Don't waste your $$$ on Nascar Thunder...

If Papy's last sim will be N2003 what is a sim racer supposed to do. N thunder is a joke. First off it won't recognize my TSW. Here we go again. F1 2001 did not, 2002 did. I figured EA had this simple issue sorted out. Wrong. Papy's games never had controller issues. Seems like a modern day N Heat. Which could be ok but if EA already knows what Papy is capable of why not try to top them. So this is what we are stuck with. Great... I was just burned for $40. Took the game back to EB and they gave me a store credit. Well watch for a post coming in the next few weeks. My TSW GT will be up for sale. Best offer gets it. It is in great condition. I would rather spend my time doing something more constructive. Pity...after GPL I thought the future of racing sims looked very bright. Please don't mention the West brothers as saviors either. They should be working for EA. Goodbye to pc racing... DC

David Ciemny wrote: > Goodbye to pc racing... Go here ---> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GPL_Church/ Sinner!

hehe..there might be hope for me after all... DC Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> David Ciemny wrote: > > > Goodbye to pc racing... > > Go here ---> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GPL_Church/ > > Sinner!

David Ciemny wrote: > > hehe..there might be hope for me after all... Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the new GPLEA BRM. Bless you my son. Rev. G D Aitken

I'll give it a whirl... Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> David Ciemny wrote: > > > > hehe..there might be hope for me after all... > > Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the > new GPLEA BRM. > > Bless you my son. > > Rev. G D Aitken

"David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1yBr9.10687$[email hidden]... > > Goodbye to pc racing... If I had a nickel for everytime somebody decided that sims are dead on the pc I'd be a rich....errr, well, I'd probably have about 20 bucks. -Tim

call in the exorcist...need more than 20 laps at ss... my wheel is floating around the room.... Tim Miser <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1yBr9.10687$[email hidden]... > > > > Goodbye to pc racing... > > If I had a nickel for everytime somebody decided that sims are dead on the > pc I'd be a rich....errr, well, I'd probably have about 20 bucks. > > -Tim > > >

Out of curiosity, I went to the store and bought the game... I have one thing to say: BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! But that wouldn't be totally fair. Graphics are unimpressive and as "grainy" as the pictures seen on the internet. I got my TSW to work in WinXp, but the controller interface is one of the least user friendly I have seen. 1) For some reason, the car would loose power (no other way to explain it) in the corners. You have to come to a dead stop in the corners and shift to Neutral to get going. 2) FPS take a HUGE hit when you open the pit menu window, and that was only in testing, with no other cars on the track. 3) Graphics look crappy. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna stick with N2002 for quite some time. 4) again control setup is way too convoluted. What's digital value anyway? I thought digital input was for gamepads on/off type of interface... Good things: 1) you can adjust tire wear and fuel consumption in regards to the race length. 2) the sound isn't too bad. -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1yBr9.10687$[email hidden]... > If Papy's last sim will be N2003 what is a sim racer supposed to do. N > thunder is a joke. > > First off it won't recognize my TSW. Here we go again. F1 2001 did not, 2002 > did. I figured EA had this simple issue sorted out. Wrong. Papy's games > never had controller issues. > > Seems like a modern day N Heat. Which could be ok but if EA already knows > what Papy is capable of why not try to top them. So this is what we are > stuck with. Great... > > I was just burned for $40. Took the game back to EB and they gave me a store > credit. > > Well watch for a post coming in the next few weeks. My TSW GT will be up for > sale. Best offer gets it. It is in great condition. > > I would rather spend my time doing something more constructive. > > Pity...after GPL I thought the future of racing sims looked very bright. > Please don't mention the West brothers as saviors either. They should be > working for EA. > > Goodbye to pc racing... > > DC > >

But.........but.............but................Ed Martin said it'd be great ! :) John "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1yBr9.10687$[email hidden]... > If Papy's last sim will be N2003 what is a sim racer supposed to do. N > thunder is a joke. > > First off it won't recognize my TSW. Here we go again. F1 2001 did not,2002

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> did. I figured EA had this simple issue sorted out. Wrong. Papy's games > never had controller issues. > > Seems like a modern day N Heat. Which could be ok but if EA already knows > what Papy is capable of why not try to top them. So this is what we are > stuck with. Great... > > I was just burned for $40. Took the game back to EB and they gave me a

store > credit. > > Well watch for a post coming in the next few weeks. My TSW GT will be upfor

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> sale. Best offer gets it. It is in great condition. > > I would rather spend my time doing something more constructive. > > Pity...after GPL I thought the future of racing sims looked very bright. > Please don't mention the West brothers as saviors either. They should be > working for EA. > > Goodbye to pc racing... > > DC > >

>"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote > Out of curiosity, I went to the store and bought the game... I have one > thing to say: > BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Pourquoi, pourquoi? ? :) The worst thing, is that the game engine gives us very crappy tracks. The accuracy is not good at all, in fact it's around the level of what Papyrus had back in N2. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:17:59 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The worst thing, is that the game engine gives us very crappy tracks. The >accuracy is not good at all, in fact it's around the level of what Papyrus >had back in N2. Whoa, don't insult the N2 tracks like that!! Jason

"David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<1yBr9.10687$[email hidden]>...

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> If Papy's last sim will be N2003 what is a sim racer supposed to do. N > thunder is a joke. > > First off it won't recognize my TSW. Here we go again. F1 2001 did not, 2002 > did. I figured EA had this simple issue sorted out. Wrong. Papy's games > never had controller issues. > > Seems like a modern day N Heat. Which could be ok but if EA already knows > what Papy is capable of why not try to top them. So this is what we are > stuck with. Great... > > I was just burned for $40. Took the game back to EB and they gave me a store > credit. > > Well watch for a post coming in the next few weeks. My TSW GT will be up for > sale. Best offer gets it. It is in great condition. > > I would rather spend my time doing something more constructive. > > Pity...after GPL I thought the future of racing sims looked very bright. > Please don't mention the West brothers as saviors either. They should be > working for EA. > > Goodbye to pc racing... > > DC

Well, Let's say I have some ���� to waste...hehee.. not really, but I do buy everything that's about 4 wheels out there... So... any news for release date in UK? thx.. Stefano Casillo driving.multiplayer.it/netkar

Because I'm an idiot who thought that this GAME might have some potential (based on some screenshots and previews/short reviews I've read). NT2003 doesn't qualify as something fun. Heck, the thing doesn't even work right in a testing session (the car stalls mid corners... you have to "push" start it back in neutral... I mean come on...). The tracks look awful. Watch any in-car camera from a Cup event and tell me those tracks look realistic... Is N2002 by Papyrus totally realistic? I don't know about totally but it seems reasonnable to think that a sim that requires some practice to be fast, with some garage tweaking that actually does something, online gaming that is both entertaining (in a league) and challenging be enough to satisfy any simmers interested in Cup racing (perhaps emulating their favorite drivers on their pc... :) to all those Bodines out there). -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MXLr9.8242$[email hidden]... > >"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Out of curiosity, I went to the store and bought the game... I have one > > thing to say: > > BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > > Pourquoi, pourquoi? ? :) > > > The worst thing, is that the game engine gives us very crappy tracks. The > accuracy is not good at all, in fact it's around the level of what Papyrus > had back in N2. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >

>"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote > Because I'm an idiot who thought that this GAME might have some potential > (based on some screenshots and previews/short reviews I've read). You thought QNS would switch to it and you would have a headstart on everybody? ;-P > NT2003 doesn't qualify as something fun. Heck, the thing doesn't even work > right in a testing session (the car stalls mid corners... you have to"push" > start it back in neutral... I mean come on...). The tracks look awful.Watch > any in-car camera from a Cup event and tell me those tracks look > realistic... > > Is N2002 by Papyrus totally realistic? I don't know about totally but it > seems reasonnable to think that a sim that requires some practice to be > fast, with some garage tweaking that actually does something, onlinegaming > that is both entertaining (in a league) and challenging be enough tosatisfy > any simmers interested in Cup racing (perhaps emulating their favorite > drivers on their pc... :) to all those Bodines out there). Vrai... vrai... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:53:38 -0400, "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote: >drivers on their pc... :) to all those Bodines out there). Funny enough, I simulated through a few races of a championship season to see how the season mode in NT2003 is (basically exactly like F1 2002, altho from what I can tell it doesn't properly credit 5 points for leading the most laps, just for leading a lap). The first race, at Daytona, went to Todd Bodine who led about 160 laps. =) Jason

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:57:28 -0600, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > But.........but.............but................Ed Martin said it'd be >great ! And Bill says so too, so the rest of the world is wrong. Andre

LOL Fran�ois. J'ai tu vraiment besoin d'un "headstart?" ;) Maybe I should practice my qualifying runs a little bit more :) -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ty2s9.9269$[email hidden]... > >"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Because I'm an idiot who thought that this GAME might have some potential > > (based on some screenshots and previews/short reviews I've read). > > You thought QNS would switch to it and you would have a headstart on > everybody? ;-P > > >

Andre Warringa wrote:

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> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:57:28 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> But.........but.............but................Ed Martin said it'd >> be great ! > > And Bill says so too, so the rest of the world is wrong. > > Andre

Lol, yeah but ain't it great to be wrong? About 40 bucks richer anyways :). -- Don Burnette

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> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:57:28 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> But.........but.............but................Ed Martin said it'd >> be great ! > > And Bill says so too, so the rest of the world is wrong. > > Andre

Lol, yeah but ain't it great to be wrong? About 40 bucks richer anyways :). -- Don Burnette

>"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote > J'ai tu vraiment besoin d'un "headstart?" ;) Ouais pour battre Nick et sa luck ;-P (ack je suis 8�me �a fait piti� trop de DNF lol). > Maybe I should practice my qualifying runs a little bit more :) It almost worked at Dega. You went to third after the big wreck involving me. Btw why are we jumping randomly from a language to un autre? :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: >Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the >new GPLEA BRM. BRM?!?! Bleah... I'd rather go to hell.<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the > >new GPLEA BRM. > > BRM?!?! Bleah... > I'd rather go to hell.<g> > > Eldred > --

Sssshhh! Careful what you say Eldred, Now somebody is gonna get pissed you are dissing the GPLEA BRM. Dangit,,,now I'VE done-it too. we are all doooomed. Speaking of Doom, if ID released Doom with a multiplayer module that only allowed about 4 or 5 broadband connections, with NO dedicated server, would the FPS crowd go NUTS???? dave henrie

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the > >new GPLEA BRM. > > BRM?!?! Bleah... > I'd rather go to hell.<g>

Your place in sim heaven is already assured, my son. GPL.exe is all seeing & all knowing. Rev. G.D Aitken

On 20 Oct 2002 02:29:21 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >GPLRank:+8.03 >N2002 Rank:+20.124 A little less whining, and a little more work on the ranks, son. =) Jason

Boy, they DO have to work on the realism, don't they :) -Larry "Jason Moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:53:38 -0400, "Philster" > <[email hidden]> wrote: >The first race, at Daytona, went to Todd Bodine who led about 160 laps. =) > > Jason

In article <Ldss9.20663$%d2.17561@sccrnsc01>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > Sssshhh! Careful what you say Eldred, Now somebody is gonna get pissed >you are dissing the GPLEA BRM. Dangit,,,now I'VE done-it too. >we are all doooomed. Speaking of Doom, if ID released Doom with a >multiplayer module that only allowed about 4 or 5 broadband connections, >with NO dedicated server, would the FPS crowd go NUTS???? > Well, considering Doom I & II had 4-player(LAN), they should be used to it...<g> How many did Final Doom allow? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jason Moyer) writes: >On 20 Oct 2002 02:29:21 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>GPLRank:+8.03 >>N2002 Rank:+20.124 > >A little less whining, and a little more work on the ranks, son. =) Whining? I just can't stand the BRM - it's a POS. I don't give a damn WHAT group makes the car shapes.<g> My rank is actually +6-something - I just never updated my .sig. Thanks for the reminder. I've given up on it getting better, though. I think it took me about 6 months to drop those 2 seconds... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the >> >new GPLEA BRM. >> >> BRM?!?! Bleah... >> I'd rather go to hell.<g> > >Your place in sim heaven is already assured, my son. > >GPL.exe is all seeing & all knowing. > >Rev. G.D Aitken

Thank you Reverend - you've taken a load off my mind... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+6.21 N2002 Rank:+18.91 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Well, considering Doom I & II had 4-player(LAN), they should be used to > it...<g> > How many did Final Doom allow? > > Eldred Whoops! forgot the III --shoulda been Doom III. Now since you asked, we started going head to head with Doom. But there was a Bulletin Board enhancement that would allow 4 players to play against each other online, I can't remember if it was Doom or Doom II tho. Those titanic battles were classic. All of us running for the best weapon, yes there was some lag on our 14.4 modems it was till playable...then we tried racing...with World Circuit..totally opposite end of the quality online spectrum. The only good feature of WC was the ability to SAVE a race that got disco'd. We got cut off once, both of us saved the game, rebooted, reconnected, loaded the saved game and finished the race...THAT was brilliant. dave henrie

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >EldredP wrote: > >> > >> In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > >> <[email hidden]> writes: > >> > >> >Your trip to salvation will begin with twenty laps of Silverstone in the > >> >new GPLEA BRM. > >> > >> BRM?!?! Bleah... > >> I'd rather go to hell.<g> > > > >Your place in sim heaven is already assured, my son. > > > >GPL.exe is all seeing & all knowing. > > > >Rev. G.D Aitken > > Thank you Reverend - you've taken a load off my mind... >

Eldred, no need to be so formal, your grace will do. ;)