Whats gone wrong with the racing sim world?

I'm sorry if I'm bitching, but I thought someone may be able to cheer me up with some good news 'cos I can't find any info on the web about forthcoming racing sim games. Whats happened to the sim racing world? We haven't had anything decent for ages now. Papyrus seems to just churn out Nascar sims every year or so which look v.slightly different from the last one. I thought the GPL game was great and was expecting more, especially after everyone starting modifying it with later cars. No ICR3 and no GPL2. Just Nascar2002, Nascar2003, Nascar2004 ad infinitum. I can't even get my ICR2 DOS Cd to work on XP! All the sportscar games are rubbish, the last decent one being SCGT. West were the big hope that sunk under the waves. Empire even had the cheek to release Total Immersion Racing which is like racing Scalextric!! I thought GP4 was gonna keep my sanity, I played it to death like I did all the previous ones for about 3 or 4 months. Downloaded all the car updates to make the drivers actually come from the current year (whens Crammond gonna sign a current racing year licence?!) and then got bored and played something else. Usually when I come back to a GP game I find that the homemade developers out there have hacked a bit more at the game and changed all the other stuff like the track layouts and stuff so I can play the latest circuits and all the chicanes that the FIA in their wisdom put in and I can dream and race classic circuits instead of 2nd gear boring ones (like original Zeltweg, Paul Ricard, etc.) but not this time. Since I stopped playing not much seems to have changed. Has anyone got any good news for me. Is Codemasters IRL game gonna be an arcade racing piece of cr*p or a proper sim (I think IRL was the most exciting racing in 2002 even though I'm English and have been an F1 fan all my life). Have Papy changed their minds and decided to diversify from one game? Has someone out there modified GP4 lots and I don't know about it. Has someone out there hired the West boys and made them finish that sportscar game that we all loved the screenshots from? Please......... or am I doomed to play multiplayer first person shoot-em-ups for the rest of my life using my 56k modem (I can't even play racing sim games online 'cos my 56k modem doesn't appear to be quick enough to cope with racing games and I like in England where our crappy telecoms system can't cope with ADSL unless your stood right next to the exchange). :( James

There's one called GTR2002 that you might like... :) -Tim

Where the hell have you been 'blinkered boy '...? It's called GTR 2002......it will suffice....i suffice to say. Return in a month when you have had chance to get plenty of laps in ..... AD

"james" wrote... > <snip> > All the sportscar games are rubbish, the last decent one > being SCGT. <cough> http://www.simmods.com </cough> Jan. =---

Yup - GTR2002 - is yer prayer - and don't bother 'bout yer 56K modem it's more than effecient with Papys online stuff - which is really the only stuff that matters.... Rgds Magnus "james" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:avnj3d$9g6$[email hidden]... > I'm sorry if I'm bitching, but I thought someone may be able to cheer meup > with some good news 'cos I can't find any info on the web aboutforthcoming

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> racing sim games. > > Whats happened to the sim racing world? > > We haven't had anything decent for ages now. Papyrus seems to just churn > out Nascar sims every year or so which look v.slightly different from the > last one. I thought the GPL game was great and was expecting more, > especially after everyone starting modifying it with later cars. No ICR3

and > no GPL2. Just Nascar2002, Nascar2003, Nascar2004 ad infinitum. I can'teven

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> get my ICR2 DOS Cd to work on XP! > > All the sportscar games are rubbish, the last decent one being SCGT. West > were the big hope that sunk under the waves. Empire even had the cheek to > release Total Immersion Racing which is like racing Scalextric!! > > I thought GP4 was gonna keep my sanity, I played it to death like I did

all > the previous ones for about 3 or 4 months. Downloaded all the car updates > to make the drivers actually come from the current year (whens Crammond > gonna sign a current racing year licence?!) and then got bored and played > something else. Usually when I come back to a GP game I find that the > homemade developers out there have hacked a bit more at the game andchanged > all the other stuff like the track layouts and stuff so I can play the > latest circuits and all the chicanes that the FIA in their wisdom put inand > I can dream and race classic circuits instead of 2nd gear boring ones(like > original Zeltweg, Paul Ricard, etc.) but not this time. Since I stopped > playing not much seems to have changed. > > Has anyone got any good news for me. Is Codemasters IRL game gonna be an > arcade racing piece of cr*p or a proper sim (I think IRL was the most > exciting racing in 2002 even though I'm English and have been an F1 fanall > my life). Have Papy changed their minds and decided to diversify from one > game? Has someone out there modified GP4 lots and I don't know about it. > Has someone out there hired the West boys and made them finish that > sportscar game that we all loved the screenshots from? Please......... or > am I doomed to play multiplayer first person shoot-em-ups for the rest ofmy > life using my 56k modem (I can't even play racing sim games online 'cos my > 56k modem doesn't appear to be quick enough to cope with racing games andI > like in England where our crappy telecoms system can't cope with ADSLunless

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> your stood right next to the exchange). > > :( > > James > >

And what about Live for Speed? Top sim! "Badlands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nRIT9.1754$[email hidden]... > Yup - GTR2002 - is yer prayer - and don't bother 'bout yer 56K modem it's > more than effecient with Papys online stuff - which is really the onlystuff

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> that matters.... > > Rgds Magnus > > > "james" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:avnj3d$9g6$[email hidden]... > > I'm sorry if I'm bitching, but I thought someone may be able to cheer me > up > > with some good news 'cos I can't find any info on the web about > forthcoming > > racing sim games. > > > > Whats happened to the sim racing world? > > > > We haven't had anything decent for ages now. Papyrus seems to just

churn > > out Nascar sims every year or so which look v.slightly different fromthe

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> > last one. I thought the GPL game was great and was expecting more, > > especially after everyone starting modifying it with later cars. No ICR3 > and > > no GPL2. Just Nascar2002, Nascar2003, Nascar2004 ad infinitum. I can't > even > > get my ICR2 DOS Cd to work on XP! > > > > All the sportscar games are rubbish, the last decent one being SCGT.

West > > were the big hope that sunk under the waves. Empire even had the cheekto > > release Total Immersion Racing which is like racing Scalextric!! > > > > I thought GP4 was gonna keep my sanity, I played it to death like I did > all > > the previous ones for about 3 or 4 months. Downloaded all the carupdates > > to make the drivers actually come from the current year (whens Crammond > > gonna sign a current racing year licence?!) and then got bored andplayed

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> > something else. Usually when I come back to a GP game I find that the > > homemade developers out there have hacked a bit more at the game and > changed > > all the other stuff like the track layouts and stuff so I can play the > > latest circuits and all the chicanes that the FIA in their wisdom put in > and > > I can dream and race classic circuits instead of 2nd gear boring ones > (like > > original Zeltweg, Paul Ricard, etc.) but not this time. Since I stopped > > playing not much seems to have changed. > > > > Has anyone got any good news for me. Is Codemasters IRL game gonna be an > > arcade racing piece of cr*p or a proper sim (I think IRL was the most > > exciting racing in 2002 even though I'm English and have been an F1 fan > all > > my life). Have Papy changed their minds and decided to diversify from

one > > game? Has someone out there modified GP4 lots and I don't know aboutit. > > Has someone out there hired the West boys and made them finish that > > sportscar game that we all loved the screenshots from? Please.........or > > am I doomed to play multiplayer first person shoot-em-ups for the restof > my > > life using my 56k modem (I can't even play racing sim games online 'cosmy > > 56k modem doesn't appear to be quick enough to cope with racing gamesand

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> I > > like in England where our crappy telecoms system can't cope with ADSL > unless > > your stood right next to the exchange). > > > > :( > > > > James > > > > > >

On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:56:42 -0000, "james" <[email hidden]> wrote: As the others have said, get youself a copy of F1 2002. There are addons and mods galore for this. GTR 2002, the Turbo Mod, Alpha Challenge, F1 '77, M3 Challenge and a bunch of others that are in development as we speak.

Forgot to add, if you're into rallying, check out Rally Trophy also.

Well, we aren't even going to have NR2004 from Papy, so enjoy things now while they are relatively good... Marc "james" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:avnj3d$9g6$[email hidden]... > I'm sorry if I'm bitching, but I thought someone may be able to cheer meup > with some good news 'cos I can't find any info on the web aboutforthcoming

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> racing sim games. > > Whats happened to the sim racing world? > > We haven't had anything decent for ages now. Papyrus seems to just churn > out Nascar sims every year or so which look v.slightly different from the > last one. I thought the GPL game was great and was expecting more, > especially after everyone starting modifying it with later cars. No ICR3

and > no GPL2. Just Nascar2002, Nascar2003, Nascar2004 ad infinitum. I can'teven

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> get my ICR2 DOS Cd to work on XP! > > All the sportscar games are rubbish, the last decent one being SCGT. West > were the big hope that sunk under the waves. Empire even had the cheek to > release Total Immersion Racing which is like racing Scalextric!! > > I thought GP4 was gonna keep my sanity, I played it to death like I did

all > the previous ones for about 3 or 4 months. Downloaded all the car updates > to make the drivers actually come from the current year (whens Crammond > gonna sign a current racing year licence?!) and then got bored and played > something else. Usually when I come back to a GP game I find that the > homemade developers out there have hacked a bit more at the game andchanged > all the other stuff like the track layouts and stuff so I can play the > latest circuits and all the chicanes that the FIA in their wisdom put inand > I can dream and race classic circuits instead of 2nd gear boring ones(like > original Zeltweg, Paul Ricard, etc.) but not this time. Since I stopped > playing not much seems to have changed. > > Has anyone got any good news for me. Is Codemasters IRL game gonna be an > arcade racing piece of cr*p or a proper sim (I think IRL was the most > exciting racing in 2002 even though I'm English and have been an F1 fanall > my life). Have Papy changed their minds and decided to diversify from one > game? Has someone out there modified GP4 lots and I don't know about it. > Has someone out there hired the West boys and made them finish that > sportscar game that we all loved the screenshots from? Please......... or > am I doomed to play multiplayer first person shoot-em-ups for the rest ofmy > life using my 56k modem (I can't even play racing sim games online 'cos my > 56k modem doesn't appear to be quick enough to cope with racing games andI > like in England where our crappy telecoms system can't cope with ADSLunless

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> your stood right next to the exchange). > > :( > > James > >

> As the others have said, get youself a copy of F1 2002. There are > addons and mods galore for this. GTR 2002, the Turbo Mod, Alpha > Challenge, F1 '77, M3 Challenge and a bunch of others that are in > development as we speak. First off kudos to SBDT !! This is true that many mods are being developed, its more of a curse then an assett imo. Instead of focusing on one mod and developing it to its potential the focus always seems to get deverted to somthing else, leaving the mod uncompleted. Too many people going in too many directions with these mods. GTR2002 is a good start and has potential for something really great like GPL but time will tell as it always has. In the meantime we must enjoy whats available. -------------- My .02 D