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by **Tony Whitle** » Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:49:57

Maybe your motherboard is shorting on the pillars under the***holes?
There should be some insulating washers supplied with your motherboard. I've
had a similar experience in the past - I never did really find out what
caused it, I quit when it started working.

Welcome to the wonderful world of electronics!

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by **Matt Miragli** » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:59:14

Pierre.......what are you doing? Long time no hear..<vbg>

:o)

Matt Miraglia
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> > I'm in the process of building a new system. Athlon 1.1G, V5 video, etc. I
> > powered it on - it doesn't work(no bootno display, no beep). I tried the ram
> > and video in another system, they work fine. That leaves either the system
> > board or CPU. When I turn on the system, the lights on the keyboard flash,
> > then go out like normal. After that, hitting capslock or scroll lock don't
> > turn on the associated lights. The fact that the lights come on in the first
> > place tells me that the system board is going through at least PART of the
> > POST, so the CPU is the problem. Does that seem like an accurate assessment?
> > This pisses me off - I was looking forward to being able to run GP3 and F12K,
> > and running GPL with all the details on...

> If your motherboard is an ABIT KT7, take a look at the troubleshooting
> section at this page: http://home.wanadoo.nl/howland/kt7faq/kt7faq.htm.

by **Cobr** » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:53:38

I would be willing to bet if you placed fiber washers under the heads of the
screws holding the MB it will solve your problem. It is a grounding problem
that is seen on ABIT boards.

GL

> >What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't
have
> >the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
> >shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu. What
are
> >the exact system specs you are trying to put together? This will greatly
> >help people who are trying to diagnose your problem.Hope this helps. Good
> >luck.
> > Doug

> AZ11 mobo, Athlon 1.1G, Voodoo 5, 128MB. The CPU fan is plugged in
correctly,
> and it *is* spinning....
> <checks a few more things...>

> Hmm...I just pulled all the screws out of the motherboard as Don
suggested, and
> disconnected all drive cables. I have a startup screen now. Ok, so the
mobo
> and CPU *do* work(whew...). Now I just have to figure out what was
> shorted/connected wrong...

> Eldred
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by **Jeff Hail** » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:01

Hi E,
I would bet that the short is at the third***on the underside of the
board. You will probably need in insulation washer on the bottom of the
board at that screw. When I put my new machine together, I used a meter to
measure between the case and all power supply connections for shorts before
turning it on. If you don't have a meter, even the cheap Radidio Schmuck
special will tell you where the problem is. Just put the screws back one at
a time and check resistance after each one.
Good Luck

Jeff "speedcrazed"

> I got happy too quick. It's not working again. I put in 2 screws -
worked
> fine. Put in a 3rd, it stopped working. Ok...took that***back out -
> nothing. Took the OTHER 2 out - nothing. WTF?!? This thing is about to
go
> out the window... >:-[

> Eldred
> --
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> Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:30:12

"EldredP> I got happy too quick. It's not working again. I put in 2
screws - worked
i have just two words for you E. Duct Tape.(aka 200mph tape) lose the
screws and
tape the mb to your case...:>
dave henrie

by **Don Schwart** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:04:30

The way I get around the shorted mounting screws when assembling systems is
to put clear fingernail polish around the mounting holes on the board.
Don

> >What motherboard do you have? I know on my abit kt7a raid if you don't
have
> >the cpu fan plugged into fan header 1 on the motherboard the system will
> >shut itself off after 3 or 4 seconds to prevent damage to the cpu. What
are
> >the exact system specs you are trying to put together? This will greatly
> >help people who are trying to diagnose your problem.Hope this helps. Good
> >luck.
> > Doug

> AZ11 mobo, Athlon 1.1G, Voodoo 5, 128MB. The CPU fan is plugged in
correctly,
> and it *is* spinning....
> <checks a few more things...>

> Hmm...I just pulled all the screws out of the motherboard as Don
suggested, and
> disconnected all drive cables. I have a startup screen now. Ok, so the
mobo
> and CPU *do* work(whew...). Now I just have to figure out what was
> shorted/connected wrong...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:10:18

>I would be willing to bet if you placed fiber washers under the heads of the
>screws holding the MB it will solve your problem. It is a grounding problem
>that is seen on ABIT boards.

I already used the washers under the***heads. I had that from the start.
But, the problem even occurs with NO screws in the board.

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:10:18

>One problem I had with my KT7A and 1.2 AMD was that a fan *had* to be
>installed
>on FAN1 or the thing refused to boot. I had an awesome fan, but it was hooked
>directly to the power supply.

There's a connection for the CPU fan(which is plugged in). There's another
connection for a seperate fan, but that's marked 'optional'.

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:10:19

It seems like it would be difficult to put the washers UNDER the motherboard.
I mean, it would easy to place the washers on the pillars, but when you install
the board, you'll knock them off... :(
But, this and the posts from Jeff and Dave gave me an idea of something to try.
Thanks.

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:10:19

>"EldredP> I got happy too quick. It's not working again. I put in 2
>screws - worked
>> fine. Put in a 3rd, it stopped working.
> i have just two words for you E. Duct Tape.(aka 200mph tape) lose the
>screws and
>tape the mb to your case...:>

Hmmm...that gives me an 'idear'...<g>

Eldred
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by **Jagg** » Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:13:25

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:04:30 GMT, "Don Schwartz"

>The way I get around the shorted mounting screws when assembling systems is
>to put clear fingernail polish around the mounting holes on the board.
>Don

Most motherboards come with those ring thingies for that purpose (look
like paper ring binder reinforcements).

by **Eldre** » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:14:11

>I've just assembled my system. The motherboard had mounting holes that were
>obviously earthing points, so I put in a pillar and a***into the case.
>It had other mounting points that weren't obvious earthing points, so in
>these I put the plastic pillars supplied with the case. These were just
>supports.

>Maybe you're screwing the wrong hole! :-)

Hehe...no comment... :)

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:14:11

>The way I get around the shorted mounting screws when assembling systems is
>to put clear fingernail polish around the mounting holes on the board.
>Don

That's a good idea! It won't affect anything on the board? Hmm...now I just
have to find some fingernail polish(I'm not married<g>).

Eldred
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by **Don Schwart** » Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:28:45

<snip>
"> That's a good idea! It won't affect anything on the board?

It's worked for me on a couple of occasions when I built systems based on
the Fic Va-503+ boards which are notourious for shorting out on the mounting
screws. The way I test for this problem is to set the board in the case
with the antistatic bag under the board so it can't ground to the chassis, I
then plug in the floppie drive, hard drive,memory, cpu and a video card and
power the system up. If it runs like this then it's a mounting short and I
break out the nail polish. As always "your mileage may vary"
Don

by **Eldre** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 05:01:40

>I also had problems with mine and it turned out the ram was not compatible.
>It did however beep. I also had a problem when the cpu was not fully
>seated. What you should do is remove everything including ram and cpu and
>powerup and watch its behaviour. If the cpu fans, hds and lights turn on
>and it beeps the mobo is probably ok. Triple check your jumper settings
>etc, and plug one thing in at a time. You may need to swap parts especially
>ram with other machines to find compatible parts.

Well, I tried to insulate the pylons that the mobo rests on. No difference. I
tried another memory module, no good. Both modules I tried work on other
systems. The power supply fan comes on, and the fans on the V5 come on(which
also works in another system). Maybe it's a bad CPU... :(
Problem is, to get the CPU out, I'm have to rip the heat sink/fan off it. It
covers the release lever when it's in place. That's a shitty design, if you
ask me... Grrr...

Eldred
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