Nv40.72's Performance Report

I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. System Specs: 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) MSI K7 Master mobo eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks Win98SE DX8.1 (refreshed) IE6.1 RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 AGP=2x Fastwrites=off SBA=off 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) 29.80's = 8408 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): 29.80's = 79 FPS 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops stable, no abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completely stable, and I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for proof. NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. 2) Boot to shutdown. 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to shutdown. 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) - boot to shutdown. 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click "Waste Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. 7) Driver Install Complete. Regards, Tom

Thanks for the info Tom! Achim "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01... > I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's.

I have a GF3 and when I switched to the 40.72s my 3d mark score with stock clock rates was a little over 7000. Which is about were I had been running with my card overclocked to Ti500 speeds with the older drivers. Of course it didn't take me long to overclock it and get even more. :) MadDAWG

FWIW I have found that the method of changing video drivers to standard VGA before installing new drivers is not reliable. This method generally leaves old registry entries untouched, and also does not necessarily get rid of control panel utilities. Since Nvidia changed control panel utilities recently, that can be a problem. The better way is to first unzip the new drivers to a temporary directory, then uninstall the old drivers through the "add/remove programs" menu, and then when the pc is done rebooting and is redetecting your video card and trying to find drivers for it, click on the "have disk" option and point it at the directory for the new drivers. I have had no problems doing just this and nothing else, even when changing from an ATI card to a GF4. Fewer reboots and fewer problems. No need for Detonator Destroyer, no need to reinstall DirectX. YMMV. "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01...

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> NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > 2) Boot to shutdown. > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > shutdown. > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) -

boot > to shutdown. > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click"Waste

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> Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > Regards, > > Tom > > >

Haqsau..... That method works well, too. And, that is generally the steps I would use when installing interim reference drivers (interim = between WHQL versions). However, with the WHQL driver versions, comes an "exe installer" and that sweeps the registry entries clean as well as deleting previous inf driver files (those lingering devils can cause you to select the wrong driver if you don't pay attention). Regarding DX reinstall.....I just do it as a "habit".......since those files are easily corrupted. It probably is not necessary these days....but I don't see any harm.....and you know the Mr. Murphy would like me to NOT do it just once....so he can screw with my system. Also, I don't use the "properties tabs" for video card settings.....so I don't care whether there's new control panel utilities or not. I use RivaTuner for all that......and usually install the latest version of that at the same time with the new WHQL drivers. I have stopped installing "interim" drivers.......they rarely addressed "issues" with my system.....and created a fair amount of instability. Now, I just go with the WHQL versions......less work, too. Tom "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar36t4$f1lc3$[email hidden]...

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> FWIW I have found that the method of changing video drivers to standard > VGA before installing new drivers is not reliable. This method > generally leaves old registry entries untouched, and also does not > necessarily get rid of control panel utilities. Since Nvidia changed > control panel utilities recently, that can be a problem. The better way > is to first unzip the new drivers to a temporary directory, then > uninstall the old drivers through the "add/remove programs" menu, and > then when the pc is done rebooting and is redetecting your video card > and trying to find drivers for it, click on the "have disk" option and > point it at the directory for the new drivers. I have had no problems > doing just this and nothing else, even when changing from an ATI card to > a GF4. Fewer reboots and fewer problems. No need for Detonator > Destroyer, no need to reinstall DirectX. YMMV. > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01... > > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > > 2) Boot to shutdown. > > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > > shutdown. > > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) - > boot > > to shutdown. > > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click > "Waste > > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > > >

I hear there are issues with this release that have been tied to utilities that fix the 60hz issue with Win2K/XP. Apparantly the 40.72 drivers don't like these guys... Which means I can't install the 40.72's. I will NOT run a 22" monitor at 60hz in my games. I don't want to have to pit to puke every 10 laps. -Larry "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01...

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> I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. > > System Specs: > 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) > 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) > MSI K7 Master mobo > eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks > Win98SE > DX8.1 (refreshed) > IE6.1 > RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 > AGP=2x > Fastwrites=off > SBA=off > > 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) > 29.80's = 8408 > 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) > > NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): > 29.80's = 79 FPS > 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) > > All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops stable, no > abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completely stable,

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> I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for > proof. > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > 2) Boot to shutdown. > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > shutdown. > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) - boot > to shutdown. > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click "Waste > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > Regards, > > Tom > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2oaB9.7556$[email hidden]...

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> I hear there are issues with this release that have been tied to utilities > that fix the 60hz issue with Win2K/XP. Apparantly the 40.72 drivers don't > like these guys... > > Which means I can't install the 40.72's. I will NOT run a 22" monitor at > 60hz in my games. I don't want to have to pit to puke every 10 laps. > > -Larry

I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not "stuck" in 60hz. The reason I say this is I got an "outta range" error and I doubt that 60hz is outt range even at 1600 for my monitor. Maybe that game overrides windows some how. MadDAWG

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2oaB9.7556$[email hidden]... > I hear there are issues with this release that have been tied to utilities > that fix the 60hz issue with Win2K/XP. When is an UPgrade, NOT an Upgrade? answer: see above. dh Apparantly the 40.72 drivers don't

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> like these guys... > > Which means I can't install the 40.72's. I will NOT run a 22" monitor at > 60hz in my games. I don't want to have to pit to puke every 10 laps. > > -Larry > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01... > > I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. > > > > System Specs: > > 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) > > 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) > > MSI K7 Master mobo > > eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks > > Win98SE > > DX8.1 (refreshed) > > IE6.1 > > RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 > > AGP=2x > > Fastwrites=off > > SBA=off > > > > 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) > > 29.80's = 8408 > > 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) > > > > NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): > > 29.80's = 79 FPS > > 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) > > > > All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops stable,

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> > abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completely stable, > and > > I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for > > proof. > > > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > > 2) Boot to shutdown. > > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > > shutdown. > > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) -

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> > to shutdown. > > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click "Waste > > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > >

I was ready to uninstall the 40.72's due to the rr problem...the rr utility in Riva Tuner corrected the problem in desktop but reverted to 60hz in GPL using D3D or OpenGL...installed ReForce and the rr problem is gone. I've not run any benchmarks but performance on my rig has increased with this version. DN "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2oaB9.7556$[email hidden]...

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> I hear there are issues with this release that have been tied to utilities > that fix the 60hz issue with Win2K/XP. Apparantly the 40.72 drivers don't > like these guys... > > Which means I can't install the 40.72's. I will NOT run a 22" monitor at > 60hz in my games. I don't want to have to pit to puke every 10 laps. > > -Larry > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01... > > I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. > > > > System Specs: > > 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) > > 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) > > MSI K7 Master mobo > > eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks > > Win98SE > > DX8.1 (refreshed) > > IE6.1 > > RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 > > AGP=2x > > Fastwrites=off > > SBA=off > > > > 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) > > 29.80's = 8408 > > 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) > > > > NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): > > 29.80's = 79 FPS > > 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) > > > > All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops stable,

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> > abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completely stable, > and > > I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for > > proof. > > > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > > 2) Boot to shutdown. > > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > > shutdown. > > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) -

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> > to shutdown. > > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click "Waste > > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > >

This driver set causes problems on my system. In 2D I get a stutter, kinda like a HD access. 3d is fine though. I went back to Omega drivers. Mitch "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01...

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> I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. > > System Specs: > 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) > 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) > MSI K7 Master mobo > eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks > Win98SE > DX8.1 (refreshed) > IE6.1 > RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 > AGP=2x > Fastwrites=off > SBA=off > > 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) > 29.80's = 8408 > 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) > > NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): > 29.80's = 79 FPS > 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) > > All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops stable, no > abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completely stable,

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> I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for > proof. > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > 2) Boot to shutdown. > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > shutdown. > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) - boot > to shutdown. > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click "Waste > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > Regards, > > Tom > > >

I tried the 40.72 driver today, but (in GPL at least) I found that while the performance was okay while driving, the menus seemed very slow, almost unusably slow. It's funny, because it seemed only to effect the menu you get when you enter a track and the car set-up menu. When in the track menu, the replay portion of the screen would stutter along with the sound. I reverted back to 30.82, and all is fine again. My system is: - 1GHz Athlon C Asus A7V133 256Mb PC133 Ti4400 SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 Nothing is overclocked. Andrew. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I have a GF3 and when I switched to the 40.72s my 3d mark score with stock > clock rates was a little over 7000. Which is about were I had been running > with my card overclocked to Ti500 speeds with the older drivers. Of course > it didn't take me long to overclock it and get even more. :) > > MadDAWG > >

That's why I went back to the 30.82's. Menus and mouse movement were slow in GPL, even just trying to move the mouse. I have: 900 mhz Celeron ASUS CUSL2 384 mb PC133 128 mb Ti 4200 SB Live 5.1 Win 98 Not much in common there, except a slow CPU, a GF4, and the SB Live. What OS are you using? "Andrew Hollom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x6vB9.27105$[email hidden]... > I tried the 40.72 driver today, but (in GPL at least) I found thatwhile the > performance was okay while driving, the menus seemed very slow, almost > unusably slow. It's funny, because it seemed only to effect the menuyou get > when you enter a track and the car set-up menu. When in the trackmenu, the

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> replay portion of the screen would stutter along with the sound. > > I reverted back to 30.82, and all is fine again. > > My system is: - > 1GHz Athlon C > Asus A7V133 > 256Mb PC133 > Ti4400 > SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 > > Nothing is overclocked. > > Andrew. >

Sorry, I forgot the OS, which is Win98SE. Andrew. "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar61u7$fjeep$[email hidden]...

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> That's why I went back to the 30.82's. Menus and mouse movement were > slow in GPL, even just trying to move the mouse. I have: > > 900 mhz Celeron > ASUS CUSL2 > 384 mb PC133 > 128 mb Ti 4200 > SB Live 5.1 > Win 98 > > Not much in common there, except a slow CPU, a GF4, and the SB Live. > What OS are you using? > > > "Andrew Hollom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:x6vB9.27105$[email hidden]... > > I tried the 40.72 driver today, but (in GPL at least) I found that > while the > > performance was okay while driving, the menus seemed very slow, almost > > unusably slow. It's funny, because it seemed only to effect the menu > you get > > when you enter a track and the car set-up menu. When in the track > menu, the > > replay portion of the screen would stutter along with the sound. > > > > I reverted back to 30.82, and all is fine again. > > > > My system is: - > > 1GHz Athlon C > > Asus A7V133 > > 256Mb PC133 > > Ti4400 > > SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 > > > > Nothing is overclocked. > > > > Andrew. > > >

IMHO, Refresh Force is the best of the breed out there right now. It actually seems to understand and take into consideration the potential for multiple monitor entries in the registry, and actually tags the PROPER active monitor for the changes. I think this is where some of the other RR utilities fail. -Larry "Dino" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D4jB9.11809$[email hidden]... > I was ready to uninstall the 40.72's due to the rr problem...the rrutility > in Riva Tuner corrected the problem in desktop but reverted to 60hz in GPL > using D3D or OpenGL...installed ReForce and the rr problem is gone. I'venot

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> run any benchmarks but performance on my rig has increased with this > version. > > DN > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2oaB9.7556$[email hidden]... > > I hear there are issues with this release that have been tied to

utilities > > that fix the 60hz issue with Win2K/XP. Apparantly the 40.72 driversdon't > > like these guys... > > > > Which means I can't install the 40.72's. I will NOT run a 22" monitorat

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> > 60hz in my games. I don't want to have to pit to puke every 10 laps. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Cq0B9.26974$NH2.2163@sccrnsc01... > > > I just installed the 40.72's, from 29.80's. > > > > > > System Specs: > > > 1.4 gig AMD Athy (1466, @ 11.0 multiplier) > > > 512 RAM (PC2100 DDR) > > > MSI K7 Master mobo > > > eVGA GF4 ti 4200 (128mb) stock clocks > > > Win98SE > > > DX8.1 (refreshed) > > > IE6.1 > > > RivaTuner 2.0, RC12 > > > AGP=2x > > > Fastwrites=off > > > SBA=off > > > > > > 3DM01(SE) Scores: (all scores are 3 runs, averaged) > > > 29.80's = 8408 > > > 40.72's = 9106 (8.3% increase) > > > > > > NASCAR-2002 Bench (OGL, 1280x960x32+Quinc, but Aniso=off): > > > 29.80's = 79 FPS > > > 40.72's = 88 FPS (11.4% increase) > > > > > > All D3D apps/games stable, no abnormalities. All normal biz ops

stable, > no > > > abnormalities. N2K2 is the only OGL game I run, it is completelystable,

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> > and > > > I swear the jaggies have declined noticeably....but can't bench it for > > > proof. > > > > > > NV40.72 Driver Installation Outline: > > > 1) Go to video properties, change video driver to Standard VGA. > > > 2) Boot to shutdown. > > > 3) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, delete Nvidia folder contents - boot to > > > shutdown. > > > 4) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, reinstall DX8.1 - boot to shutdown. > > > 5) Boot to VGA 640 desktop, install Nv40.72's (using exe installer) - > boot > > > to shutdown. > > > 6) Boot to 800 desktop, reset desktop to 1280x960x32, right click

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> > > Basket" to reset all desktop icons to original positions. > > > 7) Driver Install Complete. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >