RASCAR: Daytona Speeds

Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup. If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup. I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

In article <u_x1a.11863$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d > The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup. > If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup. > I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo. > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it.

Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. --------------------------------------------------------------- gack! I'm going to have to find 2 seconds somewhere. Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League CORS RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

I just did some laps in testing and my times are: Fast 48.644 Jasper 49.036 In traffic with AI at 101% and fast setup 45.194 At even 100%, and starting at the back of the field, the field just pulls away from me when I use the Jasper setup. Can't even stay with them. With the fast setup, I can start at the back and slowly pick my way through towards the front. Huge difference. Are you sure you did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup alone in testing? The fast setup was a couple of mph faster all around the track than the Jasper setup in testing for me. Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but I'd still prefer the fast setup myself. David G Fisher "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. > > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. > > Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

As I said to John, I didn't feel any push in the Jasper setup at all. Stuck it right on the low line with no problem. Strange how these setups feel different to people. I still prefer the fast setup though. To be honest, if we can't have a good race at Daytona in RASCAR with the fast setup then it's because of the drivers, not the setup (of course that now means I'll do something completely boneheaded on Sat.). David G Fisher "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u_x1a.11863$[email hidden]... I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup. If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup. I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The Jasper Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unless you are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can use that in real life. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. >

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> I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The Jasper > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unless you > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can use > that in real life. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. > > > > >

I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges. With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI. We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one setup, and some running another, and then compare.

RE: Jasper setups: > > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > > > > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. From the Jasper-guiide on the CD (dont ask!): "In NASCAR Racing 2003 Season, you'll find a "Jasper" setup for each track. These setups come largely from the last couple of years of our race shop. They are representative of current setup thinking in Winston Cup racing. I' ve modified them somewhat so that I'm not 'selling the farm" on our best Ideas. I've also tested each of them for drivability in your game. I do not consider them "optimum"setups for the game; they're simply representative of what a real team might plausibly run." -- ed_

ZZ Busch wrote: > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. > > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. > The draft is ferocious in this version. At 60 degrees and sunny, 198 MPH laps are common at Daytona, while last year it was more like 192. And oh yeah everyone (AI) runs around in those big packs you see on TV-I had to quit a race last night because I just found it so mentally draining to run 2-3 wide for 50+ laps... John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

I did some more testing and lowered the lap times a bit. Fast 48582 Jasper 48984 I also tried Bob Stanley's setup and did a 48485. They are here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davegf/ if someone wants to take a look. The Jasper and BS setups handle a bit better than the fast setup, but the Jasper is much slower than the fast and BS. John, if you definitely did a did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup in testing then please take a look and tell me what's going on. Don't see how you could be almost a second faster with that Jasper setup. BS's qualifying setup only does a 47.6 according to his notes (I did a 47.7 my first try with it). If the Jasper setup is faster than the fast setup then I'd definitely say let's use it for the RASCAR race. This shouldn't be news to anyone, but the best way to tell which one handles the best and is the most stable is to put on the ideal line and then try to straddle the line through the corners over 20 laps or so, then review the results in the replay. You've got proof then. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > I just did some laps in testing and my times are: > > Fast 48.644 > Jasper 49.036 > In traffic with AI at 101% and fast setup 45.194 > > At even 100%, and starting at the back of the field, the field just pulls > away from me when I use the Jasper setup. Can't even stay with them. With > the fast setup, I can start at the back and slowly pick my way through > towards the front. Huge difference. > > Are you sure you did a 48.018 with the Jasper setup alone in testing? The > fast setup was a couple of mph faster all around the track than the Jasper > setup in testing for me. > > Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the > Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No > push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but

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> still prefer the fast setup myself. > > David G Fisher > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. > > > > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. > > > > Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>. > >

John may be right, I may have had the default crap on, when I tested the Jasper setup. I can't remember, but it was when I first tried Daytona. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Unlike Tim though (if I read his post correctly), in testing I found the Jasper setup easier than the fast setup to place on the line and hold. No push at all. The Jasper setup would probably make for a safer race, but I'd still prefer the fast setup myself.

You must not have the same "I'll push your nose into the wall in a heartbeat" Jasper setup I have! Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. > > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. > > Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

I ran an online race fixed last night and the fixed setup felt pretty good. Unless it was modified. Larry "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u_x1a.11863$[email hidden]... I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats running the AI at 100%, 70d The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with the Jasper setup. If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a modified setup. I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in RASCAR imo. -- Tim White www.intracmotorsports.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>.

The Steering Ratio is user-controllable in fixed setups. Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b26k00$197dnh$[email hidden]... > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The Jasper > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unlessyou

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> are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can use > that in real life. > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. > > > >

John, I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper setup at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4. It will shove up into the wall almost every time. Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <b26k00$197dnh$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. TheJasper > > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unlessyou > > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they canuse

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> > that in real life. > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > > > > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. > > > > > > > > > > > I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are > on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges. > > With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the > Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how > comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability > of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI. > > We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one > setup, and some running another, and then compare.

Which brings me to my question earlier. Why did they bother? IMHO, the Jasper setups are a BAD idea unless we form a committe to tune them properly. In other words, FAST setups have worked fine for us in the past. We should stick with them. I'm ashamed to say I may have started this mess. I should have kept my mouth shut until I worked with them more. Sorry, guys :) Larry "Ed Solheim" <edwins[_REMOVE_]@[ _THIS_]online.no> wrote in message news:rZC1a.20936$[email hidden]...

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> RE: Jasper setups: > > > > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > > > > > > > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. > > From the Jasper-guiide on the CD (dont ask!): > > "In NASCAR Racing 2003 Season, you'll find a "Jasper" setup for each

track. > These setups come largely from the last couple of years of our race shop. > They are representative of current setup thinking in Winston Cup racing.I' > ve modified them somewhat so that I'm not 'selling the farm" on our best > Ideas. I've also tested each of them for drivability in your game. I donot > consider them "optimum"setups for the game; they're simply representativeof > what a real team might plausibly run." > > -- > ed_ > >

Dave, Try this experiment. Load up a 42 car field. Set the AI to 98 or 99. Do not qual, and start the race from the back. You'll push up into the wall before 5 laps are over. This setup is NASTY in traffic guys. Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > As I said to John, I didn't feel any push in the Jasper setup at all.Stuck

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> it right on the low line with no problem. Strange how these setups feel > different to people. I still prefer the fast setup though. > > To be honest, if we can't have a good race at Daytona in RASCAR with the > fast setup then it's because of the drivers, not the setup (of course that > now means I'll do something completely boneheaded on Sat.). > > David G Fisher > > "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:u_x1a.11863$[email hidden]... > I've been able to hit low 45s in the draft, using the fast setup. Thats > running the AI at 100%, 70d > The big difference between these two setups is the push in the turns with > the Jasper setup. > If the Fast setup is too loose we can either lower the temp, or run a > modified setup. > I know how you feel about that but that Jasper setup will reek havoc in > RASCAR imo. > > -- > Tim White > www.intracmotorsports.com > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Using the Jasper setup, and in the draft. I was getting 46.2xx. > > Alone on the track, I got a 48.018 after running five laps. > > Eldred - we may have to use the Jasper setups instead of <fast>. > >

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> John, > > I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper setup > at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4. > > It will shove up into the wall almost every time. >

Then you're not doing it right. :)

I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the wall in t4. Brian Oster On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:31:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>John, > >I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper setup >at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4. > >It will shove up into the wall almost every time. > >Larry > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <b26k00$197dnh$[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] says... >> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The >Jasper >> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, unless >you >> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can >use >> > that in real life. >> > >> > >> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > >> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. >> > > >> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are >> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges. >> >> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the >> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how >> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability >> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI. >> >> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one >> setup, and some running another, and then compare. >

Is the push in testing or in a race? David G Fisher "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > wall in t4. > > Brian Oster > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:31:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >John, > > > >I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper

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> >at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4. > > > >It will shove up into the wall almost every time. > > > >Larry > > > >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> In article <b26k00$197dnh$[email hidden]>, > >> [email hidden] says... > >> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The > >Jasper > >> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good,

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> >you > >> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can > >use > >> > that in real life. > >> > > >> > > >> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> > > > >> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. > >> > > > >> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are > >> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges. > >> > >> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the > >> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how > >> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability > >> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI. > >> > >> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one > >> setup, and some running another, and then compare. > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > wall in t4. It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed to the wall... Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on our site.

Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming it Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or are they used from clients box? "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > > wall in t4. > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed > to the wall... > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > our site. > >

You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup on their system they want for a race. Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Beu2a.59$[email hidden]... > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renamingit

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> Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or are > they used from clients box? > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and > > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > > > wall in t4. > > > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed > > to the wall... > > > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > > our site. > > > > > >

Maybe this is why I had such a bad experience at Atlanta using the servers Fixed setup. In fact it wasn't only me, everyone had difficulty turning even a single lap and bailed. Now Im curious, later Ill go offline at Atlanta and check it out. Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bhw2a.33092$[email hidden]...

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> You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup on > their system they want for a race. > > Larry > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Beu2a.59$[email hidden]... > > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming > it > > Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or

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> > they used from clients box? > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out

of > > > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > > > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god)and

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> > > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > > > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > > > > wall in t4. > > > > > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > > > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed > > > to the wall... > > > > > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > > > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > > > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > > > our site. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sometimes when I'm suspicous of a fixed setup, I'll actually save it under a new name (you can do that) and then later compare it to the true FAST setup in the game. When running a fixed race, all it says is "FIXED SETUP" in the Garage. You never really know what the setup is actually from. Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TRw2a.118$[email hidden]...

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> Maybe this is why I had such a bad experience at Atlanta using the servers > Fixed setup. In fact it wasn't only me, everyone had difficulty turning > even a single lap and bailed. Now Im curious, later Ill go offline at > Atlanta and check it out. > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bhw2a.33092$[email hidden]... > > You don't even have to do that. The server host can specify any setup

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> > their system they want for a race. > > > > Larry > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Beu2a.59$[email hidden]... > > > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by

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> > it > > > Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or > are > > > they used from clients box? > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > > bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > > > > I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out > of > > > > > t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into

the > > > > > wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) > and > > > > > was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > > > > > running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock downthe > > > > > wall in t4. > > > > > > > > It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > > > > will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid beingveclroed

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> > > > to the wall... > > > > > > > > Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > > > > everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > > > > top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > > > > our site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Actually, the server can select any setup file on his system as the fixed setup, and everyone gets it downloaded to them when they connect. In article <Beu2a.59$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Cant the admin of the server use another setup for fast just by renaming it > Fast? Are the fixed setups vended by the server prior to the race or are > they used from clients box? >

In a race. On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:59:02 -0500, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Is the push in testing or in a race? > >David G Fisher > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of >> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the >> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and >> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider >> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the >> wall in t4. >> >> Brian Oster >> >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:31:51 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >John, >> > >> >I have all that stuff turned off and at least on my system the Jasper >setup >> >at Daytona is almost undriveable, especially out of turn 4. >> > >> >It will shove up into the wall almost every time. >> > >> >Larry >> > >> >"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> In article <b26k00$197dnh$[email hidden]>, >> >> [email hidden] says... >> >> > I don't think you want to commit totally to the Jasper setups. The >> >Jasper >> >> > Watkins Glen set up has something like 28:1 steering. Not good, >unless >> >you >> >> > are a joystick user or something. I find it hard to believe they can >> >use >> >> > that in real life. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> > news:[email hidden]... >> >> > > >> >> > > I don't have a problem with the jasper setups. >> >> > > >> >> > > Whatever we do, we should pick it and stick with it. >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> I think I know what the problem is. By default, the driving aids are >> >> on. I think we're comparing apples and oranges. >> >> >> >> With anti-lock brakes, steering assist, and stability control ON, the >> >> Jasper setup pushes (and only a little). I don't really see how >> >> comparing speeds against the AI is a valid comment on the viability >> >> of a setup. We won't be racing against the AI. >> >> >> >> We REALLY need to run a practice race with some people running one >> >> setup, and some running another, and then compare. >> > >> >

No problem. I realize the problems of trying to switch setups at the last minute. Some people might find Bob's setups a little too loose or unstable anyway... I love his Daytona setup, does not push at all, but you have to be careful with it. Brian On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:02:07 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... >> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of >> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the >> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and >> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider >> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the >> wall in t4. > >It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone >will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed >to the wall... > >Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that >everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On >top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on >our site.

I'm with you Brian, I really like Bob's Daytona setup. Like it's on a rail compared to Fast but if you do pull hard left for whatever reason she will get really loose. Gearing kind of odd for me but I can tweak to my likes. Hopefully the inside line outta 4 will give room to the guys on the outside. Mitch "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> No problem. I realize the problems of trying to switch setups at the > last minute. Some people might find Bob's setups a little too loose > or unstable anyway... I love his Daytona setup, does not push at all, > but you have to be careful with it. > > Brian > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:02:07 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > >bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > >> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > >> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > >> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god) and > >> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > >> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > >> wall in t4. > > > >It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > >will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed > >to the wall... > > > >Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > >everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > >top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > >our site. >

The gearing is the one part of the Jasper Daytona setup that feels pretty good. Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7uH2a.219$%[email hidden]... > I'm with you Brian, I really like Bob's Daytona setup. Like it's on arail > compared to Fast but if you do pull hard left for whatever reason she will > get really loose. Gearing kind of odd for me but I can tweak to my likes. > > Hopefully the inside line outta 4 will give room to the guys on theoutside.

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> > Mitch > > "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > No problem. I realize the problems of trying to switch setups at the > > last minute. Some people might find Bob's setups a little too loose > > or unstable anyway... I love his Daytona setup, does not push at all, > > but you have to be careful with it. > > > > Brian > > > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:02:07 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>, > > >bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com says... > > >> I found both the jasper and the fast setup to push like a tank out of > > >> t4. Seriously, it pushed from lap 1 and would go straight into the > > >> wall. Finally found Bob Stanley's setups (the man is a setup god)

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> > >> was finally able to hold a line. I think RASCAR should consider > > >> running his setup for Daytona, otherwise we are going knock down the > > >> wall in t4. > > > > > >It's too late to switch for this weekend's race. I guess everyone > > >will have to just slow down coming off turn 4 to avoid being veclroed > > >to the wall... > > > > > >Until we have a single place to get the setuups from (so that > > >everyone gets the same version of the setups), we can't switch. On > > >top of that, we have to get Bob's permission to post his setups on > > >our site. > > > >