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RASCAR: Attn Sean McFadden

20 posts by 8 people · 19 Apr 2003 12:15 UTC - 22 Apr 2003 01:09 UTC

RASCAR Daytona crash involving a newcomer

After RASCAR's Daytona make-up race, new driver Sean McFadden blamed others for a pile-up while lapped cars were being passed. Larry and Jan Verschueren said he had failed to hold a predictable line or slow for an earlier wreck, and Sean accepted some of the blame. Others put it down to unfamiliarity with racing together.

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John Simmons 19 Apr 2003 12:15 UTC#70305
Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the game.
I uploaded another car file -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the : game.
After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but I'll let it pass :) Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the > game.
mcwhom 19 Apr 2003 19:00 UTC↳ reply to Larry#70245
Look at the replay, I am not at fault here. The pack split in two and was passing high and low. Not only that but the 98 car passed on the apron which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car. Do you guys have any brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you are faster? -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CGgoa.133272$[email hidden]... : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but I'll let : it pass :) : : Larry : : "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:[email hidden]... : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the : > game. : :
Larry 19 Apr 2003 19:16 UTC↳ reply to mcwhom#70246
McWhom, I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing. Thank goodness. I saw what you were doing long before we got there. A HALF STRAIGHT before we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low. You had a good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you did not do it. You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide. The ENTIRE lead pack of cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots. Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got there? Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of the way. You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars headed right for you. Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of responsibility with it, at least in this group it does. This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap. We only survived because we dove low to avoid you. Please learn from it for the next one, that's all I think we ask of you. Larry "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here. The pack split in two andwas > passing high and low. Not only that but the 98 car passed on the apron > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car. Do you guys haveany
Quoted text (23 lines)> brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you are > faster? > > -- > McWhom > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CGgoa.133272$[email hidden]... > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but I'll > let > : it pass :) > : > : Larry > : > : "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : news:[email hidden]... > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the > : > game. > : > : > >
Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we almost made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and was thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got Boyked. (-: "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ufhoa.133306$[email hidden]... > McWhom, > > I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing. Thank > goodness. > > I saw what you were doing long before we got there. A HALF STRAIGHTbefore > we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low. You hada > good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you didnot > do it. > > You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide. The ENTIRE lead packof > cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots. > > Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we gotthere? > > Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of the > way. You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of carsheaded
Quoted text (21 lines)> right for you. > > Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of > responsibility with it, at least in this group it does. > > This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap. We only survived > because we dove low to avoid you. Please learn from it for the next one, > that's all I think we ask of you. > > Larry > > > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here. The pack split in two and > was > > passing high and low. Not only that but the 98 car passed on the apron > > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the > > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car. Do you guys have > any > > brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you
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Quoted text (9 lines)> > faster? > > > > -- > > McWhom > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:CGgoa.133272$[email hidden]... > > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but
I'll
Quoted text (15 lines)> > let > > : it pass :) > > : > > : Larry > > : > > : "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > : news:[email hidden]... > > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the > > : > game. > > : > > : > > > > > >
Well, It appears my first mistake was in slowing and trying to get inline with the lap cars in the first place. Then I hesitated behind the 31 going into the corner and I guess that sealed it. I could not get by him in time. When Larry went low I knew I was almost past and moved up as I looked into the rearview. It was too late and Joon (?) hit me as he was going to pass me high. Sorry folks, I practiced quite a bit in traffic but did not encounter that........ I had thought I was doing well. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4xhoa.12185$[email hidden]... : Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we almost : made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it : coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and was : thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got Boyked. : (-: : : : "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:Ufhoa.133306$[email hidden]... : > McWhom, : > : > I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing. Thank : > goodness. : > : > I saw what you were doing long before we got there. A HALF STRAIGHT : before : > we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low. You had : a : > good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you did : not : > do it. : > : > You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide. The ENTIRE lead pack : of : > cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots. : > : > Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got : there? : > : > Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of the : > way. You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars : headed : > right for you. : > : > Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of : > responsibility with it, at least in this group it does. : > : > This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap. We only survived : > because we dove low to avoid you. Please learn from it for the next one, : > that's all I think we ask of you. : > : > Larry : > : > : > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:[email hidden]... : > > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here. The pack split in two and : > was : > > passing high and low. Not only that but the 98 car passed on the apron : > > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the : > > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car. Do you guys have : > any : > > brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you : are : > > faster? : > > : > > -- : > > McWhom : > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- : > > : > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > > news:CGgoa.133272$[email hidden]... : > > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but : I'll : > > let : > > : it pass :) : > > : : > > : Larry : > > : : > > : "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > > : news:[email hidden]... : > > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the : > > : > game. : > > : : > > : : > > : > > : > : > : :
mcwhom 19 Apr 2003 20:02 UTC↳ reply to mcwhom#70250
----------------------------------------------------------------- "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : Well, It appears my first mistake was in slowing and trying to get inline : with the lap cars in the first place. Then I hesitated behind the 31 going : into the corner and I guess that sealed it. I could not get by him in time. : When Larry went low I knew I was almost past and moved up as I looked into : the rearview. It was too late and Joon (?) hit me as he was going to pass me : high. Sorry folks, I practiced quite a bit in traffic but did not : encounter that........ : I had thought I was doing well. : : -- : McWhom P.S. Forgive me for overthinking this but in my own defense this was not the first time I had been past by groups of cars. I generally try to move high out of the way as soon as I can. Larry, why did you say I had caused two wrecks? : ----------------------------------------------------------------- : : "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:4xhoa.12185$[email hidden]... : : Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we almost : : made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it : : coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and : was : : thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got Boyked. : : (-: : : : : : : "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : : news:Ufhoa.133306$[email hidden]... : : > McWhom, : : > : : > I WAS the 98 car so I had a front row seat to this whole thing. Thank : : > goodness. : : > : : > I saw what you were doing long before we got there. A HALF STRAIGHT : : before : : > we got to you, I warned you that we were coming and passing low. You : had : : a : : > good 5 seconds to get in line with the rest of the Lap cars, but you did : : not : : > do it. : : > : : > You insisted on running with other lap cars 2 wide. The ENTIRE lead : pack : : of : : > cars was coming up on you at a closure rate of 20-30 knots. : : > : : > Now, WHY exactly do you think I dove down to the infield when we got : : there? : : > : : > Because you did not pay attention to what was going on and get out of : the : : > way. You had the whole track blocked up with a steaming mass of cars : : headed : : > right for you. : : > : : > Being a lap down and continuing to race brings a great deal of : : > responsibility with it, at least in this group it does. : : > : : > This incident took out all but 3 cars on the lead lap. We only survived : : > because we dove low to avoid you. Please learn from it for the next : one, : : > that's all I think we ask of you. : : > : : > Larry : : > : : > : : > "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : : > news:[email hidden]... : : > > Look at the replay, I am not at fault here. The pack split in two : and : : > was : : > > passing high and low. Not only that but the 98 car passed on the : apron : : > > which is against the rules at Daytona, this caused me to react to the : : > > outside and I was slammed in the ass by the 115 car. Do you guys : have : : > any : : > > brakes in your car or do you figure you don't have to brake since you : : are : : > > faster? : : > > : : > > -- : : > > McWhom : : > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- : : > > : : > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : : > > news:CGgoa.133272$[email hidden]... : : > > : After today's race, I could make a truly wise-ass comment here, but : : I'll : : > > let : : > > : it pass :) : : > > : : : > > : Larry : : > > : : : > > : "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : : > > : news:[email hidden]... : : > > : > Your car file is corrupted, and therefore does not show up in the : : > > : > game. : : > > : : : > > : : : > > : : > > : : > : : > : : : : : :
"mcwhom" wrote... > <snip> Do you guys have any brakes in your car > or do you figure you don't have to brake since > you are faster? Don't be throwing stones, #12, you're the one that blindly drove into a wreck at 183mph earlier (lap 29 or something) eventhough you had half of the backstretch to react to it. I might have escaped that one with minimal damage (nearly got it stopped, but tangled with a purple car) but for your actions. Ok, warp involved, but if there's an incident on the speedway you slow down, end of story. I will agree with you it's up to the lead car to get himself around lap traffic and to accept courtesy when it's offered rather than commanding it and dictating the way in which it should be offered. While most of the time it's convenient to know the leader's intentions, there are other times when it's not possible to accommodate the leader in the way he's got in mind. This can lead to awkward and dangerous situations, but in each case it's up to the following driver(s) to avoid trouble as best he (they) can. Jan. =---
I did watch that wreck the whole way down the backstretch, lots of smoke, cars everywhere, but it was a long way ahead of me. I held my line and kept going, not much choice and the wreck should have been over by the time I got there. I did not hit you, I went under you and the 69 (purple) car, the rest of the wrecked cars were in the infield by that time. My car never shuddered or changed it's line indicating that I hit anything throughout that wreck. I do have the replay up to the point that I retired and I have watched it several times already. I do not want to cause wrecks, nor do I want to be seen as unaware of the race around me. I am a rookie however and I did misjudge the closing rate of the lead group when I was run into. I am sorry for that. As for the rest of the race I don't feel I was a hazard on the track or that my actions/reactions were at fault. I did as well as I could and allowed faster cars to pass me on several occasions as well as navigating my own way through traffic. I was/am a little miffed at being accused of causing two accidents today. I would like to continue racing with this group though I am sure I will make other rookie mistakes. I do appreciate what you said about the leader, Had I realized just how fast the closing rate was I would have tried to move up behind the 31 car. -- McWhom ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Kioa.53172$[email hidden]... : "mcwhom" wrote... : > <snip> Do you guys have any brakes in your car : > or do you figure you don't have to brake since : > you are faster? : : Don't be throwing stones, #12, you're the one that blindly drove into a : wreck at 183mph earlier (lap 29 or something) eventhough you had half of the : backstretch to react to it. I might have escaped that one with minimal : damage (nearly got it stopped, but tangled with a purple car) but for your : actions. Ok, warp involved, but if there's an incident on the speedway you : slow down, end of story. : : I will agree with you it's up to the lead car to get himself around lap : traffic and to accept courtesy when it's offered rather than commanding it : and dictating the way in which it should be offered. While most of the time : it's convenient to know the leader's intentions, there are other times when : it's not possible to accommodate the leader in the way he's got in mind. : This can lead to awkward and dangerous situations, but in each case it's up : to the following driver(s) to avoid trouble as best he (they) can. : : Jan. : =--- : : : :
Everyone makes mistakes, don't worry about it. Just learn from it. "mcwhom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I did watch that wreck the whole way down the backstretch, lots of smoke, > cars everywhere, but it was a long way ahead of me. I held my line andkept > going, not much choice and the wreck should have been over by the time Igot > there. I did not hit you, I went under you and the 69 (purple) car, the > rest of the wrecked cars were in the infield by that time. My car never > shuddered or changed it's line indicating that I hit anything throughout > that wreck. I do have the replay up to the point that I retired and Ihave > watched it several times already. I do not want to cause wrecks, nor do I > want to be seen as unaware of the race around me. I am a rookie howeverand > I did misjudge the closing rate of the lead group when I was run into. Iam > sorry for that. As for the rest of the race I don't feel I was a hazardon > the track or that my actions/reactions were at fault. I did as well as I > could and allowed faster cars to pass me on several occasions as well as > navigating my own way through traffic. > I was/am a little miffed at being accused of causing two accidents today.I
Quoted text (21 lines)> would like to continue racing with this group though I am sure I will make > other rookie mistakes. > I do appreciate what you said about the leader, Had I realized just how > fast the closing rate was I would have tried to move up behind the 31 car. > > -- > McWhom > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8Kioa.53172$[email hidden]... > : "mcwhom" wrote... > : > <snip> Do you guys have any brakes in your car > : > or do you figure you don't have to brake since > : > you are faster? > : > : Don't be throwing stones, #12, you're the one that blindly drove into a > : wreck at 183mph earlier (lap 29 or something) eventhough you had half of > the > : backstretch to react to it. I might have escaped that one with minimal > : damage (nearly got it stopped, but tangled with a purple car) but for
your > : actions. Ok, warp involved, but if there's an incident on the speedwayyou > : slow down, end of story. > : > : I will agree with you it's up to the lead car to get himself around lap > : traffic and to accept courtesy when it's offered rather than commandingit
Quoted text (17 lines)> : and dictating the way in which it should be offered. While most of the > time > : it's convenient to know the leader's intentions, there are other times > when > : it's not possible to accommodate the leader in the way he's got in mind. > : This can lead to awkward and dangerous situations, but in each case it's > up > : to the following driver(s) to avoid trouble as best he (they) can. > : > : Jan. > : =--- > : > : > : > : > >
"mcwhom" wrote... > I did watch that wreck the whole way down the backstretch, > lots of smoke, cars everywhere, but it was a long way ahead > of me. I held my line and kept going, not much choice and > the wreck should have been over by the time I got there. Pardon the sarcasm, but: of course, we should have stopped banging into eachother and cleared the track by the time you got there. How very untoughtfull of us. No, if an incident happens ahead you slow enough to not become part of it and then you, gingerly, pick your way through the wreckage. Keeping one's foot in it and aiming for a gap is an option reserved to those who can still see through and beyond the incident. > I did not hit you, I went under you and the 69 (purple) car, > the rest of the wrecked cars were in the infield by that time. > My car never shuddered or changed it's line indicating that I > hit anything throughout that wreck. I know it won't have appeared to you as though you hit me... through the effects of latency game reality varies from client to client, which in turn is different than what will be apparent on the server. Your car is indeed completely unaffected by the hit in my replay, but, sadly, the effect of the collision on my car was permanent. That's another reason why you shouldn't blat through wrecks... you can "kill" other drivers without noticing it. That said, having looked at it again, frame by frame, what seemed like "almost stopped" was still 55mph. That still made for a sizeable impact with Pete Reston and I wouldn't have gotten off free anyhow. That comment was a bit rash, I'm sorry.
Quoted text (8 lines)> I do have the replay up to the point that I retired and I > have watched it several times already. I do not want to > cause wrecks, nor do I want to be seen as unaware of the > race around me. I am a rookie however and I did misjudge > the closing rate of the lead group when I was run into. > I am sorry for that. As for the rest of the race I don't > feel I was a hazard on the track or that my actions/ > reactions were at fault.
Not any more so than some of the others that have run with RASCAR or even myself at times, but for one to get better mistakes have to be pointed out. > I did as well as I could and allowed faster cars to pass > me on several occasions as well as navigating my own way > through traffic. I'm sure you did, e.g., the situation right before things went wrong in the lead draft wasn't your fault at all. Eldred, Dave and John where clumsy passing you, never mind the fact they neglected to draft me up past you as well... thanks a bunch guys. I think Eldred twigged it in the end and tried to help me, but we were still side by side as we were caught by the lead draft which went down the middle. Nearly drifted up into to the #31 there, but gathered it up in time. There's just not enough of us to do this SS racing properly... there's not enough cars in the way to kerb some people's obsession with passing cars even if, in their situation, it's the worst tactical move they can make. Stick with it, use your nugget and you'll get some decent finishes out of this stuff. > I was/am a little miffed at being accused of causing two > accidents today. I would like to continue racing with > this group though I am sure I will make other rookie > mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes and will continue to do so with a varying degree of consequences. This is accepted, as long as we get to rant about it. ;-) I responded in this case as you called the kettle black, IMO. Jan. =---
"Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<4xhoa.12185$[email hidden]>... > Knew it wasn't a good situation as we were coming up on them but we almost > made it through. Joon tapped him as we were exiting the tir and I saw it > coming and slowed just enough to get tapped by Dave. I slid sideways and was > thinking I was going to get out of it with no damage, until I got Boyked. > (-: Getting "Boyked" is a good thing, no? I haven't had a chance to see the replay, however, from my viewpoint, Sean did exactly as he said....he misjudged how slow Pete and I were going, and how fast the freight train was coming. He went low under me, but failed to get up along the wall after he passed. I cringed when I saw it, and yes, most of us got "boyked" <now reflecting on all the things I have been called growing up with a name like that> Anyhow, if none of you have ever tried it, completing 100 laps at Daytona, where the last 60 of it you are averaging 160mph can be pretty lonely. (Where did you go, Pete? We had an awesome draft of nearly 165 going) I finished the race 9 laps down, managed to keep up near the wall and let the leaders go by without trouble. Hey, wait a minute....I finished a race. I'm going to DisneyWorld! No, really folks, looks like I won't make it next weekend....gotta take the kids up to Disney for the weekend. Sean, you think this thread is bad, just think of what it would have been like if you would have taken out Larry :o He's the Dale jr of RASCAR!
Pete 20 Apr 2003 03:56 UTC↳ reply to Boyk7808#70286
Sorry, had to leave but my motor gave up the ghost. Those big speeds killed it. :-) Pete "Boyk7808" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (19 lines)> > Getting "Boyked" is a good thing, no? I haven't had a chance to see > the replay, however, from my viewpoint, Sean did exactly as he > said....he misjudged how slow Pete and I were going, and how fast the > freight train was coming. He went low under me, but failed to get up > along the wall after he passed. I cringed when I saw it, and yes, most > of us got "boyked" <now reflecting on all the things I have been > called growing up with a name like that> Anyhow, if none of you have > ever tried it, completing 100 laps at Daytona, where the last 60 of it > you are averaging 160mph can be pretty lonely. (Where did you go, > Pete? We had an awesome draft of nearly 165 going) I finished the race > 9 laps down, managed to keep up near the wall and let the leaders go > by without trouble. Hey, wait a minute....I finished a race. I'm going > to DisneyWorld! No, really folks, looks like I won't make it next > weekend....gotta take the kids up to Disney for the weekend. Sean, you > think this thread is bad, just think of what it would have been like > if you would have taken out Larry :o > > He's the Dale jr of RASCAR!
Exactly :) -Larry "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CKjoa.12202$[email hidden]... > Everyone makes mistakes, don't worry about it. Just learn from it.
Larry 20 Apr 2003 04:49 UTC↳ reply to Boyk7808#70189
I don't know about that, but I did have a DEI engine today :) Larry "Boyk7808" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (18 lines)> Getting "Boyked" is a good thing, no? I haven't had a chance to see > the replay, however, from my viewpoint, Sean did exactly as he > said....he misjudged how slow Pete and I were going, and how fast the > freight train was coming. He went low under me, but failed to get up > along the wall after he passed. I cringed when I saw it, and yes, most > of us got "boyked" <now reflecting on all the things I have been > called growing up with a name like that> Anyhow, if none of you have > ever tried it, completing 100 laps at Daytona, where the last 60 of it > you are averaging 160mph can be pretty lonely. (Where did you go, > Pete? We had an awesome draft of nearly 165 going) I finished the race > 9 laps down, managed to keep up near the wall and let the leaders go > by without trouble. Hey, wait a minute....I finished a race. I'm going > to DisneyWorld! No, really folks, looks like I won't make it next > weekend....gotta take the kids up to Disney for the weekend. Sean, you > think this thread is bad, just think of what it would have been like > if you would have taken out Larry :o > > He's the Dale jr of RASCAR!
In article <6nkoa.53251$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (7 lines)>I'm sure you did, e.g., the situation right before things went wrong in the >lead draft wasn't your fault at all. Eldred, Dave and John where clumsy >passing you, never mind the fact they neglected to draft me up past you as >well... thanks a bunch guys. I think Eldred twigged it in the end and tried >to help me, but we were still side by side as we were caught by the lead >draft which went down the middle. Nearly drifted up into to the #31 there, >but gathered it up in time.
"twigged"? I can't speak for Dave and John, but from my point of view, it was a lack of familiarity racing with Sean. I wasn't sure WHERE he was going to go. Maybe the others felt the same way. I think *that's* what caused everyone to jam up in the same area of track. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
In article <6nkoa.53251$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (7 lines)>I'm sure you did, e.g., the situation right before things went wrong in the >lead draft wasn't your fault at all. Eldred, Dave and John where clumsy >passing you, never mind the fact they neglected to draft me up past you as >well... thanks a bunch guys. I think Eldred twigged it in the end and tried >to help me, but we were still side by side as we were caught by the lead >draft which went down the middle. Nearly drifted up into to the #31 there, >but gathered it up in time.
"twigged"? I can't speak for Dave and John, but from my point of view, it was a lack of familiarity racing with Sean. I wasn't sure WHERE he was going to go. Maybe the others felt the same way. I think *that's* what caused everyone to jam up in the same area of track. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > "twigged"? English "old boy" -speak for "realised" or "got" > I can't speak for Dave and John, but from my point > of view, it was a lack of familiarity racing with > Sean. I wasn't sure WHERE he was going to go. Simple, he was going to go low whether he liked to or not. He's on is own, we caught him as he was about to cut down into the corner. You continue on the high line and by mid-corner there's a wall of cars, moving 5mph faster than he is, on his outside and the decision is made for him. Eldred, you know I like you as a person, rate you highly as a driver and appreciate what you do for the community, but you can be awkward at times... you're too concerned about misjudging things or making mistakes and it's slowing you down. _No doubt_ Eldred... you're a good racer, you just need to work on the singlemindedness part. > Maybe the others felt the same way. I think *that's* > what caused everyone to jamm up in the same area of track. I'd say your hesitation now causing both lines to be blocked had something to do with it. <g> Jan. =---
In article <Atyoa.53963$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (22 lines)>> I can't speak for Dave and John, but from my point >> of view, it was a lack of familiarity racing with >> Sean. I wasn't sure WHERE he was going to go. > >Simple, he was going to go low whether he liked to or not. He's on is own, >we caught him as he was about to cut down into the corner. You continue on >the high line and by mid-corner there's a wall of cars, moving 5mph faster >than he is, on his outside and the decision is made for him. > >Eldred, you know I like you as a person, rate you highly as a driver and >appreciate what you do for the community, but you can be awkward at times... >you're too concerned about misjudging things or making mistakes and it's >slowing you down. > >_No doubt_ Eldred... you're a good racer, you just need to work on the >singlemindedness part. > >> Maybe the others felt the same way. I think *that's* >> what caused everyone to jamm up in the same area of track. > >I'd say your hesitation now causing both lines to be blocked had something >to do with it. <g>
Hmm...that's not good. I'll have to look at the replay, because I don't remember being in the lead of that pack. In other words, *I* didn't make that decision... I *think* I checked up to avoid hitting DGF or John, and my evasive action put me on the inside, right behind Sean. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.950 MonsterRank: +305.145 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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