Sony announces Formula One 2003

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/formulaone2003/news_6030084.html Sony announces Formula One 2003 SCEE announces a new F1 game and an exclusive four-year licensing deal with Formula One Administration Ltd. Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has today announced that Formula One 2003 for the PlayStation 2 will be the first game to benefit from the exclusive licensing deal it has signed with Formula One Administration Ltd. Under the terms of the deal, the Formula One franchise will be exclusive to SCEE and to the PlayStation 2 for the next four years. "This four-year exclusive relationship is the basis for a very exciting partnership between the world's leading motorsport and the most successful video game platform on the planet," said Chris Deering, president of SCEE. "Together I believe we will create a totally new consumer game experience that combines the power of the PlayStation 2 with the exhilaration and spectacle of Formula 1, and short of pulling on gloves and a helmet, this is as close to being in the driver's seat as you're going to get." According to today's press release, Formula One 2003 will be the only game to feature up-to-date statistics, driver likenesses, and teams. The game will also incorporate all the new rules that were introduced to the sport this season. Disappointingly, it appears that the game will be single-player-only, but if the AI of the drivers is as good as SCEE is claiming, they should provide a lasting challenge. Formula One 2003 is scheduled for release in Europe next month. We'll bring you more information on the game as soon as it becomes available.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/formulaone2003/news_6030084.html > > and short of pulling > on gloves and a helmet, this is as close to being in the driver's seat > as you're going to get." Gee, I must be jaded, because I've heard corporate spiel before and I just don't believe this verbal diarrhea anymore. > but if the AI of the drivers is as good as SCEE is > claiming, Whatever. > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be proven wrong, but all the crap that is thrown a gamers way is hard to get over. I think I am just apathetic these days, until I see the actual product. -- MRSisson LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

We need to organise a letter to Bernie explaining that *if* this is in fact an exclusive license, his greed just cost him more than he can imagine. I will personally host (with some community help over time I am sure) every free F1 season update, mod., etc. so the whole world can enjoy F1 *computer* racing despite his myopic moronic dealings. We should also make it clear that none of us will buy *anything* from "F1 Inc." until this situation is corrected. He needs to understand this is like Windows vs. Linux...and by going to the ridiculous extreme that he has (makes Microsoft look good), more energy and effort and polish will happen at our end and he'll end up with nothing at the end of the day because the license will no longer be worth anything since the end-result product can be had for free. Who is with me on this? Marc "Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/formulaone2003/news_6030084.html > > Sony announces Formula One 2003 > > SCEE announces a new F1 game and an exclusive four-year licensing deal > with Formula One Administration Ltd. > > Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has today announced that Formula One > 2003 for the PlayStation 2 will be the first game to benefit from the > exclusive licensing deal it has signed with Formula One Administration > Ltd. Under the terms of the deal, the Formula One franchise will be > exclusive to SCEE and to the PlayStation 2 for the next four years. > > "This four-year exclusive relationship is the basis for a very exciting > partnership between the world's leading motorsport and the most > successful video game platform on the planet," said Chris Deering, > president of SCEE. "Together I believe we will create a totally new > consumer game experience that combines the power of the PlayStation 2 > with the exhilaration and spectacle of Formula 1, and short of pulling > on gloves and a helmet, this is as close to being in the driver's seat > as you're going to get." > > According to today's press release, Formula One 2003 will be the only > game to feature up-to-date statistics, driver likenesses, and teams. The > game will also incorporate all the new rules that were introduced to the > sport this season. Disappointingly, it appears that the game will be > single-player-only, but if the AI of the drivers is as good as SCEE is > claiming, they should provide a lasting challenge. Formula One 2003 is > scheduled for release in Europe next month. We'll bring you more > information on the game as soon as it becomes available. >

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> We need to organise a letter to Bernie explaining that *if* this is in fact > an exclusive license, his greed just cost him more than he can imagine. > > I will personally host (with some community help over time I am sure) every > free F1 season update, mod., etc. so the whole world can enjoy F1 *computer* > racing despite his myopic moronic dealings. > > We should also make it clear that none of us will buy *anything* from "F1 > Inc." until this situation is corrected. > > He needs to understand this is like Windows vs. Linux...and by going to the > ridiculous extreme that he has (makes Microsoft look good), more energy and > effort and polish will happen at our end and he'll end up with nothing at > the end of the day because the license will no longer be worth anything > since the end-result product can be had for free. > > Who is with me on this? > > Marc > >

Too little.... Too late, this is already a done deal and no ammount of grass roots pettitioning will change the fact that Bernie got his $$$ from Sony for the EXCLUSIVE rights to F1. :-(

I didn't suggest trying to change it--just to ensure there are consequences and that they are known to Bernie. Isn't that what (consumer) democracy is all about? Marc "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<_eFHa.3863$[email hidden]>... > > We need to organise a letter to Bernie explaining that *if* this is infact > > an exclusive license, his greed just cost him more than he can imagine. > > > > I will personally host (with some community help over time I am sure)every > > free F1 season update, mod., etc. so the whole world can enjoy F1*computer* > > racing despite his myopic moronic dealings. > > > > We should also make it clear that none of us will buy *anything* from"F1 > > Inc." until this situation is corrected. > > > > He needs to understand this is like Windows vs. Linux...and by going tothe > > ridiculous extreme that he has (makes Microsoft look good), more energyand > > effort and polish will happen at our end and he'll end up with nothingat

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> > the end of the day because the license will no longer be worth anything > > since the end-result product can be had for free. > > > > Who is with me on this? > > > > Marc > > > > > > Too little.... Too late, this is already a done deal and no ammount of > grass roots pettitioning will change the fact that Bernie got his $$$ > from Sony for the EXCLUSIVE rights to F1. > > :-(

Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubt that he will even notice. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ddMHa.3548$[email hidden]... > I didn't suggest trying to change it--just to ensure there areconsequences > and that they are known to Bernie. > > Isn't that what (consumer) democracy is all about? > > Marc >

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting >him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be >exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubt that >he will even notice. Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version...

John Harwood > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > You'll most likely see another psygnosis tail gunner thumb driving port for the PS2. Can you say dpad menus? dave henrie

"John Harwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting > >him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be > >exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubtthat > >he will even notice. > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... I think he meant PC royalties from other F1 games (ie. EA's F1 200x). I wonder if this move will mean the end of the F1 series for EA Sports? All of their games boast "if it's in the game, it's in the game" so surely they won't put out a product with no F1 licensing. Of course, most of us won't mind with all of the terrific mods that would come out and make it better anyway, but I'm guessing that EA will drop the franchise.

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> "John Harwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting > > >him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be > > >exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubt > that > > >he will even notice. > > > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > > I think he meant PC royalties from other F1 games (ie. EA's F1 200x). I > wonder if this move will mean the end of the F1 series for EA Sports? All > of their games boast "if it's in the game, it's in the game" so surely they > won't put out a product with no F1 licensing. Of course, most of us won't > mind with all of the terrific mods that would come out and make it better > anyway, but I'm guessing that EA will drop the franchise.

I though EA had already confirmed that F1 Career Challenge (or whatever it's called) was the last F1 game they were doing. -- AG Remove removes from address to remove anti-spam measures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Gauton E-Mail agauton @ postmaster.co.uk Never for me the lowered banner, never the last endeavour! (Damon Hill - 16th June 1999)

>Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... If they don't, then I won't even care about the game. I'm not about to buy a PS2 just for ONE game... Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It wouldn't be worth buying (the PS2 version), anyway. Marc "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > > If they don't, then I won't even care about the game. I'm not about tobuy a > PS2 just for ONE game... > > Eldred > -- > Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info onmy > homepage) > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

They won't. Marc "John Harwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting > >him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be > >exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubtthat > >he will even notice. > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version...

I hope the extra covers it, because unlike the last few years when there have been more F1 sims than even we would want, now there will be none. Marc "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bcok48$kivtb$[email hidden]... > Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting > him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be > exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubtthat

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> he will even notice. > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ddMHa.3548$[email hidden]... > > I didn't suggest trying to change it--just to ensure there are > consequences > > and that they are known to Bernie. > > > > Isn't that what (consumer) democracy is all about? > > > > Marc > > > >

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > "John Harwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are

boycotting > > > >him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payedto be > > > >exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. Idoubt

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> > that > > > >he will even notice. > > > > > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > > > > I think he meant PC royalties from other F1 games (ie. EA's F1 200x). I > > wonder if this move will mean the end of the F1 series for EA Sports?

All > > of their games boast "if it's in the game, it's in the game" so surelythey > > won't put out a product with no F1 licensing. Of course, most of uswon't > > mind with all of the terrific mods that would come out and make itbetter

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> > anyway, but I'm guessing that EA will drop the franchise. > > I though EA had already confirmed that F1 Career Challenge (or whatever > it's called) was the last F1 game they were doing. > > -- > AG

Oh yeah, forgot about that. No more F1 racing for me then :-(

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<8g2Ia.730$%[email hidden]>... > I hope the extra covers it, because unlike the last few years when there > have been more F1 sims than even we would want, now there will be none. > > Marc There is the possibility that someone could easily make a game which is a 'clone' of the cars and tracks and stuff, like Monaco Racing Simulation 2, or whatever. It won't cost them nearly as much to put out a good game without having to fork out for the ludicrous licencing fee. Monaco failed because, without a licence, you've got no mass-market sales appeal (except for the sim community). But with no officially licenced game on the PC to be compared against... Its also possible that, without the F1 licence, EA will turn the ISI team to another type of racing? Cart? Touring Cars? They aren't exactly going to let ISI go to waste, are they? And that wouldn't be a bad thing, either would it? If they did, how long before the sim-community makes a superb F1 mod for it?

They are already busy doing NASCAR Thunder 2004. "Shish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Its also possible that, without the F1 licence, EA will turn the ISI > team to another type of racing? Cart? Touring Cars? They aren't > exactly going to let ISI go to waste, are they? > And that wouldn't be a bad thing, either would it? If they did, how > long before the sim-community makes a superb F1 mod for it?

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<bcr8ua$lmpd1$[email hidden]>... > They are already busy doing NASCAR Thunder 2004. Oh dear...

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > > If they don't, then I won't even care about the game. I'm not about tobuy a > PS2 just for ONE game... So buy one for GT4 *and* Formula One 2003 ;-)

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_eFHa.3863$[email hidden]... > Who is with me on this? Not me. Giving all those F1 licences away gave us GP4 and F1 2002 as the best the PC had to offer. Aside from the GTR2002 mod, there was nothing really great about either. I have Formula One 2002 and I have to say that it is better than GP4 and PC F1 2002 (which is much better than PS2 F1 2002). It was quite a step up from Formula One 2001. To be honest, I think it all shakes out quite well: Sony do F1 ISI do that crappy NASCAR stuff Geoff Crammond retires Codemasters do CrapWagons DID (whatever they are called now) do WRC Papy do CART (!!!) I think the best series (F1, CART, WRC) are mated up with the best racing developers. It all depends on that last line!

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... >> >> If they don't, then I won't even care about the game. I'm not about to >buy a >> PS2 just for ONE game... > >So buy one for GT4 *and* Formula One 2003 ;-) >

Nah...I have more important things to do with my money...like pay bills...<g> Eldred -- Help find missing child: Tatianna Ashley Chillcutt from Michigan(info on my homepage) Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers are boycotting >>him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed to be >>exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubt that >>he will even notice. > > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version...

I realize this response is pretty late (and hope this hasn't been answered yet), but in my experience console licenses and PC licenses are seperate. Hell, often times they're seperate in different territories. Sony continues to crow about their PS2 exclusives: Grand Theft Auto 3 and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. In both cases, they got PC releases as well, simply because Sony considers the two wildly different markets with very little overlap. It's possible that Sony's announcement is that they have _console_ exclusivity, and the whole reason EA is out is because the game doesn't sell as well as their NASCAR games and they refuse to pay the amount for licensing given how much they earn. It will remain to be seen, however, how it all plays out.

The license for Daytona was given to Sega a few years back and that was for EVERYTHING...consoles, pc games. They finally did make a version for the PC, but it was a year or more after the console version and crapy as heck. "Swervo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > John Harwood wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:52:04 -0400, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > >>Bernie is not likely to care that a small group of simmers areboycotting > >>him. He will have huge PS2 royalties and whatever extra Sony payed tobe > >>exclusive probably more than covers the loss of PC royalties. I doubtthat

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> >>he will even notice. > > > > > > Assuming Sony even bothers with a PC version... > > I realize this response is pretty late (and hope this hasn't been > answered yet), but in my experience console licenses and PC licenses are > seperate. Hell, often times they're seperate in different territories. > > Sony continues to crow about their PS2 exclusives: Grand Theft Auto 3 > and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. In both cases, they got PC releases > as well, simply because Sony considers the two wildly different markets > with very little overlap. It's possible that Sony's announcement is > that they have _console_ exclusivity, and the whole reason EA is out is > because the game doesn't sell as well as their NASCAR games and they > refuse to pay the amount for licensing given how much they earn. > > It will remain to be seen, however, how it all plays out. >