new n2003 demo out

theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much different than the one from before

It's different. See for your self with windiff. ;-) "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much differentthan > the one from before > > >

"frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much differentthan > the one from before > > > Here's the link: ftp://ftp.sierra.com/pub/sierra/nr2003/demo/si_nascar2003_demo.exe File date and size: 02/03/2003 05:33PM 124,938,252 bytes Enjoy. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have look in the right places and ask the right questions.

They are definitely different, the download isn't even the same size. Also the pull to the left feels more like N4 now, much reduced from the leaked demo. I only compared the Jasper setup at Michigan, YMMV. "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much differentthan > the one from before > > >

Still only two ovals though, not catering to the RC fans. Achim "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much differentthan > the one from before

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:b1qnm1$15nij3$1@ID- 99765.news.dfncis.de: > Still only two ovals though, not catering to the RC fans. > > Achim > True true. But on any given night on the Sierra servers, how many roadies are running vs ovals? The first thing different I noticed about the new demo was the car didn't washout of turn2 at Tally like the first demo did. I think this will make Yellow Line racing even tougher for the trailing car as the leader will be able to stick it down low and keep it there. dave henrie

I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:b1qnm1$15nij3$1@ID- > 99765.news.dfncis.de: > > > Still only two ovals though, not catering to the RC fans. > > > > Achim > > > True true. But on any given night on the Sierra servers, how many > roadies are running vs ovals? The first thing different I noticed about > the new demo was the car didn't washout of turn2 at Tally like the first > demo did. I think this will make Yellow Line racing even tougher for the > trailing car as the leader will be able to stick it down low and keep it > there. > dave henrie

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1r8fo$161qgr$[email hidden]... > I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. > > Achim I'm not sure if severe is the right word. I would say they are more noticeable, but they don't seem to have as much negative effect (read as spinning out lol) as they did before. I'm not 100% but I'm thinking the Jasper setup bottoms out now in turn one, at least It sounds that way. MadDAWG

After racing the first demo I was actually pretty happy that dega now required a little skill to drive. So much for that ;) "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:b1qnm1$15nij3$1@ID- > 99765.news.dfncis.de: > > > Still only two ovals though, not catering to the RC fans. > > > > Achim > > > True true. But on any given night on the Sierra servers, how many > roadies are running vs ovals? The first thing different I noticed about > the new demo was the car didn't washout of turn2 at Tally like the first > demo did. I think this will make Yellow Line racing even tougher for the > trailing car as the leader will be able to stick it down low and keep it > there. > dave henrie >

Considering it's their farewell release to Nascar and perhaps to many of their fans (as nobody knows where Papy is heading), and in the light of the fact that the past 3 years have shown that there is a substantial interest in using the Nx sims for RC's, it would have been a friendly gesture towards their fans to include an RC into the demo, to give the RC fans a chance to enjoy and assess the new physics as well while waiting for their copy of the full version which no doubt they all have ordered already anyway ;) Achim "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wxa0a.740$[email hidden]... > After racing the first demo I was actually pretty happy that dega now > required a little skill to drive. So much for that ;)

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> > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b1r8fo$161qgr$[email hidden]... > > I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. > > > > Achim > > I'm not sure if severe is the right word. I would say they are more > noticeable, but they don't seem to have as much negative effect (read as > spinning out lol) as they did before. I'm not 100% but I'm thinking the > Jasper setup bottoms out now in turn one, at least It sounds that way. > > MadDAWG

Yes it does, and it trails sparks like an early 90's F1 car in the process... ;-) SB

Fortunately for me Joachim Im on my way out the door for a road trip to my nearest EB. I used to do the RC thing but my eyes aren't good nuff anymore (too many planes just flew away) and the RC radio causes an incessant buzzing in my ears :) Oh you meant Road Course not Remote Control hehe.. "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1rd1o$166h2n$[email hidden]... > Considering it's their farewell release to Nascar and perhaps to many of > their fans (as nobody knows where Papy is heading), and in the light ofthe > fact that the past 3 years have shown that there is a substantial interest > in using the Nx sims for RC's, it would have been a friendly gesturetowards > their fans to include an RC into the demo, to give the RC fans a chance to > enjoy and assess the new physics as well while waiting for their copy ofthe

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> full version which no doubt they all have ordered already anyway ;) > > Achim > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wxa0a.740$[email hidden]... > > After racing the first demo I was actually pretty happy that dega now > > required a little skill to drive. So much for that ;) > >

I used to fly RC Helicopters for a few years. That was good fun :) Achim "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xQb0a.18$[email hidden]... > Fortunately for me Joachim Im on my way out the door for a road trip to my > nearest EB. I used to do the RC thing but my eyes aren't good nuffanymore > (too many planes just flew away) and the RC radio causes an incessant > buzzing in my ears :) Oh you meant Road Course not Remote Control hehe.

It's also a LOT bigger isn't it? Larry "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1piui$15ik8s$[email hidden]...

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> It's different. > See for your self with windiff. ;-) > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much different > than > > the one from before > > > > > > > >

It's also a LOT bigger isn't it? Larry

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> It's different. > See for your self with windiff. ;-) > > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much different > than > > the one from before

Grrr..... Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:b1qnm1$15nij3$1@ID- > 99765.news.dfncis.de: > > > Still only two ovals though, not catering to the RC fans. > > > > Achim > > > True true. But on any given night on the Sierra servers, how many > roadies are running vs ovals? The first thing different I noticed about > the new demo was the car didn't washout of turn2 at Tally like the first > demo did. I think this will make Yellow Line racing even tougher for the > trailing car as the leader will be able to stick it down low and keep it > there. > dave henrie

Does the bottom out invoke a guaranteed-spin like it does in NR2002 and N4 ? This is one thing that NT2003 handled a LOT more realistically than NR2002/N4 did. Larry "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:b1r8fo$161qgr$[email hidden]... > > > I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. > > > > > > Achim > > > > I'm not sure if severe is the right word. I would say they are more > > noticeable, but they don't seem to have as much negative effect (read as > > spinning out lol) as they did before. I'm not 100% but I'm thinking the > > Jasper setup bottoms out now in turn one, at least It sounds that way. > > > > MadDAWG > > Yes it does, and it trails sparks like an early 90's F1 car in the > process... ;-) > > SB > >

Nope; the main sign that it was bottoming was the sound; only noticed the sparks in the replay. In fact, during the same Michigan session, I got a solid nudge from one of the AI on my inside quarter panel and got sideways. But the tires slid, scrubbed and then grabbed, and I saved it. The AI car backed out of it to avoid a crash, the others behind likewise and we all got back to racing. Nice job! "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4Rc0a.108221$[email hidden]... > Does the bottom out invoke a guaranteed-spin like it does in NR2002 and N4?

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> > This is one thing that NT2003 handled a LOT more realistically than > NR2002/N4 did. > > Larry > > "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:b1r8fo$161qgr$[email hidden]... > > > > I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > I'm not sure if severe is the right word. I would say they are more > > > noticeable, but they don't seem to have as much negative effect (read

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> > > Jasper setup bottoms out now in turn one, at least It sounds that way. > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > Yes it does, and it trails sparks like an early 90's F1 car in the > > process... ;-) > > > > SB > > > > > >

Kewl!!! And I never use that damed word :) Larry "Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Nope; the main sign that it was bottoming was the sound; only noticed the > sparks in the replay. In fact, during the same Michigan session, I got a > solid nudge from one of the AI on my inside quarter panel and gotsideways. > But the tires slid, scrubbed and then grabbed, and I saved it. The AI car > backed out of it to avoid a crash, the others behind likewise and we allgot > back to racing. Nice job! > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4Rc0a.108221$[email hidden]... > > Does the bottom out invoke a guaranteed-spin like it does in NR2002 andN4

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> > news:[email hidden]... > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:b1r8fo$161qgr$[email hidden]... > > > > > I think the bumps at Michigan are more severe. > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if severe is the right word. I would say they are more > > > > noticeable, but they don't seem to have as much negative effect

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The media beta Zipfile is 153 431 KB and the official demo setup is 122 011 KB. At least here. The installed folders seem to be equal size. (well the media beta is slightly larger after my attempts to replayce michigan with mosport, and adding cars to the field ;-) The Exe is sligthly larger in the new one. :-) "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LOc0a.108201$[email hidden]...

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> It's also a LOT bigger isn't it? > > Larry > > "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b1piui$15ik8s$[email hidden]... > > It's different. > > See for your self with windiff. ;-) > > > > "frederickson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0MU%9.960$[email hidden]... > > > theres a link on bluesnews.com ...... lets see if its so much

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> Considering it's their farewell release to Nascar and perhaps to many > of their fans (as nobody knows where Papy is heading), and in the > light of the fact that the past 3 years have shown that there is a > substantial interest in using the Nx sims for RC's, it would have been > a friendly gesture towards their fans to include an RC into the demo, > to give the RC fans a chance to enjoy and assess the new physics as > well while waiting for their copy of the full version which no doubt > they all have ordered already anyway ;) > > Achim > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wxa0a.740$[email hidden]... >> After racing the first demo I was actually pretty happy that dega now >> required a little skill to drive. So much for that ;) > >

Has anyone tried just dropping the N2k2 version of St Jovite(or other roadcourse) into the demo to see if it ran?? dave henrie

Seems to be a no-go. Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Has anyone tried just dropping the N2k2 version of St Jovite > (or other roadcourse) into the demo to see if it ran??

I did the rc plane thing for about 10 years myself, the last 4 years of which I flew cometition pattern. Even fly in the AMA Nationals one year. Been a long time since I flew RC, guess about 11 years now. Don Burnette Joachim Trensz wrote:

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> I used to fly RC Helicopters for a few years. That was good fun :) > > Achim > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xQb0a.18$[email hidden]... >> Fortunately for me Joachim Im on my way out the door for a road trip >> to my nearest EB. I used to do the RC thing but my eyes aren't good >> nuff anymore (too many planes just flew away) and the RC radio >> causes an incessant buzzing in my ears :) Oh you meant Road Course >> not Remote Control hehe.

Me too. And it's the primary reason I developed NO savings through the latter half of the 1980's :) I had the first Schoonard Xccel in San Diego. Brought it over when I was on Leave on the East Coast. All we did was stare at it for weeks, and I was afraid to fly it it was so pretty :) And yes, I started with the Shuttle (well, 4 or 5 of them, actually :)) like eveyone else did :) Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1t6q6$1630tn$[email hidden]...

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> I used to fly RC Helicopters for a few years. That was good fun :) > > Achim > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xQb0a.18$[email hidden]... > > Fortunately for me Joachim Im on my way out the door for a road trip to

my > > nearest EB. I used to do the RC thing but my eyes aren't good nuff > anymore > > (too many planes just flew away) and the RC radio causes an incessant > > buzzing in my ears :) Oh you meant Road Course not Remote Control hehe. > >

Anyone ever do 1/4 Scale Cup cars? I did that in San Diego. Ran in the first ever ROAR 1/4 scale nationals and if I remember right came out 3rd in the main feature. It was a nice track. It used to be an old midget track for kids. Even had nice banking! The spectator crowds were so big that we were not allowed to race on Saturday's because the track owner was afraid we would take ticket sales away from the full-size short-track that also sat on the race grounds. We had to do all our races on Sundays. These things were a blast. 32 pounds, a foot or so wide, about 3 feet long, and I forget how many cc's of gut-wrenching WeedWhacker Motor power! Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I did the rc plane thing for about 10 years myself, the last 4 years of > which I flew cometition pattern. > Even fly in the AMA Nationals one year. > > Been a long time since I flew RC, guess about 11 years now. > > Don Burnette > > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > I used to fly RC Helicopters for a few years. That was good fun :) > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xQb0a.18$[email hidden]... > >> Fortunately for me Joachim Im on my way out the door for a road trip > >> to my nearest EB. I used to do the RC thing but my eyes aren't good > >> nuff anymore (too many planes just flew away) and the RC radio > >> causes an incessant buzzing in my ears :) Oh you meant Road Course > >> not Remote Control hehe. > > >

Yep that stuff was expensive as hell, especially since when you wrecked it always cost a lot in spare parts. I started I think around 82 with a Schlueter, which was wrong for a beginner as with every heavy touchdown you'd bend the metal chassis, leading to cogs and everything else no longer running together well, and evrything getting destroyed pretty quickly. A year later when I'd ruined that first one beyond repair I switched to a used Jet Ranger based on the Heim system which was indeed pretty advanced in technology, and also looked like the real thing. Repairs to the main mechanics were easier as all you'd normally ruin was the main rotor shaft (I used to carry with me a few backup ones at all times). The body was wood and glass fibre, so fixing it wasn't so expensive. Once I'd learnt to fly well I bought two kevlar bodies of the Hughes 500 D model. They were also designed to take the Heim system, and their kevlar bodies were so robust that you could throw them down from 10 meters altitude with the rotor running and all the happened was that the connection between tail and main body broke. Very easy to fix. Well, of course the blades and main rotor shaft were also splinters <g> The greatest development was when gyros became avialable. I installed one for the tail rotor and from then on it was like you were on auto-pilot and the cost for repairs dropped dramatically :-) I equipped those Hughes with 3-blade main rotors (5 blade would have been even more expensive to repair after a crash <g>) and also a 3 blade tail rotor, which really added control. Unfortunately I moved away from the site where I used to fly, and couldn't find a decent spot where to fly from nearby where I had moved to, so after a while I sold everything. But it had been a great time :) Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JRt0a.111136$[email hidden]... > Me too. And it's the primary reason I developed NO savings through the > latter half of the 1980's :) > > I had the first Schoonard Xccel in San Diego. Brought it over when I wason > Leave on the East Coast. All we did was stare at it for weeks, and I was > afraid to fly it it was so pretty :) > > And yes, I started with the Shuttle (well, 4 or 5 of them, actually :))like > eveyone else did :)

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> Seems to be a no-go. > > Achim > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... >> Has anyone tried just dropping the N2k2 version of St Jovite >> (or other roadcourse) into the demo to see if it ran?? > >

rats :) oh well, it was a nice thought... dave henrie

>I did the rc plane thing for about 10 years myself, the last 4 years of >which I flew cometition pattern. >Even fly in the AMA Nationals one year. > >Been a long time since I flew RC, guess about 11 years now. Geez, another hobby that I would have liked, but couldn't afford... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Man, you were REALLY in to it :) I built a Bell 222 with full retracts. It took me over 2 years. I never flew it, and ended up selling it, un-flown and un-started just before returning to the east coast for good in August of 1990. I was afraid to fly it. One problem I never really got over was loss of orientation in the air. I could nose-in hover and auto-rotate with the best of them, but for some reason my eyes had issues with orientation if I inside-turns and the light was a certain way. I broke a lot of stuff over that :( Of course I tried the usual tricks like colored blades, landing gear, etc... I suspect a full-body would have helped but due to the massive hours involved in putting one together I could never get myself to go for it. For those of you who have never done this before, Nose-In Hovering a Radio Controlled Helicopter is probably the hardest manuever you can attempt to do on any type of flying model. It takes dozens and dozens of hours of practice to do it poorly, and hundreds of hours to do it well. And most people eat a certain amount of rotor blades, tail blades and booms in the process of learning it :) Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1trsf$1724an$[email hidden]... > Yep that stuff was expensive as hell, especially since when you wrecked it > always cost a lot in spare parts. > > I started I think around 82 with a Schlueter, which was wrong for abeginner > as with every heavy touchdown you'd bend the metal chassis, leading tocogs > and everything else no longer running together well, and evrything getting > destroyed pretty quickly. > > A year later when I'd ruined that first one beyond repair I switched to a > used Jet Ranger based on the Heim system which was indeed pretty advancedin > technology, and also looked like the real thing. Repairs to the main > mechanics were easier as all you'd normally ruin was the main rotor shaft(I > used to carry with me a few backup ones at all times). The body was woodand > glass fibre, so fixing it wasn't so expensive. > > Once I'd learnt to fly well I bought two kevlar bodies of the Hughes 500 D > model. They were also designed to take the Heim system, and their kevlar > bodies were so robust that you could throw them down from 10 metersaltitude > with the rotor running and all the happened was that the connectionbetween

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> tail and main body broke. Very easy to fix. Well, of course the blades and > main rotor shaft were also splinters <g> > > The greatest development was when gyros became avialable. I installed one > for the tail rotor and from then on it was like you were on auto-pilot and > the cost for repairs dropped dramatically :-) > > I equipped those Hughes with 3-blade main rotors (5 blade would have been > even more expensive to repair after a crash <g>) and also a 3 blade tail > rotor, which really added control. Unfortunately I moved away from the

site > where I used to fly, and couldn't find a decent spot where to fly from > nearby where I had moved to, so after a while I sold everything. But ithad

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> been a great time :) > > Achim > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JRt0a.111136$[email hidden]... > > Me too. And it's the primary reason I developed NO savings through the > > latter half of the 1980's :) > > > > I had the first Schoonard Xccel in San Diego. Brought it over when I

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> > afraid to fly it it was so pretty :) > > > > And yes, I started with the Shuttle (well, 4 or 5 of them, actually :)) > like > > eveyone else did :) > >

After I'd learnt to fly I think I wrecked most of my stuff trying new aerobatics figures. A shame you never flew the Bell, it must be a breathtaking sight when it takes off, transits into that typical forward/upward movement and simulatenously starts retracting the gear. I'd always thought about building one myself, but always shied away from it, for the same reasons why you never flew yours I guess. I tried the differently coloured landing gear struts as well, but the problem was, when you were far enough away you could see the body fine but not the struts <g> but you're right, a full body is in a completely different ballpark in terms of visibility. I could have my Hughes soar high and far like a fixed wing RC plane, it was really well visible. I think I never really perfectioned the nose-in hovering. Probably partly due to a shock I experienced during my first attempts, when the rear pushrod for the cyclic came lose from the swashplate (correct term?) and my helo started flying towards me, and towards me, and towards me... <g> Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jPx0a.901$[email hidden]... > Man, you were REALLY in to it :) > > I built a Bell 222 with full retracts. It took me over 2 years. I never > flew it, and ended up selling it, un-flown and un-started just before > returning to the east coast for good in August of 1990...

I forget the guys name, but one of the National Champions used to visit us in at our field in San Diego every now and then. He was a Schoonard Xccel factory Pilot. This guy could be nose-in hovering about 6 feet off the ground, and about 10 feet away, and he would actually flop his helo into an inverted nose-in hover and I swear the thing never wavered more than 3 inches in any one direction when he did it. This guy was freakin' awesome. The stupidist thing I ever saw in public? At the Merced Fly-in one year this guy (he was a factory owner/flyer as well for a famous model helicopter company - I won't mention names here) was doing a nose-in hover and walked up and kissed the nose of his Helicopter. For those of you who don't understand how incredibly stupid and dangerous this is, the typical .60 engine sized Helicopter has a rotor-span of like 60 inches. The blades typicall run at 1800 RPM, and equates to a rotor-tip speed of about 300 miles per hour. These blades are NOT all balsa wood. They tend to have hardwood leading edges, and most experienced pilots run lead weights embedded at the tips for improved auto-rotation performance. Some run blades that are FULLY fiberglassed instead of shrink-wrapped. If you get hit in the head, you die. Period. I saw an out-of-control model Helo completely destroy the fiberglass cap on the back of a pickup truck one day. Helicopters, full size or model, are basically Mechanical-Assholes that god never intended to fly in the first place and I can think of MUCH better ways to risk my life. Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1upjl$1723q4$[email hidden]... > After I'd learnt to fly I think I wrecked most of my stuff trying new > aerobatics figures. > > A shame you never flew the Bell, it must be a breathtaking sight when it > takes off, transits into that typical forward/upward movement and > simulatenously starts retracting the gear. I'd always thought aboutbuilding

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> one myself, but always shied away from it, for the same reasons why you > never flew yours I guess. > > I tried the differently coloured landing gear struts as well, but the > problem was, when you were far enough away you could see the body fine but > not the struts <g> but you're right, a full body is in a completely > different ballpark in terms of visibility. I could have my Hughes soar

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> for the cyclic came lose from the swashplate (correct term?) and my helo > started flying towards me, and towards me, and towards me... <g> > > Achim > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jPx0a.901$[email hidden]... > > Man, you were REALLY in to it :) > > > > I built a Bell 222 with full retracts. It took me over 2 years. I

never > > flew it, and ended up selling it, un-flown and un-started just before > > returning to the east coast for good in August of 1990... > >

That describes it pretty well <g> Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9kP0a.6694$[email hidden]... ... > Helicopters ...are basically Mechanical-Assholes that god > never intended to fly in the first place

In article <9kP0a.6694$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>For those of you who don't understand how incredibly stupid and dangerous >this is, the typical .60 engine sized Helicopter has a rotor-span of like 60 >inches. The blades typicall run at 1800 RPM, and equates to a rotor-tip >speed of about 300 miles per hour. These blades are NOT all balsa wood. >They tend to have hardwood leading edges, and most experienced pilots run >lead weights embedded at the tips for improved auto-rotation performance. >Some run blades that are FULLY fiberglassed instead of shrink-wrapped.

Whoa... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: Whoa... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 MonsterRank: +339.873 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No shit Whoa :) Another reason learning the Nose-In Hover is a very intimidating maneuver to learn. For those that haven't figured out why, think about it. ALL of your radio controls are backwards :) The old "Push-the-stick-forward-to-make-the-bastard-go-away" trick can result in your choppers getting knocked out by an, um, chopper :) Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9kP0a.6694$[email hidden]>, "Larry"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >For those of you who don't understand how incredibly stupid and dangerous > >this is, the typical .60 engine sized Helicopter has a rotor-span of like60

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> >inches. The blades typicall run at 1800 RPM, and equates to a rotor-tip > >speed of about 300 miles per hour. These blades are NOT all balsa wood. > >They tend to have hardwood leading edges, and most experienced pilots run > >lead weights embedded at the tips for improved auto-rotation performance. > >Some run blades that are FULLY fiberglassed instead of shrink-wrapped. > > Whoa... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:-0.381 > MonsterRank: +339.873 > N2002 Rank:+17.59 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.