LFS S1 Released

Good News: It's Out... Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... www.liveforspeed.net -jde

J.D. Ellis wrote: > Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > www.liveforspeed.net 5 mirrors up :-) downloading direct from my ISP :-) Thanks to the dev guys for this.

Downloading's not a problem, I can't get my key, the site must be struggling with the traffic. "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]...

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> Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > www.liveforspeed.net > > -jde > >

Alex Cameron wrote: > Downloading's not a problem, I can't get my key, the site must be struggling > with the traffic. No problem with my key... 1st time about 30 mins ago

Is there still only 1 track?

3 tracks with about 20 configurations possible . Also a 2 or 8 lane drag strip and a skid pad.And some really cool new cars too. Been playing for the last hour and it's worth the price of admission. "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf7f0c$bj392$[email hidden]... > Is there still only 1 track? > >

"Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pxJRa.84609$Ph3.10548@sccrnsc04... > 3 tracks with about 20 configurations possible . Also a 2 or 8 lane drag > strip and a skid pad.And some really cool new cars too. > Been playing for the last hour and it's worth the price of admission. > > There's 24 track variations (includes reverse direction) + the dragstrips and skidpad. Also, don't forget the re-configurable autocross area. :-) I'm just glad it's finally out. I was starting to resent Blackwood after having only that one track since last year...... Chris

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:44:06 GMT, Kinesin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>J.D. Ellis wrote: > >> Good News: It's Out... >> >> Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... >> >> www.liveforspeed.net > >5 mirrors up :-)

Yep, that must have been around the time I downloaded it... Now, finally, after burning it (and several other things) to a CD and removing said files from my HD, I'm installing it... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... > Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > www.liveforspeed.net I'm d'ling it now, there are links to the mirrors at the above link now. I'm pretty pleased that (if I've understood correctly) you can install in on up to 3 PC's, but I won't be able to try it until tonight because you have to use your key within an hour of requesting it. Malc.

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > www.liveforspeed.net Cheers. Btw, at the official LFS forum I see a lot of fuss about the keys to unlock it: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=205 I'll consider buying it when they get it sorted out :-) Ice D

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... > Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... I'd gotten through shortly after posting, and I did see the mirrors posted later. Thanks for the tips, though, all. Also, there's now a 75MB d/l to "patch" your existing demo installation. Really well done, I had a blast last night trying out the new bits. -jde

I R now a 'Registered Racer' :) -Larry "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]...

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> Good News: It's Out... > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > www.liveforspeed.net > > -jde > >

I paid by credit card, and it said my key would be emailed to me. Am I missing something? Larry "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bf7bpm$4a4$[email hidden]... > Downloading's not a problem, I can't get my key, the site must bestruggling

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> with the traffic. > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... > > Good News: It's Out... > > > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > -jde > > > > > >

Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disaster known as Product Activation in it? If it does, S1 is the LAST level I'll buy. Dammit, I sure hope they didn't destroy what was a perfect thing so far. -Larry "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2UQRa.48518$[email hidden]...

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> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... > > Good News: It's Out... > > > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > I'm d'ling it now, there are links to the mirrors at the above link now. > > I'm pretty pleased that (if I've understood correctly) you can install in

on > up to 3 PC's, but I won't be able to try it until tonight because you have > to use your key within an hour of requesting it. > > Malc. > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SEURa.1507$If5.1054@lakeread06... > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disasterknown > as Product Activation in it? > > If it does, S1 is the LAST level I'll buy. > > Dammit, I sure hope they didn't destroy what was a perfect thing so far. I guess it's intended to work in much the same way as product activation for XP, but for me, the activation itself is not the problem, it's the fact that it's Microsoft that are doing it, and what they would do with the info. There are no similar issues with the lfs dev team. Malc.

Larry wrote: > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disaster known > as Product Activation in it? Larry: It's not nearly as bad as all the blathering on the RSC forum would lead you to believe. I had no trouble with it. Took a matter of seconds, and worked the first time. I guess from the developer's end, it's a combination of CYA against piracy, a way to boot wreckers, and means of tracking race data for the LFS World portion of their site. Certainly not a deal breaker, IMHO. -jde

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f182be2$0$12979$[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disasterknown

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> > as Product Activation in it? > > Larry: > > It's not nearly as bad as all the blathering on the RSC forum would lead > you to believe. > > I had no trouble with it. Took a matter of seconds, and worked the > first time. > > I guess from the developer's end, it's a combination of CYA against > piracy, a way to boot wreckers, and means of tracking race data for the > LFS World portion of their site. > > Certainly not a deal breaker, IMHO.

No kidding; what a load of hysteria in the forums. The unlocking bit worked fine here, too; no problem at all. Plus, since the key isn't written to the registry, a simple backup of your LFS directory once it's unlocked eliminates any hardware/reformat issues. For the very reasonable fee they're asking, I was all too happy to support another sim with solid multiplayer - I should think most everyone in this NG would do likewise. Looking forward to seeing where they're able to go with LFS... SB

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> Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disaster > known as Product Activation in it? > > If it does, S1 is the LAST level I'll buy. > > Dammit, I sure hope they didn't destroy what was a perfect thing so > far. > > -Larry

<snip> Larry, fwiw, I just dl'd & reg'd w/o a problem. It only *requires* user name & e-mail addy, & was reatively painless. So far, so good. ;o) -Brian

So you download it, then you have to burn it? or that just you? Im off to read again, but I didnt see I had to burn it... then install it. "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:44:06 GMT, Kinesin <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > >J.D. Ellis wrote: > > > >> Good News: It's Out... > >> > >> Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > >> > >> www.liveforspeed.net > > > >5 mirrors up :-) > > Yep, that must have been around the time I downloaded it... > Now, finally, after burning it (and several other things) to a CD and

removing

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> said files from my HD, I'm installing it... > > -- > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > '-_____|( > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

Larry wrote: > > I R now a 'Registered Racer' :) I am Weasel ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

so I start downloading tonight at home at 2k per sec, so how long til I get it dl'd and home, assuming I can keep the connection alive? LOL... 140 megs? sheesh Im going to want to got a friends to DL I assume... "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > I R now a 'Registered Racer' :) > > I am Weasel ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

No worries. It all came as I expected. -Larry "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fDURa.1506$If5.84@lakeread06...

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> I paid by credit card, and it said my key would be emailed to me. > > Am I missing something? > > Larry > > "Alex Cameron" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bf7bpm$4a4$[email hidden]... > > Downloading's not a problem, I can't get my key, the site must be > struggling > > with the traffic. > > > > "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... > > > Good News: It's Out... > > > > > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > > > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > > -jde > > > > > > > > > > > >

No worries. It all came as I expected. -Larry

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> I paid by credit card, and it said my key would be emailed to me. > Am I missing something? > Larry > > Downloading's not a problem, I can't get my key, the site must be > struggling > > with the traffic. > > > Good News: It's Out... > > > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > > www.liveforspeed.net > > > -jde

It provides NOTHING for the paying customer except for heartache is some way or another. Every company that has used it has upset customers, and it doesn't really stop Piracy in any way. Paying customers are the only one's that, um, pay for it's inclusion. PowerQuest has also done this with DriveImage 7.0. Not only that, but the product has been neutered from what it was in version 2002 and is now virtually useless to me. I have purchased EVERY single version of DriveImage and PartitionMagic since they were released, spending many hundreds of dollars on upgrades. That is now over. I didn't see it coming from PowerQuest, and had purchased before I realized it. In the past, I had no reason to distrust them, nor to think the product wouldn't be an improvement. I got screwed for thinking that way this time and I will not forgive them. What's worse, DriveImage has become just another also-ran backup program. It's usefulness as an IMAGING product has been completely lost now. I pay for ALL of my software, and I feel like I have earned the right to bitch about such things :) -Larry "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f182be2$0$12979$[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disasterknown

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> > as Product Activation in it? > > Larry: > > It's not nearly as bad as all the blathering on the RSC forum would lead > you to believe. > > I had no trouble with it. Took a matter of seconds, and worked the > first time. > > I guess from the developer's end, it's a combination of CYA against > piracy, a way to boot wreckers, and means of tracking race data for the > LFS World portion of their site. > > Certainly not a deal breaker, IMHO. > > -jde >

I support the SIM by PAYING for it, just like I pay for all the other software I use. I've done my part. I don't want extranneious bullshit installed on my computer to satisfy their paranoia. Larry "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > No kidding; what a load of hysteria in the forums. The unlocking bitworked > fine here, too; no problem at all. Plus, since the key isn't written tothe > registry, a simple backup of your LFS directory once it's unlocked > eliminates any hardware/reformat issues. > > For the very reasonable fee they're asking, I was all too happy to support > another sim with solid multiplayer - I should think most everyone in thisNG

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> would do likewise. > > Looking forward to seeing where they're able to go with LFS... > > SB > >

It's not a privacy gripe. It's a technology and mistrust gripe, not to mention the well known issues with this sort of copy protection. -Larry "B.Farmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y4XRa.250$[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: > > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disaster > > known as Product Activation in it? > > > > If it does, S1 is the LAST level I'll buy. > > > > Dammit, I sure hope they didn't destroy what was a perfect thing so > > far. > > > > -Larry > > <snip> > > Larry, fwiw, I just dl'd & reg'd w/o a problem. It only *requires* user

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> & e-mail addy, & was reatively painless. > > So far, so good. ;o) > > -Brian > >

Eh? :) -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > I R now a 'Registered Racer' :) > > I am Weasel ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Larry wrote: > > Eh? :) There's a cartoon called "I am Weasel and I R Baboon" or something like that, thought it was a reference :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Ah, got it :) -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry wrote: > > > > Eh? :) > > There's a cartoon called "I am Weasel and I R Baboon" or something like > that, thought it was a reference :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

Soooo, how much is it in US cash?

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_JXRa.12379$N%3.10393@lakeread01... > It's not a privacy gripe. It's a technology and mistrust gripe, not to > mention the well known issues with this sort of copy protection. Couldn't care less ;-) After an evening of mucking about I can tell you the LX6 (Caterham7) is a right handful ;-) Can't believe you chaps & chappesses, not a post all evening that I can find that even mentions what lfs is like to drive. Anyone else actually had a go then?? Malc.

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_JXRa.12379$N%3.10393@lakeread01... >> It's not a privacy gripe. It's a technology and mistrust gripe, not >> to mention the well known issues with this sort of copy protection. > > > > Couldn't care less ;-) > > After an evening of mucking about I can tell you the LX6 (Caterham7) > is a right handful ;-) > > Can't believe you chaps & chappesses, not a post all evening that I > can find that even mentions what lfs is like to drive. > > Anyone else actually had a go then?? > > Malc. > >

I think the LX4 will end up being my favourite... Not as tough as the LX6, but delightfully squirrely all the same. Plus, it's a kind of race car that hasn't been exactly done to death in other sims! Now if I could only get the top off...?

"Per Thulin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think the LX4 will end up being my favourite... Not as tough as the LX6, > but delightfully squirrely all the same. Plus, it's a kind of race carthat > hasn't been exactly done to death in other sims! Now if I could only get > the top off...? I don't mind having the roof, but I'd like to be able to see though the windows in all the cars so I can look though the car ahead to see the road, brakelights & stuff. I didn't spend much time with the LX4 tonight, but having read a few other comments similar to yours I think I will tomorrow ;-) Malc.

In article <3f18512d$[email hidden]>, "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" <[email hidden]> writes: >so I start downloading tonight at home at 2k per sec, so how long til I get >it dl'd and home, assuming I can keep the connection alive? >LOL... 140 megs? sheesh > Don't know, took 15 minutes for me. Don McCorkle

On 18 Jul 2003 21:16:20 GMT, [email hidden] (HooTnFart) wrote: >Soooo, how much is it in US cash? Around $20, depending on the exchange rate. It cost $19.60 when I got it yesterday.

It's just him. You don't even need to install the game, only unzip it into a directory. However, it does need to be unlocked with a key to get all of the new tracks/cars. Chris "Mitch Wing (sting32)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f184baa$[email hidden]... > So you download it, then you have to burn it? or that just you? > > Im off to read again, but I didnt see I had to burn it... then installit. > "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:44:06 GMT, Kinesin<[email hidden]>

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> wrote: > > > > >J.D. Ellis wrote: > > > > > >> Good News: It's Out... > > >> > > >> Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... > > >> > > >> www.liveforspeed.net > > > > > >5 mirrors up :-) > > > > Yep, that must have been around the time I downloaded it... > > Now, finally, after burning it (and several other things) to a CD and > removing > > said files from my HD, I'm installing it... > > > > -- > > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > > '-_____|( > > > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying > >

"J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f182be2$0$12979$[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disasterknown

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> > as Product Activation in it? > > Larry: > > It's not nearly as bad as all the blathering on the RSC forum would lead > you to believe. > > I had no trouble with it. Took a matter of seconds, and worked the > first time. >

Yes, it was that bad at the time. I guess you weren't one of the first people to d/l and try to activate it as the servers were getting hammered... Chris

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:36:21 -0500, "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So you download it, then you have to burn it? or that just you? >Just me, because I didn't have enough free space on my HD for both the zip file and extracting its contents... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:53:15 GMT, Fido <[email hidden]> wrote: >On 18 Jul 2003 21:16:20 GMT, [email hidden] (HooTnFart) wrote: > >>Soooo, how much is it in US cash? > >Around $20, depending on the exchange rate. >It cost $19.60 when I got it yesterday. Hmmm... maybe in a week or two, right now I have other (more urgent) expenses. If I've read correctly what's on their website, they don't have any problems charging Visa debit cards, right? -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

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>From: "Larry" [email hidden] >Date: 7/18/03 10:55 AM Central Daylight Time >Message-id: <SEURa.1507$If5.1054@lakeread06> > >Oh, God. PLEASE don't tell me this thing has that draconian disaster known >as Product Activation in it? > >If it does, S1 is the LAST level I'll buy. > >Dammit, I sure hope they didn't destroy what was a perfect thing so far. > >-Larry > >"Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:2UQRa.48518$[email hidden]... >> "J.D. Ellis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:3f1720f5$0$73622$[email hidden]... >> > Good News: It's Out... >> > >> > Bad News: No Mirrors, As Yet... >> > >> > www.liveforspeed.net >> >> I'm d'ling it now, there are links to the mirrors at the above link now. >> >> I'm pretty pleased that (if I've understood correctly) you can install in >on >> up to 3 PC's, but I won't be able to try it until tonight because you have >> to use your key within an hour of requesting it. >> >> Malc. >> >> >

I'd imagine this would work like shareware apps. One activation and you're done, not like your MS Quicken woes with continuous pestering... Todd Wasson Racing Software http://PerformanceSimulations.com http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'd imagine this would work like shareware apps. One activation andyou're > done, not like your MS Quicken woes with continuous pestering... Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case. From what I understand if you copy the folder, format your drive & re-install the same OS (ie maintenance) and copy the folder back it will continue to work. If you upgrade your PC it may need to be re-registered, and if you run out of keys, you can mail the devs for assistance. In this respect it's very much like the Microsoft system. Fortunately this is not Microsoft we're talking about ;-) Malc.

If don't have 280MB of space, then this is the least of your problems :) -Larry "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:36:21 -0500, "Mitch Wing \(sting32\)"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >So you download it, then you have to burn it? or that just you? > > > Just me, because I didn't have enough free space on my HD for both the zipfile

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Interesting question: What happens if these folks decide to pack it in ? -Larry "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u8kSa.48837$[email hidden]...

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> "J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I'd imagine this would work like shareware apps. One activation and > you're > > done, not like your MS Quicken woes with continuous pestering... > > Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case. > > From what I understand if you copy the folder, format your drive & > re-install the same OS (ie maintenance) and copy the folder back it will > continue to work. > If you upgrade your PC it may need to be re-registered, and if you run out > of keys, you can mail the devs for assistance. In this respect it's very > much like the Microsoft system. > > Fortunately this is not Microsoft we're talking about ;-) > > Malc. > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NQUSa.610$5b7.230@lakeread01... > Interesting question: What happens if these folks decide to pack it in ? Same thing that happened with gpl & the no-CD patch they included in the CPU fix. Essentially they haven't really thought that far ahead yet (understandably) but wanted to get the game out quickly, and this was the most reliable copy protection they could come up with in the time available. Scawen more or less said that if the time comes that the lfs dev team get bored with it & move on, they'll more than likely put out a patch to remove the registration requirement. Abandonware basically. That time is pretty far off though, so don't hold your breath. Malc.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:56:15 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If don't have 280MB of space, then this is the least of your problems :) >I'm constantly having to burn things as I d/l them from the Internet, I have ~1,5GB which I can use to download and install things, or as workspace. The problem arises when I've been downloading without burning ASAP... I've been repeating myself that I need to buy a new HD very urgently, but keep having other expenses... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying