West Racing Updated!

Made you look! Oh wait, it actually was... Jason

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Made you look! > > Oh wait, it actually was... >Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have touched a raw nerve.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:39:23 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have touched a >raw nerve. I had to get rid of mine when in an emergency move a few months ago, still really sad about it. =/ Jason

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:39:23 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have toucheda > >raw nerve. > > I had to get rid of mine when in an emergency move a few months ago, > still really sad about it. =/ Yes, I am also quite sad about that (the West's cat, not Jason's <g>). Isn't it ironic that we hear the first about RL in 6 months, and the most talked about part of the update is the fate of the cat? Oh, and either (A) they've developed a new technique of doing real time area-sourced lighting, (B) that in-game shot is running at 0.2FPS, or (C) that 'in-game' shot is a bit 3DSMAX.

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Made you look! > > Oh wait, it actually was... > "...The break has seen considerable changes in our personal and business lives and has resulted in a lot more security for both us and Racing Legends." ? The cat was killed and we sold a few bears? ++ Si.

Is there an actual update?? The last update I can see at west-racing.net is from July 16th 2002. Am I missing something? Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Fillyourboots" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bguefk$clj$[email hidden]...

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> > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Made you look! > > > > Oh wait, it actually was... > > > > "...The break has seen considerable changes in our personal and business > lives and has resulted in a lot more security for both us and Racing > Legends." > > ? > > The cat was killed and we sold a few bears? > > ++ > Si. > >

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:21:19 -0700, "cronik" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Jason every aspect of the way you live your life is disgusting to me, and >whats worse? you have no shame in it. <skid> If Melbourne were modelled more accurately, I wouldn't have spun on the first lap both times we had our 1 on 1 duel there. Jason

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Is there an actual update?? The last update I can see at west-racing.netis > from July 16th 2002. Am I missing something? west-racing.com Doug

In article <bguefk$clj$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Fillyourboots) wrote: > The cat was killed and we sold a few bears? I think it refers to selling their house. That's a very brave move, because they have yet to prove they have a big enough market for their product even if it *is* the Holy Grail of racing sims. Despite my hard, practical, cynical heart I still have my fingers & toes crossed for Racing Legends. I never was a fan of the cat though... nor any other cat for that matter. Dogs are a hardcore, GPL pet, cats are more Need For Speed for people who are too lazy to have a *proper* pet. Andrew McP... allowing himself to briefly imagine what optimism might be like :-)

> are more Need For Speed for people who are too lazy to have a *proper* > pet. Nah, cats are a lot smarter than dogs and in my experience, GPL drivers are a lot smarter than NFS drivers <g>

Thanks doug.. makes me wonder what the .net was for, and how many people had that one book marked instead of the .com and came to the assumption that West bros' COMPLETELY abandoned the project.. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f6BYa.53354$[email hidden]...

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> > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Is there an actual update?? The last update I can see at west-racing.net > is > > from July 16th 2002. Am I missing something? > > west-racing.com > > > Doug > >

On this day of our lord, Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:34 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) quilled:

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>I think it refers to selling their house. That's a very brave move, >because they have yet to prove they have a big enough market for their >product even if it *is* the Holy Grail of racing sims. > >Despite my hard, practical, cynical heart I still have my fingers & >toes crossed for Racing Legends. I never was a fan of the cat though... >nor any other cat for that matter. Dogs are a hardcore, GPL pet, cats >are more Need For Speed for people who are too lazy to have a *proper* >pet. > >Andrew McP... allowing himself to briefly imagine what optimism might >be like :-)

Hmm, definately not an animal lover.

To be blunt, I'll be quite happy just to have the simulation at a stage where I can sit in that 49 cockpit and go "Vroooom-vrooom". I don't care if it doesn't move an inch; that model is just too gorgeous for words! Bruce. "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Made you look! > > Oh wait, it actually was... > > Jason

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks doug.. makes me wonder what the .net was for, and how many peoplehad > that one book marked instead of the .com and came to the assumption that > West bros' COMPLETELY abandoned the project.. > > Mike > http://mikebeauchamp.com > I'll give them a heads up and suggest an auto-forwarding front page at .net Doug

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have toucheda > raw nerve. I wonder if it was curiosity that killed it. Ice D

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:39:23 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have toucheda > >raw nerve. > > I had to get rid of mine when in an emergency move a few months ago, > still really sad about it. =/ > > Jason Jason every aspect of the way you live your life is disgusting to me, and whats worse? you have no shame in it.

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> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>Made you look! >> >>Oh wait, it actually was... >> > > Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have touched a > raw nerve. > >

Well, very stupid off them to let it out! Cats should be kept in all the time. Still, while we have magpies (native species BTW) to blame for the decline in bird numbers, we can just ignore the affect cats have on the small mammal population! People are just fucking stupid when it comes to conservation, and don't they just love it when their little kitty brings them home a half dead vole!

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:54:16 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well, very stupid off them to let it out! Cats should be kept in all the >time. Still, while we have magpies (native species BTW) to blame for the > decline in bird numbers, we can just ignore the affect cats have on >the small mammal population! > >People are just fucking stupid when it comes to conservation, and don't >they just love it when their little kitty brings them home a half dead vole!

Well, they said Spooky was "run done and killed". I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty suspicious to me. I'm thinking maybe the voles were in on it.

"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:21:19 -0700, "cronik" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Jason every aspect of the way you live your life is disgusting to me, and > >whats worse? you have no shame in it. > > <skid> If Melbourne were modelled more accurately, I wouldn't have > spun on the first lap both times we had our 1 on 1 duel there. > > Jason

uh.

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> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:54:16 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>Well, very stupid off them to let it out! Cats should be kept in all the >>time. Still, while we have magpies (native species BTW) to blame for the >> decline in bird numbers, we can just ignore the affect cats have on >>the small mammal population! >> >>People are just fucking stupid when it comes to conservation, and don't >>they just love it when their little kitty brings them home a half dead vole! > > > Well, they said Spooky was "run done and killed". I don't know about > you, but that sounds pretty suspicious to me. I'm thinking maybe the > voles were in on it. > >

May be they were driving a Volvo? :)

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:28:19 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Tim O wrote: >> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:54:16 +0100, Gerry Aitken >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>>Well, very stupid off them to let it out! Cats should be kept in all the >>>time. Still, while we have magpies (native species BTW) to blame for the >>> decline in bird numbers, we can just ignore the affect cats have on >>>the small mammal population! >>> >>>People are just fucking stupid when it comes to conservation, and don't >>>they just love it when their little kitty brings them home a half dead vole! >> >> >> Well, they said Spooky was "run done and killed". I don't know about >> you, but that sounds pretty suspicious to me. I'm thinking maybe the >> voles were in on it. >> >> > >May be they were driving a Volvo? :)

Sounds like you're getting to the bottom of this CATastrophe!

really off-topic, but i live in the town, and i hate cat-owners around here. They let their cats run around without any security.. when you drive to work, you have to step on your brakes, cause a cat is running out on the road. Even if Cats are considered as a "smart" animal (dont know why), they look at your car, and still run out on the road.. stupid cat-owners.. pretending to care about animals, and then let them out on the streets so they can both get killed, and create a big accident with ppl involved.. "redTed" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:bgudcn$sfj3j$[email hidden]...

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> > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Made you look! > > > > Oh wait, it actually was... > > > Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have touched

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"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:X0VYa.23397$[email hidden]: > really off-topic, > Even if Cats are considered as a "smart" animal (dont know why), they > look at your car, and still run out on the road.. Being a Letter Carrier for the US Postal Service we have to see all these training films about safety every year and one of them is about kids and cars. I suspect the part about kid awareness will transfer to cats or other animals. When a child(or a cat) see's a dog running directly at them, there are many many VISUAL clues that the dog is moving towards them. I guess pets, like young children, don't have very good depth perception. But when a dog runs, his ears flop, his coat wiggles his tail bounces and his feet get picked up in a non-rythmic fashion. So it is relatively easy to see a running animal and pick up that it is moving at you. But a car at city speeds doesn't bounce, it doesn't have a wiggly coat or a waggly tail. The pretty much looks like it is standing still, especially when viewed from directly ahead. No tongue hanging out, and no dog dribble dribbling out the car's mouth. So kids, and supposedly smart animals may have a more difficult time discerning that a car is heading directly at them. Either that or they are just too busy using their cell phones... dave henrie

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>"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in >news:X0VYa.23397$[email hidden]: > >> really off-topic, > >> Even if Cats are considered as a "smart" animal (dont know why), they >> look at your car, and still run out on the road.. > > Being a Letter Carrier for the US Postal Service we have to see all >these training films about safety every year and one of them is about kids >and cars. I suspect the part about kid awareness will transfer to cats or >other animals. > When a child(or a cat) see's a dog running directly at them, there are >many many VISUAL clues that the dog is moving towards them. I guess pets, >like young children, don't have very good depth perception. But when a dog >runs, his ears flop, his coat wiggles his tail bounces and his feet get >picked up in a non-rythmic fashion. So it is relatively easy to see a >running animal and pick up that it is moving at you. > But a car at city speeds doesn't bounce, it doesn't have a wiggly coat >or a waggly tail. The pretty much looks like it is standing still, >especially when viewed from directly ahead. No tongue hanging out, and no >dog dribble dribbling out the car's mouth. > So kids, and supposedly smart animals may have a more difficult time >discerning that a car is heading directly at them. > Either that or they are just too busy using their cell phones... >

Maybe it's time for a law to have cars equipped with dog-like ears, tongues and tails? ;-) -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:26:11 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>But when a dog >runs, his ears flop, his coat wiggles his tail bounces and his feet get >picked up in a non-rythmic fashion. So it is relatively easy to see a >running animal and pick up that it is moving at you. > But a car at city speeds doesn't bounce, it doesn't have a wiggly coat >or a waggly tail. The pretty much looks like it is standing still, >especially when viewed from directly ahead. No tongue hanging out, and no >dog dribble dribbling out the car's mouth.

See http://www.aircamhelicopters.com/Photo_Gallery/Photo_15/photo_15.htm -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

I'd have to say there is no way those are ingame shots but merely 3DS renders. Name one game that has even half that detail in game. There is no way they managed to create a sim engine that is leaps and bound ahead of every other game on earth. 6 months and nothing to show really but renders. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bh2iod$u3fbh$[email hidden]...

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> > "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:39:23 +0100, "redTed" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Well. I am truly sad about the cat. As an animal lover, they have

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> a > > >raw nerve. > > > > I had to get rid of mine when in an emergency move a few months ago, > > still really sad about it. =/ > > Yes, I am also quite sad about that (the West's cat, not Jason's <g>). > > Isn't it ironic that we hear the first about RL in 6 months, and the most > talked about part of the update is the fate of the cat? > > Oh, and either (A) they've developed a new technique of doing real time > area-sourced lighting, (B) that in-game shot is running at 0.2FPS, or (C) > that 'in-game' shot is a bit 3DSMAX. > > > >

In article <8d4Za.54568$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Schooner) wrote: > I'd have to say there is no way those are ingame shots I *want* them to be real... but they do seem far, *far* too good to be true, I agree. I am quite happy to be proved wrong :-) Andrew McP

Well just try running some of the high end demos that the video card makers put out or some of the 3DMark tests. Notice how when they hit high detail action scenes that they drop to a crawl and these are no where near as complex as the West models. Through in the fact you then need to do real time AI, scene rendering, chassis modelling, etc and I think the answer is obvious. Heck try running NR2003 with maxed out settings and you will see how far off the West's dream is. Maybe 5 years from now this will be possible but not for a while. "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8d4Za.54568$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Schooner) wrote: > > > I'd have to say there is no way those are ingame shots > > I *want* them to be real... but they do seem far, *far* too good to be > true, I agree. > > I am quite happy to be proved wrong :-) > > Andrew McP

In article <r15Za.54575$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Schooner) wrote: > Well just try running some of the high end demos that the video card > makers put out or some of the 3DMark tests You're right. If they could squeeze moving images that impressive out of modern hardware, they'd be doing it to show off. I guess stuff like the Dawn demo is as good as it gets.... which is pretty good, but nowhere near the images on west-racing.com 'Scuse me, I just have to go beat my optimistic streak back into its box using the heaviest reality stick I can lay my hands on ;-) Andrew McP

In article <X0VYa.23397$[email hidden]>, Andreas Nystr�m <[email hidden]> writes

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>really off-topic, but i live in the town, and i hate cat-owners around here. >They let their cats run around without any security.. when you drive to >work, you have to step on your brakes, cause a cat is running out on the >road. >Even if Cats are considered as a "smart" animal (dont know why), they look >at your car, and still run out on the road.. > >stupid cat-owners.. pretending to care about animals, and then let them out >on the streets so they can both get killed, and create a big accident with >ppl involved.. >

Sounds like you've got some really weird cats there. In the UK cats are very popular, and nearly every street where I live probably has a half dozen or so free roaming cats in it, and yet I've never had a problem with cats in the road playing chicken with my car. Now pigeons!!! That's a different story. :) -- Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

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> > In article <r15Za.54575$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Schooner) wrote: > > > Well just try running some of the high end demos that the video card > > makers put out or some of the 3DMark tests > > You're right. If they could squeeze moving images that impressive out > of modern hardware, they'd be doing it to show off. I guess stuff like > the Dawn demo is as good as it gets.... which is pretty good, but > nowhere near the images on west-racing.com > > 'Scuse me, I just have to go beat my optimistic streak back into its > box using the heaviest reality stick I can lay my hands on ;-) > > Andrew McP

<hands Andrew the sacred Monty Python trout> Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <bh2iod$u3fbh$[email hidden]>, "Nick" <[email hidden]> writes: >Isn't it ironic that we hear the first about RL in 6 months, and the most >talked about part of the update is the fate of the cat? A lot of people have given up on RL, so the cat was the most interesting subject...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <bh2iod$u3fbh$[email hidden]>, "Nick" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Isn't it ironic that we hear the first about RL in 6 months, and the most > >talked about part of the update is the fate of the cat? > > A lot of people have given up on RL, so the cat was the most interesting > subject...<g> > > Eldred

And some of us don't care about the cat.

"Bruce Kennewell" wrote... > To be blunt, I'll be quite happy just to have the simulation > at a stage where I can sit in that 49 cockpit and go "Vroooom- > vrooom". > I don't care if it doesn't move an inch; that model is just > too gorgeous for words! It looks really nice, but to have a racing sim you need to have about 5 other, equally detailed models. Ok, so whatever learning curve/tool making went into this model can be used for the next one, but development is not exactly bobbing along at a reassuring pace. Jan. =---

It's been done. Have you seen the new BMW's ? -Larry "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Maybe it's time for a law to have cars equipped with dog-like ears,tongues and

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> tails? ;-) > > -- > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > '-_____|( > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

My Siamese is an indoor/outdoor cat. I don't really have a choice. He knows how to use the dog door just as well as the Goldens do... -Larry "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4baVuCAL9ON$[email hidden]... > In article <X0VYa.23397$[email hidden]>, Andreas Nystr�m > <[email hidden]> writes > >really off-topic, but i live in the town, and i hate cat-owners aroundhere. > >They let their cats run around without any security.. when you drive to > >work, you have to step on your brakes, cause a cat is running out on the > >road. > >Even if Cats are considered as a "smart" animal (dont know why), theylook > >at your car, and still run out on the road.. > > > >stupid cat-owners.. pretending to care about animals, and then let themout > >on the streets so they can both get killed, and create a big accidentwith

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> >ppl involved.. > > > > Sounds like you've got some really weird cats there. In the UK cats are > very popular, and nearly every street where I live probably has a half > dozen or so free roaming cats in it, and yet I've never had a problem > with cats in the road playing chicken with my car. Now pigeons!!! > That's a different story. :) > -- > Peter Ives (AKA Pete Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email > If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me :) > GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:z_9Za.11554$ug.8049@lakeread01... > My Siamese is an indoor/outdoor cat. I don't really have a choice. He > knows how to use the dog door just as well as the Goldens do... > > -Larry Retrievers ? I'm just about to get my second one . It's been a long 3 years since our first one died ....14 years old. Can't wait.

> > And some of us don't care about the cat. Who would have guessed that John"Hard Man" Simmons couldn't care less about something as menial as a cat ?

I can see the pre-release blurb now..... "'Racing Legends'; the story of a dead cat, a triple mortgage and a dream turned nightmare!" Bruce. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <bh2iod$u3fbh$[email hidden]>, "Nick" > A lot of people have given up on RL, so the cat was the most interesting > subject...<g>

In article <3f3588ec$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Bruce Kennewell) wrote: > I can see the pre-release blurb now..... "'Racing Legends'; the > story of a dead cat, a triple mortgage and a dream turned > nightmare!" Mmm... you know, after all their problems the Wests are probably in the right mood now to make the Mother of All FPS games! It'd make Doom3 look tame, I'm sure. Andrew McP

You all have a better chance of "Hunting for Bambi" , than ever seeing the Racing Legends fantasy. Hey lets send the West's some more money? Maybe that would help? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > > > In article <r15Za.54575$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (Schooner) wrote: > > > > > Well just try running some of the high end demos that the video card > > > makers put out or some of the 3DMark tests > > > > You're right. If they could squeeze moving images that impressive out > > of modern hardware, they'd be doing it to show off. I guess stuff like > > the Dawn demo is as good as it gets.... which is pretty good, but > > nowhere near the images on west-racing.com > > > > 'Scuse me, I just have to go beat my optimistic streak back into its > > box using the heaviest reality stick I can lay my hands on ;-) > > > > Andrew McP > > <hands Andrew the sacred Monty Python trout> > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

In article <jdZZa.2840$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (whatup) wrote: > Hey lets send the West's some more money? More money? All they've cost me so far is a little disappointment. I'll probably live ;-) Andrew McP

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> In article <3f3588ec$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Bruce Kennewell) wrote: > > > I can see the pre-release blurb now..... "'Racing Legends'; the > > story of a dead cat, a triple mortgage and a dream turned > > nightmare!" > > Mmm... you know, after all their problems the Wests are probably in the > right mood now to make the Mother of All FPS games! It'd make Doom3 > look tame, I'm sure. > > Andrew McP >

Enough people have said they want driver injuries included to make it a possibility. Chris sent me a link to the new version of 'Stair Dissmount' called 'Truck Dissmount' Perhaps he was trying to tell me something :D Doug

> Enough people have said they want driver injuries included to make it a > possibility. Chris sent me a link to the new version of 'StairDissmount' > called 'Truck Dissmount' > > Perhaps he was trying to tell me something > > :D That's not funny. I fell out of a truck one time while I was in the Army. It was an old Leyland recovery vehicle, about a 6' climb up to the cab. I missed the grab rail at the top and plummeted back down to the asphalt below. Luckily I was still pissed from the night before, so the pain wasn't felt straight away. Those "Dismount" demos/games are pretty damn accurate !