RASCAR Daytona....

Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 is CENTRAL...not EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in time to get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, I think. The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pits at every yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more laps and yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREEN GREEN and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid him. BLACK FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars. I still dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? I slow down, letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on. I pull the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...for petes sake. Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. Ended up getting caught up in someone elses accident, no big deal, and had to retire. Just wish I could have been racing for position for a while longer. I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks guys. Michael

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> Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 > is CENTRAL...not EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the > website. I get in just in time to get one lap in qualifying > and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, I think. > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit > the pits at every yellow, hoping that a long green run will > pay off for me. I run with Frederickson and Ed S for a few > laps and then a yellow. A few more laps and yellow again. > A third. And then something weird happens. > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says > GREEN GREEN GREEN and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I > have to drop low to avoid him. BLACK FLAG... grooooaaan... > but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are showing > and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing > cars. I still dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I > don't know about? I slow down, letting the cars move ahead > of me and the green lights are STILL on. I pull the the > pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah... > for petes sake.

If you had in-car chat turned on (and I think the site says you should), you might have noticed we agreed to take a "slow green" (i.e. race goes green but everyone stays at pace speed) to allow David G. Fisher, who'd disconnected out of the lead, back on the lead lap. What you should have done, after this mistake and getting the BF, is blow past everybody so as to stay on the lead lap when serving the penalty (stating bogus BF in chat). > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. > Ended up getting caught up in someone elses accident, no > big deal, and had to retire. If you'd moved low as I intended you to, you might have made it passed that one. Do not force a lead lap car to take a certain line around you. Comply to his/her intentions, either verbal or "car body language", instead. I clearly lined up to pass you high, only to have you be polite and move up "out of the way", thereby baulking me and leaving me unsighted as to what was happening ahead. If in doubt, go low... do not block the escape route. > Just wish I could have been racing for position for a while > longer. 20 out of 21 drivers at the time realised what was going on.... sorry. > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks > guys. Yeah, best superspeedway race yet, I reckon. Jan. =---

>>If you'd moved low as I intended you to, you might have made it passed thatone. Do not force a lead lap car to take a certain line around you. Comply to his/her intentions, either verbal or "car body language", instead. I clearly lined up to pass you high, only to have you be polite and move up "out of the way", thereby baulking me and leaving me unsighted as to what was happening ahead. If in doubt, go low... do not block the escape route.>> Jan I started that run from the inside line and let everyone go by me until it was safe to move to the high line. During the course of the race I repeatedly used the "28 Shamrock Pass Me Low" button and moved up the track with plenty of time for those behind me to make the proper adjustment.. At the time of the accident I was already in the high line and with five cars diceing back an forth in front of me it was a little difficult to look in the mirror and decipher your "body language". Too many cars moving side to side to realize that you were "clearly" going to pass me on the outside. You should have been able to look up the track and see what was directly in front of me and realized my full attention was not on the rear view mirror. I went high with the accident because he (Frederickson?) had hit the wall and I fully expected him to washout down the track. Certainly my misjudgement. As far as everyone going on a slow green lap to help out DF...I must have missed the very first part of the conversation. I thought the discussion was on giving a lap back. In general. Of couse, in general, I have been known to be and idiot! And certainly got what I deserved :))) Still, thouroughly enjoyed the run. Michael

for starters i forgot to save the replay for myself.... so im just goin on memory > You should have been able to look up the track and see what was directlyin > front of me and realized my full attention was not on the rear viewmirror. I > went high with the accident because he (Frederickson?) had hit the walland I > fully expected him to washout down the track. Certainly my misjudgement. Is that a compliment... almost? ;-) > As far as everyone going on a slow green lap to help out DF...I must have > missed the very first part of the conversation. I thought the discussionwas > on giving a lap back. In general. Of couse, in general, I have beenknown to > be and idiot! And certainly got what I deserved :))) I read the chat and honestly i didnt know that was gonna happen either, but i got the idea after (quite) a few seconds. I thought one of the bosses was gonna clear the lap down with the server command, not actually the old fashioned redneck way. ;-) > Still, thouroughly enjoyed the run. Yea it was a fun race. :*D

> Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 isCENTRAL...not > EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in timeto > get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, Ithink. Honestly I havent raced much in a while, so with all the new faces I was kinda nervous as to who I should be afraid of getting too close to. So I was kinda scared of you, but now that I think about it you were pretty safe and i had nothing to worry about. Like you said, you me and Ed were hanging back trying to avoid the messes. Me and Ed's sponsors had a meeting and decided we should run together. I followed him round and round but I lost my concentration in the dogleg and scraped the wall, screwing up my aero. I tried to lead and it didnt work, so behind him i tucked. There was one big yellow and I had my smoke turned off from the road courses. I used to keep all the realism settings to max but since sears I left them off to avoid accidents. Well that doesnt work at Daytona, cause there was a huge wreck and I didnt notice until I smacked some car. With moderate damage it messed up my engine a little but I could still keep up with Ed, but I couldnt pass. We pitted together until there was about 40 laps to go, when Ed decided he had to go for it. He took 2 tires and off he went. I didnt mind since I was pretty slow, but I was mad that I hadnt remembered to only take 2 myself, which I would have normally. My mind was on the damage. At the green I was able to keep up and even pass some cars, but I ended up driving too agressively and got caught 3 wide when I wasnt expecting it, I got in the marbles and hit the wall. There was no room and I made a mess of the track and my car, so I couldnt keep up anymore. But then Ed blew his engine...

Hi folks, I very much enjoyed last night's race. Sorry again to Neil_C for crashing into him with five or six laps to go. It was my best RASCAR performance to date, and simply got too nervous in this tight pack of cars. Sorry mate! I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) Pau(l)lin and Jan... while tim was warping consistently, Jan only warped when getting close to him, quite strange. It was great fun drafting with Steve, DGF and Larry for endless laps... we nearly showed'em, boys ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote... > Hi folks, > <snip> > I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) > Pau(l)lin and Jan... while tim was warping > consistently, Jan only warped when getting close > to him, quite strange. Coincidence. I thought there was a connection with the number of cars in my view for a while too, but it was just random. Most annoying seeing as the dial-up was solid last week. Unusually high latency for some reason too (even taking into account the dail-up). Jan. =---

Tim was warping consistently. I started behind him and was trying to find a way past while still giving some space for obvious reasons. I was thankful when he pull into the pits and was also glad that he didn't have to drop out of the race entirely. > I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) Pau(l)lin and > This was a fun race for me as I ran up front for most of the race. After the green flag stop I overcame getting stuck at the end of the field, right behind the pace car with the help of a timely yellow. To be involved in that much close racing with no incidents or dents is great. Steve

>> Fredrickson wrote - Honestly I havent raced much in a while, so with allthe new faces I was kinda nervous as to who I should be afraid of getting too close to. So I was kinda scared of you, but now that I think about it you were pretty safe and i had nothing to worry about.>> This is probably the hardest part about racing with a new crowd. I have raced for years under the name Wozmon, dating back to Hawaii where I carried a 10 rating. But of course that doesnt mean a hill of beans to guys driving now Thats why I am always EXTRA careful. Since I have been reading the newsgroup for a few years, I know who is who, and it was a safe bet to follow you and Ed. Just too bad it didn't work out. :)) Ah well, a fun experience anyways! And yes, that was a compliment about you on the wall. You kept it up there nicely. If I hadn't hit you full steam, you might have been able to keep it there unitl traffic had passed. Michael

In article <[email hidden]>, Uwe hoover Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> writes: >I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) Pau(l)lin and >Jan... while tim was warping consistently, Jan only warped when >getting close to him, quite strange. I saw Tim warping, but I didn't get close to Jan often enough to notice his connection... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <fUMNa.38349$[email hidden]>, "frederickson" <[email hidden]> writes: >I read the chat and honestly i didnt know that was gonna happen either, but >i got the idea after (quite) a few seconds. I thought one of the bosses was >gonna clear the lap down with the server command, not actually the old >fashioned redneck way. ;-) I was logged in as boss, but I honestly don't know HOW to clear a BF. I remember thinking, "there HAS to be a better way than this..." Guess I better find my manual. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> There was one big yellow and I had my smoke turned off from the road > courses. I used to keep all the realism settings to max but since sears I > left them off to avoid accidents. Well that doesnt work at Daytona, cause > there was a huge wreck and I didnt notice until I smacked some car. With > moderate damage it messed up my engine a little but I could still keep up > with Ed, but I couldnt pass. We pitted together until there was about 40 > laps to go, when Ed decided he had to go for it. He took 2 tires and off

he > went. I didnt mind since I was pretty slow, but I was mad that I hadnt > remembered to only take 2 myself, which I would have normally. My mind was > on the damage. I was behind you when you were sliding up the track and T-Boned you when I went low to avoid the wreck. Sorry bout that. I had slowed down enough that oddly enough I didn't sustain any damage. > > At the green I was able to keep up and even pass some cars, but I ended up > driving too agressively and got caught 3 wide when I wasnt expecting it, I > got in the marbles and hit the wall. There was no room and I made a messof > the track and my car, so I couldnt keep up anymore. > > But then Ed blew his engine... Larry and Ed kept me informed of my warp, so I pitted out of the top 10 to stay out of the way and still finish the race. I ran behind you the last few laps .... saw no reason to try to pass you for 13th position(lol) Tim

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> "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote... > > Hi folks, > > <snip> > > I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) > > Pau(l)lin and Jan... while tim was warping > > consistently, Jan only warped when getting close > > to him, quite strange. > > Coincidence. I thought there was a connection with the number of cars in

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> view for a while too, but it was just random. > > Most annoying seeing as the dial-up was solid last week. Unusually high > latency for some reason too (even taking into account the dail-up). > > Jan. > =--- > >

Yeah I don't know what happened to my connection. Really pissed me off, I really wanted to push to the front but felt it was more considerate to pit and go to the back of the pack. Tim aka "blinky 2 car"

Uwe we must be rubbin off on ya ;) Youre startin to sound like a redneck, hehe. "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... we nearly showed'em, boys ;-)

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> > Cheers, > > uwe > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

> I was logged in as boss, but I honestly don't know HOW to clear a BF. I > remember thinking, "there HAS to be a better way than this..." > Guess I better find my manual. From the readme: Multiplayer servers now have the option of allowing any connected user to call a poll to allowing them to vote on certain admin commands. Only one poll is allowed at a time. A 'yes' vote is automatically entered for the person initiating a poll. All other users can vote on the poll using chat commands "!YES" or "!NO". Only those users who were connected to the server at the time the poll was initiated are allowed to vote. At the completion of the vote's timer any non-votes are counted as no votes, and the final outcome is broadcast to all users. To prevent hogging the polling system, a user is not allowed to initiate a new poll for a short time after having conducted a poll. The poll is entered as a chat message "!poll pole_type player" where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the player's name. The chat command "!list_polls" will return a complete list of available polls. For example: !poll eject player [<comment>] !poll yellow [<comment>] !poll black player [<comment>] !poll clear player [<comment>] !poll lap+ player [<comment>] !poll lap- player [<comment>] !poll track track_name Two new driving controls have been added to quickly vote YES or NO in response to a poll. Note that these hotkeys are only available while driving in-car: F11 - votes yes (issues !yes chat command) F12 - votes no (issues !no chat command)

Oh, by the way - Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a high or low line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle of the road' method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you put me into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"frederickson" wrote... > > <Snip> > From the readme: > <snip> So does Eldred's have to learn all RASCAR Sierra IDs by heart or does that work off racenumber? Jan. =---

it said : The poll is entered as a chat message "!poll pole_type player" where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car number, or the player's name. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B%YNa.9456$[email hidden]...

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> "frederickson" wrote... > > > <Snip> > > From the readme: > > <snip> > > So does Eldred's have to learn all RASCAR Sierra IDs by heart or does that > work off racenumber? > > Jan. > =--- > > >

Thats reminds me... Edlred have you changed the boss pw? Please send me the new one. -- ed_

"Jan Verschueren" said: > > So does Eldred's have to learn all RASCAR Sierra IDs by heart or does that > work off racenumber? You can use number, name or both. -- ed_ http://rascar.racesimcentral.com --------------------------------------- $10 say Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : Oh, by the way - : Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a high or low : line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle of the road' : method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... : I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you put me : into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. : : Eldred : -- : Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my : homepage) : Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett : : Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. Eldred, We were near each other on the track quite a bit yesterday. I thought I had done pretty well, especially considering my car had been used as a wall buffer by several cars as the pack past me on two separate occasions. I do always take the highline when being overtaken, though as I have said before, i do make mistakes, I am new to this. You experienced drivers might want to consider the cars on the outside when passing, I managed to stay on the lead lap and quite racey till very near the end of the race. When the pack did catch me and pass, my day was basically ended by lead pack cars bouncing me off the wall as they passed, it is really a very wide track and there is no reason to be that close to the outside wall passing traffic in the dogleg. Save the passes for clean areas on the track. I have been bitched out for not paying attention to cars approaching and to use the F2+space combo, I think that same applies to cars that are overtaking, please, please take care to leave enough room on your outside to get past. I think most of the drivers here could do well to remember that lifting is not a bad thing, and that getting in line to pass traffic is much safer than continueing to fight for a position at the risk of the rest of the field. As for what I did after the damage. I reviewed my replay and found on the restart on lap 72, that eldred and bfarmer (sorry, not sure of your given name) were behind me, by several car lengths. I passed coorzman low on the back stretch, moved high for my entry into the corner and then down to the bottom around three into four. At this point (entry) Eldred you were in my rearview mirror running into the highline but I had plenty of room to move up as I exited four. I was running almost 180 and you were not gaining on me much at all at that point, still, as I went toward the wall on my exit, you did scrap the wall and when you came off the wall continued on down into the side of the 15 bfarmer car. I was simply running my line ahead of you and you were clearly in my rearview mirror the whole time. I had no expectations at that point that you were passing me. I did not see the incident you refer to but I remember being around your group on the previous restart and slowing then accelerating past all three of you as you all seemed to have a very slow restart. I felt up to the point my aero was ruined that I was every bit as fast as you guys and was racing all of you for position. I will stand by the "rule" (?) that I am under no obligation to move over and allow a pass for position. Sorry to be so wordy here but I think I will need specific evidence that I did something wrong here. I am very happy with the way I raced and my day was ended by the actions of others and not through my own mistakes as has been the case in the past. I am very capable of racing the high and low lines at Daytona, I am able to change lines to avoid traffic and wrecks even in the middle of corners without spinning or "losing it". I had no aids turned on (autoclutch=on) and do not need aids at this track. Having said all that, I did make a big mistake and need to apologize to the 162 car(?). On one restart I had a pretty good head of steam up and the cars ahead of me were a good bit slower, I dove low (wrong way) slowing fast on the brakes but was going below the yellow line, I tried to stay above it but the 162 was coming down as well to avoid a car outside and we touched, my right front to his left rear, spinning him and he went off my front end into the infield. Sorry bout that. On another restart Eldred was ahead of me and slowed suddenly, I don't recall why but I shot down again ( gotta learn to move up the track) and was black flagged for passing on the inside on a restart. I feel that was a move to avoid an accident and I should not have been black flagged, but I did pass to the inside. got lucky and served it right before another yellow so did not lose a lap on the stop and go, barely. :-) -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:38:46 GMT, frederickson wrote: > it said : The poll is entered as a chat message "!poll pole_type player" > where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car > number, or the player's name. how can you guys chat in-car like this anyways, even under yellow??? I have a hard time believing you're all steering with your chin while you type, as I did yesterday. Good thing nobody entered my room during that time ;-) Cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 09:26:09 -0500, Tim Paullin wrote: > Yeah I don't know what happened to my connection. Really pissed me off, I > really wanted to push to the front but felt it was more considerate to pit > and go to the back of the pack. > > Tim aka "blinky 2 car" hi tim, sorry for getting your name wrong (by pattern match ;-) and thanks even more for your consideration! Cheers, Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:00:45 GMT, Despiser wrote: > Uwe we must be rubbin off on ya ;) Youre startin to sound like a redneck, > hehe. > oh gawd! Run for the hills! Then again, I tend to turn rather red when exposed to sunlight... hmmm gets me thinking ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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>: Oh, by the way - >: Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a high or >low >: line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle of the >road' >: method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... >: I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you put >me >: into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. >: >: Eldred

Well I didn't save the replay so I'm not sure who it was but just after I managed to pass Eldred and Jan I came up on a car that was WAY off the pace in turn 2-3. I first started low and the slower car started down so I started up...so did slower car..so I ended up in the wall whick of course let Eldred and Jan fly back by. This has to be the incident that Eldred is referring to. *IF* it was you Sean...I sure couldn't figure out which way you were going. Seemed to be undecided. Next time just pick either high or low and the gaining car will get around clean. Two decent races for me for a change...2 Daytona Rascar races in two days...0 incidents! As always thanks for hosting Eldred. Dan

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>> I was logged in as boss, but I honestly don't know HOW to clear a BF. I >> remember thinking, "there HAS to be a better way than this..." >> Guess I better find my manual. > >From the readme: > >Multiplayer servers now have the option of allowing any connected user to >call a poll to allowing them to vote on certain admin commands.

I didn't say it wasn't *possible*, only that I didn't know how...<g> Although it may be tough to type and drive at the same time, so such pols/results may be limited to yellow flag laps. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Eldred, > > We were near each other on the track quite a bit yesterday. I thought I >had done pretty well, especially considering my car had been used as a wall >buffer by several cars as the pack past me on two separate occasions. I do >always take the highline when being overtaken, though as I have said before, >i do make mistakes, I am new to this. You experienced drivers might want to >consider the cars on the outside when passing, I managed to stay on the lead >lap and quite racey till very near the end of the race. When the pack did >catch me and pass, my day was basically ended by lead pack cars bouncing me >off the wall as they passed, it is really a very wide track and there is no >reason to be that close to the outside wall passing traffic in the dogleg. >Save the passes for clean areas on the track. I have been bitched out for >not paying attention to cars approaching and to use the F2+space combo, I >think that same applies to cars that are overtaking, please, please take >care to leave enough room on your outside to get past. I think most of the >drivers here could do well to remember that lifting is not a bad thing, and >that getting in line to pass traffic is much safer than continueing to fight >for a position at the risk of the rest of the field.

Um, we *were* in line - that's why our speed was much greater than yours at that point. By you being in the middle of the track, that forced us in a split second to decide which side to pass you on. As it turned out, one driver went high, and the other two went low. And if I remember correctly, you were at least a lap down at that point. If you weren't, then I'll concede the 'fight for position' angle.

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> Sorry to be so wordy here but I think I will need specific evidence that >I did something wrong here. I am very happy with the way I raced and my day >was ended by the actions of others and not through my own mistakes as has >been the case in the past. I am very capable of racing the high and low >lines at Daytona, I am able to change lines to avoid traffic and wrecks even >in the middle of corners without spinning or "losing it". I had no aids >turned on (autoclutch=on) and do not need aids at this track.

Such an attitude coming back...interesting. I understand that you're new at this, and tempered my post because of that. I thought my original post was to the point, and respectful. I don't feel you response was *either* of those. No matter - you're entitled to state your case as you see fit. Be aware - although I will not search out any mistakes that you may make, you will no longer get the benefit of the doubt in any that you DO make. No quarter will be given by me on the track as well. I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : >: Oh, by the way - : >: Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a high or : >low : >: line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle of the : >road' : >: method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... : >: I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you put : >me : >: into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. : >: : >: Eldred : : Well I didn't save the replay so I'm not sure who it was but just after I : managed to pass Eldred and Jan I came up on a car that was WAY off the pace in : turn 2-3. I first started low and the slower car started down so I started : up...so did slower car..so I ended up in the wall whick of course let Eldred : and Jan fly back by. This has to be the incident that Eldred is referring to. : *IF* it was you Sean...I sure couldn't figure out which way you were going. : Seemed to be undecided. Next time just pick either high or low and the gaining : car will get around clean. Two decent races for me for a change...2 Daytona : Rascar races in two days...0 incidents! : As always thanks for hosting Eldred. : Dan That was me, this happened right after I had been pushed into the wall twice and was still trying to get my head together and my car back under control. I am sorry. I think it was lap 61. I also have to rescind (sp?) my previous assertion that it was not my fault I was lapped. My misfortune started when the 28 car wrecked. I was far back with Eldred behind me. slowed a little for the wreck but the track cleared and I kept going, then the 28 came unglued from the wall and down the track, right where I had aimed :-( I really didn't have much choice as Eldred was going high and my best option was to stay off the gas and pray, didn't help! I pitted for repairs but I must have had some front end damage. I Lost it coming out of four after the restart, accross the grass into the inside wall, back onto the track and off the outside wall. After that I was way off pace and the lead pack caught me pretty quick, that is when I was pushed into the wall twice. Now both sides of my car are banged up, all the way around really, thanks for setting damage to moderate (:-). I kept going but was all over the track trying to get my line back, figure out who was behind me and how damaged I was. there were about 10 pretty bad laps for me there. Overall, I am still pretty happy with my racing. I kept the same line throughout most of the race, not high and not low but fast. Ask Larry, he was behind me for about 12 laps, with another 5 (?) cars behind him, he kept looking high and low but just could not get beside me, finally did though. Good Job Larry! Though if you had tucked in behind me I think we could have caught the lead pack. -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : In article <[email hidden]>, "mcwhom" : <[email hidden]> writes: : : >Eldred, : > : > We were near each other on the track quite a bit yesterday. I thought I : >had done pretty well, especially considering my car had been used as a wall : >buffer by several cars as the pack past me on two separate occasions. I do : >always take the highline when being overtaken, though as I have said before, : >i do make mistakes, I am new to this. You experienced drivers might want to : >consider the cars on the outside when passing, I managed to stay on the lead : >lap and quite racey till very near the end of the race. When the pack did : >catch me and pass, my day was basically ended by lead pack cars bouncing me : >off the wall as they passed, it is really a very wide track and there is no : >reason to be that close to the outside wall passing traffic in the dogleg. : >Save the passes for clean areas on the track. I have been bitched out for : >not paying attention to cars approaching and to use the F2+space combo, I : >think that same applies to cars that are overtaking, please, please take : >care to leave enough room on your outside to get past. I think most of the : >drivers here could do well to remember that lifting is not a bad thing, and : >that getting in line to pass traffic is much safer than continueing to fight : >for a position at the risk of the rest of the field. : : Um, we *were* in line - that's why our speed was much greater than yours at : that point. By you being in the middle of the track, that forced us in a split : second to decide which side to pass you on. As it turned out, one driver went : high, and the other two went low. And if I remember correctly, you were at : least a lap down at that point. If you weren't, then I'll concede the 'fight : for position' angle. The above point was to the lead pack of cars, not you guys. : : > Sorry to be so wordy here but I think I will need specific evidence that : >I did something wrong here. I am very happy with the way I raced and my day : >was ended by the actions of others and not through my own mistakes as has : >been the case in the past. I am very capable of racing the high and low : >lines at Daytona, I am able to change lines to avoid traffic and wrecks even : >in the middle of corners without spinning or "losing it". I had no aids : >turned on (autoclutch=on) and do not need aids at this track. : : Such an attitude coming back...interesting. I understand that you're new at : this, and tempered my post because of that. I thought my original post was to : the point, and respectful. I don't feel you response was *either* of those. : No matter - you're entitled to state your case as you see fit. Be aware - : although I will not search out any mistakes that you may make, you will no : longer get the benefit of the doubt in any that you DO make. No quarter will : be given by me on the track as well. : I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day. Hmm, where did the attitude come from? Maybe because of the races I have run with this group I believe only one has not been followed by someone saying I screwed up and telling me I cant drive or don't know the rules. I have just watched the race for a second time and I will tell you that I did a better job of passing and being passed than some of you *experienced* drivers. This is not directed at you Eldred, I respect you and you drove a very clean race. If anything I am wondering why you seemed to stay behind me on 2 occasions where I lost significant speed briefly? : : Eldred : -- : Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my : homepage) : Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett : : Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

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> >: <snip> > Well I didn't save the replay so I'm not sure who it was but > just after I managed to pass Eldred and Jan I came up on a car > that was WAY off the pace in turn 2-3. I first started low and > the slower car started down so I started up...so did slower car >..so I ended up in the wall whick of course let Eldred and Jan > fly back by. This has to be the incident that Eldred is referring > to.

No that was a seperate one, which wasn't all that dangerous... for us. <g> > <snip> Jan. =---

Yes, that was for me since my electricity went out for a moment due to a storm passing through. Ended up happeneing again a little later on. Thanks to all of you for the consideration. I was on pole (had pole the night before in the practice race too) and felt strong during the race, but unfortunately for the second race in a row I finished up weak. Just couldn't make up those laps. :-( It was a good race though. Much, much better than our previous SS races. David G Fisher "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 isCENTRAL...not > EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in timeto > get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, Ithink. > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pits atevery > yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with > Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more lapsand > yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREENGREEN > and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid him.BLACK > FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are > showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars. Istill > dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? I slowdown, > letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on. Ipull > the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...forpetes > sake. > > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. Ended up getting > caught up in someone elses accident, no big deal, and had to retire. Justwish > I could have been racing for position for a while longer. > > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks guys. > > Michael

"mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >I have just watched the race for a second time and I will tell you that Idid > a better job of passing and being passed than some of you *experienced* > drivers. That's very probably true. Don't worry about it. David G Fisher

>No that was a seperate one, which wasn't all that dangerous... for us. <g> > >> <snip> > >Jan. Gotcha Jan. I had it narrowed to one of two and now I know who the other is :) Seems you had a little discussion with him as well :) No problems....just happy to be able to race. Dan

"mcwhom" wrote...... <SNIPPED!> Sean, I would be very thankful if you could try an cut down on the qouting a bit - had to scroll for miles just to find your reply. -- ed_

mcwhom, try top posting so that we dont have to reread all the previous post to get to your goodies. One of those newgroup courtesy things. thanks and have a wonderful huckleberry day "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : In article <[email hidden]>, "mcwhom" > : <[email hidden]> writes: > : > : >Eldred, > : > > : > We were near each other on the track quite a bit yesterday. I > thought I > : >had done pretty well, especially considering my car had been used as a > wall > : >buffer by several cars as the pack past me on two separate occasions.

I > do > : >always take the highline when being overtaken, though as I have said > before, > : >i do make mistakes, I am new to this. You experienced drivers mightwant > to > : >consider the cars on the outside when passing, I managed to stay on the > lead > : >lap and quite racey till very near the end of the race. When the pack > did > : >catch me and pass, my day was basically ended by lead pack carsbouncing > me > : >off the wall as they passed, it is really a very wide track and thereis > no > : >reason to be that close to the outside wall passing traffic in the > dogleg. > : >Save the passes for clean areas on the track. I have been bitched out > for > : >not paying attention to cars approaching and to use the F2+space combo,I > : >think that same applies to cars that are overtaking, please, pleasetake

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> : >care to leave enough room on your outside to get past. I think most of > the > : >drivers here could do well to remember that lifting is not a bad thing, > and > : >that getting in line to pass traffic is much safer than continueing to > fight > : >for a position at the risk of the rest of the field. > : > : Um, we *were* in line - that's why our speed was much greater than yours > at > : that point. By you being in the middle of the track, that forced us in

a > split > : second to decide which side to pass you on. As it turned out, onedriver

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> went > : high, and the other two went low. And if I remember correctly, you were > at > : least a lap down at that point. If you weren't, then I'll concede the > 'fight > : for position' angle. > > The above point was to the lead pack of cars, not you guys. > : > : > Sorry to be so wordy here but I think I will need specific evidence > that > : >I did something wrong here. I am very happy with the way I raced and

my > day > : >was ended by the actions of others and not through my own mistakes ashas > : >been the case in the past. I am very capable of racing the high andlow > : >lines at Daytona, I am able to change lines to avoid traffic and wrecks > even > : >in the middle of corners without spinning or "losing it". I had noaids > : >turned on (autoclutch=on) and do not need aids at this track. > : > : Such an attitude coming back...interesting. I understand that you'renew > at > : this, and tempered my post because of that. I thought my original post > was to > : the point, and respectful. I don't feel you response was *either* of > those. > : No matter - you're entitled to state your case as you see fit. Beaware - > : although I will not search out any mistakes that you may make, you willno

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> : longer get the benefit of the doubt in any that you DO make. No quarter > will > : be given by me on the track as well. > : I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day. > > Hmm, where did the attitude come from? Maybe because of the races I have > run with this group I believe only one has not been followed by someone > saying I screwed up and telling me I cant drive or don't know the rules.

I > have just watched the race for a second time and I will tell you that Idid > a better job of passing and being passed than some of you *experienced* > drivers. This is not directed at you Eldred, I respect you and you drovea

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> very clean race. If anything I am wondering why you seemed to stay behind > me on 2 occasions where I lost significant speed briefly? > > > : > : Eldred > : -- > : Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on > my > : homepage) > : Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > : > : Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > -- > McWhom > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >

LOL, sorry. I actually entered a sentence after your remark, I did not make that very plain however. Probably no one saw it. It said My comment on passing was intended for the lead pack drivers. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f08d49f$[email hidden]... : : "mcwhom" wrote...... : : <SNIPPED!> : : Sean, : I would be very thankful if you could try an cut down on the qouting a bit - : had to scroll for miles just to find your reply. : : -- : ed_ : :

In article <[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >It was a good race though. Much, much better than our previous SS races. On Friday, I predicted 8 yellow flags. As it turned out, we had 8 yellows... I should buy a lottery ticket, dammit...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Hmm, where did the attitude come from? Maybe because of the races I have >run with this group I believe only one has not been followed by someone >saying I screwed up and telling me I cant drive or don't know the rules. I >have just watched the race for a second time and I will tell you that I did >a better job of passing and being passed than some of you *experienced* >drivers. This is not directed at you Eldred, I respect you and you drove a >very clean race. If anything I am wondering why you seemed to stay behind >me on 2 occasions where I lost significant speed briefly?

I said I was done with this discussion, but I'll answer your question. Bluntly, it's a lack of confidence in your ability to hold a line. In other words, I never know exactly WHAT you're going to do. As I said before, I don't review replays looking at someone's driving style(although maybe I should start). You may be a solid driver 90-95% of the time, I don't know. It just seems that every time you're nearby, it ends badly for me. And recently, we've been nearby on track a lot. I end up near Jan a lot as well for some reason. But, I've raced closely with Jan for at least the past 2 years or so, so there's more of a trust(and therefore confidence) factor built up. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Whatever dude, I held a steady line lap after lap of that race. I passed you and you passed me several times. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : In article <[email hidden]>, "mcwhom" : <[email hidden]> writes: : : >Hmm, where did the attitude come from? Maybe because of the races I have : >run with this group I believe only one has not been followed by someone : >saying I screwed up and telling me I cant drive or don't know the rules. I : >have just watched the race for a second time and I will tell you that I did : >a better job of passing and being passed than some of you *experienced* : >drivers. This is not directed at you Eldred, I respect you and you drove a : >very clean race. If anything I am wondering why you seemed to stay behind : >me on 2 occasions where I lost significant speed briefly? : : I said I was done with this discussion, but I'll answer your question. : Bluntly, it's a lack of confidence in your ability to hold a line. In other : words, I never know exactly WHAT you're going to do. As I said before, I don't : review replays looking at someone's driving style(although maybe I should : start). You may be a solid driver 90-95% of the time, I don't know. It just : seems that every time you're nearby, it ends badly for me. And recently, we've : been nearby on track a lot. I end up near Jan a lot as well for some reason. : But, I've raced closely with Jan for at least the past 2 years or so, so : there's more of a trust(and therefore confidence) factor built up. : : Eldred : -- : Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my : homepage) : Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett : : Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oh yeah, and you have yourself all in a huff because you misread my original post. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : In article <[email hidden]>, "mcwhom" : <[email hidden]> writes: : :

"mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Whatever dude, I held a steady line lap after lap of that race. I passed > you and you passed me several times. are you mcfadds? if so I also was a little nervous around you, if i'm thinking of the same person. I just looked at the roster page and see a different car than what i saw in the race, so who knows. It seemed it may have been a lot of warp because the car seemed pretty unstable.

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zJ5Oa.60213$[email hidden]... > > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Whatever dude, I held a steady line lap after lap of that race. Ipassed > > you and you passed me several times. > > are you mcfadds? if so I also was a little nervous around you, if i'm > thinking of the same person. I just looked at the roster page and see a > different car than what i saw in the race, so who knows. It seemed it may > have been a lot of warp because the car seemed pretty unstable. I just downloaded the replay and looked at your car, for some reason all the orange from your car is missing. I thought you had some beer sponsor, but we are both driving NFL cars :-o Im gonna redownload your car and see whats up

I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone.

Yikes, that sucks! Take care and speedy recovery. Tim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

"John Simmons"said: > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. OH Crap! John, I wish you a speedy recovery - and pray that no 'permanent' damage is done. Take care bud! -- ed_

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0S5Oa.60297$[email hidden]... : : "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:zJ5Oa.60213$[email hidden]... : > : > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:[email hidden]... : > > Whatever dude, I held a steady line lap after lap of that race. I : passed : > > you and you passed me several times. : > : > are you mcfadds? if so I also was a little nervous around you, if i'm : > thinking of the same person. I just looked at the roster page and see a : > different car than what i saw in the race, so who knows. It seemed it may : > have been a lot of warp because the car seemed pretty unstable. : : I just downloaded the replay and looked at your car, for some reason all the : orange from your car is missing. I thought you had some beer sponsor, but we : are both driving NFL cars :-o : : Im gonna redownload your car and see whats up : : really? I drafted with you for several laps in several sessions leading up to this race. I even stole your driving line. Read your post before the practice race about finding the speed in the corners. Ended up behind you in practice before the practice race and tucked in behind. Took a couple of laps till I figured out you were going into three in about the middle, between the grooves and then going down low into four and out into the dogleg. Not only was that faster but really helps with the loose off of four in the fast setup :-) Watch me in the race, I bet you my line looks familiar , hehe, thanks for the fast driving line. -- McWhom -----------------------------------------------------------------

The lead pack wasnt having any passing troubles that I saw or was aware of and I was actually in the lead pack for most of the race. I dont remember you being around us much. When racing for the lead at Tona you have to expect 3 wide at any time any place. I would say you need to experience some "lead pack" before you can comment ;) "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >My comment on passing was intended for the lead pack drivers. > > -- > McWhom > -----------------------------------------------------------------

That is sad news John. I wish for you a speedy recovery. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 : because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed : tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. :

Geek+Powertool=Hospital ;) And no, vibrators arent considered powertools John, hehe. Get well soon! Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

Geek+Powertool=Hospital ;) And no, ***s arent considered powertools John, hehe. Get well soon! Mitch

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> That is sad news John. I wish for you a speedy recovery. > > -- > McWhom > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >: I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 >: because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed >: tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >:

Tis a sad sad day when a respected foul-mouthed competitor has to make phony excuses about not being able drive.... unfortunately, this doesn't sound like an excuse...take care...be well... make sure everything gets put back where it belongs.... dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote: > Severed tendons to all but index finger and thumb, > and nicked the bone. Good news that the index finger & thumb are ok, they're the most important ones! But don't be surprised if it's much longer than 4 or 5 races before you're able to use that hand for much. Good luck John. Andrew McP

I would say you did not read my posts. Listen, this is getting rediculous. Mitch, if you watch the replay you may understand the posts. The lead pack only passed me once, I was as high as I could be on the track and TWO cars moved up into me and ran me into the wall. I am really sick of this treatment. Drop this thread now and I will drop my membership in RASCAR. I have more fun on Papy servers for god's sake. I have done plenty of three wide racing online, in the lead pack and not had too much trouble with it. I have one hell of a lot more trouble in RASCAR races. Later, -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Jm6Oa.1065$[email hidden]... : The lead pack wasnt having any passing troubles that I saw or was aware of : and I was actually in the lead pack for most of the race. I dont remember : you being around us much. When racing for the lead at Tona you have to : expect 3 wide at any time any place. I would say you need to experience : some "lead pack" before you can comment ;) : : : : "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : : >My comment on passing was intended for the lead pack drivers. : > : > -- : > McWhom : > ----------------------------------------------------------------- : :

Sorry to hear it John. Hope it works out well. That must have been quite an angle! Dan >I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 >because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed >tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone.

:-( Hope it heals soon. Pete "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

John Simmons wrote: > > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. OUCH !!! Hopefully no permanent damage is done Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> "John Simmons"said: > > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. > > OH Crap! > > John, I wish you a speedy recovery - and pray that no 'permanent' damage is > done. > > Take care bud! > > -- > ed_ > > >

The doctors are pretty sure I should get 100% use back, but it'll take anywhere from 6 - 9 months. I tend to heal pretty quick, so I'm hoping for the lower number. :) As you've probably guessed, you and Eldred are gonna have to take over membership patrol until i'm a bit further down this road. Surprisingly, I haven't had much pain at all, but I've got a five- pound plaster cast on that arm, and sometimes it's difficult to find a comfortable position for it.

Oh crap, that sucks John. Hope everything heals ok. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:12:53 -0400, grub wrote: > mcwhom, > try top posting so that we dont have to reread all the previous post to get > to your goodies. Courtesy means only quoting those parts of the posting you're replying to and *refraining* from top-posting, but I won't repeat that here. Er, now, did I? We have enough TOFU's in this group already! ;-) Cheers, uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 03:33:43 GMT, John Simmons wrote: > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed Uargh! All the best & get well soon! Uwe -- mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 >because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed >tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. > Ouch! Sorry to hear that, man... I hope you heal up ok, with no permanent damage. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> writes: >Oh yeah, and you have yourself all in a huff because you misread my original >post. > "In a huff"? You don't know me very well, do you? You even admitted that your original message had an attitude. Then you asked me a question, which I answered honestly. I didn't say that I would *always* feel uncomfortable driving around you, only that I do now. Do you even bother to read what I say, or do you just stay on the defensive because others have questioned your driving in the past? We haven't thrown anybody out over driving skill, or even personality conflicts. I have no intention of making you the first. Just drive safely, have fun, and we'll all get along. Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"mcwhom" wrote... > Whatever dude, I held a steady line lap after lap of that race. > I passed you and you passed me several times. Don't mind Eldred... nice guy, good driver, he just worries too much. Jan. =---

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> > <snip> > I said I was done with this discussion, but I'll answer your > question. > Bluntly, it's a lack of confidence in your ability to hold a > line. In other words, I never know exactly WHAT you're going > to do. As I said before, I don't review replays looking at > someone's driving style(although maybe I should start). You > may be a solid driver 90-95% of the time, I don't know. It > just seems that every time you're nearby, it ends badly for me. > And recently, we've been nearby on track a lot.

Eldred, you are overreacting. You're projecting your own lack of confidence onto Sean. You can't know exactly what someone is going to do on a race track. You can get a feel for it due to experience, but you can't *KNOW*. If I gave you a hypothetical situation involving you and me you couldn't *reason* out how it would play out. If you go into racing situations with conscious preconceptions of what is going to happen you are going to be late responding to them even if it plays out as you thought you would (because you're second guessing yourself). I.e. it ends badly for you. Quit worrying about what is going to happen and just respond to what does happen. Cut the conscious mind out of the loop. Have the *CONFIDENCE* to trust yourself as a racer. > I end up near Jan a lot as well for some reason. > But, I've raced closely with Jan for at least the past 2 years > or so, so there's more of a trust (and therefore confidence) > factor built up. I trust you too and I trust myself around you. I am more wary around Sean because my gut feeling about him isn't fully developed yet, but I trust him to be in the races. Jan. =---

"mcwhom" wrote... > <snip> > Drop this thread now and I will drop my membership in RASCAR. > I have more fun on Papy servers for god's sake. I have done > plenty of three wide racing online, in the lead pack and not > had too much trouble with it. I have one hell of a lot more > trouble in RASCAR races. Easy now... no need to get into seperation mode. People are just trying to teach you to swim by dropping you in at the deep end. Everbody coming in going to have some trouble getting used to the others. While it's true some word their concerns better than others, no one wants to get rid of you. Let's take a step back and look at recent events. I've just finished a draft incident review for PMP (which I will post to the forum later); your number crops up 3 times but is not really implicated, so although that was a difficult race for you (with the loose condition), it went rather well. Daytona and the two incidents involving you, me and Eldred... Well, as I recall, in the one where Uwe was leading our little draft you were high and Uwe, because of the odd line he drives, went even higher and dinged the wall, me and Eldred went low. Not your fault. When Dan came upon you in the middle of the track I think he misjudged your speed and had to lift and go high. This effectively locked you in the middle because I didn't want to lift and therefore went the other way. Bit of a hairy one, but it's hardly fair to blame you for it. Just my 2 cents. As for getting jammed up into the wall and generally used as a ping pong ball.... sometimes it does seem like one can't buy a break in these races. It's just a matter of riding out these rough patches. Jan. =---

"Jan Verschueren" > > Quit worrying about what is going to happen and just respond to what > does happen. Cut the conscious mind out of the loop. Have the > *CONFIDENCE* to trust yourself as a racer. > BUt Obi-Wan, how can I see the turns with the Blast-Shield down? dh

"Jan Verschueren" BUt Obi-Wan, how can I see the turns with the Blast-Shield down? dh

"John Simmons" wrote... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the > next4 or 5 because I cut my arm with a miter saw on > Saturday morning. Severed tendons to all but index > finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. Oh boy... get well soon. I was joking at the race that your watercooled rig might have chucked a hose and you were paling it out. I do apologise. I feel bad about that now. Jan. =---

"Dave Henrie" wrote... > > <snip> > BUt Obi-Wan, how can I see the turns with the > Blast-Shield down? Use the force Dave! ;-) Seriously, it's that kind of discours that earned me the nickname Obi-Jan in my league. Jan. =---

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> Courtesy means only quoting those parts of the posting you're > replying to and *refraining* from top-posting, but I won't repeat > that here. Er, now, did I? We have enough TOFU's in this group > already! ;-) > > Cheers, > > uwe

A good program for OE users can be found here http://flash.to/oe-quotefix/ , not that I'd dare tell someone where they should reply to my message ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

And I thought I was being quite neutral in my reply ;) Personally I dont take real kindly to a rook telling me how I should or shouldnt drive. Turn a couple hundred-thousand laps then you can tell me something :-) I did watch the replay Sean but you were blinkin pretty bad so its pretty rough to see where anything happened. I wont deny something did happened but Ive seen at least a few times you had a problem with the lead pack (in my mind based on what Ive seen its your prob, but hey thats me). Maybe be more specific so as not to offend everyone in the lead pack. This was by far the best SS race Ive been in here in RASCAR (and not cause I won either). Quite a bit of give and take no suicide moves that I saw. One other consideration is the guy up top is *VERY* susceptible to warp. During practice I was on the bottom line passing Ian and he just shot up the track abruptly. I didnt feel anything but I knew it was a warp. Thankfully during practice. I hope this didnt contribute to Ian's departure :-( Point is don't start pointing fingers, take your lumps and go next week ;) I doubt very much it was intentional as both cars would stand a good chance of a wreck and if Im in the lead pack its not worth giving up a chance at the win just to "run you into the wall". Mitch "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I would say you did not read my posts. Listen, this is gettingrediculous. > Mitch, if you watch the replay you may understand the posts. The leadpack > only passed me once, I was as high as I could be on the track and TWO cars > moved up into me and ran me into the wall. I am really sick of this > treatment. > Drop this thread now and I will drop my membership in RASCAR. I have more > fun on Papy servers for god's sake. I have done plenty of three wideracing

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> online, in the lead pack and not had too much trouble with it. I have one > hell of a lot more trouble in RASCAR races. > > Later, > > -- > McWhom > -----------------------------------------------------------------

:-( David G Fisher "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

I think this was the infamous "Give Dave His Lap Back" maneuver :) While I have absolutely no problem with Dave getting his Lap back (it was a system glitch), the way we did it could have been smoother. I didn't understand what we were doing either, and almost ran over 10 people when the green went. -Larry "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 isCENTRAL...not > EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in timeto > get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, Ithink. > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pits atevery > yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with > Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more lapsand > yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREENGREEN > and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid him.BLACK > FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are > showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars. Istill > dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? I slowdown, > letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on. Ipull > the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...forpetes > sake. > > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. Ended up getting > caught up in someone elses accident, no big deal, and had to retire. Justwish > I could have been racing for position for a while longer. > > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks guys. > > Michael

That's the problem i have. Even under caution and for the simplest message, my car ends up in the infield somewhere and the message is all garbled and takes me 5 minutes to peck out. I just can't type and drive at the same time. Brian Oster On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:11:26 +0200, Uwe hoover Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:38:46 GMT, frederickson wrote: >> it said : The poll is entered as a chat message "!poll pole_type player" >> where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car >> number, or the player's name. > >how can you guys chat in-car like this anyways, even under >yellow??? I have a hard time believing you're all steering with >your chin while you type, as I did yesterday. Good thing nobody >entered my room during that time ;-) > >Cheers, > >Uwe

Make that 19 out of 21, Jan :) I didn't catch the slow green part either. -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tSJNa.8072$[email hidden]...

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> "Race1530" wrote... > > Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 > > is CENTRAL...not EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the > > website. I get in just in time to get one lap in qualifying > > and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, I think. > > > > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit > > the pits at every yellow, hoping that a long green run will > > pay off for me. I run with Frederickson and Ed S for a few > > laps and then a yellow. A few more laps and yellow again. > > A third. And then something weird happens. > > > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says > > GREEN GREEN GREEN and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I > > have to drop low to avoid him. BLACK FLAG... grooooaaan... > > but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are showing > > and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing > > cars. I still dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I > > don't know about? I slow down, letting the cars move ahead > > of me and the green lights are STILL on. I pull the the > > pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah... > > for petes sake. > > If you had in-car chat turned on (and I think the site says you should),

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> might have noticed we agreed to take a "slow green" (i.e. race goes green > but everyone stays at pace speed) to allow David G. Fisher, who'd > disconnected out of the lead, back on the lead lap. > > What you should have done, after this mistake and getting the BF, is blow > past everybody so as to stay on the lead lap when serving the penalty > (stating bogus BF in chat). > > > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. > > Ended up getting caught up in someone elses accident, no > > big deal, and had to retire. > > If you'd moved low as I intended you to, you might have made it passed

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> one. Do not force a lead lap car to take a certain line around you. Comply > to his/her intentions, either verbal or "car body language", instead. I > clearly lined up to pass you high, only to have you be polite and move up > "out of the way", thereby baulking me and leaving me unsighted as to what > was happening ahead. If in doubt, go low... do not block the escape route. > > > > Just wish I could have been racing for position for a while > > longer. > > 20 out of 21 drivers at the time realised what was going on.... sorry. > > > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks > > guys. > > Yeah, best superspeedway race yet, I reckon. > > Jan. > =--- > >

Fred, That's what I thought was happening too. I thought they just asked for a vote on it, then the boss was gonna give it back. I didn't see anything about a slow green, but luckily I realized it before getting into trouble. -Larry "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fUMNa.38349$[email hidden]...

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> for starters i forgot to save the replay for myself.... so im just goin on > memory > > > You should have been able to look up the track and see what was directly > in > > front of me and realized my full attention was not on the rear view > mirror. I > > went high with the accident because he (Frederickson?) had hit the wall > and I > > fully expected him to washout down the track. Certainly my

misjudgement. > > Is that a compliment... almost? ;-) > > > As far as everyone going on a slow green lap to help out DF...I musthave > > missed the very first part of the conversation. I thought thediscussion > was > > on giving a lap back. In general. Of couse, in general, I have been > known to > > be and idiot! And certainly got what I deserved :))) > > I read the chat and honestly i didnt know that was gonna happen either,but > i got the idea after (quite) a few seconds. I thought one of the bosseswas

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> gonna clear the lap down with the server command, not actually the old > fashioned redneck way. ;-) > > > Still, thouroughly enjoyed the run. > > Yea it was a fun race. :*D > > >

You too, Uwe :) -Larry "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi folks, > > I very much enjoyed last night's race. Sorry again to Neil_C > for crashing into him with five or six laps to go. It was my > best RASCAR performance to date, and simply got too nervous in > this tight pack of cars. Sorry mate! > > I noticed quite a bit of warping, esp. from T(im?) Pau(l)lin and > Jan... while tim was warping consistently, Jan only warped when > getting close to him, quite strange. > > It was great fun drafting with Steve, DGF and Larry for endless > laps... we nearly showed'em, boys ;-) > > Cheers, > > uwe > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Sean, I wanted to let you know why we passed you when we were in that 3/4 car draft... We were trying to get caught up, and we tried to let you stay up front for several laps, but... When you were entering the corners, you were drifting up towards the center and then back down again. That was killing the draft speed. We really had no choice but to go around you. We hadda go! :) You can do that if you are at the rear of the draft line, but not at the front. It kills _everyone's_ speed if the lead draft car is doing that. In fact, there is an _advantage_ to doing that under certain circumstances. That's a secret though :) But never when you're the lead car. Just wanted to let you know so you didn't think I was a meany :) -Larry "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : Oh, by the way - > : Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a high or > low > : line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle of the > road' > : method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... > : I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you put > me > : into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. > : > : Eldred > : -- > : Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on > my > : homepage) > : Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > : > : Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > Eldred, > > We were near each other on the track quite a bit yesterday. I thought

I > had done pretty well, especially considering my car had been used as awall > buffer by several cars as the pack past me on two separate occasions. Ido > always take the highline when being overtaken, though as I have saidbefore, > i do make mistakes, I am new to this. You experienced drivers might wantto > consider the cars on the outside when passing, I managed to stay on thelead > lap and quite racey till very near the end of the race. When the pack did > catch me and pass, my day was basically ended by lead pack cars bouncingme > off the wall as they passed, it is really a very wide track and there isno > reason to be that close to the outside wall passing traffic in the dogleg. > Save the passes for clean areas on the track. I have been bitched out for > not paying attention to cars approaching and to use the F2+space combo, I > think that same applies to cars that are overtaking, please, please take > care to leave enough room on your outside to get past. I think most ofthe > drivers here could do well to remember that lifting is not a bad thing,and > that getting in line to pass traffic is much safer than continueing tofight > for a position at the risk of the rest of the field. > As for what I did after the damage. I reviewed my replay and found on > the restart on lap 72, that eldred and bfarmer (sorry, not sure of your > given name) were behind me, by several car lengths. I passed coorzman low > on the back stretch, moved high for my entry into the corner and then down > to the bottom around three into four. At this point (entry) Eldred youwere > in my rearview mirror running into the highline but I had plenty of roomto > move up as I exited four. I was running almost 180 and you were notgaining

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> on me much at all at that point, still, as I went toward the wall on my > exit, you did scrap the wall and when you came off the wall continued on > down into the side of the 15 bfarmer car. I was simply running my line > ahead of you and you were clearly in my rearview mirror the whole time. I > had no expectations at that point that you were passing me. I did not see > the incident you refer to but I remember being around your group on the > previous restart and slowing then accelerating past all three of you as

you > all seemed to have a very slow restart. I felt up to the point my aerowas > ruined that I was every bit as fast as you guys and was racing all of you > for position. I will stand by the "rule" (?) that I am under noobligation > to move over and allow a pass for position. > Sorry to be so wordy here but I think I will need specific evidencethat > I did something wrong here. I am very happy with the way I raced and myday > was ended by the actions of others and not through my own mistakes as has > been the case in the past. I am very capable of racing the high and low > lines at Daytona, I am able to change lines to avoid traffic and wreckseven > in the middle of corners without spinning or "losing it". I had no aids > turned on (autoclutch=on) and do not need aids at this track. > Having said all that, I did make a big mistake and need to apologizeto > the 162 car(?). On one restart I had a pretty good head of steam up andthe > cars ahead of me were a good bit slower, I dove low (wrong way) slowingfast > on the brakes but was going below the yellow line, I tried to stay aboveit > but the 162 was coming down as well to avoid a car outside and we touched, > my right front to his left rear, spinning him and he went off my front end > into the infield. Sorry bout that. On another restart Eldred was aheadof > me and slowed suddenly, I don't recall why but I shot down again ( gotta > learn to move up the track) and was black flagged for passing on theinside > on a restart. I feel that was a move to avoid an accident and I shouldnot > have been black flagged, but I did pass to the inside. got lucky andserved

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> it right before another yellow so did not lose a lap on the stop and go, > barely. :-) > > > > -- > McWhom > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

Sean, Actually, I tolerated it for 12 laps :) I was half off the gas a lot of the time. I wanted to give you the chance to stay at the lead of the pack, but we eventually had to go around. The little push-ups in the corners was killing the lines draft speed. The lead car in a draft line really, really must run a clean, consistent corner entry and exit or it kills the lines speed. -Larry "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Bamadano" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : >: Oh, by the way - > : >: Sean, when you're off the pace you really need to pick either a highor > : >low > : >: line. When Dan, Jan and I caught you near the end, your 'middle ofthe

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> : >road' > : >: method nearly caused a 4-car pileup... > : >: I also had two other occasions where taking avoiding actions for you > put > : >me > : >: into the outside wall. Please try to do better... Thanks. > : >: > : >: Eldred > : > : Well I didn't save the replay so I'm not sure who it was but just after

I > : managed to pass Eldred and Jan I came up on a car that was WAY off the > pace in > : turn 2-3. I first started low and the slower car started down so Istarted > : up...so did slower car..so I ended up in the wall whick of course let > Eldred > : and Jan fly back by. This has to be the incident that Eldred isreferring

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> to. > : *IF* it was you Sean...I sure couldn't figure out which way you were > going. > : Seemed to be undecided. Next time just pick either high or low and the > gaining > : car will get around clean. Two decent races for me for a change...2 > Daytona > : Rascar races in two days...0 incidents! > : As always thanks for hosting Eldred. > : Dan > > That was me, this happened right after I had been pushed into the wall

twice > and was still trying to get my head together and my car back undercontrol. > I am sorry. I think it was lap 61. > I also have to rescind (sp?) my previous assertion that it was not myfault > I was lapped. My misfortune started when the 28 car wrecked. I was far > back with Eldred behind me. slowed a little for the wreck but the track > cleared and I kept going, then the 28 came unglued from the wall and down > the track, right where I had aimed :-( I really didn't have much choiceas > Eldred was going high and my best option was to stay off the gas and pray, > didn't help! I pitted for repairs but I must have had some front end > damage. I Lost it coming out of four after the restart, accross the grass > into the inside wall, back onto the track and off the outside wall. After > that I was way off pace and the lead pack caught me pretty quick, that is > when I was pushed into the wall twice. Now both sides of my car arebanged > up, all the way around really, thanks for setting damage to moderate (:-). > I kept going but was all over the track trying to get my line back, figure > out who was behind me and how damaged I was. there were about 10 prettybad > laps for me there. Overall, I am still pretty happy with my racing. Ikept > the same line throughout most of the race, not high and not low but fast. > Ask Larry, he was behind me for about 12 laps, with another 5 (?) cars > behind him, he kept looking high and low but just could not get besideme, > finally did though. Good Job Larry! Though if you had tucked in behindme

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On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 03:33:43 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 >because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed >tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. Sooooo what you are saying is you still have one good hand left AND a finger and a thumb on the other hand, correct? So whats the problem... see ya next week. Seriously, hope you get better soon. Brian Oster

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:45:19 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Jan Verschueren" >> >> Quit worrying about what is going to happen and just respond to what >> does happen. Cut the conscious mind out of the loop. Have the >> *CONFIDENCE* to trust yourself as a racer. >> > BUt Obi-Wan, how can I see the turns with the Blast-Shield down? > >dh

LOL!!

Three wide, in theory, should not be a problem here or at Dega :) I do try to avoid it at all costs though :) -Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Jm6Oa.1065$[email hidden]...

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> The lead pack wasnt having any passing troubles that I saw or was aware of > and I was actually in the lead pack for most of the race. I dont remember > you being around us much. When racing for the lead at Tona you have to > expect 3 wide at any time any place. I would say you need to experience > some "lead pack" before you can comment ;) > > > > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >My comment on passing was intended for the lead pack drivers. > > > > -- > > McWhom > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >

You're pole in the practice race cost me a front row start at the Saturday race, dammit :) You just barely edged me out on Friday, so I pushed a little harder on Saturday during qual. On my throw-away Lap, I went just a _bit_ too high in turn 1 and damned if the flypaper didn't reach out and snag my butt. Of course that was it for my qual time. I ended up starting around 18th. I don't think I've qualed out of the top 5 at a SS race with NR2003 ever until Saturday. And the battle began, and it didn't go well. I was happy with 8th when it was all over :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, that was for me since my electricity went out for a moment due to a > storm passing through. Ended up happeneing again a little later on. Thanks > to all of you for the consideration. > > I was on pole (had pole the night before in the practice race too) andfelt

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> strong during the race, but unfortunately for the second race in a row I > finished up weak. Just couldn't make up those laps. > > :-( > > It was a good race though. Much, much better than our previous SS races. > > David G Fisher > > "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 is > CENTRAL...not > > EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in

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> to > > get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad, I > think. > > > > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pits at > every > > yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with > > Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more

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> and > > yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. > > > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREEN > GREEN > > and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid him. > BLACK > > FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are > > showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars. I > still > > dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? I slow > down, > > letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on. I > pull > > the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...for > petes > > sake. > > > > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. Ended up

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> wish > > I could have been racing for position for a while longer. > > > > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks guys. > > > > Michael > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ikOa.11818$[email hidden]...

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> Sean, > > I wanted to let you know why we passed you when we were in that 3/4 car > draft... > > We were trying to get caught up, and we tried to let you stay up front for > several laps, but... > > When you were entering the corners, you were drifting up towards the

center > and then back down again. That was killing the draft speed. We reallyhad > no choice but to go around you. We hadda go! :) > > You can do that if you are at the rear of the draft line, but not at the > front. It kills _everyone's_ speed if the lead draft car is doing that. Well, if he was doing it right, and you followed his line, then I think all of you could have gone faster.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%nkOa.11821$[email hidden]... > Three wide, in theory, should not be a problem here or at Dega :) > > I do try to avoid it at all costs though :) > > -Larry It can work at Dega but not Daytona, its too narrow.

Ditto, for sure! -Larry "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f08efc1$[email hidden]... > OH Crap! > > John, I wish you a speedy recovery - and pray that no 'permanent' damageis

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> done. > > Take care bud! > > -- > ed_ > >

John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MPG.1972a6281a609058989979@news- server.satx.rr.com: > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. > Sounds ugly John, take care and get well soon. Jerry

server.satx.rr.com: Sounds ugly John, take care and get well soon. Jerry

Oh man, I got the giggles thinking about what Uwe said, I could see the look on someone's face, as they walked in on him... I picture Uwe doing what I have done over the years... no I have yet to make it to a Lan party to see how everyone else does it.... but you know, nowdays I got my FF wheel, and I shut off FF, during cautions and the car will track straight and hold a line pretty well... One of the niceties of FF (MS types anyway) wheels... and as you can see, even though Im not typiing over a wheel right now, I still have probs typing out stuff ... LOL "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:38:46 GMT, frederickson wrote: > > it said : The poll is entered as a chat message "!poll pole_type player" > > where player can either be the "#" symbol along with the player's car > > number, or the player's name. > > how can you guys chat in-car like this anyways, even under > yellow??? I have a hard time believing you're all steering with > your chin while you type, as I did yesterday. Good thing nobody > entered my room during that time ;-) > > Cheers, > > Uwe > > > > -- > mail replies to Uwe at schuerkamp dot de ( yahoo address is spambox) > Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

LOL. I am sure you have had what happened explained too you by now, but damn this post cracked me up. I know there are the admin console commands to take care of these things, but I am doing good to steer and work the pedals let alone type in a bunch of cryptic console commands. Brian Oster On 05 Jul 2003 23:55:27 GMT, [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: <snip>

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>The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pits at every >yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with >Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more laps and >yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. > >We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREEN GREEN >and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid him. BLACK >FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lights are >showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars. I still >dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? I slow down, >letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on. I pull >the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...for petes >sake. >

Psyched you out the night before. All part of my grand plan. :-) To be honest, I never expected either of those poles. At the SS courses, it always seems like you can do a perfect lap and still end up anywhere from 1st to10th. David G Fisher "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dUkOa.11827$[email hidden]... > You're pole in the practice race cost me a front row start at the Saturday > race, dammit :) > > You just barely edged me out on Friday, so I pushed a little harder on > Saturday during qual. On my throw-away Lap, I went just a _bit_ too highin > turn 1 and damned if the flypaper didn't reach out and snag my butt. Of > course that was it for my qual time. > > I ended up starting around 18th. I don't think I've qualed out of the top5

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> at a SS race with NR2003 ever until Saturday. > > And the battle began, and it didn't go well. I was happy with 8th when it > was all over :) > > -Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, that was for me since my electricity went out for a moment due to a > > storm passing through. Ended up happeneing again a little later on.

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> > to all of you for the consideration. > > > > I was on pole (had pole the night before in the practice race too) and > felt > > strong during the race, but unfortunately for the second race in a row I > > finished up weak. Just couldn't make up those laps. > > > > :-( > > > > It was a good race though. Much, much better than our previous SS races. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Well, I finally have a Saturday off and I end up thinking 4:00 is > > CENTRAL...not > > > EASTERN like it is plainly printed on the website. I get in just in > time > > to > > > get one lap in qualifying and am at the back of the pack. Not so bad,

I > > think. > > > > > > > > > The plan is to sit in the back, avoid the accidents and hit the pitsat

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> > every > > > yellow, hoping that a long green run will pay off for me. I run with > > > Frederickson and Ed S for a few laps and then a yellow. A few more > laps > > and > > > yellow again. A third. And then something weird happens. > > > > > > We are coming to the start finish line and my spotter says GREEN GREEN > > GREEN > > > and i go. Frederickson isnt moving and I have to drop low to avoid

him. > > BLACK > > > FLAG... grooooaaan...but wait. Something isn't right. Green lightsare > > > showing and no one is moving. Even as I slow, I'm still passing cars.I > > still > > > dont know what was going on. Is this a bug I don't know about? Islow > > down, > > > letting the cars move ahead of me and the green lights are STILL on.I

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> > pull > > > the the pits while everyone else starts to race. LAP DOWN. Ah...for > > petes > > > sake. > > > > > > Of course there is now a long green run and I'm screwed. Ended up > getting > > > caught up in someone elses accident, no big deal, and had to retire. > Just > > wish > > > I could have been racing for position for a while longer. > > > > > > I look forward to running a few more as work permits. Thanks guys. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > >

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> Psyched you out the night before. All part of my > grand plan. :-) > > To be honest, I never expected either of those > poles. At the SS courses, it always seems like > you can do a perfect lap and still end up anywhere > from 1st to 10th.

You're right... there seems to be a fairly random element to it. Imagine my surprise at being 7th... I didn't really bother as, as a driver, there seems to be nothing one can do to get a good lap. Just drive it around pedal to the metal twice and that's it. Got an inside line spot and the field stretched out pretty good at the start, so I got away with it. Kept my nose clean and some people around to draft with and drove home a top 10. My first at a SuperSpeedway. Well chuffed with that. Jan. =---

>>LOL. I am sure you have had what happened explained too you by now,but damn this post cracked me up.. Brian Oster>> Brian I am glad to be of some use to the rest of the RASCAR guys....:))))))) Mike

get well soon huckleberry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. >

Is it your , you know, your "primary" arm or your other arm. The thought of it gives me shudders. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <3f08efc1$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > "John Simmons"said: > > > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the next4 or 5 > > > because I cut my arm with a miter saw on Saturday morning. Severed > > > tendons to all but index finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. > > > > OH Crap! > > > > John, I wish you a speedy recovery - and pray that no 'permanent'

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> > done. > > > > Take care bud! > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > > > > The doctors are pretty sure I should get 100% use back, but it'll > take anywhere from 6 - 9 months. I tend to heal pretty quick, so I'm > hoping for the lower number. :) > > As you've probably guessed, you and Eldred are gonna have to take > over membership patrol until i'm a bit further down this road. > > Surprisingly, I haven't had much pain at all, but I've got a five- > pound plaster cast on that arm, and sometimes it's difficult to find > a comfortable position for it.

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> One other consideration is the guy up top is *VERY* susceptible to > warp. During practice I was on the bottom line passing Ian and he > just shot up the track abruptly. I didnt feel anything but I knew it > was a warp. Thankfully during practice. I hope this didnt > contribute to Ian's departure :-( > > Point is don't start pointing fingers, take your lumps and go next > week ;) I doubt very much it was intentional as both cars would stand > a good chance of a wreck and if Im in the lead pack its not worth > giving up a chance at the win just to "run you into the wall". > > Mitch

Absolutely no issues with you at all Mitch. Perfectly clean and no contact occured. The issue at the time was elsewhere, but on looking at the replay it was at best 50/50. Basically, another car had gone low as I was entering the turn and was slightly alongside me, my spotter didn't say anything until there was contact, by which time it was too late. In the heat of the moment I just got mad, stresses of real life got in the way of rational thought. So please all accept my apologies for my conduct before I left the race. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers>

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> <snip> > Absolutely no issues with you at all Mitch. Perfectly clean and > no contact occured. > The issue at the time was elsewhere, but on looking at the > replay it was at best 50/50. Basically, another car had gone low > as I was entering the turn and was slightly alongside me, my > spotter didn't say anything until there was contact, by which > time it was too late. > In the heat of the moment I just got mad, stresses of real life > got in the way of rational thought. So please all accept my > apologies for my conduct before I left the race.

No problem... I can assure you the mood at the time was "classic online race fit, he'll come 'round". ;-) Jan. =---

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Is it your , you know, your "primary" arm or your other arm. > The thought of it gives me shudders. > > nope, not the primary arm - the monkey is still very much in danger.

all is not lost then.... "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Is it your , you know, your "primary" arm or your other arm. > > The thought of it gives me shudders. > > > > > > > nope, not the primary arm - the monkey is still very much in danger.

Thank you Jan. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HveOa.10501$[email hidden]... : "EldredP" wrote... : > > <snip> <snip>

Jan, I got a chuckle out of your joke and I don't think any of us imagined such a tragic event had occured for John. Again I wish John a speedy and pain free recovery. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4TeOa.10516$[email hidden]... : "John Simmons" wrote... : > I couldn't make the race and won't be able to make the : > next4 or 5 because I cut my arm with a miter saw on : > Saturday morning. Severed tendons to all but index : > finger and thumb, and nicked the bone. : : Oh boy... get well soon. : : I was joking at the race that your watercooled rig might have chucked a hose : and you were paling it out. I do apologise. I feel bad about that now. : : Jan. : =--- : :

In article <HveOa.10501$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >I am more wary around Sean >because my gut feeling about him isn't fully developed yet, but I trust him >to be in the races. Which is basically what I said. I don't feel that I'm projecting *anything* towards Sean. If so, why don't I do it towards anyone else? Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No. Trust me, no :) -Larry "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rUkOa.67342$[email hidden]... > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ikOa.11818$[email hidden]... > Well, if he was doing it right, and you followed his line, then I thinkall > of you could have gone faster. > >

Entirely true, especially online :) -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Psyched you out the night before. All part of my grand plan. :-) > > To be honest, I never expected either of those poles. At the SS courses,it > always seems like you can do a perfect lap and still end up anywhere from > 1st to10th. > > David G Fisher

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Which is basically what I said. I don't feel that I'm > projecting *anything* towards Sean. If so, why don't > I do it towards anyone else? You said "I don't trust Sean", while in fact you're not confident you can read his intentions correctly. That's like saying it's his fault you don't feel confident, i.e. projection. Anyway... don't expect the expected or the unexpected. If you do and something happens, it surprises/scares you. If you don't it merely registers. Same principle as horror movies, without the build-ups they use, the things you see would be a lot less scary. Jan. =---

There ya go getting all psychopathic, err psycodelic, errr psycological on us Jan :) "Jan Verschueren" > You said "I don't trust Sean", while in fact you're not confident you can > read his intentions correctly. That's like saying it's his fault you don't > feel confident, i.e. projection. > > Anyway... don't expect the expected or the unexpected. If you do and > something happens, it surprises/scares you. If you don't it merely > registers. Same principle as horror movies, without the build-ups theyuse,

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> the things you see would be a lot less scary. > > Jan. > =--- > > >

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:10:56 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> Is it your , you know, your "primary" arm or your other arm. >> The thought of it gives me shudders. >> >> > > >nope, not the primary arm - the monkey is still very much in danger.

LMAO!!!

You guys did notice that I took that provisional on purpose - right..? :o) <vbg!> -- ed_

"Mitch Wing (PlowBoy)"said: > > but you know, nowdays I got my FF wheel, and I shut off FF, duringcautions > and the car will track straight and hold a line pretty well... One of the > niceties of FF (MS types anyway) wheels... Hey, thats a nice tips.... Thank! -- ed_

"Mitch Wing (PlowBoy)"said: Hey, thats a nice tips.... Thank! -- ed_

In article <5eDOa.11893$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >You said "I don't trust Sean", while in fact you're not confident you can >read his intentions correctly. That's like saying it's his fault you don't >feel confident, i.e. projection. My response was "a lack of confidence in your ability to hold a line", or words to that effect. That was referring to his driving. It has absolutely nothing to do with feelings about my *own* skills. Anything else is unfounded inferrence on your part... If I'm uncomfortable at a track, I admit it. Have you ever known me NOT to? Hell, I've even stayed out of races on purpose, so as not to screw it up for other drivers. At Daytona, I'm a pretty damn GOOD driver, thank you. Besides, at least a couple of other people(including you) have also mentioned being wary around Sean. But I'm the only one who's projecting...?<shrug> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The only reason I knew what was going on is because we did it once before last year. Truth be told I think in the future I would almost just rather have people that disco race to get their lap back. In our situation on Sunday Dave would have started up towards the front and if the yellow came out, I am sure that who ever the leaders were at the time would have let him get the lap back. I think this would just cut down on any potential confusion in the future. Our spirit was in the right place... I guess we can just view a disco/reconnect as the equivalent of a cut tire. Brian Oster On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:44:34 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I think this was the infamous "Give Dave His Lap Back" maneuver :) > >While I have absolutely no problem with Dave getting his Lap back (it was a >system glitch), the way we did it could have been smoother. I didn't >understand what we were doing either, and almost ran over 10 people when the >green went. > >-Larry >