F1C: Much Better Now, But...

Followed some of the suggestions around here and my F1C experience is going much more smoothly now. Definitely starting to like it better than F1 2002, but, I have to say there really is a problem with the front wheels coming off the ground, and it is not just graphical. You can see it in the telemetry, if you look at the "wheel sliding" screen you can see exactly where the wheels stop spinning. It probably shows up in the suspension deflection screen too but I couldn't remember what sign convention they were using so I didn't look at it. Point being either the setups are wrong or the suspension file is wrong or the hdv file is wrong, because in the real cars the fronts don't come up quite that easily. OTOH everything else feels so good now that I just played the damn thing for three hours straight without realizing how much time had passed. If you haven't tried it yet, set "look ahead" and "head movement" to 100%. These two effects feel so incredibly natural and convey so much more information I can't figure out how I ever got along without them. Now I can actually see the apex from the turn-in point even on tight hairpins like the Mercedes section at Nurburgring. Now I can sight my line into those fast sweepers a fraction of a second sooner, enough to give me much more control. Fantastic effects, should be required in all driving games.

I thought it would be really cool having look ahead and head movement - just like GPL! ....but for some reason, I can't really tell how the car's behaving with them enabled so I've disabled them now. :-/

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:53 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Definitely starting to like it better than F1 2002, >but, I have to say there really is a problem with the front wheels coming >off the ground, and it is not just graphical. Which tracks/corners are you seeing this happening at? Jason

where did u do this? in game or ? Staf "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:be0eih$11n4bn$[email hidden]... > I thought it would be really cool having look ahead and head movement -just > like GPL! ....but for some reason, I can't really tell how the car's > behaving with them enabled so I've disabled them now. :-/ > > >

It was buried somewhere in the controller menu I think. Maybe the digital controller settings? "staf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3f044500$0$[email hidden]... > where did u do this? > in game or ? > Staf

I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup. Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve. Basically all medium speed curves. "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:53 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Definitely starting to like it better than F1 2002, > >but, I have to say there really is a problem with the front wheels coming > >off the ground, and it is not just graphical. > > Which tracks/corners are you seeing this happening at? > > Jason

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:21:44 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup. >Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve >itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve. Basically all medium speed >curves. I'll check that out. Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks? It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much. Jason

"Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:21:44 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup. > >Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve > >itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve. Basically all medium speed > >curves. > > I'll check that out. Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks? > It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of > anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much. > > Jason

It happens a lot at Nurburg for me, but also at Road America (great track). Thanks for the suggestion by someone here that it could be a slight bit of brakes applied due to bad controller calibration, unfortunately it didn't fix it for me. -Phasor

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> >I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup. > >Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve > >itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve. Basically all medium speed > >curves. > > I'll check that out. Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks? > It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of > anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much.

I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup. Softening the rear bars and dampers generally solves this problem. It happens when the car's weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel. At the monaco hairpin it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use stiff bars at Monaco. It doesn't really affect the car's handling since the inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:02:32 +1000, "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup. Softening the rear >bars and dampers generally solves this problem. It happens when the car's >weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel. At the monaco hairpin >it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use >stiff bars at Monaco. It doesn't really affect the car's handling since the >inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway. That's pretty cool actually, since the cars really do lift the inside front at Monaco. Jason

That's not realistic. Lifting the inside front does happen in real life with a badly set up car (or in dirt track ovals where it is done intentionally), but it's due to the front roll stiffness being much higher than the rear. The inside rear does not support the weight during a turn, the weight shifts to the outside and the stiffer end supports most of the weight. Therefore an overly stiff FRONT end will cause the inside front to lift. That's the whole point of doing that, to unload the rears so you get more traction. If you can get rid of it by softening the rear then something is definitely wrong. Softening the fronts / stiffening the rears should be the way to get rid of it. "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:be2qm3$mqc1$[email hidden]... > > I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup. Softening therear > bars and dampers generally solves this problem. It happens when the car's > weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel. At the monaco hairpin > it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use > stiff bars at Monaco. It doesn't really affect the car's handling sincethe > inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway. > > >

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:43:40 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >That's not realistic. Lifting the inside front does happen in real life >with a badly set up car (or in dirt track ovals where it is done >intentionally), but it's due to the front roll stiffness being much higher >than the rear. It also happens at Mirabeau, but that's due to the elevation change AFAIK. I'm not seeing inside tire lift in the sim still, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm just not pushing hard enough. I'm using a full stiff front bar and a full soft rear bar too. Jason

Or maybe you are just driving more smoothly than we are. ;o) "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I'm not seeing inside tire lift in the sim still, but I'm starting to > wonder if I'm just not pushing hard enough. I'm using a full stiff > front bar and a full soft rear bar too. > > Jason

> > I'm not seeing inside tire lift in the sim still, but I'm starting to > > wonder if I'm just not pushing hard enough. I'm using a full stiff > > front bar and a full soft rear bar too. It might also be a side effect of trail braking deep into the corner? I find I have to come off the brakes earlier in F1C.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:00:05 +1000, "Redmist" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It might also be a side effect of trail braking deep into the corner? I >find I have to come off the brakes earlier in F1C. Maybe. I also am using much less wheel lock now, I knocked it down to 13 and since i'm not adjusting my braking points I have to trailbrake instead of relying on the steering to scrub off speed. Jason