OT: Futute of CART

I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART (IRL). My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to 20 car grids. Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two or three car teams. Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except Michael) because of Kool and Honda. Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't be surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the tobacco ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of the moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL ie.KOOL and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that going to shake everything out?

Think you might see Players back in the traditional blue cars, but with somebody else's name on the car. Everybody will know who it is. Then they can split the cost with another sponsor. Just my guess, but what do I know. :> -- Brian Tate

You grouped CART and IRL together. Probably not a good idea. CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor, though. -Larry "Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... > I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART (IRL). > > My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to 20car

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> grids. > Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two or > three car teams. > Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except > Michael) because of Kool and Honda. > Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't be > surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. > Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. > > What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the

tobacco > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of the > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRLie.KOOL

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> and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that > going to shake everything out? > > > >

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l1cd9.38501$[email hidden]... > You grouped CART and IRL together. Probably not a good idea. > Does anyone find it odd that the Son of Satan, who owns the Indy track, has suceeded in pulling big time racing teams away from the CART league because of pressure from Cancer Producers? Call me old fashion, but I remmeber a time when the sponsors were Valvoline or STP or other AUTO releated items. Now to race competively, you must get in bed with death merchants. dave henrie > CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor,though.

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> > -Larry > > "Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message > news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... > > I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART (IRL). > > > > My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to 20 > car > > grids. > > Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two

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> > three car teams. > > Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except > > Michael) because of Kool and Honda. > > Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't be > > surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. > > Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. > > > > What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the > tobacco > > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of

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> > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL > ie.KOOL > > and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. > > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that > > going to shake everything out? > > > > > > > > > >

And just how many people are killed by automobiles each year? No one makes people smoke. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l1cd9.38501$[email hidden]... > > You grouped CART and IRL together. Probably not a good idea. > > > > Does anyone find it odd that the Son of Satan, who owns the Indy track, > has suceeded in pulling big time racing teams away from the CART league > because of pressure from Cancer Producers? > Call me old fashion, but I remmeber a time when the sponsors were > Valvoline or STP or other AUTO releated items. Now to race competively, you > must get in bed with death merchants. > dave henrie > > > CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor, > though. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message > > news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... > > > I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART (IRL). > > > > > > My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to 20 > > car > > > grids. > > > Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two > or > > > three car teams. > > > Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except > > > Michael) because of Kool and Honda. > > > Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't be > > > surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. > > > Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. > > > > > > What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the > > tobacco > > > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of > the > > > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL > > ie.KOOL > > > and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. > > > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that > > > going to shake everything out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

similar problem over here in Europe with F1 - its a sad story, but nothing than can be done bout it I am afraid I am sure, some people will want to create the illusion that autosport without Cancer products is impossible if Cancer products can be sponsors, I don't see ANY product not being a sponsor (condoms would be funny though) let's look at this as a crisis (although a manipulated one), that will have as outcome that Cancer products will no longer be aloud, and the sport itself will relive again .. it will take a couple of years though "And just how many people are killed by automobiles each year? No one makes people smoke." -> living your live without driving a car, is not easy I guess, living without smoking is something than can be done easily .. by some "No one makes people smoke ?" -> certainly dont blame commercials, they wouldnt have anything to do with this .. or do they ? Bryon Lape wrote:

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> > And just how many people are killed by automobiles each year? No one makes > people smoke. > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:l1cd9.38501$[email hidden]... > > > You grouped CART and IRL together. Probably not a good idea. > > > > > > > Does anyone find it odd that the Son of Satan, who owns the Indy track, > > has suceeded in pulling big time racing teams away from the CART league > > because of pressure from Cancer Producers? > > Call me old fashion, but I remmeber a time when the sponsors were > > Valvoline or STP or other AUTO releated items. Now to race competively, you > > must get in bed with death merchants. > > dave henrie > > > > > CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor, > > though. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > "Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message > > > news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART (IRL). > > > > > > > > My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to 20 > > > car > > > > grids. > > > > Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two > > or > > > > three car teams. > > > > Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except > > > > Michael) because of Kool and Honda. > > > > Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't be > > > > surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. > > > > Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. > > > > > > > > What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the > > > tobacco > > > > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of > > the > > > > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL > > > ie.KOOL > > > > and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. > > > > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that > > > > going to shake everything out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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...not to mention that OTHER social disease: alcohol sponsors. But, it wasn't only POLs (petroleum, oils & lubricants) on the sides of Indy cars. Remember Provimi Veal? Sugarripe Prune Juice? Central Excavating? Fike Plumbing? Olsonite toilet seats? "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5tdd9.133738$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l1cd9.38501$[email hidden]... > > You grouped CART and IRL together. Probably not a good idea. > > > > Does anyone find it odd that the Son of Satan, who owns the Indy track, > has suceeded in pulling big time racing teams away from the CART league > because of pressure from Cancer Producers? > Call me old fashion, but I remmeber a time when the sponsors were > Valvoline or STP or other AUTO releated items. Now to race competively,

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> must get in bed with death merchants. > dave henrie > > > CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor, > though. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message > > news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... > > > I'm just curious as to what every one sees as the future of CART

(IRL). > > > > > > My prognostications from the announcement this weekend would be 18 to20

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> > car > > > grids. > > > Rahl, Forsythe, Patrick, Fernandez, Newman-Haas and Walker in with two > or > > > three car teams. > > > Team Green/Andretti will move to the IRL. (but not the drivers, except > > > Michael) because of Kool and Honda. > > > Gannasi will shift focus to the IRL because of Toyota, but I wouldn't

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> > > surprised if he fields one car in CART to keep his hand in. > > > Mo Nunn, probably gone to IRL if around at all. > > > > > > What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the > > tobacco > > > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of > the > > > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL > > ie.KOOL > > > and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie.

Player's. > > > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how'sthat

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> > > going to shake everything out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You should know it's YOUR fault. =) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Brian Tate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Think you might see Players back in the traditional blue cars, but with > somebody else's name on the car. Everybody will know who it is. Then they > can split the cost with another sponsor. > > Just my guess, but what do I know. :> > > > -- > Brian Tate > > >

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:59:46 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Remember Provimi Veal? Sugarripe Prune Juice? Central Excavating? Fike >Plumbing? Olsonite toilet seats? Morton Salt!! Jason ----- GPLRank 24.50 N2002Rank -12.995

In article <SAmd9.186268$[email hidden]>, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: >...not to mention that OTHER social disease: alcohol sponsors. > Don't worry, the crybabies have a plan in the works for a new "social disease". The World Health Organization just released a report that a "couch potatoe" lifestyle causes more illness than smoking. Guess they'll be going after television producers next. Maybe couch manufacturers too. Don McCorkle

Did Somebody say Bourbon? :-) Darf "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SAmd9.186268$[email hidden]... > ...not to mention that OTHER social disease: alcohol sponsors.

"Euan Gilmour" <egilmour@*NOSPAM*home.com> wrote in message news:Hh6d9.255882$[email hidden]... <snip>

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> What I'm interested in is 2004. As I understand it that's when the tobacco > ban kicks in in America (North America?). It seems recently a lot of the > moves have been lead by big tobacco money either pulling for the IRL ie.KOOL > and Marlboro or pushing for CART and Canadian races/racers ie. Player's. > What's going to happen after 2004 with no more tobacco money, how's that > going to shake everything out? >

We've had tobacco advertising bans for a few years in Australia (international motor sport events being an exception eg gold coast indy and the AGP) and it has not greatly affected the sizes of our local competitions. In most cases either oil companies, car manufacturers or completely unrelated industries have picked up the slack. The "lack of downturn" is evident in the fact that we have to run 2 seperate V8 touring cars series due to the shear numbers of entries. (and to give the top guys a clear track). I will admit, this is different to CART as the costs are a bit lower (not as much as you think!) and car manufacturers can get more out of it as it is their cars which are being raced - Reynard don't make road cars AFAIK so this wouldn't work. But I don't think the end of tobacco sponsorship will kill motorsport in the USA, it will just enact a shift like in the rest of the world. The real bummer is, you can't make an indycar from a cig packet anymore... OMG it's the end of origami too! iksteh

In article <[email hidden]>, Bryon Lape <[email hidden]> writes: >And just how many people are killed by automobiles each year? No one makes >people smoke. Technically, no one makes people drive either... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank:+8.03 N2002 Rank:+20.124 Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Technically, no one makes people drive either... > > Eldred OK letme stir the pot some more. The Marlboro sponsors of Team Penske forced his move to the IRL. Because US law limits the advertising of Cigarettes to just one series per team. That is why in 2001 the Penske's were without Marlboro branding at Indy. So rather than continue to advertise in CART they chose to Put all their eggs in the Indianapolis 500 basket. The same thing will happen with Andretti Kool Green this next year, the KOOL brand MUST be seen on TV so it's Indy or bust. However, what happens in two more years when the Smokes are banned outright? Will the tobacco sponsored teams stay with the IRL or return to Cart?(obviously with new sponsorship) Is the IRL victory a short-term one or longterm? dave henrie

Tony Van Cauter <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > condoms would be funny though > Durex used to sponsor a certain Formula One team, and the car became known as 'the small family car' :-).

In article <l1cd9.38501$[email hidden]>, Larry <[email hidden]> wrote: > CART would probably do better if Pampers was a major series sponsor, though. > Someone who produces bovine droppings would probably be a good IRL sponsor. :) Take care. - Loren