I just got my G25!

They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i have to modify my setup to install the shifter.

Where did you purchase this? "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Nst9h.3240$[email hidden]... > They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ > CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i have > to modify my setup to install the shifter. >

"Victor Greenwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ND9h.1852$p9.1295@edtnps82...

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> Where did you purchase this? > "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Nst9h.3240$[email hidden]... >> They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ >> CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i >> have to modify my setup to install the shifter. >>

The prices are starting to go up: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660AC1697 I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25. Compared to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force feedback on the wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just impressive. The paddles are also a lot better than on the DFP. The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit. The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I tried it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal.

Bob Loblaw wrote:

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> "Victor Greenwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ND9h.1852$p9.1295@edtnps82... > >>Where did you purchase this? >>"Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:Nst9h.3240$[email hidden]... >> >>>They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ >>>CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i >>>have to modify my setup to install the shifter. >>> > > The prices are starting to go up: > http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660AC1697 > > I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25. Compared > to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force feedback on the > wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just impressive. The paddles > are also a lot better than on the DFP. > > The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit. > The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I tried > it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to > shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal. > >

No it doesn't. The clutch can be used for standing starts and to avoid stalling the engine in a spin. Also, for a racing gear box, you don't need the clutch to change gear. So it is realistic.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:15:16 -0500, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit. >The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I tried >it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to >shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal. Blame rFactor or GTR2 for that. However, if you can change down mid corner in GTR2 under brakes and down change without blipping the throttle while using the clutch and without unsettling the car then you're doing something I can't. The back-end wants to swap ends with the front when I try it. If you can, then I suspect you've got auto clutch still enabled. I hear you with the stick, but you get used to it. Also give GTL a crack, downchanging mid corner is even worse without the clutch if you don't blip. Cheers, Rod.

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> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:15:16 -0500, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit. >>The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I >>tried >>it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was unnecessary to >>shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch pedal. > > Blame rFactor or GTR2 for that. However, if you can change down > mid corner in GTR2 under brakes and down change without blipping > the throttle while using the clutch and without unsettling > the car then you're doing something I can't. The back-end wants > to swap ends with the front when I try it. If you can, then I > suspect you've got auto clutch still enabled. > > I hear you with the stick, but you get used to it. > > Also give GTL a crack, downchanging mid corner is even worse > without the clutch if you don't blip. > > Cheers, > Rod.

My instructors have always told me to downshift before turning. Braking and downshifting is supposed to be done in a straight line (with the exception of trailbraking). I have LFS S1, GTL, rFactor and GTR 2. The problem is that i have too much choice and have to commit to one game. I loved GTL but unfortunately Starforce screws up my DVD burner. Which is frustrating because i use it to make backups of the pictures i take with my 8MP Canon 20D. I usually fill up the 2 Gig memory card and i need the room on my hard drive. Blank DVDs are very affordable but when i run GTL, i can only produce coasters. I had to modify my frame to include the shifter unit. I'll probably enjoy it more now that it is installed properly.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:11:46 -0500, "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote: >My instructors have always told me to downshift before turning. Braking and >downshifting is supposed to be done in a straight line (with the exception >of trailbraking). Sure, it's supposed to until you want to compete with those that can effectively do it. If they can get the power on early as well, you can only hope your car is faster than them in the straights because it's impossible to outbreak them. Also accelerating while turning and shifting up will also unsettle the car in GTR2, causing the back end to get loose. While I might not engage the clutch in such circumstances, I will lift. I've been caught out a few times shifting down and not matching the revs and shifting just a touch too early and spun. Like I suggested, if this hasn't happened to you yet then you've either got auto clutch enabled or you're *extremely* careful when you brake. Cheers, Rod.

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> I've been caught out a few times shifting down and not matching > the revs and shifting just a touch too early and spun. Like > I suggested, if this hasn't happened to you yet then you've either > got auto clutch enabled or you're *extremely* careful when you > brake. > > Cheers, > Rod.

The auto clutch was still enabled. Thanks for pointing that out. That resolves my only criticism with the pedals.

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> > I've been caught out a few times shifting down and not matching > > the revs and shifting just a touch too early and spun. Like > > I suggested, if this hasn't happened to you yet then you've either > > got auto clutch enabled or you're *extremely* careful when you > > brake. > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > > The auto clutch was still enabled. Thanks for pointing that out. That > resolves my only criticism with the pedals.

the g25 looks real nice, but how hard is the turning ? I broke my wrist at work a few months back and have little strength in my dominant hand. Moderate pressure causes pain, I am hoping it will get better, but it seems little improved since the cast came off 6 months ago. I drive my ms ff sidewinder always "loose" or free turning, is it possible to enable a free turning mode with the g25 ?

I agree. The wheel and pedals are pure genious. The shifter, not so much. We would have been better off with a Momo sequential type built into the wheel, and the normal number of buttons on the wheel itself. The centering of the shifter in sequential mode is a big problem. The throw to engage is like 3/4" forward, 1/4" backward. My first one was a full inch forward, and about 1/64" backward. It was so bad, it didn't release the rearward selection half the time when returning to center, causing me to miss many a downshift and end up in the kitty litter. The replacement is useable, but still not centered. In case you don't know, the shifter does not use switches. It uses pots. The only reason I don't leave the shifter in the closet is because of the buttons. Once I figure out a way around that, I will. I have one other minor gripe. Whoever designed the cable connection scheme must handle snakes for a living. Only that profession could have prepared an engineer to create such a stupid design. I have fears the cables aren't going to last long. And, as is typical for Logitech, the pedal cable is too short. -Larry "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BOM9h.17968$[email hidden]...

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> > "Victor Greenwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ND9h.1852$p9.1295@edtnps82... >> Where did you purchase this? >> "Bob Loblaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:Nst9h.3240$[email hidden]... >>> They finally received some stocks in Canada. At least it was cheap: 239$ >>> CAN which amounts to about 210$ US. Now the biggest problem is that i >>> have to modify my setup to install the shifter. >>> > The prices are starting to go up: > http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12660AC1697 > > I had a Driving Force Pro and i'm a little disappointed in the G25. > Compared to the DFP, the pedals are considerably better. The force > feedback on the wheel also feels better and its sturdiness is just > impressive. The paddles are also a lot better than on the DFP. > > The H shifter is noisy and doesn't feel as sturdy as the rest of the unit. > The biggest problem i have with the G25 is actually sofware related. I > tried it with rFactor and GTR2 and realised that the clutch was > unnecessary to shift. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a clutch > pedal. > >

Larry wrote: > I have one other minor gripe. Whoever designed the cable connection scheme > must handle snakes for a living. Only that profession could have prepared > an engineer to create such a stupid design. I have fears the cables aren't > going to last long. Short of going to a wireless system how could the cabling be improved? There are five separate pieces that need to be connected - wheel, shifter, pedals, power supply, and the computer That requires a minimum of 4 cables. The only possible change I can see would be making the pedals the "base" and putting the wheel and shifter in series from there. The power and USB connections would connect to the pedals. Would that really be an improvement? Pat Dotson

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > The only possible change I can see would be making the pedals the > "base" and putting the wheel and shifter in series from there. The > power and USB connections would connect to the pedals. Would that > really be an improvement? > I have/had one of the old Red Logitech FF wheels (not Momo - before that) and the pedals were the 'base' of operations for the assorted cables. Only one cable ran up from the pedals to the wheel. It was a very nice configuration to deal with. I have had an Act-Labs and a Logitech 'black' FF wheel (both with Act- Labs USB shifter) since then, and they have had multiple cables going up to the wheel. PITA, in my opinion. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8 SEARCHING FOR GPL LOADING READY. RUN

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> > the g25 looks real nice, but how hard is the turning ? I broke my wrist > at work a few months back and have little strength in my dominant hand. > Moderate pressure causes pain, I am hoping it will get better, but it > seems little improved since the cast came off 6 months ago. I drive my > ms ff sidewinder always "loose" or free turning, is it possible to > enable a free turning mode with the g25 ? >

You can lower the strenght of the force feedback in the game menus. At 10% it shouldn't give you any problems.

Bob Loblaw wrote: >> > > You can lower the strenght of the force feedback in the game menus. At 10% > it shouldn't give you any problems. thank you...I think I'll order one

It's very simple, and some company who engineer's add-on's could do this easily and sell all they could make: Create a port replicator. Think Laptop... One end, which would be about a foot long, would connect to all the connectors under the wheel and would result in one large connector on the other end. The other end would connect to all the individual cables, and have a matching single-connector. You install the first half on the wheel and leave it in place. it could even have a base moulded to match the wheel housing, and attach with 3M tape or something. Then you just put up the wheel, shifter and connect the one single connecter. Done. IMHO, Logitech should not have put the connectors under the wheel. they should have all been on the outside, on one side of the housing, for easy access. As it is now, you have to manipulate the wheel and attach it AFTER you've made all the connections. This just can't be any good for the wiring. And of course it's worse for anyone using a bolt-down setup. -Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Larry wrote: >> I have one other minor gripe. Whoever designed the cable connection >> scheme >> must handle snakes for a living. Only that profession could have >> prepared >> an engineer to create such a stupid design. I have fears the cables >> aren't >> going to last long. > > Short of going to a wireless system how could the cabling be improved? > There are five separate pieces that need to be connected - wheel, > shifter, pedals, power supply, and the computer That requires a > minimum of 4 cables. > > The only possible change I can see would be making the pedals the > "base" and putting the wheel and shifter in series from there. The > power and USB connections would connect to the pedals. Would that > really be an improvement? > > Pat Dotson >

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> It's very simple, and some company who engineer's add-on's could do this > easily and sell all they could make: > > Create a port replicator. Think Laptop... > > One end, which would be about a foot long, would connect to all the > connectors under the wheel and would result in one large connector on the > other end.

Looks like a good idea and could also be an easy DIY project: the ports for the pedals and shifter seem to be standard DB9 (serial) connectors so getting the parts should not be too hard. The power plug is also pretty standard. Of course, the number of cables would not be reduced, but at least most of them could then be hidden behind the desk / monitor / computer. And the short pedal cable issue would be solved too. All this without modifying the original hardware. Regards, Mr. Sylvestre

I've been thinking on it :) Two DB9 straight-thru's and a straight-thru for the power would be a good start. A logitech rep posted on RSC that the pedal can be extended with a standard straight-thru db9 extender. I still say they should have done it right the first time :) -Larry "Mr. Sylvestre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:456c92c3$0$21493$[email hidden]...

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> Looks like a good idea and could also be an easy DIY project: the ports > for the pedals and shifter seem to be standard DB9 (serial) connectors so > getting the parts should not be too hard. The power plug is also pretty > standard. Of course, the number of cables would not be reduced, but at > least most of them could then be hidden behind the desk / monitor / > computer. And the short pedal cable issue would be solved too. All this > without modifying the original hardware. > > Regards, > Mr. Sylvestre