Re: NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

I'm not able to get any of the addon tracks to work with the latest version of NetKar. Any tips? -- don ------------------------------------- BAPOM Alternative Program Covers for GPL http://www.trilon.com/bapom/ "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > http://www.nkzone.com/ > > here is a review... > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml > > > extra tracks... > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > >

http://www.nkzone.com/ here is a review... http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml extra tracks... http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5

http://www.nkzone.com/ here is a review... [link lost in import] extra tracks... http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5

> I'm not able to get any of the addon tracks to work with the latestversion > of NetKar. Any tips? I haven't tried them, but I was told that they need to have a few small additions to work in multiplayer.

> here is a review... > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml That review is only for 0.9.6 . I think 0.9.9 is a considerable improvement over it.....

You must be joking, right? Fun; yes. GPL; most certainly not! Bruce. "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > http://www.nkzone.com/ >

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You must be joking, right? > > Fun; yes. > GPL; most certainly not! Have you tried the latest release? I dont think anyone could reasonably suggest that it's inferior to GPL anymore. Doug

In article <bfj9qi$fk529$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Doug Ellison) wrote: > I dont think anyone could reasonably > suggest that it's inferior to GPL anymore. For me there is something unpleasant about the way NetKar's cars lose grip, even after a few laps. In GPL I can understand what's happening even if I don't like it :-) In NetKar I keep getting those "WTF was that?" moments, the kind of thing that put me off games like f12000... or was it 2001? All the versions before 2002 anyway, and I'm still not so sure about 2002. Subjective opinion, obviously, and I really *want* to enjoy NetKar. But if I switch from NetKar to LFS (a fairer comparison than GPL perhaps) then the cars immediately feel more... er, in touch with real tarmac. Whatever that means. After posting my initial reactions to this latest release I am trying to give it a fair crack of the whip. But at the moment we're talking wet tea-towel rather than cat o' nine tails. If a paypal button were to appear on Stefano's site I would contribute something though. It deserves encouragement. Andrew McP

> Subjective opinion, obviously, and I really *want* to enjoy NetKar. But > if I switch from NetKar to LFS (a fairer comparison than GPL perhaps) > then the cars immediately feel more... er, in touch with real tarmac. > Whatever that means. <Shrug> I really don't understand it when people say things like this. In the grand scheme of sims, Netkar probably feels more similar to LFS than any other sim out there from where I sit.... In terms of being 'in touch with the tarmac' that has been my only criticism of Papy games over the years. F1C was a considerable step forward in that department and Netkar and LFS excel there too IMO.

Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediately puts me off. I gave the Modena 27 laps at Falkenberg last night to try and force myself to like it,but still not convinced AD

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> http://www.nkzone.com/ > > here is a review... > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml > > > extra tracks... > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > >

Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much better racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking for the new GPL, then LFS is it. Alanb

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> Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediately puts > me off. > > I gave the Modena 27 laps at Falkenberg last night to try and force myself > to like it,but still not convinced > > AD > >

Well I like it! The physics model get the thumb up from me. I like the fact you can change the screen resolution without having to run some daft 3d config thing like you have to in N2k3 and F12k2! The controller config is good too, and puts the GP3/4 crammond shite to shame. The GUI is hassle free, unlike F12001/2. I'd like to see support added for actlabs shifter and an analog clutch, though. IMO this sim looks very promising indeed! Gerry

"Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfjkcc$b4v$[email hidden]... > Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediatelyputs > me off. Strange. I get the opposite impression. Sliding is not as catchable as in GPL, depending on which car you're driving (especially once you go past a certain slip angle). Are you sure this isn't what you're referring to? Ryan

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> > "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > > http://www.nkzone.com/ > > > > here is a review... > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml > > > > > > extra tracks... > > > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > > > > > > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much better > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking for the > new GPL, then LFS is it.

LFS gets a game rating higher than netkar - but sim wise Netkar wins SURELY!!! I love both - but I just can NOT see where you might imagine that LFS is the 'new gpl' - Doug

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hcdTa.118649$Ph3.15285@sccrnsc04... > > > > "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > > > http://www.nkzone.com/ > > > > > > here is a review... > > > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml > > > > > > > > > extra tracks... > > > > > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > > > > > > > > > > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much

better > > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking forthe > > new GPL, then LFS is it. > > LFS gets a game rating higher than netkar - but sim wise Netkar wins > SURELY!!! > > I love both - but I just can NOT see where you might imagine that LFS isthe > 'new gpl' - > > Doug > Oh God No. I was only kidding about LFS being the next GPL. The next GPL is in the next life, where I'll be surrounded by the twelve apostles, pedaling around Heaven's Gate. :) Alanb

"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5nfTa.118323$N7.16373@sccrnsc03...

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> > "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:d0fTa.49377$[email hidden]... > > > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hcdTa.118649$Ph3.15285@sccrnsc04... > > > > > > "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > > > > http://www.nkzone.com/ > > > > > > > > here is a review... > > > > > > > >

http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml

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> > > > > > > > > > > > extra tracks... > > > > > > > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much > better > > > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking for > the > > > new GPL, then LFS is it. > > > > LFS gets a game rating higher than netkar - but sim wise Netkar wins > > SURELY!!! > > > > I love both - but I just can NOT see where you might imagine that LFS is > the > > 'new gpl' - > > > > Doug > > > > Oh God No. I was only kidding about LFS being the next GPL. The next GPL > is in the next life, where I'll be surrounded by the twelve apostles, > pedaling around Heaven's Gate. :)

lol - thats fair enough then Doug

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:28:17 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh God No. I was only kidding about LFS being the next GPL. The next GPL >is in the next life, where I'll be surrounded by the twelve apostles, >pedaling around Heaven's Gate. :) > >Alanb This 'next GPL' comparison is kind of silly anyway, what makes GPL special is that it simulates one of the most interesting years in F1 history. And allthough N2003 for example is technically 10x better than GPL, it can't keep me interested in the way GPL does. But anyway, this evening I downloaded and tested both LFS and Netkar. LFS: Personally I find LFS quite boring. I don't get a sensation of speed at all and controlling the car is very easy. The graphics look great, but with 5 other AI cars in front of me the AI drops with about 40% :-/ Maybe LFS is more fun when you unlock the faster cars, I did so with the first release of LFS, but the only thing I can remember about that is that I quickly grew tired of LFS so I can't really bothered to go through the unlocking fase now. Unless someone can convince me that LFS really gets a lot more exciting with the faster cars.. Netkar: Gave it a try a couple of months ago, can't remember which release version it was. I was impressed, but not enough to keep it on my HD. After reading good things about the new version I installed it (most easy installation I ever had in a racing sim btw), selected the F3000 and Falkenberg, and waited a couple of seconds for the whole bunch to load. I gave gas and WHOOOOOAAAAAAA HOLY ****** ! That sound! That sensation of speed!!! Very, very impressed with Netkar. The last time I had such a big grin on my face was the first time I played GPL ;) LFS is in a further stage of development than Netkar, but Netkar shows so much more long-term promise.. I'm sure the West Bro's weren't happy when they saw what one hobbyist programmer delivered here ;) Please guys.. tell me the Ring has allready been converted to Netkar??? Andre

Maybe cause it actually feels like a real roadcar on the limit? (driving the FWD) I think LFS has the best tiremodel too, of any sim right now actually. (except the RWD-cars.. they feel wierd) but the FWD is just a masterpiece!. sure could get better, but its better then the rest right now. and it has actually working tire-pressure in lfs, if you have forcefeedback you will feel what i mean. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:d0fTa.49377$[email hidden]...

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> > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hcdTa.118649$Ph3.15285@sccrnsc04... > > > > "digitop2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3f1d0213$0$16232$[email hidden]... > > > http://www.nkzone.com/ > > > > > > here is a review... > > > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml > > > > > > > > > extra tracks... > > > > > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5 > > > > > > > > > > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much

better > > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking forthe > > new GPL, then LFS is it. > > LFS gets a game rating higher than netkar - but sim wise Netkar wins > SURELY!!! > > I love both - but I just can NOT see where you might imagine that LFS isthe > 'new gpl' - > > Doug > >

so very true!. The grip thing in LFS works so real!. Very talented programmer scawen!. Still it doesnt regain grip really like a real tire (well not like my cars tires), but its so close, that it doesnt bother me :) Netkar is just ice-skating for me, and just feels wierd. :/ but its getting better and better "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <bfj9qi$fk529$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Doug Ellison) wrote: > > > I dont think anyone could reasonably > > suggest that it's inferior to GPL anymore. > > For me there is something unpleasant about the way NetKar's cars lose > grip, even after a few laps. In GPL I can understand what's happening > even if I don't like it :-) In NetKar I keep getting those "WTF was > that?" moments, the kind of thing that put me off games like f12000... > or was it 2001? All the versions before 2002 anyway, and I'm still not > so sure about 2002. > > Subjective opinion, obviously, and I really *want* to enjoy NetKar. But > if I switch from NetKar to LFS (a fairer comparison than GPL perhaps) > then the cars immediately feel more... er, in touch with real tarmac. > Whatever that means. > > After posting my initial reactions to this latest release I am trying to > give it a fair crack of the whip. But at the moment we're talking wet > tea-towel rather than cat o' nine tails. > > If a paypal button were to appear on Stefano's site I would contribute > something though. It deserves encouragement. > > Andrew McP

I feel like the cars dont give any feedback at all in NetKar before something happens, and the tires doesnt seem to want to regain grip. "Ryan Mitchley" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:ewdTa.5089$[email hidden]...

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> > "Aidee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bfjkcc$b4v$[email hidden]... > > Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediately > puts > > me off. > > Strange. I get the opposite impression. > > Sliding is not as catchable as in GPL, depending on which car you're

driving > (especially once you go past a certain slip angle). Are you sure thisisn't > what you're referring to? > > Ryan > > >

Andre wrote: > Please guys.. tell me the Ring has allready been converted to > Netkar??? D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder: http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip :) -- Cheers, Robin now playing: Subsunday - So Good http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:00:36 +0100, "Robin Lord" <[email hidden]> wrote: >D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder: >http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip > >:) Yihaa! Now why am I not surprised that you are the first one to give me the url of the Nordschleife ;) Cheers, Andre

The feeling of speed between LFS and Netkar feels identical to me (when running the same FOV of course) You can't really compare the LFS cars to an F3000 though. The main problem with LFS is that its 3D engine is very sluggish on anything less than a 3GHz PC. (For no apparent reason)

F1C is more GPL like IMO

Yes, yes, yes....I've downloaded (last night) the latest release....and spent an hour with it before my post. How on earth anyone can say that this is the modern GPL beats me. As I said; fun, it is. GPL, it ain't. Bruce. "Doug Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfj9qi$fk529$[email hidden]... > Have you tried the latest release? I dont think anyone could reasonably > suggest that it's inferior to GPL anymore.

> Yes, yes, yes....I've downloaded (last night) the latest release....and > spent an hour with it before my post. > How on earth anyone can say that this is the modern GPL beats me. > > As I said; fun, it is. GPL, it ain't. ok, in what way?

Redmist wrote: > The feeling of speed between LFS and Netkar feels identical to me (when > running the same FOV of course) You can't really compare the LFS cars to an > F3000 though. The main problem with LFS is that its 3D engine is very > sluggish on anything less than a 3GHz PC. (For no apparent reason) > > Not true! LFS is smooth as silk running @ 1200x1600 on my AMD 2700+ system. Gerry

> Not true! LFS is smooth as silk running @ 1200x1600 on my AMD 2700+system. Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative. Bottom line is that LFS runs at nearly half the frame rate of Netkar, F1C or N2003 at a given level of detail.

In article <ribTa.8747$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Damien Smith) wrote: > I really don't understand it when people say things like this. Who knows, maybe it's a conspiracy :-) It might even be down to people's controllers... the default FF may be confusing me and my Logi Momo. Next time I try NK I'll disable FF and see if that helps me feel more at ease. Andrew McP

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>> Not true! LFS is smooth as silk running @ 1200x1600 on my AMD 2700+ >system. > >Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative. Bottom >line is that LFS runs at nearly half the frame rate of Netkar, F1C or N2003 >at a given level of detail. >

In LFS I get 42 FPS at 1280x960 with 4xFSAA, 8xAF on my XP2500+ Barton/9700 Pro. Not too shoddy. Andrew.

Redmist wrote: >>Not true! LFS is smooth as silk running @ 1200x1600 on my AMD 2700+ > > system. > > Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative. It IS fine for gaming. The rest of the guys at the LAN party begrudgingly agreed. > Bottom > line is that LFS runs at nearly half the frame rate of Netkar, F1C or N2003 > at a given level of detail. 1200x1600 60fps on a well tuned AMD 2700+ with Radeon 9700.

> Who knows, maybe it's a conspiracy :-) It might even be down to people's > controllers... the default FF may be confusing me and my Logi Momo. Next > time I try NK I'll disable FF and see if that helps me feel more at > ease. I'm using a MOMO as well. The default FF strength is absolutely ferocious on these things and I strongly recommend to people that they turn it down in the Logi control panel to about 50-60%. As you suggest, it can completely destroy your impression of the way grip is conveyed. I'm reminded of a person who came into RAS ages ago slagging off at F1 2002 for having a ridiculous feeling of cornering grip - turns out he was using a MOMO with positive FF instead of negative FF......lol

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> FWD) > I think LFS has the best tiremodel too, of any sim right now actually. > (except the RWD-cars.. they feel wierd) > but the FWD is just a masterpiece!. > > sure could get better, but its better then the rest right now. > and it has actually working tire-pressure in lfs, if you have

forcefeedback > you will feel what i mean. > I was very impressed when I dropped a few extra passengers in the LFS cars and checked what happened. Drive around the skidpad and watch the tires *deform*. Having autocrossed a lot of fast hatches, the LFS model, whether it's based on a 1000MHz 323 DOF Euler-integrated quantum model (phew... how's that for BS?), lookup tables, or voodoo, is pretty much spot on for the FWD cars, and a lot of fun. Stephen

> In LFS I get 42 FPS at 1280x960 with 4xFSAA, 8xAF on my XP2500+ > Barton/9700 Pro. Not too shoddy. Playable, but you'd triple that in Netkar (at least with the AA and AF crap turned off) : )

Now that there's more than 1 track for LFS, people might start to take it seriously. I'm a fan of racing in online leagues and in a sim with 1 track, that's not really possible.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Gerry Aitken) wrote: > IMO this sim looks very promising indeed! I agree absolutely. Andrew McP

In article <bflbp4$g5860$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Redmist) wrote: > I strongly recommend to people that they turn it down in > the Logi control panel to about 50-60% Being a bit of a limp-wristed tart I already have it down to 50%. I like to communicate with my wheel, not get beaten up by it :-) Andrew McP

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:06 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: >Being a bit of a limp-wristed tart I already have it down to 50%. I like >to communicate with my wheel, not get beaten up by it :-) > >Andrew McP Either I'm very stong or my Momo is weaker than yours.. even at 100% the ff is not too heavy on my system. And I do like my ff on the weak side. The only game on which I really have to turn down the ff is 4x4 Evo II (hey, I got it for free with the Radeon card..) After driving 10 laps in this game with ff on 100% and my arms feel numb :-/ Andre

For me it's apparent in several ways; the graphics, the sound, the "feel" of the cars, the lack of AI. There is also the fact that I approached GPL from the very outset as a "virtual" encapsulation of a segment of motor-racing history and I have maintained that attitude ever since. Apart from other "era" sims such as the NASCAR series (including Legends) and the IndyCar series from Papyrus, I find that most of them have little appeal. I don't want to sample several different types of car around a couple of different styles of circuit. I never was one for the "Need For Speed" genre. I think I like the historical aspects of a well-crafted and presented racing game as much as the driving itself. Probably the reason was so disappointed with, and felt let-down by, "Spirit Of Speed" and why I'm keen to see the additional historic mods for GPL. Bruce. "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfl4b9$fgvf3$[email hidden]... > ok, in what way? > >

For me, Settings/Controller/FFScale within Netkar has the desired effect. Achim "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bflbp4$g5860$[email hidden]... ... > I'm using a MOMO as well. The default FF strength is absolutely ferocious > on these things and I strongly recommend to people that they turn it downin > the Logi control panel to about 50-60%. As you suggest, it can completely > destroy your impression of the way grip is conveyed....

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > even at 100% the ff is not too heavy on my system You sure you have the power lead plugged in? ;-) At 100% my Momo regularly tries to break my wrists. Probably my fault for wandering off the track too often! Andrew McP

"Redmist" wrote... > > <snip> > I'm reminded of a person who came into RAS ages ago slagging > off at F1 2002 for having a ridiculous feeling of cornering > grip - turns out he was using a MOMO with positive FF instead > of negative FF......lol That was me and I didn't exactly slag the game, I indicated I had a problem with the FF pulling into the turn rather than providing centering force. The game defaulted to 100%, so *excuse me* for assuming the slider would scale from 0%-100%, just like any other racing sim. Missing a setting in a game is one thing, having to manually adjust configuration files to get your wheel working properly is another; an aspect which is still present in F1C, BTW. Jan. =---

I agree the FWD drive is a hoot and pretty spot on in LFS...sadly now with S1 most people seem to wanna drive the Lx cars. I bought S1 and i'm totally behind what they're doing, they didn't talk bullshit like some other certain people, but they just delivered and kept on delivering..and the interaction of the deelopers with the users is great...and on top of it all they can take it when someone critiques their product...no deleting posts on forums and such. But the RWD cars are odd, not by far as good as the FWD. And there are more things which are odd but the product keeps on getting better and better so i'm sure that will get sorted out... Anyways...on Netkar...i do think this is the next GPL..as a game it's not very developed yet, but as a sim i find it rather aweseome. In terms of fun factor GPL stil beats them all, but i really think the physics part has long been passed, if not by LFS or Netkar(which i think both of them have) then surely by N2003. So it's rather amazing a lot of people still feel GPL rules in the physics department...which is rather silly if ya ask me...in 20 years time when we have an absolute real time perfect driving sim people will still go 'but GPL has better phisics' Anways, Netkar has a long ways to go aswell, right now what 'annoys' me most is the tracks are so smooth...no bumping(apart from a rare larger bump here and there)...which also takes away from the overall 'driving a car on a road' feeling. Another very good thing about online racing in netkar is that the roadcars are actually roadcars, take the 360...you can't do anything about the setup which means if someone out drives you online he's simply a better sim driver...and not that he uses a way better setup. Oh well...LFS...netkar...i love em both.. Willem On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:55:16 GMT, "Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Maybe cause it actually feels like a real roadcar on the limit? (driving the >FWD) >I think LFS has the best tiremodel too, of any sim right now actually. >(except the RWD-cars.. they feel wierd) >but the FWD is just a masterpiece!. > >sure could get better, but its better then the rest right now. >and it has actually working tire-pressure in lfs, if you have forcefeedback >you will feel what i mean.

Speaking of LFS, I agree, it does seem so similar to GPL, that I purchased the S1 last night to try out the other cars. I didn't realize that you still have to earn Many points to drive them, and I don't have that much time right now. Is there a way around this, so that all the cars can be driven? Bob

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> > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much better > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking for the > new GPL, then LFS is it. > > Alanb > >

> That was me and I didn't exactly slag the game, I indicated I had aproblem > with the FF pulling into the turn rather than providing centering force. > > The game defaulted to 100%, so *excuse me* for assuming the slider would > scale from 0%-100%, just like any other racing sim. Missing a setting in a > game is one thing, having to manually adjust configuration files to getyour > wheel working properly is another; an aspect which is still present inF1C, Whoops....no, it wasn't you, Jan. The guy I remember went into a real rant about what a joke the physics were etc. etc.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:05:55 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote: >So it's rather amazing >a lot of people still feel GPL rules in the physics department...which >is rather silly if ya ask me...in 20 years time when we have an >absolute real time perfect driving sim people will still go 'but GPL >has better phisics' I can't think of anyone who doesn't agree that N2003's physics are way ahead than GPL's physics actually :) >Another very good thing about online racing in netkar is that the >roadcars are actually roadcars, take the 360...you can't do anything >about the setup which means if someone out drives you online he's >simply a better sim driver...and not that he uses a way better setup. I assumed the 360 is still in beta stage and the setup options will become available in a later stage? I sure hope so.. And is it possible to raise the rideheight of the F3000? It's kinda scraping the Nordschleife now, especially on the way to Flugplatz :) Andre

"Damien Smith" wrote... > > <snip> > Whoops....no, it wasn't you, Jan. The guy I remember went > into a real rant about what a joke the physics were etc. etc. Ok, no problem. Jan. =--

"wasson" <wasson[remove]@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:hwtTa.36383$[email hidden]... > Speaking of LFS, I agree, it does seem so similar to GPL, that I purchased > the S1 last night to try out the other cars. I didn't realize that youstill > have > to earn Many points to drive them, and I don't have that much time right > now. Is there a way around this, so that all the cars can be driven? You can make it easier to beat the ai by handicapping them. For maximum points (assuming you win a race) run 3-lap pro races. It took me about 4 hours to get the LX6. Malc.

Not from what i know, same with the cooper...that's been in since the beginning...at least since i started playing it which is... pfffff....from what i can remember a week or two after LFS was first spotted on the web. The supra, the GTO, all came later but have all the setup bells and whistles. I think the roadcars are and will remain roadcars, "the cooper or 360 you get when you buy one" Im really very very happy with that cause it means "true" driving skill racing....and not setting the car up for ages or/and roaming the web for setups...you just start it up, drive and measures yerself against other drivers in exactly the same car...luvelu luvely luvely. The "fixed setup for all drivers" is something i miss in LFS. Looking at the setups out there, some of which with truely weird settings(guess the same goes for N2003), yet even the weird setups which would never be used in real life because they would result in an awefull car or rotten laptimes result in fast laptimes in the sims. Physics modelling assside, with the 'no setup' situation with some cars in netkar at least everyone drives the same thing, be it flawed or not, and it does result in winners being very proud and loosers excepting they need to practise more instead of going on the web again in search of a better setup. An added bonus is that there's none of the endless 'what are your camber settings...how much grill tape...where can i get your setup' etc..etc questions in online games:) Maybe in the netkar future one of the race versions of the 360 will get in there with all the setup options for the setup maniacs:) On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 13:32:46 +0200, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I assumed the 360 is still in beta stage and the setup options will >become available in a later stage? I sure hope so.. >And is it possible to raise the rideheight of the F3000? >It's kinda scraping the Nordschleife now, especially on the way to >Flugplatz :) > >Andre

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> LFS: Personally I find LFS quite boring. I don't get a sensation of > speed at all and controlling the car is very easy. The graphics look > great, but with 5 other AI cars in front of me the AI drops with about > 40% :-/ Maybe LFS is more fun when you unlock the faster cars, I did > so with the first release of LFS, but the only thing I can remember > about that is that I quickly grew tired of LFS so I can't really > bothered to go through the unlocking fase now. > Unless someone can convince me that LFS really gets a lot more > exciting with the faster cars..

The LX4 and LX6 are a lot of fun in LFS - I really didnt like the demo - the cars are rubbish - but the �12 was well spent imho Doug

"Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g7vTa.51222$[email hidden]... > "wasson" <wasson[remove]@prodigy.net> wrote in message > news:hwtTa.36383$[email hidden]... > > Speaking of LFS, I agree, it does seem so similar to GPL, that Ipurchased

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> > the S1 last night to try out the other cars. I didn't realize that you > still > > have > > to earn Many points to drive them, and I don't have that much time right > > now. Is there a way around this, so that all the cars can be driven? > > You can make it easier to beat the ai by handicapping them.

Best thing to do - is load a RUBBISH setup - add a full AI field - the load a normal setup and add yourself to the race. The AI will race with the rubbish setup and thus are easilty beaten. The short fern bay rally-x track at 5 laps is probably the quickest way to earn Doug

Obsessed me? Can't wait to go back there this sept. if they'll give me the time off work! -- Cheers, Robin now playing: Janes Addiction - Just Because http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:00:36 +0100, "Robin Lord" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder: > >http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip > > > >:) > > Yihaa! Now why am I not surprised that you are the first one to give > me the url of the Nordschleife ;) > > Cheers, > Andre

Obsessed me? Can't wait to go back there this sept. if they'll give me the time off work! -- Cheers, Robin now playing: Janes ***ion - Just Because [link lost in import] > On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:00:36 +0100, "Robin Lord" > >D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder: > >http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip > >:) > Yihaa! Now why am I not surprised that you are the first one to give > me the url of the Nordschleife ;) > Cheers, > Andre

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>Obsessed me? > >Can't wait to go back there this sept. if they'll give me the time off work! > >-- >Cheers, > >Robin > >now playing: Janes Addiction - Just Because

Off topic, but if you like Strays, have you listened to "Ritual de lo Habitual"? Excellent album, which I'd forgotten until I read your sig....

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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:05:55 +0200, willempie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >So it's rather amazing > >a lot of people still feel GPL rules in the physics department...which > >is rather silly if ya ask me...in 20 years time when we have an > >absolute real time perfect driving sim people will still go 'but GPL > >has better phisics' > > I can't think of anyone who doesn't agree that N2003's physics are way > ahead than GPL's physics actually :)

........................and think the physics are not used at its full potential due to the genre ..but thats another story, kinda like having a full blown race car for running errands.

"Jon" wrote: > > I can't think of anyone who doesn't agree that N2003's physics are way > > ahead than GPL's physics actually :) > > ..................and think the physics are not used at its full > potential due to the genre ..but thats another story, kinda like > having a full blown race car for running errands. A shade harsh - I am sure the Nascar fans appreciate the physics and they are being used to the full. However, for road facing fans like me, Nascars simply look out of sorts on a road track in real life, so an accurate simulation of what looks like driving a pig feels like one... So for us the better physics model of N2003 counts for nothing. Now an Aussie V8 weighs much the same as a Nascar but looks like it handles more like a touring car. So how come a Nascar cannot be set up to handle half decently on a road track - is it the limitations of the regs which basically mean you are driving a car designed for high speed corners only? Cheers Tony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 04/07/2003

John Wallace wrote: > Off topic, but if you like Strays, have you listened to "Ritual de lo > Habitual"? Excellent album, which I'd forgotten until I read your > sig.... Old classic! :) Didn't even realise they were back together 'till I saw 'em on MTV2 the other day! -- Cheers, Robin now playing: Fudge Tunnel - Grey http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk

> I assumed the 360 is still in beta stage and the setup options will > become available in a later stage? I sure hope so.. > And is it possible to raise the rideheight of the F3000? > It's kinda scraping the Nordschleife now, especially on the way to > Flugplatz :) Yeah it does that in a couple of the high speed corners and spits you off if you're not carefull I can't find a ride height setting, but if you take some wing off it doesn't push you into the ground so much. It's either that or you have to lift slightly at a couple of points -- Cheers, Robin now playing: Thomas P. Heckmann - Phosphene http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk

> Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediatelyputs > me off. > > I gave the Modena 27 laps at Falkenberg last night to try and force myself > to like it,but still not convinced >Wouldn't you get that in real life (likey fatally) if you were to drive high performance sports car on a tight club track for the first time without concideration to physical consiquences? Maybe they got it too right ;)

Can we have an amen! On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:28:38 -0600, "Jon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >........................and think the physics are not used at its full >potential >due to the genre ..but thats another story, kinda like having a full blown >race >car for running errands. >

Sound's like you were expecting a retail package which would explain your disappointment. A car doesn't have to have any historic significance for me to enjoy it - I'm not the sentimental type. I'm just impressed by Netkar as a technology demonstration as much as anything. It's got top-notch physics, a superb graphics engine (far better than GPL's) and very clever net code (as good or better than Papy's) and it's free. Those who say it's the new GPL aren't saying that it takes an arbitrary season of F1 and encapsulates the feel of it better than GPL - they're just saying that it's moving the sim racing genre into the future - much like GPL did back in 1998.

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> more like a touring car. So how come a Nascar cannot be set up to handle > half decently on a road track - is it the limitations of the regs which > basically mean you are driving a car designed for high speed corners only? > > Cheers > Tony >

You mean it can't? That's strange, i mean most guys are faster in WC cars than in the 67 cars on the same tracks. Of course the rubber's a lot better, but the handling ain't shabby either. :)

<snip> You mean it can't? That's strange, i mean most guys are faster in WC cars than in the 67 cars on the same tracks. Of course the ***'s a lot better, but the handling ain't shabby either. :)