > > > > Sean > > > > > >"Mitch_A" wrote...
> Do you honestly believe what JS is saying is ok? If
> so you need to dismount ur lips from his ass :)
I've seen worse and you are also proprieting a lot more support than you
actually have.
Jan.
=---
I actually think it could get better with John still in RASCAR. For the
most part he does a great job. He just lacks some.. umm... People Skills
Like I said, he just needs to treat people with a little bit of respect.
Everyone in this group deserves respect. For the most part, we have all
been around for a very long time. Even if someone hasn't, they still
deserve respect..
If I saw that drivers were getting "fair shakes" and John was actually
listening to others instead of decided that his way is the only right way..
I would probably join RASCAR immediately. As it stands now though, I just
have no desire to race with someone that can not show respect to others.
I love the idea behind RASCAR.. a get together to have some racing fun with
each other. Problem is, the idea was great.. the implementation of it was
horrible (at least it has become horrible).
Racing is never fun when you have someone dictating to you to the extent
that it has become. Rules are fine, if they do not assume that everyone is
5 years old and needs to have their hand held the entire time
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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their
> > input instead of having the "I am the boss, what I say goes" attitude
> >
> > It has also been mentioned several times to have some sort of voting
> system
> > when it comes to new ideas and rule implementations. As stated earlier,
> > RASCAR is not John's league. He may think that it is "his league" butin
> > all reality it is just a grouping of people from R.A.S. that would liketo
> > race together once in awhile. It was formed by the group, not by one
> person.
> >
> > Also, "John has been attacked for doing the best he can" does not mean
> > anything.. sorry. Everyone can do the best they can, but if what youare
> > doing is not good enough or is wrong for the situation... it does not
> > matter.
> >
> > I do not think the major debate is on if he is doing the best he can,the
> > debate is on the fact that there are many drivers that do not agree with
> the
> > way it is being done and the only response they get from John isbasically
input
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> The only way things are going to improve is if JS quits as he should! > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6N62b.246531$uu5.51467@sccrnsc04... > > I did offer ways for things to get better.. > > > > Such as, Have John actually listen to the other drivers and respectQuoted text (21 lines)
> > the "my way or the highway" attitude. If he would just get rid of that > > attitude, treat the others with a little bit of respect.. I think things > > would get alot better > > > > > > > > > > "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:iG52b.243937$o%2.110484@sccrnsc02... > > > > If you do not want the discussion to be open to the public, take it > out > > of > > > a > > > > public NG > > > > > > > > Its not a hard concept to understand > > > > > > > > You post a discussion like this in a public NG and you will getQuoted text (39 lines)
> > > from.. > > > > <gasp>, the public > > > > > > > > Do I think that the way RASCAR is being run is messed up, most > > definately. > > > > That is the reason that I have not joined (and yes, I did entertain > the > > > idea > > > > a few times). > > > > > > > > Now if you do not think that possible members expressing their > concerns > > is > > > > relavent, then there is another issue that should probably be looked > at > > > > > > > > > > > You did not pose any questions about possible membership. Open > discussion > > > is a good thing. Feel free to contribute, please. > > > However, just adding to the fire is not positive input. We have had > > enough > > > shit thrown around and I personally am sick of it. > > > John has been attacked for doing the best he can. John is and will be > > > running rascar for the forseeable future. There are only a couple of > guys > > > at this point raising a huge stink and the peanut gallery only appears > to > > be > > > adding fuel to the fire. > > > I welcome any constructive critisism or input > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > >
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I did offer ways for things to get better..
>
> Such as, Have John actually listen to the other drivers and respect their
> input instead of having the "I am the boss, what I say goes" attitude
>He has listened, tried different ideas, changed them, and so on. He has
said already, and it is true. The current rule set has only one change to
it.
Most of that has been hashed out here, some on the website forum.
> It has also been mentioned several times to have some sort of votingsystem
> when it comes to new ideas and rule implementations. As stated earlier,
> RASCAR is not John's league. He may think that it is "his league" but in
> all reality it is just a grouping of people from R.A.S. that would like to
> race together once in awhile. It was formed by the group, not by oneperson.
>
I posted a poll (vote) on the forum. So far only 8 votes. 5 wait and see,
2 happy with current set, 1 stricter penalties, 0 needs more work
So the people that want a vote don't seem to be participating or are not a
part of the group.
> Also, "John has been attacked for doing the best he can" does not mean
> anything.. sorry. Everyone can do the best they can, but if what you are
> doing is not good enough or is wrong for the situation... it does not
> matter.
>
The majority of members have remained silent, There have been three (forgive
me if I have this number wrong) major disenters (sp?) me being one of
them, obviously I have changed my mind.
This can only be taken as acceptance of the situation.
> I do not think the major debate is on if he is doing the best he can, the
> debate is on the fact that there are many drivers that do not agree withthe
> way it is being done and the only response they get from John is basically
> the "my way or the highway" attitude. If he would just get rid of that
> attitude, treat the others with a little bit of respect.. I think things
> would get alot better
>
I agree, Johns people skills could be better. Then again, I and most here
only know John as a bunch of words or a graphical simulation (racecar).
Kind of hard to be personable that way.
Sean
>
>
><Big ole Snip>
In article <0V62b.85218$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
You're wasting your time, Jan.
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > Do you honestly believe what JS is saying is ok? If > > so you need to dismount ur lips from his ass :) > > I've seen worse and you are also proprieting a lot more support than you > actually have. > > Jan. > =--- >In article <[email hidden]>, John
Simmons <[email hidden]> writes
<big rant snipped>
And that's supposed to put everyone's mind at rest over the issue is it?
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
For the recod, I have not voted.
I have never claimed to be PC, tolerant of absurdity, or willing to
put up with excessive bullshit. People skills be damned, if someone
presses me, they'll get both barrels, and my fuse is a lot shorter
than most people's (actually, it's a lot longer than it used to be).
Quoted text (17 lines)
> > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6N62b.246531$uu5.51467@sccrnsc04... > > It has also been mentioned several times to have some sort of voting > system > > when it comes to new ideas and rule implementations. As stated earlier, > > RASCAR is not John's league. He may think that it is "his league" but in > > all reality it is just a grouping of people from R.A.S. that would like to > > race together once in awhile. It was formed by the group, not by one > person. > > > > I posted a poll (vote) on the forum. So far only 8 votes. 5 wait and see, > 2 happy with current set, 1 stricter penalties, 0 needs more work > So the people that want a vote don't seem to be participating or are not a > part of the group.Quoted text (13 lines)
> > I do not think the major debate is on if he is doing the best he can, the > > debate is on the fact that there are many drivers that do not agree with > the > > way it is being done and the only response they get from John is basically > > the "my way or the highway" attitude. If he would just get rid of that > > attitude, treat the others with a little bit of respect.. I think things > > would get alot better > > > > I agree, Johns people skills could be better. Then again, I and most here > only know John as a bunch of words or a graphical simulation (racecar). > Kind of hard to be personable that way. >You make this out as some sort of political battle. It isnt. JS took a
group idea and has stolen that and replaced it with HIS politics, which are
about like Hilary Clintons. Vast right wing conspiracy with no personal
responsibility LOL...
He instigates then uses that to have his way. Yea great leadership quality.
As Ive said we dont need a FN leader. I dont need to be treated like a
child that cannot think for himself under any circumstance Jan. If you like
to be treated that way fine, GO with YOUR leader and form YOUR OWN SERIES.
Dont come here and take whats not yours.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > Do you honestly believe what JS is saying is ok? If > > so you need to dismount ur lips from his ass :) > > I've seen worse and you are also proprieting a lot more support than you > actually have. > > Jan. > =--- > >In article <[email hidden]>, McWhom
<[email hidden]> writes
No you didn't. You had no say whatsoever in the set of rules, and
that's the problem. I had been hoping to join RASCAR once I got my
connection properly sorted in the near future. I had even had a go at
creating my own paintscheme - something I'm not very adept at, but
thought I'd give it a try - but now I'll have to save it for somewhere
else.
--
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> >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:i752b.244431$Ho3.31312@sccrnsc03... >> And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the >RASCAR >> promotional campaign. >> >No one has recruited me. I have joined, I discussed the rules and penalties >rationally and we have come to a set of rules and penalties designed to >make >our racing better.If youre so intolerant of absurdity you really need to just KILL YOURSELF
NOW! \
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> I have never claimed to be PC, tolerant of absurdity, or willing to
> put up with excessive bullshit. People skills be damned, if someone
> presses me, they'll get both barrels, and my fuse is a lot shorter
> than most people's (actually, it's a lot longer than it used to be).
>
"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:46fF2PAh+PS$[email hidden]...
penalties
Have you been reading the forum?
http://rascar.racesimcentral.com/
I watched up till about mid week this week. I have had discussions and I
have decided that we need to see how this works
I will also act how I decide and deal with any penalties.
If I decide it does not work for me I will find somewhere else to race.
It is really that simple.
I do feel like John read my posts, made intelligent replies, and
subsequently convinced me.
That is pretty much how a discussion goes.
Sean
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> In article <[email hidden]>, McWhom > <[email hidden]> writes > > > >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:i752b.244431$Ho3.31312@sccrnsc03... > >> And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the > >RASCAR > >> promotional campaign. > >> > >No one has recruited me. I have joined, I discussed the rules andQuoted text (15 lines)
> >rationally and we have come to a set of rules and penalties designed to > >make > >our racing better. > > No you didn't. You had no say whatsoever in the set of rules, and > that's the problem. I had been hoping to join RASCAR once I got my > connection properly sorted in the near future. I had even had a go at > creating my own paintscheme - something I'm not very adept at, but > thought I'd give it a try - but now I'll have to save it for somewhere > else. > -- > Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77 Okay carry on then. :-)
Pete
"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Notice, I am not arguing.. just pointing out what is screwed up :)
>
>
I don't believe in a voting system, not for sim racing.
What I do believe is the idea that there is a league somewhere out there for
virtually every type of personality. As a member of any league, whether I agree
on the rules or not, is moot. What is important to me, and what I feel everyone
should consider, is do the rules of a given league suit you? If they don't then
simply move on.
I also try to accept that, over time, certain admins gain respect over the
years. Most come and go, wanting to really only race with their friends. It
being only the second year John is 'running' RASCAR, a verdict on his skills as
an admin at this point would be rushed at best.
I have tried to admin a league. You'll find most people who are at least very
good at sim racing avoid being an admin like the plague. There has to be a
reason for it and, I suspect, being judged so harshly has to be just as much an
influence not to admin as is the workload required.
Cliff, in my opinion John does listen. He has on several occasions. Perhaps if
you had been involved in RASCAR discussions all along most people here could
understand more where you're coming from. Sure, John can drive a hard bargain.
But I've said it many times; for me personally, I need rules. And I need
someone who will inforce them on a regular basis and not inflict the group with
more gray areas. For RASCAR, John is that person for me. As for you stating
many think John is wrong, I beg to differ. Most people who Still race RASCAR
have kept silent. If you look closely, the numbers clearly say John has the
support of the majority.
I flamed him and Eldred for my race suspension, quit, and was promptly ignored
by them, being invited to stick around and given the chance to swallow my pride.
That didn't happen on OLR, it didn't happen in the league my brother and I were
accused of cheating, and it didn't happen for me in the NROS. The only league I
ever won dwindled down to nothing to the point where it dimished the
achievement. Now RASCAR wants me to start in the back if I win... Me, the guy
who gets pissed when someone cuts under him :)))
If I commit to racing here, and there is a rule I don't agree with, I'll state
it, and lobby for a change. If I don't get it and it is important enough to me,
I'll leave, plain and simple. But at least I tried to change it from within. I
haven't even read all the new rules for RASCAR and I'm sure of at least that
much.
I'm really not sure what David or Mitch hoped to accomplish by being so
antaganitstic to John. Not saying they're wrong on every point. But they are
not going to win. As long as John and Eldred work together as well as they do
it's their call. Period.
Maybe I am missing something when I see non members choose to decide how and
what the league should be doing. But I can't see myself investing so much time
in a league I would never race in. To me that's just a waist.
To anyone who is considering joining RASCAR, RASCAR IS r.a.s.
I cannot stress how simple that should be for everyone, whether we like it or
not. It has helped the racing league, and it has hurt it. But it is what it
is. It's not changing, so please either deal with it or remind yourself it does
say RASCAR on the thread.
If you want to race in RASCAR, and you're concerned the rules are too heavy
handed, race here, and find out for yourself if it has something to offer you.
Don't listen to anyone else to make your mind up for you; not me, not John, not
Mitch, David, Cliff, Larry, ... decide for yourself.
Since RASCAR still maintains an open invite, I can't think of any reason you
would decide Not to race based on what is said in a forum. For me personally,
anyone who is trying to improve the quality of racing by reducing cautions in
Any manner short of turning yellows off, deserves a chance to prove me wrong.
I'm certainly all for giving them a chance to fail at it :)
-
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You're sure fucking right on that score, John. I for one found it pretty
offensive...
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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > PART 2 > > ------ > > > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > I admit, the "fuck-wads" thing may have been taking it a little over > the top."Tim" wrote:
> I'm really not sure what David or Mitch hoped to accomplish by being so
> antaganitstic to John. Not saying they're wrong on every point. Butthey are
> not going to win.
Classic usenet stuff I am afraid, Tim. Though it is hardly one sided. Once
a level is reached then every opportunity to flame is taken and there is
always a determination to have the last word. Nobody wins, but guys who
might otherwise agree to disagree end up hating each other as the heat of
the moment is protracted over days, even weeks.
I am sure Bruce has a better explanation :)
Cheers
Tony
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Awww. Johnny's fed up. You acted like a dick in that practice session. You
made rude comments to the guy you crashed into in one incident. I said
nothing rude to you. I could have. You were weaving all over the place, and
you were racing me in practice. You 100% caused the second incident (find
one person who thinks you didn't), and you then IMMEDIATELY threatened to
kick me off the server. You're an out of control, small dicked, insecure,
cowboy wanna be.
You've ruined RASCAR.
Congratulations.
Eldred can respond here and tell me that your behavior yesterday was
correct, and I'm off his RASCAR server.
BTW John, I was on Eldred's RASF1 server earlier, and even without you to
CONTROL things, it all went well. Mitch was there too. We didn't ruin
things....imagine that. I even won the race.
David G Fisher
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> PART1 > ----- > > Ya know what Dave, I'm thoroughly fed up with your bull-fuckin-shit > (RE: RASCAR - Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today). > > I'm gonna lean on Eldred to kick your cry-baby it-wasn't-my-fault > nobody-knows-how-to-drive-but-me ass out of RASCAR. There, you've > succeeded in driving right past annoying and into outright pissing me > off. Consider yourself off the fucking roster. > > > PART 2 > ------ > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > The rules ON THE WEBSITE are the rules. They are there to improve the > racing, not to intrude on your own twisted idea of what is right or > wrong. The penalties WILL be handed out for the reasons given if > > A) I see fit > > B) You can't convince me I'm wrong through RATIONAL, CIVIL, and > reasonably fact-based discussion. > > C) And finally, unless Edred overrules the decision. > > Now, if you don't trust me to be fair, or if you just can't live by > the rules (or the fact that they may be tweaked from time to time), > or if you just haven't been paying attention, QUIT RASCAR. > > I'm tired of the pissy bullshit that everyone seems so keen on > perpetuating. > > Lastly, Dave, I won't be responding to any messages from you, so you > may as well just sit back, choke your chicken, and revel in self- > serving satisfaction that I lost all sense of control and kicked your > lame ass outa RASCAR. > > Mitch, one more lame-ass word or direct, indirect, or otherwise, > about last years's Bristol spring race, and you'll be hot on Dave's > heals. I recommend that you also back off on the criticisms of my > management style. Either deal with the fact that I'm doing the best I > can and for THE GROUP, for get the fuck out. > > And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > here today. I'm completely out of patience - all I want to do is > race. >In article <bib1vs$580$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
I was mad. What can I say?
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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > PART 2 > > > ------ > > > > > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > > > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > > > I admit, the "fuck-wads" thing may have been taking it a little over > > the top. > > You're sure fucking right on that score, John. I for one found it pretty > offensive... >"John Simmons" wrote:
> I was mad. What can I say?
That you are going to give DGF a big slobbery kiss and hug, make up and
agree what silly billies you both have been?
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"I was a mad idiot with my head fully up my ass" would work very well.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> jerked off in message
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> I was mad. What can I say?
I know you and everyone else in r.a.s are primarily good folk and mean well.
I wouldnt have been here for the past 3 or 4 years if it wasnt. But since
the post race vent in here a few weeks ago, things are rolling downhill and
still gathering speed. I really hate to see the brotherhood (so to speak) of
the clan here rattled around by stuff that really isnt any big wiggle when
ya look at it.
I know that RASCAR business is your own business. But, on the flip side,
half of RASCAR is r.a.s :). You are gonna hear what the other half thinks
from time to time. You may not be on Survivor, but CBS banked on its
popularity by guessing a lot of folks would spend all week gossiping and
making opinions as to the who, what, and wheres.
I have chimed in once before. Guilty as charged. My issue was with what i
thought was John being a little coarse. I respect and appreciate John and
Eldred for taking initative and time to make RASCAR for truly being more
than the sum of its parts. Reading race reports and stories of hedonism and
heroism make this newsgroup even more entertaining. Being in automotive for
years, i knew a lot of guys like John that were no nonsense types when it
comes to business and organizational deals. I respect that aspect as well,
and am not so far from that level myself. I also did a year or so of time on
TEN as a Guide, whispering kindly to spew boy (or girl) that behavior of
that type will be tolerated very little. That the only real excuse i can try
and lay back on for crossing the boundary and finally raising The Staff of
Speaking high above my head !
And to make this post more constructive, i offer this. Since RASCAR is part
of a larger whole, how about the powers that be, ask or poll the rest of the
crowd pressed up against the glass what they think would think about a new
course of action or possible new rule. There are a lot of great minds out
here that race in different countries, leagues, associations and the such
that may have a creative way of handling a particular scenario.
Boy am i thirsty from all that typing. Beer break !
I'm counting the times you refer to someone's ass Mitch.
Just in case :)))
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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "I was a mad idiot with my head fully up my ass" would work very well.
>
>
> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> jerked off in message
> news:MPG.19b2cbbe368b9074989a42@news-
> > I was mad. What can I say?
>
Another internet classic :)
FWIW Im quite secure in my sexuality.
Lips locked onto someones ass doesnt genereally refer to "Gay Sex" as you
insinuate TBase. BTW ur lips are still locked on so I guess that wasnt "The
Sucking" sound I heard in RASCAR lately <G>
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm counting the times you refer to someone's ass Mitch. > Just in case :))) > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ck82b.5072$[email hidden]... > > "I was a mad idiot with my head fully up my ass" would work very well. > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> jerked off in message > > news:MPG.19b2cbbe368b9074989a42@news- > > > I was mad. What can I say? > > > >Man, have you found the end of the earth or what lol
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"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Another internet classic :)
>
> And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught
> here today.
That you're an egotistical self-centered asshole?
Regular readers of RAS have known that for years. Nothing new here. Move
along.
GJ
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"Mitch_A" wrote...
> You make this out as some sort of political battle. It isnt.
Not it's not... John now officially runs RASCAR (he already was running it
effectively) and two people have gotten into a huff over it. That's what
this is. You're just screaming your head of in public to make it seem like a
big deal.
> JS took a group idea and has stolen that and replaced it
> with HIS politics.
You just don't like it John can now judge you on your performance.
> which are about like Hilary Clintons. Vast right wing conspiracy
> with no personal responsibility LOL...
No comment.
> He instigates then uses that to have his way. Yea great leadership
> quality. As Ive said we dont need a FN leader. I dont need to be
> treated like a child that cannot think for himself under any
> circumstance Jan.
And you're doing what, exactly?
The reason you are being treated like a child is because you're acting like
one. This is the longest tantrum I have seen thrown on RAS.
> If you like to be treated that way fine, GO with YOUR leader
> and form YOUR OWN SERIES.
> Dont come here and take whats not yours.
It's true I share some of John's views on how to run RASCAR, yes. Not all,
but some. Seeing as he's doing all the work I'm willing to compromise my
vision for RASCAR and let him do things more his way. I'm also staying on so
I can try to reason him out of things I might disagree with. He's already
dropped two rules I disagreed with (not really because of my arguments, but
still) and changed the wording of another I had issues with.
He is more abrasive in his management style than I am, but it's easier for
us to deal with that than for him to change, I think.
Jan.
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You can call me a child or anything else but dont FN go their Speedy.
John is a sorry excuse for a human being. Youre nothing more than a sheep
following JS herding.
And I thought you were a smart guy. Boy was I wrong.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in > You just
don't like it John can now judge you on your performance.
>
So far, every single person who strongly supports John is either inhuman, a
sheep, an imbecile, and idiot, or just plain ignorant.
Do you see anything pathological about that?
Now that I think of it how could you :(
fwiw, I'm sure glad SOMEONE thinks Jan is fast. Maybe now he'll stop beating
himself up so much :))
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Tim White
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You can call me a child or anything else but dont FN go their Speedy.
>
> John is a sorry excuse for a human being. Youre nothing more than a sheep
> following JS herding.
>
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:58:56 GMT, "Jan Verschueren"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>You just don't like it John can now judge you on your performance.
Just a message from the peanut gallery since you're posting all this on a
public forum. How come he gets to judge them on their performance but they
don't get to call him on his?
I read somewhere where someone actually took this advice from the net. It
was sad that the poor child did it and sadder still that it was suggested.
Be it as it may, I hope no one subscribes to killing themselves over a game,
or even killing themselves. Life it too precious to just give it up. I just
burried my father-in-law two weeks ago and so death is still kinda fresh on
my mind. I know that Mitch wasnt serious about the killing and all but some
things I think are best not said, or typed, in public. This is one of them.
grub
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If youre so intolerant of absurdity you really need to just KILL YOURSELF > NOW! \ > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > I have never claimed to be PC, tolerant of absurdity, or willing to > > put up with excessive bullshit. People skills be damned, if someone > > presses me, they'll get both barrels, and my fuse is a lot shorter > > than most people's (actually, it's a lot longer than it used to be). > > > >Peter, i had to subscribe to ISDN in order to get my latency in order. It
was a pain in the rear but it was my only option. I was getting pings from
400 to 1200. Jan was even getting better pings! After getting ISDN, my pings
hoover around 85 - 150. The only problem is that lots of mfg are getting out
of the ISDN business and I am on my second TA (modem).
grub
"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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penalties
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> In article <[email hidden]>, McWhom > <[email hidden]> writes > > > >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:i752b.244431$Ho3.31312@sccrnsc03... > >> And now you can see that John has recruited Sean to help with the > >RASCAR > >> promotional campaign. > >> > >No one has recruited me. I have joined, I discussed the rules andQuoted text (15 lines)
> >rationally and we have come to a set of rules and penalties designed to > >make > >our racing better. > > No you didn't. You had no say whatsoever in the set of rules, and > that's the problem. I had been hoping to join RASCAR once I got my > connection properly sorted in the near future. I had even had a go at > creating my own paintscheme - something I'm not very adept at, but > thought I'd give it a try - but now I'll have to save it for somewhere > else. > -- > Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77What a sales pitch Tim. If I wasn't already a 'member in good standing',
then I would join again!!!
How about giving me some pointers for the upcoming race?
Please Tim?
grub
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I don't believe in a voting system, not for sim racing.
>
> What I do believe is the idea that there is a league somewhere out therefor
> virtually every type of personality. As a member of any league, whether Iagree
> on the rules or not, is moot. What is important to me, and what I feeleveryone
> should consider, is do the rules of a given league suit you? If theydon't then
> simply move on.
>
> I also try to accept that, over time, certain admins gain respect over the
> years. Most come and go, wanting to really only race with their friends.It
> being only the second year John is 'running' RASCAR, a verdict on hisskills as
> an admin at this point would be rushed at best.
>
> I have tried to admin a league. You'll find most people who are at leastvery
> good at sim racing avoid being an admin like the plague. There has to bea
> reason for it and, I suspect, being judged so harshly has to be just asmuch an
> influence not to admin as is the workload required.
>
> Cliff, in my opinion John does listen. He has on several occasions.Perhaps if
> you had been involved in RASCAR discussions all along most people herecould
> understand more where you're coming from. Sure, John can drive a hardbargain.
> But I've said it many times; for me personally, I need rules. And I need
> someone who will inforce them on a regular basis and not inflict the groupwith
> more gray areas. For RASCAR, John is that person for me. As for youstating
> many think John is wrong, I beg to differ. Most people who Still raceRASCAR
> have kept silent. If you look closely, the numbers clearly say John hasthe
> support of the majority.
>
> I flamed him and Eldred for my race suspension, quit, and was promptlyignored
> by them, being invited to stick around and given the chance to swallow mypride.
> That didn't happen on OLR, it didn't happen in the league my brother and Iwere
> accused of cheating, and it didn't happen for me in the NROS. The onlyleague I
> ever won dwindled down to nothing to the point where it dimished the
> achievement. Now RASCAR wants me to start in the back if I win... Me, theguy
> who gets pissed when someone cuts under him :)))
>
> If I commit to racing here, and there is a rule I don't agree with, I'llstate
> it, and lobby for a change. If I don't get it and it is important enoughto me,
> I'll leave, plain and simple. But at least I tried to change it fromwithin. I
> haven't even read all the new rules for RASCAR and I'm sure of at leastthat
> much.
>
> I'm really not sure what David or Mitch hoped to accomplish by being so
> antaganitstic to John. Not saying they're wrong on every point. But theyare
> not going to win. As long as John and Eldred work together as well asthey do
> it's their call. Period.
>
> Maybe I am missing something when I see non members choose to decide howand
> what the league should be doing. But I can't see myself investing so muchtime
> in a league I would never race in. To me that's just a waist.
>
>
> To anyone who is considering joining RASCAR, RASCAR IS r.a.s.
>
> I cannot stress how simple that should be for everyone, whether we like itor
> not. It has helped the racing league, and it has hurt it. But it is whatit
> is. It's not changing, so please either deal with it or remind yourselfit does
> say RASCAR on the thread.
>
> If you want to race in RASCAR, and you're concerned the rules are tooheavy
> handed, race here, and find out for yourself if it has something to offeryou.
> Don't listen to anyone else to make your mind up for you; not me, notJohn, not
> Mitch, David, Cliff, Larry, ... decide for yourself.
>
> Since RASCAR still maintains an open invite, I can't think of any reasonyou
> would decide Not to race based on what is said in a forum. For mepersonally,
> anyone who is trying to improve the quality of racing by reducing cautionsin
> Any manner short of turning yellows off, deserves a chance to prove mewrong.
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> I'm certainly all for giving them a chance to fail at it :) > > > - > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > >Its hard to take back words spoken in anger. Once they are uttered out those
lips, they forever pierce the souls of the ones they were directed at and
sadden those of us who witnessed it.
(went to church this morning and quotes taken from sermon.)
grub church-goer bat
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> In article <bib1vs$580$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > > > PART 2 > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Now, here's a goddamn warning for all the pendantic puerile little > > > > fuck-wads that still think I'm in a forgiving mood. > > > > > > I admit, the "fuck-wads" thing may have been taking it a little over > > > the top. > > > > You're sure fucking right on that score, John. I for one found it pretty > > offensive... > > > > I was mad. What can I say?"hocking" wrote...
> > <snip>
>
> Just a message from the peanut gallery since you're posting
> all this on a public forum. How come he gets to judge them
> on their performance but they don't get to call him on his?
Just because they don't like him, doesn't mean he does a bad job of running
RASCAR. Considering the grief he's getting without even having done anything
those two are so worried about, he's done well to lose his temper just once,
IMO.
Jan.
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"Tim" wrote...
> <snip>
> fwiw, I'm sure glad SOMEONE thinks Jan is fast. Maybe now
> he'll stop beating himself up so much :))
Eeek!! -I don't do that, do I?
True, it annoys me when I make mistakes, especially when I can't figure out
what went wrong (like the T3 half spin at Pocono), but I hardly beat myself
up for it.
If you could explain how you got that impression I'd be gratefull, because
it's not an image I like to present.
Jan.
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"Mitch_A" wrote...
> You can call me a child or anything else but dont FN
> go their Speedy.
From your reaction it seems I guessed correctly. You do have a specific
problem with him being in a position of authority.
> John is a sorry excuse for a human being. Youre nothing
> more than a sheep following JS herding.
I prefer pragmatic, but what the heck, I started it.
> And I thought you were a smart guy. Boy was I wrong.
I'm not the one giving John a reason to get rid of me.
Jan.
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"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> PART1
<SNIP>
Here's an idea...change the name! Drop RAS, keep this "stuff" out of RAS
and then you can have your league as you see fit.
geo
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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running
> RASCAR. Considering the grief he's getting without even having doneanything
> those two are so worried about, he's done well to lose his temper justonce,
> IMO.
>
> Jan.
He threatened to kick me out of the race yesterday due to his mistakes in
practice? He insulted me with his comments. You think that's ok?
David G Fisher
> =---
>
>
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> "hocking" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > > Just a message from the peanut gallery since you're posting > > all this on a public forum. How come he gets to judge them > > on their performance but they don't get to call him on his? > > Just because they don't like him, doesn't mean he does a bad job ofDid I say anything before he went insane with the rules? He could bitch all
he wanted about car painting and numbers and nearly anything else and I
could really care less. When he begins a campaign of threats against RASCAR
drivers then Im not going to sit back and take it, obviously. Maybe you can
but I cant. That doesnt make me the bad guy as you say.
Knock knock knock, who the hell is John to get rid of me beyond
intentionally wrecking someone? You agree with his rules, thats fine just
go with the few that agreed on those rules and start your own series.
RASCAR wasnt formed for those reasons but you refuse to admit it. This isnt
a league! It could have ended so many times but JS refused until RASCAR was
pulled apart.
Im done now.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" wrote... > > You can call me a child or anything else but dont FN > > go their Speedy. > > From your reaction it seems I guessed correctly. You do have a specific > problem with him being in a position of authority. > > > John is a sorry excuse for a human being. Youre nothing > > more than a sheep following JS herding. > > I prefer pragmatic, but what the heck, I started it. > > > And I thought you were a smart guy. Boy was I wrong. > > I'm not the one giving John a reason to get rid of me. > > Jan. > =--- > >So you have such an innate knowledge of me personally that you can presume
anything? Now I know you aren't very smart. John and I had problems in the
past but we were well beyond them. He went insane after Pocoho. Lose his
temper just once? If thats not the understatement of the year then I dont
know what could be.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Just because they don't like him, doesn't mean he does a bad job ofrunning
> RASCAR. Considering the grief he's getting without even having doneanything
> those two are so worried about, he's done well to lose his temper justonce,
> IMO.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
"Mitch_A" wrote...
> So you have such an innate knowledge of me personally that
> you can presume anything?
I can presume anything, even without intimate knowledge.
I am proud of what was acchieved with RASCAR and I want running in it to be
an option for everyone on RAS who's willing to adjust to it's requirements.
It is my opinion you are trying to prevent that for personal reasons, hence
I'm trying to make it absolutely clear you won't succeed in doing so. If
Eldred is adament he wants no futher part in this I'm more than happy to pay
a server rental company the required amount to ensure that those who want to
race, can do so in the framework provided. I am not going to let you
determine I have to bore myself to tears with Saturday night TV instead of
racing in the series I helped create. IS THAT CLEAR??
> Now I know you aren't very smart. <snip>
Yeah, I'm dumb for not letting you decide how I spend my time.
Jan.
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Now youre just ranting like a lunatic.
Plonk!
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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be
> an option for everyone on RAS who's willing to adjust to it'srequirements.
>
> It is my opinion you are trying to prevent that for personal reasons,hence
> I'm trying to make it absolutely clear you won't succeed in doing so. If
> Eldred is adament he wants no futher part in this I'm more than happy topay
> a server rental company the required amount to ensure that those who wantto
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> race, can do so in the framework provided. I am not going to let you > determine I have to bore myself to tears with Saturday night TV instead of > racing in the series I helped create. IS THAT CLEAR?? > > > Now I know you aren't very smart. <snip> > > Yeah, I'm dumb for not letting you decide how I spend my time. > > Jan. > =--- > >"Mitch_A" wrote...
> Now youre just ranting like a lunatic.
>
> Plonk!
Like I said, my allegiance lies with RASCAR, no what you think it should be.
Jan.
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Maybe it was just your humility that I would sense. :)
To be truthful, you don't go that far. I was just exaggerating. But you do
always seem to remind everyone your not very fast. Maybe, maybe not, but I've
never raced you in GPL either.
I just sometimes get the impression that you often thought you weren't that
good, which I didn't really agree with.
Kind of a backass way of making a compliment, my bad :)
--
Tim White
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Tim" wrote...
> > <snip>
> > fwiw, I'm sure glad SOMEONE thinks Jan is fast. Maybe now
> > he'll stop beating himself up so much :))
>
> If you could explain how you got that impression I'd be gratefull, because
> it's not an image I like to present.
>
> Jan.
> =---
>
>
"Heels"
"Heals" has to do with the mending of wounds and injuries.
How ironic! :)
Bruce.
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> .....and you'll be hot on Dave's heals.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:52:18 -0600, "G_Money"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Here's an idea...change the name! Drop RAS, keep this "stuff" out of RAS
>and then you can have your league as you see fit.
>Why don't you just ignore the thread?
Andrew.
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Only if you ask nice...
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:52:18 -0600, "G_Money" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Here's an idea...change the name! Drop RAS, keep this "stuff" out of RAS > >and then you can have your league as you see fit. > > > Why don't you just ignore the thread? > > Andrew.Bruce Kennewell wrote:
> "Heels"
> "Heals" has to do with the mending of wounds and injuries.
It's also the name of a soft furnishing store in Guildford...or did i
dream it?
As I don't live in Guildford, I can't give that post the appreciation it no
doubt deserves, Gerry. :)
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> It's also the name of a soft furnishing store in Guildford...or did i
> dream it?
>
"Tim" wrote...
> Maybe it was just your humility that I would
> sense. :)
"Complacency is the racer's worst enemy." -Mark Donohue
> To be truthful, you don't go that far. I was just
> exaggerating. But you do always seem to remind
> everyone your not very fast. Maybe, maybe not, but
> I've never raced you in GPL either.
That's because I'm not. If you look at the practise times, I'm almost
invariably at the back. For some reason I qualify better than some of the
guys, but that's about it.
GPL? -don't get me started. Due to the fact of having done a it a lot I have
a solid GPLRank and MonsterRank, but I don't consider myself fast. It gets
ridiculous at times: a guy interested in the local GPL competition (Vlaamse
Racing League - VRL) buys a PC, a wheel and GPL in oct '02, come feb '03 I
can't beat this guy anymore, despite 4 years more online experience. In the
GPVL FV league we ran LRP for the first time last year. I started last but
one. This year I have made setup advances and gotten to grips with the track
better. I practise and knock 2 seconds off my best lap. I started last but
one.
I don't let that get to me or anything and I do win races from time to time
(and have won three Championships), it's just you also get to race in places
(like the GPVL and VRL) where the competition is just that little bit more
intense and that helps to keep things in perspective.
> I just sometimes get the impression that you often
> thought you weren't that good, which I didn't really
> agree with.
I am confident in my ability and I know how to get maximum benifit out of
it, but I do feel I'm not "naturally" fast and I try not to act as if I'm
better than anybody else (unless jokingly).
> Kind of a backass way of making a compliment, my bad :)
No problem, thanks!
Jan.
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"McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Right, right. This is the only place discussions have ever gotten out of
>control. No one ever disagrees or fights anywhere but here on RAS when
>discussing RASCAR. How about all you bandwagon jumpers just shut the hell
>up ...
Do you realize how silly it us to post inflamatory messages on Usenet,
and expect people to "just shut the hell up"? It's like my 12-yer-old
when he's having a temper tantrum, slamming his door and screaming at
the top of his lungs "LEAVE ME ALONE!". Well if that was really what
he wanted he'd be quiet wouldn't he?
Joe62
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> "McWhom" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >Right, right. This is the only place discussions have ever gotten out of
> >control. No one ever disagrees or fights anywhere but here on RAS when
> >discussing RASCAR. How about all you bandwagon jumpers just shut thehell
Context is very important. It was a long discussion and to take one
paragraph and make a point with it is easy enough, but it really destroys
the context of the conversation.
Sean
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> >up ... > > Do you realize how silly it us to post inflamatory messages on Usenet, > and expect people to "just shut the hell up"? It's like my 12-yer-old > when he's having a temper tantrum, slamming his door and screaming at > the top of his lungs "LEAVE ME ALONE!". Well if that was really what > he wanted he'd be quiet wouldn't he? > > Joe62>"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Do you realize how silly it us to post inflamatory messages on Usenet,
> and expect people to "just shut the hell up"?
This whole RASCAR thing reminds me of the good'old fashioned flame threads
we've had here. Ahhhhhhh <memories>
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Me too.
Marc
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> > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > >here today. > > > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > > > Andrew. > > From reading this, I can see why. > > J.R. > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>This whole RASCAR thing reminds me of the good'old fashioned flame threads
>we've had here. Ahhhhhhh <memories>
It is quite funny, if only because most participants aren't 12
year-olds (I'm assuming) yet their behaviour is so much like one on a
bad day.
Real 12-year-olds are a pain. Adults acting like them? That's
entertainment!
Joe62
Nah, the national DNS servers just got screwed up and accidently pointed us
all to MHOGaming.
Larry
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> >"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Do you realize how silly it us to post inflamatory messages on Usenet, > > and expect people to "just shut the hell up"? > > > > This whole RASCAR thing reminds me of the good'old fashioned flame threads > we've had here. Ahhhhhhh <memories> > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >Man, I'm with you! I admittedly know nothing about either of these
gents or their cute little league, but it's pretty damn obvious I
ain't missing much.
What a grade A asshole!
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> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > >here today. > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > Andrew.Hold on a second, I gotta find just the right response to this
post...
...(digging around in response rucksack)...
Ahhh, here it is, no wait, that one is too wishy-washy ()bsides,
there's too many big words for you).
...(more digging around in response rucksack)...
Yep, I think this will do just fine...
http://www.paddedwall.org/help
Since you're obviously a little slow, I'll give you a hint - it's a
web site address...
In article <[email hidden]>,
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> Man, I'm with you! I admittedly know nothing about either of these > gents or their cute little league, but it's pretty damn obvious I > ain't missing much. > > What a grade A asshole! > > aep@nospam writeme.com wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:29:50 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> ranted: > > > > >And I suggest that EVERYBODY learn the lesson that is being taught > > >here today. > > > > The only lesson I have learned is not to join RASCAR. > > > > Andrew. >Okey - I admit it... I had to look!
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(where are your manner's John? :-)))
"John Simmons" said:
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> http://www.paddedwall.org/help
>
> Since you're obviously a little slow, I'll give you a hint - it's a
> web site address...
