GPL Reliability

I am starting to feel a little more confident about my driving ability and would like to soon join some online races. I have started doing short AI races to try and get a better feel for it. One thing I am curious about is vehicle reliability. I already had an Eagle fail on me on the first lap of Spa. I have heard that the Brabham is reliable, the Lotus not, and apparently the Eagle not. What about the other makes? Does this tend to be a big factor or not?

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av53fg$cag1q$[email hidden]... > I am starting to feel a little more confident about my driving ability and > would like to soon join some online races. I have started doing short AI > races to try and get a better feel for it. One thing I am curious aboutis > vehicle reliability. I already had an Eagle fail on me on the first lapof > Spa. I have heard that the Brabham is reliable, the Lotus not, and > apparently the Eagle not. What about the other makes? Does this tend tobe > a big factor or not? > The Lotus and Eagle are fragile cars. If you are not lifting the throttle when upshifting, then you will surely blow the engines. The Ferrari and Cooper are probably more reliable, but still with poor technique and constant banging up and over the rev limit will damage any GPL engine. Especially with the Lotus, you'll also need to pay attention when the car gets airborne. If you don't lift off the gas...POOF! Another dead motor. Good Luck. Take care online. Your best defense when racing online is to try and be smooth. If you are NOT weaving all over through the turns, then the others will have much more confidence in you. Enjoy dave henrie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02

The secret to online racing is consistency. With consistency comes confidence in your driving abilities, and as Dave said, others will have confidence in you. Speed comes with experience. Just drive within your limits, watch your mirrors, and learn how to let faster cars safely past which will happen before you need to learn how to pass slower cars. Joel Willstein -- "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a corner till the time you brake for the next turn , then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donohue "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SBoR9.617537$NH2.40933@sccrnsc01... > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:av53fg$cag1q$[email hidden]... > > I am starting to feel a little more confident about my driving ability and > > would like to soon join some online races. I have started doing short AI > > races to try and get a better feel for it. One thing I am curious about > is > > vehicle reliability. I already had an Eagle fail on me on the first lap > of > > Spa. I have heard that the Brabham is reliable, the Lotus not, and > > apparently the Eagle not. What about the other makes? Does this tend to > be > > a big factor or not? > > > The Lotus and Eagle are fragile cars. If you are not lifting the throttle > when upshifting, then you will surely blow the engines. The Ferrari and > Cooper are probably more reliable, but still with poor technique and > constant banging up and over the rev limit will damage any GPL engine. > Especially with the Lotus, you'll also need to pay attention when the car > gets airborne. If you don't lift off the gas...POOF! Another dead motor. > Good Luck. Take care online. Your best defense when racing online is to > try and be smooth. If you are NOT weaving all over through the turns, then > the others will have much more confidence in you. > Enjoy > dave henrie > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > >

Understood, but the question that I am really trying to get answered is if there is any significant difference in the reliability of the different chassis. "Joel A. Willstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VKpR9.237401$[email hidden]...

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> The secret to online racing is consistency. With consistency comes > confidence in your driving abilities, and as Dave said, others will have > confidence in you. Speed comes with experience. Just drive within your > limits, watch your mirrors, and learn how to let faster cars safely past > which will happen before you need to learn how to pass slower cars. > > Joel Willstein > > -- > > > "If you can leave black marks on a straight from the time you exit a

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> till the time you brake for the next turn > , then you have enough horsepower." > Mark Donohue > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SBoR9.617537$NH2.40933@sccrnsc01... > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:av53fg$cag1q$[email hidden]... > > > I am starting to feel a little more confident about my driving ability > and > > > would like to soon join some online races. I have started doing short > AI > > > races to try and get a better feel for it. One thing I am curious

about > > is > > > vehicle reliability. I already had an Eagle fail on me on the firstlap

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> > of > > > Spa. I have heard that the Brabham is reliable, the Lotus not, and > > > apparently the Eagle not. What about the other makes? Does this tend > to > > be > > > a big factor or not? > > > > > The Lotus and Eagle are fragile cars. If you are not lifting the > throttle > > when upshifting, then you will surely blow the engines. The Ferrari and > > Cooper are probably more reliable, but still with poor technique and > > constant banging up and over the rev limit will damage any GPL engine. > > Especially with the Lotus, you'll also need to pay attention when the > car > > gets airborne. If you don't lift off the gas...POOF! Another dead

motor. > > Good Luck. Take care online. Your best defense when racing online isto

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> > try and be smooth. If you are NOT weaving all over through the turns, > then > > the others will have much more confidence in you. > > Enjoy > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > > > > > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av5bqg$c543v$[email hidden]... > Understood, but the question that I am really trying to get answered is if > there is any significant difference in the reliability of the different > chassis. > Yes, I gave you two ends of the spectrum. The Loti and Eagles blow easily. The Ferrari is a tank. You should be able to figure the rest are somewhere in the middle. dh --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02

Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av5bqg$c543v$[email hidden]... > Understood, but the question that I am really trying to get answered is if > there is any significant difference in the reliability of the different > chassis. > Dave answered that part. If you over rev any of them they will blow, but the Lotus and Eagle are the most sensitive. -- ChrisC F1 GPLRank -30.16

Okay then perhaps I have a misconception of reliability. I thought that there were random failures that would crop up, as in my case where the clutch went out on the first lap of Spa at Les Combes. But that was single player. Are you saying that in multiplayer that as long as you don't over rev the engine you won't be subjected to a failure? "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hrrR9.93854$[email hidden]... > > Dave answered that part. If you over rev any of them they will blow, butthe Lotus and Eagle are

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> the most sensitive. > > -- > ChrisC > > F1 GPLRank -30.16 > > > >

"Ferrari is a tank" tells me what I need to know. ;o) I can live without the Lotus, I will sort of miss the Eagle, but the Ferrari and the Brabham have lately been the ones I like most anyway, just from a driveability and handling standpoint. Sounds like I'm not likely to have a problem with either of those. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IjrR9.551781$%[email hidden]... > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:av5bqg$c543v$[email hidden]... > > Understood, but the question that I am really trying to get answered isif > > there is any significant difference in the reliability of the different > > chassis. > > > Yes, I gave you two ends of the spectrum. The Loti and Eaglesblow

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> easily. The Ferrari is a tank. You should be able to figure the rest are > somewhere in the middle. > dh > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 > >

Haqsau, I think that what they're trying to say is that there are random failures in both online and offline play. Those could happen to anyone, anywhere. However, you can contribute to an engine failure by overrevving the engine (again, both offline or online). In those cases the Lotus and Eagle seem to be most susceptible to failure. Your incident on the first lap at Spa was most likely one of those random failures.... Bert Haqsau wrote:

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> Okay then perhaps I have a misconception of reliability. I thought that > there were random failures that would crop up, as in my case where the > clutch went out on the first lap of Spa at Les Combes. But that was single > player. Are you saying that in multiplayer that as long as you don't over > rev the engine you won't be subjected to a failure? > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hrrR9.93854$[email hidden]... > > > > Dave answered that part. If you over rev any of them they will blow, but > the Lotus and Eagle are > > the most sensitive. > > > > -- > > ChrisC > > > > F1 GPLRank -30.16 > > > > > > > >

Haqsau, I think that what they're trying to say is that there are random failures in both online and offline play. Those could happen to anyone, anywhere. However, you can contribute to an engine failure by overrevving the engine (again, both offline or online). In those cases the Lotus and Eagle seem to be most susceptible to failure. Your incident on the first lap at Spa was most likely one of those random failures.... Bert

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> Okay then perhaps I have a misconception of reliability. I thought that > there were random failures that would crop up, as in my case where the > clutch went out on the first lap of Spa at Les Combes. But that was single > player. Are you saying that in multiplayer that as long as you don't over > rev the engine you won't be subjected to a failure? > > Dave answered that part. If you over rev any of them they will blow, but > the Lotus and Eagle are > > the most sensitive. > > -- > > ChrisC > > F1 GPLRank -30.16

>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes, I gave you two ends of the spectrum. The Loti and Eaglesblow > easily. The Ferrari is a tank. You should be able to figure the rest are > somewhere in the middle. The Ferrari just doesn't like to be steered in a straight line. It's will wants to go either left, or right ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <. > > > The Ferrari just doesn't like to be steered in a straight line. It's will > wants to go either left, or right ;) > Heck! I always thought it was ME! :) dh --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02

> Haqsau, > > I think that what they're trying to say is that there are random failures in > both online and offline play. Those could happen to anyone, anywhere. > However, you can contribute to an engine failure by overrevving the engine > (again, both offline or online). In those cases the Lotus and Eagle seem tobe > most susceptible to failure. > > Your incident on the first lap at Spa was most likely one of those random > failures.... Do random failures still happen in 'intermediate-long' races?

On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:04:24 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Do random failures still happen in 'intermediate-long' races? According to Kaemmer and Cassidy there is no such thing as random failures in GPL. I still don't believe them :) Andre

Wrongo! They're in there...and can be tuned within the AI .ini files. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:04:24 +1000, "Damien Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Do random failures still happen in 'intermediate-long' races? > > According to Kaemmer and Cassidy there is no such thing as random > failures in GPL. > > I still don't believe them :) > > Andre >

Steve, do those settings affect multiplayer failures also? I would think AI settings would only affect AI drivers in single player. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kyBR9.72847$[email hidden]... > Wrongo! They're in there...and can be tuned within the AI .ini files. >

> >Do random failures still happen in 'intermediate-long' races? > According to Kaemmer and Cassidy there is no such thing as random > failures in GPL. I think that is false. One of the GPL developers (no I don't recall the name) told me in vroc that, at the very least, the failure 'cause' (meaning any of various reasons given as to what component failed) is random. He did not specifically state that failures *in general* are also random, but I have to assume that is the case. rms [email hidden]

Dunno. Prolly not...altho I do seem to remember some odd exits of the AIs in multiplayer. Might be controlled by the server. My best guess would have to be NOT, however. If the original question related to the player's reliability, OTOH, the only consistent issue is engine damage from overrevving (usually downshifts or drafting, altho sometimes it seems like just spending too much time at the redline), but I have suffered some inexplicable anomalies like flat tires (definitely not modeled in the physics, so presumably a random-number seed-induced ":failure"). "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:av74ff$c3vki$[email hidden]... > Steve, do those settings affect multiplayer failures also? I would thinkAI

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> settings would only affect AI drivers in single player. > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kyBR9.72847$[email hidden]... > > Wrongo! They're in there...and can be tuned within the AI .ini files. > > > >

In article <hrrR9.93854$[email hidden]>, "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:av5bqg$c543v$[email hidden]... >> Understood, but the question that I am really trying to get answered is if >> there is any significant difference in the reliability of the different >> chassis. >> > >Dave answered that part. If you over rev any of them they will blow, but the >Lotus and Eagle are >the most sensitive.

Strange - a couple of guys in the Masters of GPL league were whining last year that the Honda was the most fragile. They laughed uproariously when I suggested that it was the Lotus... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <%rtR9.551031$WL3.149703@rwcrnsc54>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"ymenard" <. >> >> >> The Ferrari just doesn't like to be steered in a straight line. It's will >> wants to go either left, or right ;) >> > Heck! I always thought it was ME! :)

Hmm... I don't have that problem much with the Ferrari. With me, it's the BRAB... :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Strange - a couple of guys in the Masters of GPL league were whining lastyear > that the Honda was the most fragile. They laughed uproariously when I > suggested that it was the Lotus... :-( ime the Lotus is pretty reliable as long as you look after it. The Honda seems to just give up sometimes. I'd say the Honda was the car least likely to finish a race, in my hands at any rate ;-) Malc.

In article <c3GU9.4880$xE1.706811@stones>, "Malc" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > >> Strange - a couple of guys in the Masters of GPL league were whining last >year >> that the Honda was the most fragile. They laughed uproariously when I >> suggested that it was the Lotus... :-( > >ime the Lotus is pretty reliable as long as you look after it. The Honda >seems to just give up sometimes. > >I'd say the Honda was the car least likely to finish a race, in my hands at >any rate ;-)

Well, I guess I'll have to drive the Honda more. I can't *stand* it now. I've done most of my recent racing in the Lotus or Ferrari, and haven't had any reliability problems in either. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:-0.381 N2002 Rank:+17.59 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.