ALL AMERICANS READ

To make a long story short: Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents (my current LPI is 90+) When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i asked if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels they can crap on the constitution apparently. I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. All i wanted was an explanation. They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site I would reccommend u do ! http://www.teamflm.com/ - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) Yankee1 (N1)

In article <BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02>, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> writes: >It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. >It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels >they can crap on the constitution apparently. What does the constitution have to do with it? It's a private league run on a private(for all intents and purposes) server. They can do whatever they want, for whatever REASON they want... Sorry, but you're crying 'foul' for the wrong reasons. I also tend to think there's more to this than you're sharing. The average person who was offended by your 'sponsor' would have just asked you to remove it first. The fact that they ignored you, then gave a cryptic answer sounds a bit fishy. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oh no, another victim. Keep it to yourself. EldredP wrote:

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> In article <BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02>, "Paul D. Yuknis" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. >>It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels >>they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > What does the constitution have to do with it? It's a private league run on a > private(for all intents and purposes) server. They can do whatever they want, > for whatever REASON they want... > Sorry, but you're crying 'foul' for the wrong reasons. I also tend to think > there's more to this than you're sharing. The average person who was offended > by your 'sponsor' would have just asked you to remove it first. The fact that > they ignored you, then gave a cryptic answer sounds a bit fishy. > > Eldred

"Paul D. Yuknis" wrote: > > To make a long story short: Bloody bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

> To make a long story short: ***y bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

In article <BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02>, [email hidden] says...

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i asked > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! >

First, let's review the rules, and reveal the reasons for being kicked out (the reasons below cite the RSR rule number): 1) Solo spinning a 2nd time and not exiting the race 3) Flaming at any time 9) Continually causing problems *) Unspoken rule - somehow you managed to piss off one or more of the admins So which of these things did you do? ----------- I doubt seriously if their reason for booting you out is what you have painted on your car, since they're apparantly not as demanding as RASCAR is (since they didn't even mention it in their rules). ----------- Exactly how are they "crapping on the Constitution"? They're not preventing you from bearing arms, speaking freely, publicly assembling, and this most certainly isn't a church and state issue. ----------- IMHO, you are entitled to an explanation if you HONESTLY don't know why you were expelled. but at the same time, the league admins don't have to say why.

In article <vGh8a.9053$[email hidden]>, Dan <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Oh no, another victim. Keep it to yourself. > >EldredP wrote: >> In article <BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02>, "Paul D. Yuknis" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >>>It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. >>>It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels >>>they can crap on the constitution apparently. >> >> >> What does the constitution have to do with it? It's a private league run >on a >> private(for all intents and purposes) server. They can do whatever they >want, >> for whatever REASON they want... >> Sorry, but you're crying 'foul' for the wrong reasons. I also tend to >think >> there's more to this than you're sharing. The average person who was >offended >> by your 'sponsor' would have just asked you to remove it first. The fact >that >> they ignored you, then gave a cryptic answer sounds a bit fishy.

Since you responded to me instead of Paul, I have to ask: You're calling *me* a victim, Dan? Why is that? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... Seek counselling Paul, you have some serious mental problems... How about taking a loooong hard think ? Maybe the fact that you spew this drivel in RAS as soon as you feel martyrdom coming, is a clue to why they did not want you in their league ?? oh and go somewhere else with this crusade, you are a very sad person IMHO. Only in America... *sigh* Mikkel

Thats all i want John, an honest explanation. I don't think it's asking for very much. - Paul

Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? Just wondering Paul D. Yuknis wrote:

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i asked > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > Yankee1 (N1) > > >

In article <Bdq8a.314414$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Thats all i want John, an honest explanation. > > I don't think it's asking for very much. > At the very least, it should not have been brought up publicly unless someone asked for an opinion about the league. At that point, you would have been justified in expressing your feelings. If they don't want to tell you why they kicked you out, that's their choice, and you should probably just leave it at that. ----------- I personally don't like having religion of any kind thrust in my face at any time, but as long as your car doesn't say "Jesus Saves (but non-Christians suck)", there's nothing wrong with having it on your car short of realistic considerations pertaining to paint schemes. You're not likely to see that phrase on a stockcar (despite the apparent deeply held religious beliefs of most stockcar drivers) because Jesus may save, but the sponsor pays out the big bucks, so the sponsor gets his name on the hood and the quarterpanels. We have a guy in RASCAR (#85 car I think) with some sort of religious slogan on the decklid, and unless he screws up or otherwise pisses off one of the admins, we're not gonna kick him out. :)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the > subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to > do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? > > Just wondering > I'm not one (I really don't see the point in any specific religious belief system, but that's a subject for another thread in alt.religion.nonbelievers), and while the title is kinda weird, I think the thread has an acceptably low level of bullcrap (so far). :)

It is the right for freedom of expression, a concern to all americans, hence the name of the thread. NOT just a Christian issue. It doesnt matter what religion u are, YOU have the right to express it. and so don't I. "Right to free speech" is in the constitution. If they didn't allow me in because i was black, people would freak. but discriminating against a christian is O.K. ? I tried several times to get a response in private email with no luck, that is why I went public. As I have defended OUR constitution for 23 years serving in the military I take great offense to such a lame attitude towards it. - Paul

Reading this thread just ticks me off. I am going to "Jump to Conclusions" and "Make an Assumption." It sounds to me, from the tenor of your original post, that you are part and parcel of the "I Am Not Responsible For My Own Actions" crowd. It sounds as if you were kicked out for a valid reason, but due to your inability to accept responsibility for your lack of talent to compete, you decided it would be far easier to say it had to do with religion. This absolves you of having to say you screwed up and or admitting that you couldn't cut it. You are able to justify this by screaming long and loud in a newsgroup like this. Let me tell you something. Saying it loudly and with conviction don't make it so. My apologies to the newsgroup, as I really don't have any inside info or facts on the subject, just what I read here. But it just sounds like what I hear daily from people all over. IT"S NOT MY FAULT! Mike

In article <[email hidden]>, race1530 @aol.comnojunk says... > Reading this thread just ticks me off. I am going to "Jump to Conclusions" and > "Make an Assumption." That's the spirit... > It sounds to me, from the tenor of your original post, that you are part and > parcel of the "I Am Not Responsible For My Own Actions" crowd. > > It sounds as if you were kicked out for a valid reason, but due to your > inability to accept responsibility for your lack of talent to compete, you > decided it would be far easier to say it had to do with religion. He placed 7th and 12th in the races. I didn't notice if it was the lead lap (I went to the web page to see), but those are respectable showings, IMHO. And his 90+ LPI ain't too shabby either. My LPI is only 56... > This absolves you of having to say you screwed up and or admitting that you > couldn't cut it. You are able to justify this by screaming long and loud in a > newsgroup like this. Well, I don't think he should have brought it here, but beyond that, and assuming that he didn't break any of the rules that promised expulsion from the league if broken, you have to wonder why he was kicked out. If it was because of the paint scheme and he was not provided with a chance to change the paint scheme in order to comply with their as yet unspecified painting rules, that was just plain wrong, IMHO.

>>Well, I don't think he should have brought it here, but beyond that, and assuming that he didn't break any of the rules that promised expulsion from the league if broken, you have to wonder why he was kicked out. If it was because of the paint scheme and he was not provided with a chance to change the paint scheme in order to comply with their as yet unspecified painting rules, that was just plain wrong, IMHO.>> John, in reality, I couldn't agree more. It's just the strident tenor of the post in which he presented the case that made my gut twitch that there is some "other" as yet undefined reason for his expulsion. It made me feel as if he was told, but doesn't believe the reasoning. Of course I expected to have to stand here all day with my fingers on the "Pull In Case Of Fire" switch, so it was nice that you spoke in a quiet, reserved and even handed manner. So unlike you :))) (Tongue Firmly Planted In Cheek) Mike

If I drove around in a car that said "There is no God" would it bother you?? Joe "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bdq8a.314414$[email hidden]...

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> Thats all i want John, an honest explanation. > > I don't think it's asking for very much. > > - Paul > >

ok email the admin and find out what those reasons are. Thats all id like to know. U really shouldnt jump to conclusions or make assumptions "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Reading this thread just ticks me off. I am going to "Jump toConclusions" and > "Make an Assumption." > > It sounds to me, from the tenor of your original post, that you are partand

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> parcel of the "I Am Not Responsible For My Own Actions" crowd. > > It sounds as if you were kicked out for a valid reason, but due to your > inability to accept responsibility for your lack of talent to compete, you > decided it would be far easier to say it had to do with religion. > > This absolves you of having to say you screwed up and or admitting that

you > couldn't cut it. You are able to justify this by screaming long and loudin a > newsgroup like this. > > Let me tell you something. Saying it loudly and with conviction don'tmake it > so. > > My apologies to the newsgroup, as I really don't have any inside info orfacts > on the subject, just what I read here. > > But it just sounds like what I hear daily from people all over. IT"S NOTMY > FAULT! > > Mike

Sometimes people just don't like others. The internet and especially online racing amplifies this with obscurity. If people were face to face a lot of the BS that goes on wouldn't. It's called respect, a thing of the past.. Time to start running RASCAR on sat noon est Paul :-) OT: Religion The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000 years ago is beyond me.. Hell they thought the world was flat, how can you put so much faith in a people that were so completely ignorant about so many things? 300 years ago they were burning innocent people at the stake cause they are witches, yea, Ill follow the church... Or should I say "Safe-House" for the child molesters of the world. Mitch "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02...

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i

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> if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > Yankee1 (N1) > > >

There was no reason given, all i want is a reason given. No league rules were broken, no wrecks, no explanation. No I would not change my car. Alls i want is an explanation. if it was because of my car than they could at least have to guts to say so. Here is the incident report from the race, as u see I was a victim of warp, and caused no wrecks. this is from the league admin: You see after all those other incidents, it was i that was removed from the roster with no explanation. all the other guys that caused wrecks were kept "one removal was me". So u see, by the leagues own admission i didnt break any rules or cause any wrecks. "1 driver removed from the roster" was me. when asked if it was because of having "Jesus" on my car, i got no response. So infer what u will... Lap 2: C_Adkins (solo spin/warp?) cannot determine from replay Lap 14: CC81(RSR) solo spin, possibly warp related Lap 19: J_Wilcko_FLM solo spin Lap 24: *KBtitan24* solo spin lap 29: Racemasta bud & =TFO=TJsRacin get together coming out of turn, did not give each other enough room (racing deal) Lap 44: RascalRacing gets into the back of TFO Dok, but TFO Dok had slowed to keep from spinning Lap 53: Bobo9 solo spin (rear spoiler damage) Lap 66: 4Boltmain warps for a few seconds then reappears in front of Tarrant and is spun Lap 114: LuckyLarry_FLM loses control (very close to a solo spin) and bounces of the inside wall over to the outside wall and causes an incident with Aerojack_RSR Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last race if you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spend hours on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup or do not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find another league to race in. 1 driver removed from the roster and 2 drivers that chatted during the race received 0 points for this race.

Interesting...I went to the site to see if they had their own forum, which they do, and was then going to ask why this would be posted here instead of there. Well he did post the question there as to why he was dropped. The league admin made numerous replies, not one of which was any sort of explanation. All of them pretty smart a$$ comments, the last one being: "Oh, think of all the sleep I'm going to lose over that. Oh well, I'm off to go paint my new fascist/totalitarian paint scheme with the swastika on the hood." At least as far as I'm concerned, I think this post has had its desired effect. I would sure think twice about applying for membership in that league. Bob "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02...

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i

asked

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> if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > Yankee1 (N1) > > >

Oh, and I meant add, that I doubt it had anything thing to do with religion. Keep in mind his wife planted that seed, and all of you married guys out there know how those kinds of things can fester :-) "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Zms8a.2776$[email hidden]... > Interesting...I went to the site to see if they had their own forum, which > they do, and was then going to ask why this would be posted here insteadof > there. > > Well he did post the question there as to why he was dropped. The league > admin made numerous replies, not one of which was any sort of explanation. > All of them pretty smart a$$ comments, the last one being: > "Oh, think of all the sleep I'm going to lose over that. Oh well, I'm offto

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> go paint my new fascist/totalitarian paint scheme with the swastika on the > hood." > > At least as far as I'm concerned, I think this post has had its desired > effect. I would sure think twice about applying for membership in that > league. > > Bob > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > To make a long story short: > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an

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> > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > asked > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, race1530 @aol.comnojunk says...

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> > >>Well, I don't think he should have brought it here, but beyond that, > and assuming that he didn't break any of the rules that promised > expulsion from the league if broken, you have to wonder why he was > kicked out. If it was because of the paint scheme and he was not > provided with a chance to change the paint scheme in order to comply > with their as yet unspecified painting rules, that was just plain > wrong, IMHO.>> > > John, in reality, I couldn't agree more. It's just the strident tenor of the > post in which he presented the case that made my gut twitch that there is some > "other" as yet undefined reason for his expulsion. It made me feel as if he > was told, but doesn't believe the reasoning. > > Of course I expected to have to stand here all day with my fingers on the "Pull > In Case Of Fire" switch, so it was nice that you spoke in a quiet, reserved and > even handed manner. So unlike you :))) (Tongue Firmly Planted In Cheek) > > Mike > >

I'm trying to lull everyone into a false sense of security and comnfort, and then go back to my old ways... It always pays to keep people off balance. :)

In article <DUr8a.288112$SD6.14994@sccrnsc03>, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> writes: >Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable >throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last race if >you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spend hours >on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup or do >not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find another league to >race in. Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundreds of laps... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <pYq8a.322366$[email hidden]>, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>It is the right for freedom of expression, a concern to all >americans, hence the name of the thread. NOT just >a Christian issue. > >It doesnt matter what religion u are, YOU have the right to >express it. and so don't I. > >"Right to free speech" is in the constitution. > >If they didn't allow me in because i was black, people would freak. > >but discriminating against a christian is O.K. ?

If I choose to deny you access to a league I run, I can do it for whatever reason I choose. It could be your religion, your political ideas, and yes, even your color. It may not be *right*(and I'd never actually discriminate in that way), but it would be MY right. A *private* club(league) can make whatever rules for membership that they desire. You seem to be missing that very obvious point. I *still* think there's more to the story than you're telling. You never addressed that... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Robb <[email hidden]> writes: >Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the >subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to >do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? Nope. But he was trying to inflame people into thinking "The Constitution is being trampled!" when it's clear he doesn't have a CLUE... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: Nope. But he was trying to inflame people into thinking "The Constitution is being ***led!" when it's clear he doesn't have a CLUE... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've > run hundreds of laps... Yeah, ask John Simmons... or even Dale Junior (Re: Subway400) Jan. =---

In article <TAw8a.113720$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've > > run hundreds of laps... > > Yeah, ask John Simmons... or even Dale Junior (Re: Subway400) >

Yup. If we instituted that rule in RASCAR, the only people left would be Tim White, and maybe Ginger.

On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:00:22 -0500, "Joe Saxon" <joesaxon@!nospam!mindspring.com> wrote: >If I drove around in a car that said "There is no God" would it bother you?? I'm working on one (inspired by this thread) sponsored by "Americans for the taxing of corporate religions". Hope it's not too offensive... Jason

Jason Moyer wrote: > I'm working on one (inspired by this thread) sponsored by "Americans > for the taxing of corporate religions". Hope it's not too > offensive... Long logo there. Whatcha driving, a stretch limo? :-p -- Fester BACHELOR: A man who never makes the same mistake once.

My donkey is just fine thank you. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Paul D. Yuknis" wrote: > > > > To make a long story short: > > Bloody bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

My donkey is just fine thank you. > > To make a long story short: > ***y bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

Probably, but i wouldn't wreck u for it, or throw u out of a league. "Joe Saxon" <joesaxon@!nospam!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:b3tgqp$gnq$[email hidden]... > If I drove around in a car that said "There is no God" would it botheryou??

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> > Joe > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Bdq8a.314414$[email hidden]... > > Thats all i want John, an honest explanation. > > > > I don't think it's asking for very much. > > > > - Paul > > > > > >

So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question about the story ask ...

Yeah, but unlike me the wreckers were put on probation, the Christian was just thrown out. - Paul "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <DUr8a.288112$SD6.14994@sccrnsc03>, "Paul D. Yuknis" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable > >throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last raceif > >you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spendhours > >on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup or do > >not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find another leagueto > >race in. > > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundredsof

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> laps... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free speech, and religous freedom. I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone, merely expecting no discrimination by expressing mine. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Robb <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the > >subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to > >do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? > > Nope. But he was trying to inflame people into thinking "The Constitution

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> being trampled!" when it's clear he doesn't have a CLUE... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-1.680 > MonsterRank: +334.169 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi MITCH !! Long time no see. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bUr8a.1405$[email hidden]... > Sometimes people just don't like others. The internet and especiallyonline > racing amplifies this with obscurity. If people were face to face a lotof > the BS that goes on wouldn't. It's called respect, a thing of the past.. > Time to start running RASCAR on sat noon est Paul :-) > > OT: Religion > The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000 yearsago > is beyond me.. Hell they thought the world was flat, how can you put so > much faith in a people that were so completely ignorant about so many > things? 300 years ago they were burning innocent people at the stakecause > they are witches, yea, Ill follow the church... Or should I say"Safe-House"

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> for the child molesters of the world. > > Mitch > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > To make a long story short: > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an

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> > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > asked > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > >

Thank u for a well thought out fair response. - Paul "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ss8a.2779$[email hidden]... > Oh, and I meant add, that I doubt it had anything thing to do withreligion.

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> Keep in mind his wife planted that seed, and all of you married guys out > there know how those kinds of things can fester :-) > > > "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Zms8a.2776$[email hidden]... > > Interesting...I went to the site to see if they had their own forum,

which > > they do, and was then going to ask why this would be posted here instead > of > > there. > > > > Well he did post the question there as to why he was dropped. Theleague > > admin made numerous replies, not one of which was any sort ofexplanation. > > All of them pretty smart a$$ comments, the last one being: > > "Oh, think of all the sleep I'm going to lose over that. Oh well, I'moff > to > > go paint my new fascist/totalitarian paint scheme with the swastika onthe

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> > hood." > > > > At least as far as I'm concerned, I think this post has had its desired > > effect. I would sure think twice about applying for membership in that > > league. > > > > Bob > > > > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > > To make a long story short: > > > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an > open > > > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > > asked > > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I

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> > > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams

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> > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free > speech, and religous freedom. Pardon me? It bars the Federal Govt from forming an official state sanctioned religion. What *that* has to do with /this/ is beyond me. -- Fester Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides.

Serious mental problems? Look at your totally enraged response ... "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e624f70$0$150$[email hidden]...

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> Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > Seek counselling Paul, you have some serious mental problems... > How about taking a loooong hard think ? Maybe the fact that you spew this > drivel in RAS as soon as you feel martyrdom coming, is a clue to why they > did not want you in their league ?? oh and go somewhere else with this > crusade, you are a very sad person IMHO. > > Only in America... *sigh* > > Mikkel > >

uhhh, wrong ... Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > > I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free > > speech, and religous freedom. > > > Pardon me? It bars the Federal Govt from forming an official state > sanctioned religion. What *that* has to do with /this/ is beyond me. > > -- > > Fester > > Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >

Like John said, this topic belongs elsewhere. > OT: Religion > The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000 yearsago > is beyond me.. If you are really interested in why anyone would, then let me know in email. I'll let you know why I do.

Ok I'll ask then... Besides your wifes suggestion, why is it you seem so certain that your affiliation with Big J. was the reason you got booted ???? Have you considered that the way you act here annoy a lot of people, you come across as a pretty obsessive person and that might also be the case in the league you were booted from.. not the paintjob, but your personality was the reason ? Mikkel Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q5y8a.296866$tq4.6792@sccrnsc01...

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> So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > > There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > about the story ask ... > > >

Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote: > uhhh, wrong ... > > Amendment I > > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And just what part of this do you not comprehend??? > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; -- Fester A husband is what is left of a man after the nerve is extracted.

Only because When i asked them if was because of my car i only got wise A$$ answers. Not obsessive, passionate about my faith, and American principles. I went way out of my way to be nice when i asked the questions. Got nothing but a hard time as a response. "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3e62b53a$0$42648$[email hidden]... > Ok I'll ask then... > Besides your wifes suggestion, why is it you seem so certain that your > affiliation with Big J. was the reason you got booted ???? > Have you considered that the way you act here annoy a lot of people, you > come across as a pretty obsessive person and that might also be the casein > the league you were booted from.. not the paintjob, but your personalitywas

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> the reason ? > > Mikkel > > > Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q5y8a.296866$tq4.6792@sccrnsc01... > > So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > > > > There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > > about the story ask ... > > > > > > > >

And it has been held up in the court systems that the interpretation of that ammendment grants exactly what Paul is stating. Are you from the U.S.A.? To be honest, it wouldnt be worth the trouble to me. Any league that has that attitude, I wouldnt want anything to do with it and I would just drop it. But, if he paid money to be in that league, they should give him a refund or they deserve every post he has made about the subject. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote: > > uhhh, wrong ... > > > > Amendment I > > > > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > And just what part of this do you not comprehend??? > > > > > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; > -- > > Fester > > A husband is what is left of a man after the nerve is extracted. >

"Robb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the > subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to > do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? > I'm a Canadian athiest and I read it... oops.

Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > > So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > > There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > about the story ask ... Christians do it all the time. There's a small private college in Spokane Washington, I can't remember the name (it's NOT Gonzaga, that much I know.) Anyways, whenever they ran employment advertisements in the Spokesman-Review, there was always a line in the ad that said applicants had to have a personal relationship with god and jesus to be considered. That qualifies as discrimination based on religion in my book. Wally

Phillip Malphrus, Jr. wrote: > And it has been held up in the court systems that the interpretation of that > ammendment grants exactly what Paul is stating. Are you from the U.S.A.? Yes, I am from the US. Without knowing specifically what you are referring too, I think such matters have been covered under the due process/equal protection clauses of the 14th amendment. The 1st just isn't valid here. I disagree on that assertion. > To be honest, it wouldnt be worth the trouble to me. Any league that has > that attitude, I wouldnt want anything to do with it and I would just drop > it. But, if he paid money to be in that league, they should give him a > refund or they deserve every post he has made about the subject. Agreed. I wouldn't want to hang around with people who didn't want me around. Got better things to do with my time. -- Fester 'I never met a piece of chocolate I didn't like.'

"In God We Trust ...." - U.S. Currency "One nation, under God ...." - Pledge Q: According to American tradition what flag can be flown above the Stars an Stripes. A: Chaplains Flag, when underway, during worship. aboard U.S. Navy warships only. "... no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. " - U.S. Constitution " ...... Statesmen my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand ..." John Adams, 1776 " .... with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence ..." - The Decleration of Independence The Constitution of North Carolina, 1776: XXXII. That no person, who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this State. The Constitution of Delaware, 1776: ART. 22. Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust, before taking his seat, or entering upon the execution of his office, shall take the following oath, or affirmation, if conscientiously scrupulous of taking an oath, to wit: " I, A B. will bear true allegiance to the Delaware State, submit to its constitution and laws, and do no act wittingly whereby the freedom thereof may be prejudiced." And also make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit: " I, A B. do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration." The Constitution of New Jersey, 1776: XVIII. That no person shall ever, within this Colony, be deprived of the inestimable privilege of worshipping Almighty God in a manner, agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; nor, under any presence whatever, be compelled to attend any place of worship, contrary to his own faith and judgment; nor shall any person, within this Colony, ever be obliged to pay tithes, taxes, or any other rates, for the purpose of building or repairing any other church or churches, place or places of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes to be right, or has deliberately or voluntarily engaged himself to perform. XIX. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious sect in this Province, in preference to another; and that no Protestant inhabitant of this Colony shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil right, merely on account of his religious principles; but that all persons, professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect. who shall demean themselves peaceably under the government, as hereby established, shall be capable of being elected into any office of profit or trust, or being a member of either branch of the Legislature, and shall fully and freely enjoy every privilege and immunity, enjoyed by others their fellow subjects. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > > I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free > > speech, and religous freedom. > > > Pardon me? It bars the Federal Govt from forming an official state > sanctioned religion. What *that* has to do with /this/ is beyond me. > > -- > > Fester > > Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:33:37 -0500, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >Long logo there. Whatcha driving, a stretch limo? :-p I'm driving a hearse with the actual body of Christ inside. =p Jason

On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 18:16:39 GMT, "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote: >OT: Religion >The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000 years ago >is beyond me.. I can actually understand that part, even though I'm not a Christian, and I also think Jesus was a pretty swell dude if not some sort of supernatural entity. I've always thought that the concept of "God" was more of a hippie-esque universality and in that sense some guy wandering around telling people to be nice to each other and to accept each other's faults was probably a part of "God" more than most people. Anyway getting off topic here... The part that baffles me is literally interpreting folklore passed via word of mouth among wandering shepherds several millenia ago. Even more baffling is the way some parts are interpreted metaphorically, others are taken literally, and others are simply ignored, all 3 often in the context of the same set of passages (Genesis and Leviticus being the 2 biggest offenders). If there were any consistency at all in interpretation (I mean among a single sect, not between different denominations) I'd find the whole thing more respectable. The tax-exempt status of religion in the US gets my goat more than anything but that's more for another rant. Finally, my feelings on that guy being expelled from the league really depends on how consistently rules are applied. If he was removed for his paint scheme in the same spirit that keeps people from splashing swastikas or "Satan rocks!" all over their car, I don't really have a problem with it. Personally, if I were a league admin I'd let people use whatever they wanted regardless of how offensive, but I can understand people not feeling the same way. Jason

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> "In God We Trust ...." > > - U.S. Currency > > > "One nation, under God ...." > > - Pledge > > Q: According to American tradition what flag can be flown above > the Stars an Stripes. > > A: Chaplains Flag, when underway, during worship. aboard U.S. Navy > warships only. > > > > "... no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free > exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or > the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the > government for a redress of grievances. " > > - U.S. Constitution > > > " ...... Statesmen my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, > but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles > upon which freedom can securely stand ..." > > John Adams, 1776

<Snip a lot of reference material> This backs me up again. All these refer to the relationship of govt to citizens, not of citizens to citizens in private organizations. Of which a league would be one. -- Fester 'hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?'

Now follow closely here. I grew up in church, and though I know many are sincere in their beliefs, there are also a great many full of sheeat hypocrites who just can't seem to quit spouting religious nonsense. Take my job for example. Full of churchgoers who clutter the breakroom up with tracts, add to the noise pollution with their incessant religious debates, and more often than not are some of the laziest people I know. This is acceptable to the management of my company. While I certainly believe in God, I also realize the majority of these people are idiots. And many are vicious backstabbers. Now, one thing I feel strongly about is marijuana legalization. In the past I have enjoyed a taste of it, and if the opportunity presented itself right now, I would happily partake. Were I to begin sharing my strong opinions for legalization, not to mention my fondness for marijuana at work, however, I am sure I would have to endure the sort of alienation and persecution many believers only dream of. Hell, I would probably be on the list of people they want to get rid of, in spite of my outstanding work performance. Not only that, but people who feel differently about pot would soon get annoyed having to listen to me. So, I keep my opinions to myself. If you were sharing your convictions with your league, I do hope you weren't overly zealous about it. Nothing wrong with it mind you, but if you carry on about it all the time, you will annoy the hell out of people. And if it makes you feel any better, RASCAR paint regulations prohibit me from having a big pot leaf on the hood of my car. And naked women, which also arouse strong feelings deep within me. Anyhoo, that's my opinion. "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02...

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i

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> if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > Yankee1 (N1) > > >

LOL !!! This whole thread's getting funnier and funnier. Keep the wit flowing. P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for this, don't you ? "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:33:37 -0500, Uncle Fester > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Long logo there. Whatcha driving, a stretch limo? :-p > > I'm driving a hearse with the actual body of Christ inside. =p > > Jason

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> Forgetting all the bullcrap in this thread, I'm just wondering why the > subject is "ALL AMERICANS READ" ?? What does being an American have to > do with Jesus or a private racing league? Are ALL Americans Christian?? > > Just wondering > >

No kidding. For a minute there, I thought we were under another terror alert.

So you spent 23 years of your life defending the constitution, and now a league kicks you out, and their freedom to do so allows it... how ironic. "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pYq8a.322366$[email hidden]...

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> It is the right for freedom of expression, a concern to all > americans, hence the name of the thread. NOT just > a Christian issue. > > It doesnt matter what religion u are, YOU have the right to > express it. and so don't I. > > "Right to free speech" is in the constitution. > > If they didn't allow me in because i was black, people would freak. > > but discriminating against a christian is O.K. ? > > I tried several times to get a response in private email > with no luck, that is why I went public. As I have defended > OUR constitution for 23 years serving in the military I > take great offense to such a lame attitude towards it. > > > - Paul > >

In article <Y6y8a.293311$2H6.5168@sccrnsc04>, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yeah, but unlike me the wreckers were put on probation, the Christian >was just thrown out. You're assuming facts that are not in evidence. The guys who wrecked may have been Christian as well. Since you don't *know*, you can't assume you were thrown out just because you're a Christian... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Q9y8a.296902$tq4.6771@sccrnsc01>, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> writes: >I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free >speech, and religous freedom. I am not imposing my beliefs >on anyone, merely expecting no discrimination by expressing mine. And it's THEIR free speech to deny you access. By insisting on claiming discrimination, and stating that you wouldn't change your car's paint job, if you were in this league you would be in essence *forcing* them to read your 'message'. Don't they have a right to be free of your religious views? Maybe they don't WANT "Jesus Saves"(or whatever it was) in their face all the time... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <DUr8a.288112$SD6.14994@sccrnsc03>, "Paul D. Yuknis" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable > >throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last raceif > >you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spendhours > >on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup or do > >not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find another leagueto > >race in. > > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundredsof > laps... > > Eldred > -- Oh sure. Complain now. Just because his league would discriminate against you. ;o) Elrikk

So now you are certain your religious paint theme was the reason you were given the old heave-ho? "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q5y8a.296866$tq4.6792@sccrnsc01...

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> So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > > There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > about the story ask ... > > >

On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:37:15 GMT, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"In God We Trust" Added to US currency in 1956. >"One nation, under God ...." > >- Pledge Actually no, "under God" was added by Eisenhouer in the 50's. Before that, there was no mention of God in the pledge. >" ...... Statesmen my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, >but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles >upon which freedom can securely stand ..." > >John Adams, 1776 "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!" -- John Adams "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Article XI, ratified by the Senate and signed by John Adams >The Constitution of North Carolina, 1776: >The Constitution of Delaware, 1776: >The Constitution of New Jersey, 1776: I feel a lot better about living in Pennsylvania now, even with our archaic liquor laws and shops that close at noon on Sunday. Then again this state was founded by those fleeing religious persecution in England and was largely settled by Germans fleeing the same. Here are some nice quotes for you in return: "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." -- Thomas Paine "The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained." -- Thomas Jefferson "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -- James Madison "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." -- Ethan Allen "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." -- Benjamin Franklin Most of the founding fathers were atheists, agnostics, and gnostics. This is pretty well documented. George Washington (who, coincidentally, asked to not have clergy near his deathbed, fought for freedom from religious intolerance and persecution, and nominated a Universalist to an Army chaplain position) would be appalled by the governmental crusades for Judeo-Christianity that have occurred for the past 50 years. Jason

Well, you only got kicked out of a league, and though that sucks, it's not like they tacked you up on a cross or anything. "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y6y8a.293311$2H6.5168@sccrnsc04...

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> Yeah, but unlike me the wreckers were put on probation, the Christian > was just thrown out. > > - Paul > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <DUr8a.288112$SD6.14994@sccrnsc03>, "Paul D. Yuknis" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable > > >throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last

race > if > > >you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spend > hours > > >on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup ordo > > >not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find anotherleague

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> to > > >race in. > > > > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundreds > of > > laps... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:-1.680 > > MonsterRank: +334.169 > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

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> Paul D. Yuknis wrote: >> >> So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? >> >> There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question >> about the story ask ... > > Christians do it all the time. There's a small private college in > Spokane Washington, I can't remember the name (it's NOT Gonzaga, that > much I know.) Anyways, whenever they ran employment advertisements in > the Spokesman-Review, there was always a line in the ad that said > applicants had to have a personal relationship with god and jesus to be > considered. That qualifies as discrimination based on religion in my > book. > > Wally >

Wally? Are you a Spokanite too? Here I thought I was the only one in all of Eastern Washington that had time to waste on computer racin. dave (spokane is pronounced Spoe Can) henrie

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > Nope. But he was trying to inflame people into thinking "The Constitutionis > being trampled!" maybe with just a touch of "The Christians are being persecuted!" thrown in for good measure....

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> > Wally Mellish <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > > > Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > >> > >> So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > >> > >> There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > >> about the story ask ... > > > > Christians do it all the time. There's a small private college in > > Spokane Washington, I can't remember the name (it's NOT Gonzaga, that > > much I know.) Anyways, whenever they ran employment advertisements in > > the Spokesman-Review, there was always a line in the ad that said > > applicants had to have a personal relationship with god and jesus to be > > considered. That qualifies as discrimination based on religion in my > > book. > > > > Wally > > > > Wally? Are you a Spokanite too? Here I thought I was the only one in > all of Eastern Washington that had time to waste on computer racin. > dave (spokane is pronounced Spoe Can) henrie >

Nope, I'm not a Spokanite...but I wanted to be at one time. I had a subscription to the S-R for a couple of years. I managed to make more than a few trips out there, mostly for skiing at Schwietzer. The Spokane job market has always been pretty soft, even in good times. I suppose nowadays it's tits-up. To make a long story short, I could never get a job offer living 2,000 miles away, and I never had the courage to pack up my things and just move there hoping to get a job. Lovely city that Spoe Can!!! Wally

Amen brotha :)) "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0uz8a.157134$[email hidden]...

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> Now follow closely here. I grew up in church, and though I know many are > sincere in their beliefs, there are also a great many full of sheeat > hypocrites who just can't seem to quit spouting religious nonsense. > > Take my job for example. Full of churchgoers who clutter the breakroom up > with tracts, add to the noise pollution with their incessant religious > debates, and more often than not are some of the laziest people I know.

This > is acceptable to the management of my company. While I certainly believein > God, I also realize the majority of these people are idiots. And many are > vicious backstabbers. > > Now, one thing I feel strongly about is marijuana legalization. In thepast > I have enjoyed a taste of it, and if the opportunity presented itselfright > now, I would happily partake. Were I to begin sharing my strong opinionsfor > legalization, not to mention my fondness for marijuana at work, however, I > am sure I would have to endure the sort of alienation and persecution many > believers only dream of. Hell, I would probably be on the list of people > they want to get rid of, in spite of my outstanding work performance. Not > only that, but people who feel differently about pot would soon getannoyed > having to listen to me. So, I keep my opinions to myself. > > If you were sharing your convictions with your league, I do hope youweren't > overly zealous about it. Nothing wrong with it mind you, but if you carryon

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> about it all the time, you will annoy the hell out of people. > > And if it makes you feel any better, RASCAR paint regulations prohibit me > from having a big pot leaf on the hood of my car. And naked women, which > also arouse strong feelings deep within me. > > Anyhoo, that's my opinion. > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > To make a long story short: > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an

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> > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > asked > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > > >

It's probably not because of your specific religion, but your feeling the need to inject religion into an activity that is not related to religion. You're pissing in someone else's pool. It doesn't matter if it's green, blue, black, or orange piss. "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q5y8a.296866$tq4.6792@sccrnsc01...

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> So people have the right to discriminate based upon religion ? > > There is nothing more to the story, if u have a specific question > about the story ask ... > > > >

"Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Q9y8a.296902$tq4.6771@sccrnsc01... > I beg to differ, The constitution gives the right to free > speech, and religous freedom. I am not imposing my beliefs > on anyone, merely expecting no discrimination by expressing mine. > Your constitution gives you the right to set up your own server and create a web page with your beliefs for everyone to read. Your constitution also gives you the right to create your own NR2003 server and provide a forum for whatever fancy paint schemes you might like to admit. What your constitution does not guarantee is that a privately owned newspaper, web server, radio station, television station etc. has to provide a forum for your beliefs and views. I personally have nothing against your views, but as a Canadian it always amazes me that so many Americans don't understand their own constitution. Stephen

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> LOL !!! > > This whole thread's getting funnier and funnier. > Keep the wit flowing. > > P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for > this, don't you ?

No problem... http://www.thisistrue.com/goohf.html Jan. =---

Annoying. Thats it. Your just plain annoying, Paul. Maybe thats why they rid themselves of you. And when you asked about religion, thats why you got a smartass remark, because it was SO far away from the truth. Free speech is not a valid point here. When people get together in private clubs, they can make rules to hangout with whomever they choose. Those rules CAN include race, religion, gender, talent, intelligence (MENSA), body type (LITTLE PEOPLE OF AMERICA - 4'10 OR LESS) and other even more bizarre and ridiculous rules. It IS legal - Look at Augusta National, just to name one. By the same token they can rid themselves of anyone for any reason also. Whether that person is an outspoken religious fanatic who blames his problems on his love of religion or that person is just plain annoying, with or without the religion. It's their RIGHT! As the league moderater said - "Get a grip!" Let it go.

Race1530 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... [SNIP] Amen brother... a voice of reason ! Mikkel

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> > I personally have nothing against your views, but as a Canadian it > always amazes me that so many Americans don't understand their own > constitution. > > Stephen >

What? Learn and read that boring thing? All we have to know is Uncle Sam will take a good portion of our money, and screw our sons and daughters who 'think' they are learning of Goverment as interns in Washington DC. Then avoid "The Man" and his flashing red lights(actually the lights are blue but I wasn't sure If Euro's followed that convention) and you will be left alone. dave henrie

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> "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> > > > > I personally have nothing against your views, but as a Canadian it > > always amazes me that so many Americans don't understand their own > > constitution. > > > > Stephen > > > What? Learn and read that boring thing? All we have to know is Uncle > Sam will take a good portion of our money, and screw our sons and

daughters > who 'think' they are learning of Goverment as interns in Washington DC. > Then avoid "The Man" and his flashing red lights(actually the lights are > blue but I wasn't sure If Euro's followed that convention) and you will be > left alone. > dave henrie Well, they're red and blue back home in Canada, and blue in most of Europe. European police cars also have that nice eee-aaaaaaa-eeeeee-aaaaaa horn instead of a standard siren.

"This backs me up again. All these refer to the relationship of govt to > citizens, not of citizens to citizens in private organizations. Of > which a league would be one." I see, so the Govt. cant discriminate, but people can to their hearts content. Race, Gender, religion people can discriminate all they want. Make black people sit in the back of the bus, as long as the bus isnt owned and operated by the Govt. it's o.k. Don't hire a woman because she's a woman, and she can't do crap to you because your buisness is owned by you and not the Govt. You would be in court before you can say Freedom .... I believe your logic is some what flawed. - Paul "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > > "In God We Trust ...." > > > > - U.S. Currency > > > > > > "One nation, under God ...." > > > > - Pledge > > > > Q: According to American tradition what flag can be flown above > > the Stars an Stripes. > > > > A: Chaplains Flag, when underway, during worship. aboard U.S. Navy > > warships only. > > > > > > > > "... no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the

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> > the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the > > government for a redress of grievances. " > > > > - U.S. Constitution > > > > > > " ...... Statesmen my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, > > but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the

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> > upon which freedom can securely stand ..." > > > > John Adams, 1776 > > <Snip a lot of reference material> > > This backs me up again. All these refer to the relationship of govt to > citizens, not of citizens to citizens in private organizations. Of > which a league would be one. > > > -- > > Fester > > 'hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?' >

Good stuff Jason ! "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:37:15 GMT, "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"In God We Trust" > > Added to US currency in 1956. > > >"One nation, under God ...." > > > >- Pledge > > Actually no, "under God" was added by Eisenhouer in the 50's. Before > that, there was no mention of God in the pledge. > > >" ...... Statesmen my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, > >but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles > >upon which freedom can securely stand ..." > > > >John Adams, 1776 > > "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the > point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, > if there were no religion in it!" -- John Adams > > "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense > founded on the Christian Religion." - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, > Article XI, ratified by the Senate and signed by John Adams > > >The Constitution of North Carolina, 1776: > >The Constitution of Delaware, 1776: > >The Constitution of New Jersey, 1776: > > I feel a lot better about living in Pennsylvania now, even with our > archaic liquor laws and shops that close at noon on Sunday. Then > again this state was founded by those fleeing religious persecution in > England and was largely settled by Germans fleeing the same. > > Here are some nice quotes for you in return: > > "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the > Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the > Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those > churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I > disbelieve them all." -- Thomas Paine > > "The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to > every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the > mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an > artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit > everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and > introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which > flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of > a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the > Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that > nonsense can never be explained." -- Thomas Jefferson > > "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of > Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in > all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility > in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -- > James Madison > > "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." -- > Ethan Allen > > "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, > I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various > corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in > England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do > not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to > busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing > the Truth with less trouble." -- Benjamin Franklin > > Most of the founding fathers were atheists, agnostics, and gnostics. > This is pretty well documented. George Washington (who, > coincidentally, asked to not have clergy near his deathbed, fought for > freedom from religious intolerance and persecution, and nominated a > Universalist to an Army chaplain position) would be appalled by the > governmental crusades for Judeo-Christianity that have occurred for > the past 50 years. > > Jason

Paul D. Yuknis wrote: > I see, so the Govt. cant discriminate, but people can > to their hearts content. Race, Gender, religion people can discriminate > all they want. Make black people sit in the back of the > bus, as long as the bus isnt owned and operated by the > Govt. it's o.k. Bus systems are owned by either city or county govt & therefore bound by such rules. OTOH, can a taxi pass you by because of how he perceives you? You bet. And it's *STILL* not First Amendment rights you are speaking about with either the busses or a company hiring a woman. It's the 14th... > Don't hire a woman because she's a woman, and she can't do > crap to you because your buisness is owned by you and not > the Govt. A business is not a private organization. I don't have time right now, but just off the top of my head... Has the court ever ordered the KKK to admit black folks?? Your assertion of First Amendment rights violation falls on it's face. -- Fester 'First things first -- but not necessarily in that order' -- Dr Who

>This whole thread's getting funnier and funnier. >Keep the wit flowing. > >P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for this, don't you ? Naah - I've *already* lived in Detroit...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for >> this, don't you ? > >No problem... > >http://www.thisistrue.com/goohf.html I keep telling myself that I'm going to order some of Randy's cards someday...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundreds >of >> laps... >> >> Eldred >> -- > > >Oh sure. Complain now. > >Just because his league would discriminate against you. ;o) > >Elrikk

Well...this *affects* me.<g> I'm an atheist, so I wouldn't have to worry about the other things... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Well, you only got kicked out of a league, and though that sucks, it's not >like they tacked you up on a cross or anything. Ouch... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>"This backs me up again. All these refer to the relationship of govt to >> citizens, not of citizens to citizens in private organizations. Of >> which a league would be one." > > > >I see, so the Govt. cant discriminate, but people can >to their hearts content. Race, Gender, religion people can discriminate >all they want. Make black people sit in the back of the >bus, as long as the bus isnt owned and operated by the >Govt. it's o.k. > >Don't hire a woman because she's a woman, and she can't do >crap to you because your buisness is owned by you and not >the Govt. > >You would be in court before you can say Freedom .... > >I believe your logic is some what flawed.

Paul - If you were a league moderator, and someone wanted to join who was a devil worshipper, would you let him in? What if he was vocal about his religion, and denigrated your god? I don't think there's ANY law that would FORCE you to keep this person as a member. That seems to be what you're suggesting - that the league HAS to keep you as a member, and they're breaking a law if they don't. Honestly, I don't see why you're so gung-ho about this. It's a league for a freaking *computer game*! Find another league, move on, nothing more to see here... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi Paul! Hope all is well. Last I heard you were floating around near Hawaii? I was a teammate of yours for some time and I never even had an inkling of your strong religious beliefs. Not that I care one way or the other. More power to ya! My point here is you didn't preach to us on Team Tachyon so I would assume you didn't in this other league either. Mitch "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ray8a.296904$tq4.6540@sccrnsc01...

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> Hi MITCH !! Long time no see. > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bUr8a.1405$[email hidden]... > > Sometimes people just don't like others. The internet and especially > online > > racing amplifies this with obscurity. If people were face to face a lot > of > > the BS that goes on wouldn't. It's called respect, a thing of the

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> > Time to start running RASCAR on sat noon est Paul :-) > > > > OT: Religion > > The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000 years > ago > > is beyond me.. Hell they thought the world was flat, how can you put so > > much faith in a people that were so completely ignorant about so many > > things? 300 years ago they were burning innocent people at the stake > cause > > they are witches, yea, Ill follow the church... Or should I say > "Safe-House" > > for the child molesters of the world. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > > To make a long story short: > > > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an > open > > > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > > asked > > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I

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> > > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams

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> > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

simple change to " ALLAH SAVES SADDAM" Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02...

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> To make a long story short: > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > (my current LPI is 90+) > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an open > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i

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> if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > I would reccommend u do ! > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > Yankee1 (N1) > > >

All is well, hope u r the same. After a brief tour of Iraq, Australia, Korea, Japan, Okinawa, Bahrain, Kuwait, Thailand, etc. I am back in Florida. Mitch the point isnt religion, it's the freedom to express it. Big difference between Bible thumping and putting "Jesus" on your car. I'm not trying to push my beliefs, just wanted to have Jesus on my car. I don't think thats being preachy. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ndM8a.235$[email hidden]... > Hi Paul! Hope all is well. Last I heard you were floating around near > Hawaii? > > I was a teammate of yours for some time and I never even had an inklingof > your strong religious beliefs. Not that I care one way or the other.More > power to ya! My point here is you didn't preach to us on Team Tachyon soI

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> would assume you didn't in this other league either. > > Mitch > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ray8a.296904$tq4.6540@sccrnsc01... > > Hi MITCH !! Long time no see. > > > > > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bUr8a.1405$[email hidden]... > > > Sometimes people just don't like others. The internet and especially > > online > > > racing amplifies this with obscurity. If people were face to face a

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> > of > > > the BS that goes on wouldn't. It's called respect, a thing of the > past.. > > > Time to start running RASCAR on sat noon est Paul :-) > > > > > > OT: Religion > > > The idea that we base our beliefs on an individual that lived 2000

years > > ago > > > is beyond me.. Hell they thought the world was flat, how can you putso

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> > > much faith in a people that were so completely ignorant about so many > > > things? 300 years ago they were burning innocent people at the stake > > cause > > > they are witches, yea, Ill follow the church... Or should I say > > "Safe-House" > > > for the child molesters of the world. > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > > > To make a long story short: > > > > > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no

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> > > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an > > open > > > > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and

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> > > asked > > > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I > got: > > > > > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating

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> > > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams > online. > > > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah i thought about that, or how bout .... ACLU ROCKS ! or KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION or SOCIALIST ON BOARD or DRINK AND DRIVE ....... I DO ! or CPU PAID FOR BY WELFARE (too long i guess) or AL GORE, 2004 ! or UNDER GOD ....... NOT ! or SUPPORT BIN LADEN ......... BUY DOPE ! or HONK IF YOU LUV BILL ..... MONICA DID ! etc. etc. etc. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b40phn$tgi$[email hidden]...

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> simple > change to " ALLAH SAVES SADDAM" > > > > Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... > > To make a long story short: > > > > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ > > > > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents > > (my current LPI is 90+) > > > > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was > > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because > > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an

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> > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i > asked > > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I got: > > > > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." > > > > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." > > > > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. > > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels > > they can crap on the constitution apparently. > > > > > > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why > > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. > > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > > > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams online. > > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION > > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site > > I would reccommend u do ! > > > > > > http://www.teamflm.com/ > > > > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) > > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) > > Yankee1 (N1) > > > > > > > >

Be thankful you were not thrown in with the lions... "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Y6y8a.293311$2H6.5168@sccrnsc04...

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> Yeah, but unlike me the wreckers were put on probation, the Christian > was just thrown out. > > - Paul > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <DUr8a.288112$SD6.14994@sccrnsc03>, "Paul D. Yuknis" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Drivers that came to the race unprepared and solo spun or were unstable > > >throughout the race, are on notice that Las Vegas will be your last

race > if > > >you don't put some practice time in. We have drivers here that spend > hours > > >on their setups. If you have not put time into a fully tested setup ordo > > >not have time in your schedule to do so, then please find anotherleague

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> to > > >race in. > > > > Well, that's a bit harsh. It's easy to spin even if you've run hundreds > of > > laps... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:-1.680 > > MonsterRank: +334.169 > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

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> ACLU ROCKS ! > KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION > SOCIALIST ON BOARD > DRINK AND DRIVE ....... I DO ! > CPU PAID FOR BY WELFARE (too long i guess) > AL GORE, 2004 ! > UNDER GOD ....... NOT ! > SUPPORT BIN LADEN ......... BUY DOPE ! > HONK IF YOU LUV BILL ..... MONICA DID ! > All i wanted was an explanation.

You're a pro-life, bible bashing, right wing nutter? Where's NRA 4 EVA? ;-) Seriously, I look after the cars in our league. I'm pretty relaxed (check out our #81). In the name of tongue-in-cheek humour I would allow many of the above. In the name of tolerance I would allow Jesus Saves, but if you had "KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION" or "SUPPORT BIN LADEN ......... BUY DOPE !" I'd be very close to saying feck off and don't come back. The other admins being a bit more level headed might merely insist on a paint-job change and give me a kick up the arse, but if it were solely my decision, you'd be outta there. If you push the wrong buttons, people will go ape-shit. Problem is you don't know what those buttons are until they're pushed. I guess "Jesus Saves" pushed them for your league's authority. Regards, Mark http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/

"You're a pro-life, bible bashing, right wing nutter?" GUILTY, although i don't "Bible bash" Relationships between people and God, are just that. Again, this isnt a religion issue, it's a freedom of expression issue. I don't slam athiest for being athiest, I just want the same courtesy in return. "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Paul D. Yuknis" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<kMS8a.344812$be.317934@rwcrnsc53>...

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> > ACLU ROCKS ! > > KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION > > SOCIALIST ON BOARD > > DRINK AND DRIVE ....... I DO ! > > CPU PAID FOR BY WELFARE (too long i guess) > > AL GORE, 2004 ! > > UNDER GOD ....... NOT ! > > SUPPORT BIN LADEN ......... BUY DOPE ! > > HONK IF YOU LUV BILL ..... MONICA DID ! > > > All i wanted was an explanation. > > You're a pro-life, bible bashing, right wing nutter? Where's NRA 4 > EVA? ;-) > > Seriously, I look after the cars in our league. I'm pretty relaxed > (check out our #81). In the name of tongue-in-cheek humour I would > allow many of the above. In the name of tolerance I would allow Jesus > Saves, but if you had "KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION" or "SUPPORT BIN > LADEN ......... BUY DOPE !" I'd be very close to saying feck off and > don't come back. The other admins being a bit more level headed might > merely insist on a paint-job change and give me a kick up the arse, > but if it were solely my decision, you'd be outta there. > > If you push the wrong buttons, people will go ape-shit. Problem is > you don't know what those buttons are until they're pushed. I guess > "Jesus Saves" pushed them for your league's authority. > > Regards, > > Mark > http://www.markdavison.clara.net/OVAL/

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Agreed. I wouldn't want to hang around with people who didn't want me > around. Got better things to do with my time. And yet.......:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > LOL !!! > > This whole thread's getting funnier and funnier. > Keep the wit flowing. > > P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for this, don't you ?

Yeah, but imagine the party we'll throw down there :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Paul D. Yuknis" wrote: > > SOCIALIST ON BOARD I gotta remember this one :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> > jon wrote: > >>LOL !!! >> >>This whole thread's getting funnier and funnier. >>Keep the wit flowing. >> >>P.S. You do realize you are all going to hell for this, don't you ? > > > Yeah, but imagine the party we'll throw down there :-)

Heaven won't have us, & hell is afraid we'll take over! -- Fester Error in operator: add beer

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> > Uncle Fester wrote: > >>Agreed. I wouldn't want to hang around with people who didn't want me >>around. Got better things to do with my time. > > > And yet.......:-)

Anybody hear anything? :-) -- Fester A husband is what is left of a man after the nerve is extracted.

Uncle Fester wrote: > > Heaven won't have us, & hell is afraid we'll take over! Yeah, I imagine it'll be pretty crowded down there, ROFL, imagine the faces of the Christians if the Muslims are the ones who have gotten it right :-) I believe there's a Rowan Atkinson skit about this btw, I wonder if it's available for DL somewhere, time to fire up WinMX Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 00:51:28 GMT, Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Yeah i thought about that, or how bout .... > > ACLU ROCKS ! > > or > > KILL BABIES: PRO ABORTION > > or > > SOCIALIST ON BOARD > > or > > DRINK AND DRIVE ....... I DO ! > > or > > CPU PAID FOR BY WELFARE (too long i guess) > > or > > AL GORE, 2004 ! > > or > > UNDER GOD ....... NOT ! > > or > > SUPPORT BIN LADEN ......... BUY DOPE ! > > or > > HONK IF YOU LUV BILL ..... MONICA DID ! > > > etc. > > etc. > > etc. > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b40phn$tgi$[email hidden]... >> simple >> change to " ALLAH SAVES SADDAM" >> >> >> >> Paul D. Yuknis <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:BBf8a.283725$iG3.33965@sccrnsc02... >> > To make a long story short: >> > >> > Recently i joined a league RSR PRO CUP http://www.teamrsr.com/ >> > >> > I was dropped after 2 races (12th and 7th finishes) with no incidents >> > (my current LPI is 90+) >> > >> > When asking [email hidden] The league admin, why i was >> > dropped 3 times I got no response. My wife suggested it was because >> > my car had "Jesus Saves" as the sponsor. I doubted this, but kept an > open >> > mind, when i continued to ask for the reason why i was dropped, and i >> asked >> > if it was because I had "Jesus" on my car these are the responses I >> got: >> > >> > "What do you want Tarrant, your money back? Get a grip." >> > >> > "Ok, here's my opinion........follow closely now. GOODBYE TARRANT." >> > >> > It would seem that "Jesus" is not allowed in the RSR PRO CUP. >> > It shouldn't take a Christian to be upset about this, RSR feels >> > they can crap on the constitution apparently. >> > >> > >> > I would ask that you support me in encouraging TeamRSR in stating why >> > I was dropped from this league if not for having "Jesus" on my car. >> > >> > All i wanted was an explanation. >> > >> > They use the server of team FLM, one of the most respected teams >> online. >> > I AM SENDING FLM A COPY OF THIS FOR THEIR EVALUATION >> > I DO NOT HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE. If u havnt been to their site >> > I would reccommend u do ! >> > >> > >> > http://www.teamflm.com/ >> > >> > - Tarrant (N4 - N2K3) >> > P_Yuknis (N2 - N3) >> > Yankee1 (N1) >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >

Been reading this whole thread, and to my surprise many of the americans on this thread dont have a clue about ur own constitution - as pointed out by a canadian earlier on. However. If i ran a league and a guy who had to write "Jesus saves" on the side of his car entered, i prolly would have leaved u alone. I would have been sick every time i saw ur car though. Theres something about u self-righteous (that´s how many of u seem to be to me, anyway) christians spreading the word - even to people who havent asked for it. If I want to embrace Big J ill read the book, ok? -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

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> > Yeah, I imagine it'll be pretty crowded down there, ROFL, imagine the > faces of the Christians if the Muslims are the ones who have gotten it > right :-) > > I believe there's a Rowan Atkinson skit about this btw, I wonder if it's > available for DL somewhere, time to fire up WinMX

Hello, nice to see you all again. Now, as the more perceptive of you have probably realised by now, this is Hell, and I am the Devil. Good evening. You can call me Toby, if you like - we try and keep things informal here, as well as infernal. That's just a little joke. Now, you're all here for eternity, which I hardly need tell you is a sod of a long time, so you get to know everyone pretty well by the end, but for now I'm going to have to split you up into groups. Are there any questions? Yes? Um, no, I'm afraid we don't have any toilets... if you'd read your Bible you would have seen that it was damnation without relief. So, if you didn't go before you came then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy yourself very much... but then, I believe that's the idea. Right, let's split you up then. Can you all hear me still? CAN YOU HEAR ME AT THE BACK? All right, off we go... Murderers, over here. Looters and pillagers - over there please, thieves if you could join them, and bank managers... Fornicators, if you could step forward - my God there are a lot of you. Could I split you up into adulterers and the rest? Adulterers if you could just form a line in front of that small guillotine there. Okay... Americans, are you here? Look, I'm sorry about this, apparently God had some fracas with your founding fathers and damned the entire race into perpetuity. He sends particular condolences to the Mormons who He realises put in a lot of work. That's the way the wafer crumbles. The Iranians, I'm afraid, can't be with us - someone's been holding them in purgatory for about nine months. Sodomites, over there against the wall. Atheists! Atheists? Over here please. You must be feeling a right bunch of charlies. Okay, and Christians! Christians? Ah yes, I'm sorry, I'm afraid the Jews were right. Okay, Moonies, maniacs, marmite eaters, male models, masochists, mass murderers and masseurs, if you could take a pew at the back - with the Methodists that is. Now, you're the lot who used to kill whales, is that right? Ah, yes, I must remember - I've got some strips to tear off you bastards later. Everyone who saw Monty Python's "Life of Brian" - I'm afraid He can't take a joke after all. Alright now, one final thing. We're trying to implement some kind of exchange scheme with the Lord God Almighty, or Cliff as we know him. Some of you will travel up and have a decade in heaven and we're having some angels down here. Now, I hardly need tell you that in heaven you will be expected to behave in an exemplary manner, so I hope you will do the exact opposite - tear off their wings, use their haloes for frisbee practice, that sort of thing. Well, I have to go now, unfortunately, but Beelzebub here will show you the ropes ... and the chains, and electrodes. I'd just like to leave you with a favorite joke of mine, if I may. Quite apt to the circumstances, I think. It goes something like this: Knock, knock! Who's there? Death. Death wh...! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Goy, where would Adam and Jong fit in? :-) Pete "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Hello, nice to see you all again. > > Now, as the more perceptive of you have probably realised by now, this > is Hell, and I am the Devil. Good evening. You can call me Toby, if you > like - we try and keep things informal here, as well as infernal. That's > just a little joke. > > Now, you're all here for eternity, which I hardly need tell you is a sod > of a long time, so you get to know everyone pretty well by the end, but > for now I'm going to have to split you up into groups. > > Are there any questions? Yes? > > Um, no, I'm afraid we don't have any toilets... if you'd read your Bible > you would have seen that it was damnation without relief. So, if you > didn't go before you came then I'm afraid you're not going to enjoy > yourself very much... but then, I believe that's the idea. > > Right, let's split you up then. > > Can you all hear me still? > > CAN YOU HEAR ME AT THE BACK? > > All right, off we go... > > Murderers, over here. Looters and pillagers - over there please, thieves > if you could join them, and bank managers... > > Fornicators, if you could step forward - my God there are a lot of you. > Could I split you up into adulterers and the rest? Adulterers if you > could just form a line in front of that small guillotine there. > > Okay... > > Americans, are you here? Look, I'm sorry about this, apparently God had > some fracas with your founding fathers and damned the entire race into > perpetuity. He sends particular condolences to the Mormons who He > realises put in a lot of work. That's the way the wafer crumbles. The > Iranians, I'm afraid, can't be with us - someone's been holding them in > purgatory for about nine months. > > Sodomites, over there against the wall. > > Atheists! Atheists? Over here please. You must be feeling a right bunch > of charlies. > > Okay, and Christians! Christians? Ah yes, I'm sorry, I'm afraid the Jews > were right. > > Okay, Moonies, maniacs, marmite eaters, male models, masochists, mass > murderers and masseurs, if you could take a pew at the back - with the > Methodists that is. > > Now, you're the lot who used to kill whales, is that right? Ah, yes, I > must remember - I've got some strips to tear off you bastards later. > > Everyone who saw Monty Python's "Life of Brian" - I'm afraid He can't > take a joke after all. > > Alright now, one final thing. We're trying to implement some kind of > exchange scheme with the Lord God Almighty, or Cliff as we know him. > Some of you will travel up and have a decade in heaven and we're having > some angels down here. Now, I hardly need tell you that in heaven you > will be expected to behave in an exemplary manner, so I hope you will do > the exact opposite - tear off their wings, use their haloes for frisbee > practice, that sort of thing. > > Well, I have to go now, unfortunately, but Beelzebub here will show you > the ropes ... and the chains, and electrodes. > > I'd just like to leave you with a favorite joke of mine, if I may. Quite > apt to the circumstances, I think. It goes something like this: > > Knock, knock! > > Who's there? > > Death. > > Death wh...! > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Pete wrote: > > Goy, where would Adam and Jong fit in? :-) With the Iranians in purgatory.....? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" wrote... > <snip> > With the Iranians in purgatory.....? Doesn't katholic church say the "weak of mind" can not sin? -That's puts them in heaven. <g> Jan. =---

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Yeah, but the Jews are the ones got it right, remember ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

LOL "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > With the Iranians in purgatory.....? > > > > Doesn't katholic church say the "weak of mind" can not sin? -That's puts > > them in heaven. <g> > > Yeah, but the Jews are the ones got it right, remember ? :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > "goyl at nettx dot no" > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

>spreading the word - even to people who havent asked for it Isn't that what advertising is all about? ;-)

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> > My donkey is just fine thank you. > > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Paul D. Yuknis" wrote: > > > > > > To make a long story short: > > > > Bloody bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

There I was hoping along, minding my own business... You have no idea what I'm referring to, do you?

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> My donkey is just fine thank you. > > > To make a long story short: > > ***y bible bashers...worse than donkey owners!

There I was hoping along, minding my own business... You have no idea what I'm referring to, do you?

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> > What does the constitution have to do with it? It's a private league > run on a private(for all intents and purposes) server. They can do > whatever they want, for whatever REASON they want... > Sorry, but you're crying 'foul' for the wrong reasons. I also tend to > think there's more to this than you're sharing. The average person > who was offended by your 'sponsor' would have just asked you to remove > it first. The fact that they ignored you, then gave a cryptic answer > sounds a bit fishy. > > Eldred

I think this is one of those repeated posts,...but Eldred is right...they can do just about anything they want...but the ADULT thing to do would be to give you a clear reason. Of course YOU can also do just about anything you want, even so far as to create websites that criticize the management of said league..but that's not the Christian way is it? off topic... Ya know we see all this anger between Muslims and...well just about everyone else...but I always remember that classic religious movie Romancing the STone II(the Jewel of the Nile) Those Sufi Muslims seemed to be pretty dang nice fellows...I'd join that sect but I cain't juggle. (how did I get on this topic?: The line I ended the first part with...the Christian way...reminded me of the line from the move.."Thats not the Sufi way...") whew...the mind wanders doesn't it? dave henrie

>(how did I get on this topic?: The line I ended the first part with...the >Christian way...reminded me of the line from the move.."Thats not the Sufi >way...") > whew...the mind wanders doesn't it? Mmmm...Kathleen Turner... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-1.680 MonsterRank: +334.169 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.