NR2003 - Damage Model

Well, if you wanted higher damage levels and damage after lighter contact, you got it :) You can't even _brush_ the wall at Daytona without raising up the right side of the hood and dropping speed. Doesn't bother me, but some folks are gonna have FITS with this new damage model. Good :) Larry

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> Well, if you wanted higher damage levels and damage after lighter > contact, you got it :) > > You can't even _brush_ the wall at Daytona without raising up the > right side of the hood and dropping speed. > > Doesn't bother me, but some folks are gonna have FITS with this new > damage model. > > Good :) > > Larry

What is nice is if you get some serious damage, ain't no amount of repair in the pits going to bring you back up to speed, at least from what I have seen so far. I was running Lowe's, banged up my rear end, and after fixin ( notice the use here Eldred:) ), it up, I was still not up to speed and the ai were blowing me away. Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :). -- Don Burnette

I do still think that additive repairs are an important aspect that is missing from the game. Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: > > Well, if you wanted higher damage levels and damage after lighter > > contact, you got it :) > > > > You can't even _brush_ the wall at Daytona without raising up the > > right side of the hood and dropping speed. > > > > Doesn't bother me, but some folks are gonna have FITS with this new > > damage model. > > > > Good :) > > > > Larry > > What is nice is if you get some serious damage, ain't no amount of repair

in > the pits going to bring you back up to speed, at least from what I haveseen

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> so far. > I was running Lowe's, banged up my rear end, and after fixin ( notice the > use here Eldred:) ), it up, I was still not up to speed and the ai were > blowing me away. > Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :). > > > > -- > Don Burnette > >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :) Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That's my prediction. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <3fk0a.109630$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >Doesn't bother me, but some folks are gonna have FITS with this new damage >model. All together now: AWWWWWWWWW..... <g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also still do not care if they wreck you !! Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first race online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnable jasper setup I'm gonna scream.... "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :) > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That's my > prediction. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > MonsterRank: +339.873 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to finish one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on purpose or through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers and it gets pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'd just gotten taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old quick. It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of why online racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the lines of Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If people were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline that could be a server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of that would be solved. It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; it's the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and bail for the next race, right foot planted. Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) SB "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02...

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> Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also still > do not care if they wreck you !! > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first race > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnable jasper > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :) > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That's my > > prediction. > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

Hear hear !! Got took out today by one of those idiots who goes three wide right after the start. He wedged himself in between me and the car in the low line leaving me nowhere to go but into the wall and then up in the air once the low car drifted him into me. Asked him about it in the lobby and his reply was something along the lines of "Not my fault bro. Guy on the inside hit me" Fool. "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to finish > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on purpose or > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers and it gets > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'd justgotten > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old quick. > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of why online > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the linesof > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If people > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline that could bea

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> server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of that > would be solved. > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; it's > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and bail for > the next race, right foot planted. > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > SB > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02... > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also

still > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first race > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnablejasper

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> > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :) > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That's my > > > prediction. > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

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> > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > >

Speaking of rankings... Anyone else dissapointed that they STILL have not incorporated the tracking of Wins, Top 5's, Top 10's and Poles like NROS did? If they can track what the are tracking, it would seem to me that this would be a piece of cake. Larry "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to finish > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on purpose or > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers and it gets > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'd justgotten > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old quick. > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of why online > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the linesof > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If people > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline that could bea

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> server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of that > would be solved. > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; it's > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and bail for > the next race, right foot planted. > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > SB > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02... > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also

still > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first race > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnablejasper

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> > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some :) > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That's my > > > prediction. > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

beats

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> > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > >

Or the ultimate, over-used excuse. "Sorry. Warp". Sets my bullshit meter right off. Larry "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bKG0a.5574$Xi7.2303@FE05...

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> Hear hear !! > > Got took out today by one of those idiots who goes three wide right after > the start. He wedged himself in between me and the car in the low line > leaving me nowhere to go but into the wall and then up in the air once the > low car drifted him into me. Asked him about it in the lobby and his reply > was something along the lines of > "Not my fault bro. Guy on the inside hit me" > > Fool. > > "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to

finish > > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on purpose or > > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers and itgets > > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'd just > gotten > > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old quick. > > > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of why online > > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along thelines > of > > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. Ifpeople > > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline that couldbe > a > > server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of that > > would be solved. > > > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem;it's > > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and bailfor

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> > the next race, right foot planted. > > > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > > > SB > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing > > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also > still > > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first race > > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnable > jasper > > > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online some

:) > > > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. That'smy

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> > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > -- > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then > beats > > > you > > > > with experience... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WKO0a.6450$[email hidden]...

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> Or the ultimate, over-used excuse. > > "Sorry. Warp". > > Sets my bullshit meter right off. > > Larry

You know why don't you Larry? WARP! Plain and simple. I mean if it's a warp it's a warp.. Yea I hate to hear it also but it happens ALL THE fn TIME! I know you've seen the replay triple header before?. The replay from the server is completely different than either driver which is also different from each other. And I mean REALLY different, to the extent of no one knowing for sure what happened. Thats why I get so po'd about racing incidents. If youre going to point a finger you better watch my replay, the server replay, and youre replay prior to stickin it out there. The warp will continue in N6 without question. Sometime in the future that will all change, just not today ;) And don't get me wrong about this, N6 has the best netcode out there for racing it's just not perfect by any means either. Mitch > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bKG0a.5574$Xi7.2303@FE05... > > Hear hear !! > > > > Got took out today by one of those idiots who goes three wide rightafter > > the start. He wedged himself in between me and the car in the low line > > leaving me nowhere to go but into the wall and then up in the air oncethe > > low car drifted him into me. Asked him about it in the lobby and hisreply > > was something along the lines of > > "Not my fault bro. Guy on the inside hit me" > > > > Fool. > > > > "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > > news:[email hidden]... > > > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to > finish > > > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on purposeor > > > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers and it > gets > > > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'd just > > gotten > > > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets oldquick.

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> > > > > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of why online > > > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the > lines > > of > > > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If > people > > > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline that could > be > > a > > > server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of

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> > > would be solved. > > > > > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; > it's > > > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and bail > for > > > the next race, right foot planted. > > > > > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > > > > > SB > > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02... > > > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours

racing > > > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also > > still > > > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my firstrace

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> > > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with that damnable > > jasper > > > > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online

some > :) > > > > > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care.That's

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> my > > > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > -- > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then > > beats > > > > you > > > > > with experience... > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

and warp and 3wide don't mix. Out of shame I am removing myself from this thread. Just played around with linearity settings and lost control on 2nd lap at dega. "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LaX0a.57$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WKO0a.6450$[email hidden]... > > Or the ultimate, over-used excuse. > > > > "Sorry. Warp". > > > > Sets my bullshit meter right off. > > > > Larry > > > You know why don't you Larry? WARP! Plain and simple. I mean if it's a > warp it's a warp.. Yea I hate to hear it also but it happens ALL THE fn > TIME! I know you've seen the replay triple header before?. The replay

from > the server is completely different than either driver which is also > different from each other. And I mean REALLY different, to the extent ofno > one knowing for sure what happened. Thats why I get so po'd about racing > incidents. If youre going to point a finger you better watch my replay,the > server replay, and youre replay prior to stickin it out there. The warp > will continue in N6 without question. Sometime in the future that willall > change, just not today ;) And don't get me wrong about this, N6 has the > best netcode out there for racing it's just not perfect by any meanseither. > > Mitch > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:bKG0a.5574$Xi7.2303@FE05...

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> > > Hear hear !! > > > > > > Got took out today by one of those idiots who goes three wide right > after > > > the start. He wedged himself in between me and the car in the low line > > > leaving me nowhere to go but into the wall and then up in the air once > the > > > low car drifted him into me. Asked him about it in the lobby and his > reply > > > was something along the lines of > > > "Not my fault bro. Guy on the inside hit me" > > > > > > Fool. > > > > > > "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to > > finish > > > > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on

purpose > or > > > > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers andit > > gets > > > > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'djust > > > gotten > > > > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old > quick. > > > > > > > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of whyonline > > > > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the > > lines > > > of > > > > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If > > people > > > > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline thatcould

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> > be > > > a > > > > server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of > that > > > > would be solved. > > > > > > > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; > > it's > > > > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and

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> > for > > > > the next race, right foot planted. > > > > > > > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > > > > > > > SB > > > > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02... > > > > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours > racing > > > > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they

also > > > still > > > > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > > > > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first > race > > > > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with thatdamnable

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> > > jasper > > > > > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online > some > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. > That's > > my > > > > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level,

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Because in a lot of cases I can see very clearly that it was NOT warp at all. It's become the ultimate scape goat for others screw ups. You can tell when warp really happens if you 've been around this game long enough. Of course it happens. It has happened to me. Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LaX0a.57$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WKO0a.6450$[email hidden]... > > Or the ultimate, over-used excuse. > > > > "Sorry. Warp". > > > > Sets my bullshit meter right off. > > > > Larry > > > You know why don't you Larry? WARP! Plain and simple. I mean if it's a > warp it's a warp.. Yea I hate to hear it also but it happens ALL THE fn > TIME! I know you've seen the replay triple header before?. The replay

from > the server is completely different than either driver which is also > different from each other. And I mean REALLY different, to the extent ofno > one knowing for sure what happened. Thats why I get so po'd about racing > incidents. If youre going to point a finger you better watch my replay,the > server replay, and youre replay prior to stickin it out there. The warp > will continue in N6 without question. Sometime in the future that willall > change, just not today ;) And don't get me wrong about this, N6 has the > best netcode out there for racing it's just not perfect by any meanseither. > > Mitch > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:bKG0a.5574$Xi7.2303@FE05...

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> > > Hear hear !! > > > > > > Got took out today by one of those idiots who goes three wide right > after > > > the start. He wedged himself in between me and the car in the low line > > > leaving me nowhere to go but into the wall and then up in the air once > the > > > low car drifted him into me. Asked him about it in the lobby and his > reply > > > was something along the lines of > > > "Not my fault bro. Guy on the inside hit me" > > > > > > Fool. > > > > > > "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > No kidding; I think it took about 10 open races before I managed to > > finish > > > > one without some crazies taking half the field out, either on

purpose > or > > > > through sheer incompetence. Throw in a dose of warping racers andit > > gets > > > > pretty frustrating. About 8 attempts in, my LPI was 2.8 and I'djust > > > gotten > > > > taken out again, this time *behind the pace car*. That gets old > quick. > > > > > > > > It's a moot point now, but a think another great example of whyonline > > > > racing sims need a "driver certification" tool; something along the > > lines > > > of > > > > Nascar Heat's "Beat the Heat", but less entertainment-oriented. If > > people > > > > were required to achieve some level of skill and discipline thatcould

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> > be > > > a > > > > server-option joining hurdle, ala ranking and LPI, I think most of > that > > > > would be solved. > > > > > > > > It's not people who try to but can't drive that are the big problem; > > it's > > > > the ones who don't even try - they just show up, wreak havoc and

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> > for > > > > the next race, right foot planted. > > > > > > > > Oh well; enough ranting. Back to working that LPI back up... ;-) > > > > > > > > SB > > > > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02... > > > > > Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours > racing > > > > > online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they

also > > > still > > > > > do not care if they wreck you !! > > > > > > > > > > Swear to God, if just one more baboon announces "this is my first > race > > > > > online w/ 2003" and then goes 3 wide in turn one with thatdamnable

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> > > jasper > > > > > setup I'm gonna scream.... > > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" > > > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Maybe that will help motivate drivers to drive cleaner online > some > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope - the ones that crash without caring STILL won't care. > That's > > my > > > > > > prediction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > > GPLRank:-0.381 > > > > > > MonsterRank: +339.873 > > > > > > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > > > > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level,

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"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BY_0a.10764$[email hidden]... > Because in a lot of cases I can see very clearly that it was NOT warp at > all. > > It's become the ultimate scape goat for others screw ups. > > You can tell when warp really happens if you 've been around this gamelong > enough. > If you've been around this game long enough you know that warping can make an opponents car appear to do anything, even what you consider "clearly not warp". You need to see their replay to see the situation they were presented with, and how they responded. In N2 (on TEN) I had two replays, both showed two cars side by side in the turn. On my replay I was the low car, On the other (from the other driver's computer), I was the car on the outside. Warp is evil.

Funny, I don't see Larry's reply but I do see it in Mike's. And... You can NEVER see what I see period. You may THINK you see, but you really don't see <g> (Obiwan maybe).. Say that twice fast, after 2 40's ;) Seriously though, you have to watch MY replay if you want any respect from me cause thats the nature of the beast. Don't accuse unless youre willing to watch it. No matter how long youre around this game for. And Ive been around since nearly the beginning, I still have my beta floppies for ICR, and the 486/20 I ran it on <g>. BTW Larry, If I fuk up YOU WILL see a *S* sometime during or after the race. Thats how you know it wasnt warp from me. I don't apologize when it's warp either. And Warp isn't an excuse it's reality. This stubbornness has costed me many times but hey, thats me and I dont really care if anyone likes it or not :) Like Rusty says "Im not here to make best freinds, Im here to RACE". Mitch "Mike White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rzf1a.6557$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BY_0a.10764$[email hidden]... > > Because in a lot of cases I can see very clearly that it was NOT warp at > > all. > > > > It's become the ultimate scape goat for others screw ups. > > > > You can tell when warp really happens if you 've been around this game > long > > enough. > > > > If you've been around this game long enough you know that warping can make > an opponents car appear to do anything, even what you consider "clearly

not > warp". > > You need to see their replay to see the situation they were presentedwith, > and how they responded. > > In N2 (on TEN) I had two replays, both showed two cars side by side in the > turn. On my replay I was the low car, On the other (from the otherdriver's > computer), I was the car on the outside. > > Warp is evil. > >

For christs sake I didn't say warp didn't happen. I just said it's used as a scape goat on line sometimes. Give me a break, please :) Larry "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Phh1a.1790$[email hidden]... > Funny, I don't see Larry's reply but I do see it in Mike's. > > And... > > You can NEVER see what I see period. You may THINK you see, but youreally

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> don't see <g> (Obiwan maybe).. Say that twice fast, after 2 40's ;) > Seriously though, you have to watch MY replay if you want any respect from > me cause thats the nature of the beast. Don't accuse unless youre willing > to watch it. No matter how long youre around this game for. And Ive been > around since nearly the beginning, I still have my beta floppies for ICR, > and the 486/20 I ran it on <g>. > > BTW Larry, If I fuk up YOU WILL see a *S* sometime during or after the

race. > Thats how you know it wasnt warp from me. I don't apologize when it'swarp

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> either. And Warp isn't an excuse it's reality. This stubbornness has > costed me many times but hey, thats me and I dont really care if anyone > likes it or not :) Like Rusty says "Im not here to make best freinds, Im > here to RACE". > > > Mitch > > > > > "Mike White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rzf1a.6557$[email hidden]... > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BY_0a.10764$[email hidden]... > > > Because in a lot of cases I can see very clearly that it was NOT warp

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> > > all. > > > > > > It's become the ultimate scape goat for others screw ups. > > > > > > You can tell when warp really happens if you 've been around this game > > long > > > enough. > > > > > > > If you've been around this game long enough you know that warping can

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> > an opponents car appear to do anything, even what you consider "clearly > not > > warp". > > > > You need to see their replay to see the situation they were presented > with, > > and how they responded. > > > > In N2 (on TEN) I had two replays, both showed two cars side by side in

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> > turn. On my replay I was the low car, On the other (from the other > driver's > > computer), I was the car on the outside. > > > > Warp is evil. > > > > > >

Break given. Smoke em if ya got em :) I was merely saying a single sided replay isn't a smoking gun. If online racers accepted this philosophy en masse we would all have a much more pleasant online racing experience. Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xgl1a.13104$[email hidden]... > For christs sake I didn't say warp didn't happen. I just said it's usedas

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> a scape goat on line sometimes. > > Give me a break, please :) > > Larry > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Phh1a.1790$[email hidden]... > > Funny, I don't see Larry's reply but I do see it in Mike's. > > > > And... > > > > You can NEVER see what I see period. You may THINK you see, but you > really > > don't see <g> (Obiwan maybe).. Say that twice fast, after 2 40's ;) > > Seriously though, you have to watch MY replay if you want any respect

from > > me cause thats the nature of the beast. Don't accuse unless yourewilling > > to watch it. No matter how long youre around this game for. And Ivebeen > > around since nearly the beginning, I still have my beta floppies forICR,

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> > and the 486/20 I ran it on <g>. > > > > BTW Larry, If I fuk up YOU WILL see a *S* sometime during or after the > race. > > Thats how you know it wasnt warp from me. I don't apologize when it's > warp > > either. And Warp isn't an excuse it's reality. This stubbornness has > > costed me many times but hey, thats me and I dont really care if anyone > > likes it or not :) Like Rusty says "Im not here to make best freinds,

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> > here to RACE". > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > > > > "Mike White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:rzf1a.6557$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:BY_0a.10764$[email hidden]... > > > > Because in a lot of cases I can see very clearly that it was NOT

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> > not > > > warp". > > > > > > You need to see their replay to see the situation they were presented > > with, > > > and how they responded. > > > > > > In N2 (on TEN) I had two replays, both showed two cars side by side in > the > > > turn. On my replay I was the low car, On the other (from the other > > driver's > > > computer), I was the car on the outside. > > > > > > Warp is evil. > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <KGF0a.4529$5K3.2010@FE02>, "jon" <[email hidden]> writes: >Amazing insight you have there Eldred. Just spent 9 solid hours racing >online, and not only do they still not care if they crash, they also still >do not care if they wreck you !! :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.